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Biggest change to Test cricket in history?
Discussion started by Frome Exile , 10 April, 2014 12:57
Biggest change to Test cricket in history?
Frome Exile 10 April, 2014 12:57
The closed shop is over!

The ICC have approved (from 2018) a mechanism for effective promotion/relegation from Test status.
The winners of the ICC Intercontinental Trophy (for Associate members) will play off (2x 5-day at home and 2x 5-day away) against the lowest-ranked Test nation for a place in the ensuing 4-year Test cycle.

Re: Biggest change to Test cricket in history?
Clarence Parker 10 April, 2014 15:01
I wonder whether the Associate's financial viability or staging facilities etc. will be taken into account before they are able to be granted Test Match status?

Re: Biggest change to Test cricket in history?
Railboy 10 April, 2014 21:21
Felt for ages that there are too many "meaningless" Test matches. Lesser sides and smaller nations always have a chance of an upset in a limited overs match but over 5 days far too many games are utterly predictable.

Why not go the whole hog and have a 2 division Test Championship, played over 3 or 4 years with promotion and relegation at the end. Maybe even a 3rd division to give the associates real chance of progression. Every test then becomes important and therefore more attractive to spectators. I realise this may mean the end of The Ashes as we know it but i think that is being overplayed so much at the moment that it will run out of steam soon anyway.

Re: Biggest change to Test cricket in history?
Clarence Parker 10 April, 2014 22:35
The Ashes have been contested for over 130 years, and I must confess to not having noticed that the series are showing any signs of "running out of steam."

And frankly, I hope that they never do.

Re: Biggest change to Test cricket in history?
AGod 11 April, 2014 09:04
There was altogether too much steam in this winter's proceedings.

Re: Biggest change to Test cricket in history?
cricketjerry-mouse 11 April, 2014 12:43
I wonder whether other Irish players who have jumped ship only to experience mixed success with England - Morgan, Rankin and Joyce come to mind - will seek to return to the ranks now Test cricket is a possibilty.

Joyce has already done so, of course, but it may also make players even mentioned as England possibles in the long term, such as Dockrell and Stirling, think twice.

Re: Biggest change to Test cricket in history?
Frome Exile 11 April, 2014 12:53
If it means Dockerell decides to stay Irish, I presume it would mean we are more likely to see more of him in the next two to three years, but that he would become "overseas" fairly immediately should Ireland attain Test status.

I also wonder, only slightly seriously, whether Craig Kieswetter might say "stuff you England" in the hope of leading Scotland into the Test arena.

winking smiley

Re: Biggest change to Test cricket in history?
AGod 11 April, 2014 14:18
Can't imagine Morgan going back to Ireland, given that he is contracted, at considerable expense to the ECB, for short form international cricket.

Re: Biggest change to Test cricket in history?
Frome Exile 11 April, 2014 14:37
But will he be by 2018?

Edit: it is widely supposed that he forsook this year's IPL in a bid to play Test Cricket. If that foesn't happen by the end of this winter's tour, I reckon he'd still have time to requalify by 2018.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/04/2014 14:40 by Frome Exile.

Re: Biggest change to Test cricket in history?
Bagpuss 11 April, 2014 15:44
Even if Dockrell were to become one of Ireland's inaugural Test players he would play for Somerset as an EU citizen, not an overseas player.

Re: Biggest change to Test cricket in history?
Frome Exile 11 April, 2014 15:58
I thought that was only the case because Ireland is not a Test nation, which is why I presumed it would cease to be the case.

I suppose the parallel with Omari Banks is relevant here: he had played full internationals, but was not "overseas".



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/04/2014 16:02 by Frome Exile.

Re: Biggest change to Test cricket in history?
Bagpuss 11 April, 2014 18:29
I think the ECB may have to rewrite the rule book as it would be a situation without precident. I do think that if a player that represented Ireland in a Test were to become ineligible to play county cricket as a 'home' player then some players would seriously consider whether or not to represent their nation as their County contracts - their bread and butter - may be at risk. Four years of employment versus two tests home and away once every four years - if you manage to win the intercontinental cup in the next 4 year cycle.

Re: Biggest change to Test cricket in history?
AGod 11 April, 2014 19:46
Yes, I agree, Bagpuss.

Re: Biggest change to Test cricket in history?
Loyal of Lhasa. 11 April, 2014 20:14
Quote:
AGod
Can't imagine Morgan going back to Ireland, given that he is contracted, at considerable expense to the ECB, for short form international cricket.

Can't imagine the Irish selectors would consider him good enough for Test cricket...

Re: Biggest change to Test cricket in history?
AGod 11 April, 2014 20:19
Well, yes.

Re: Biggest change to Test cricket in history?
Frome Exile 11 April, 2014 22:45
Apologies if I've misread this, but I think that, uf successful in the play-off, we're talking about entry into the next full four year cycle of Test cricket, so it's potentially much more than two Tests, home and away, every four years.

Re: Biggest change to Test cricket in history?
Bagpuss 12 April, 2014 15:46
Without the protection of the old ICC Future Tours Programme there is no compulsion for any of the current Test playing nations to play the newcomers though, and with most national boards having already arranged legally binding bilateral tours amongst themselves there will be few spaces in the schedule for tours to be included.

Re: Biggest change to Test cricket in history?
Frome Exile 12 April, 2014 16:19
Ah yes. You're right, of course.

winking smiley

Re: Biggest change to Test cricket in history?
57deacon 16 April, 2014 20:32
This is a very interesting thread which prompted me to bowl the googly in the corridors of power at HQ. The answer is not immediately clear and has been metaphorically referred to the 3rd umpire who in this instance will reside somewhere in the ICC. It would be their rules which would be sovereign.

The issue of a player's security is one which would lie at the heart of this issue which in turn raises other questions. Could the newly "promoted" Country match the economic security provided to a player provided by his County? The answer to this raises yet more questions of course.

Sorry I can't be clearer but I think you've put your finger on an issue which will require considerable thought by the ICC.

Re: Biggest change to Test cricket in history?
Frome Exile 16 April, 2014 21:22
How fascinating.
Thank you for your post, 57deacon. It is very generous of you to admit that a few humble web posters had thought of an issue before the "powers that be" did. I am sure that many in your position would not be so magnanamous.


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