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MESSAGES->author
Re: Matt Maynard leaving Somerset
Grockle (IP Logged)
06 October, 2017 11:40
True. I hope he hasn't given up on the game at that level. In the 2016 seasonn his batting and his enthusiasm helped us out of a scrape or two. Who knows, had Steve D's 4 day form not hit a brick wall he may have got some one day games and got his foot in.

Local potential tends to trump incoming potential unless you are wearing the shirt and someone needs to knock you out of the position.

But just because it didn't happen here doesn't mean it can't.



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Railboy
Re: Matt Maynard leaving Somerset
Railboy (IP Logged)
06 October, 2017 11:41
When Ryan eventually was brought in last season he was bizarrely asked to open the batting at 10.30 on a steamy morning and greasy wicket against (if I recall) Fidel Edwards and Kyle Abbott. That evidence was then used as some sort of “told you so”.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Matt Maynard leaving Somerset
Grockle (IP Logged)
06 October, 2017 11:44
He was a little on the niaive side to start with which certainly suggested a level of inexperience.



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Roger ivanhoe
Re: Matt Maynard leaving Somerset
Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
06 October, 2017 13:13
I would also add a lack of Maturity to your posting Grockle.

Pity really I thought he had plenty of potential, but comments he made to members at a couple of functions, showed he was not willing to learn from his superiors.

 
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Re: Matt Maynard leaving Somerset
Grockle (IP Logged)
06 October, 2017 13:16
Wouldn't know about that Roger but if true it's not recipe for success and progress I suppose. Maybe a few lessons learned this season though.



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AGod
Re: Matt Maynard leaving Somerset
AGod (IP Logged)
06 October, 2017 13:56
Quite right, SP, about S Davies/Bates.

And yes, Railboy, MM's decision to suddenly plunge RD into opening in that game vs Hants was:

a) Bizarre in the extreme.

b) A wholly predictable failure.

 
Bagpuss
Re: Matt Maynard leaving Somerset
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
06 October, 2017 17:11
SP if Steven Davies had wanted to bat 5 and not keep wicket he probably wouldn't have moved from Surrey

 
Shepton Paul 2
Re: Matt Maynard leaving Somerset
Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
06 October, 2017 17:16
Fair point Baggy...

 
Slow Left Chinaman
Re: Matt Maynard leaving Somerset
Slow Left Chinaman (IP Logged)
06 October, 2017 18:41
Ryan Davies opening in that one game was due to a last minute injury, not some weird Maynardian conspiracy that he should be blamed for.

 
Nailsea_Fizz
Re: Matt Maynard leaving Somerset
Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
06 October, 2017 18:49
And the man has left the building

 
cricketharris
Re: Matt Maynard leaving Somerset
cricketharris (IP Logged)
06 October, 2017 19:18
I read that Hurry won't be taking up his post until January so I hope that doesn't mean we miss any boats regarding available players from elsewhere. (And I hope the photograph of him on the SCCC website will be the last we see of him in shorts and sports shirt. We will not need another coach).

 
AGod
Re: Matt Maynard leaving Somerset
AGod (IP Logged)
06 October, 2017 19:41
No, SLC, a 'last minute injury,' does not justify Ryan Davies opening UNLESS he was the most qualified player to do so. He was not.

 
Slow Left Chinaman
Re: Matt Maynard leaving Somerset
Slow Left Chinaman (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 08:35
My point was that it wasn't some crazy plan and then used as some kind of "I told you so" evidence against Ryan as Railboy said.

Steve Davies pulled up injured in the warm ups, and rather than rejig the whole team, he not unreasonably felt that it was better to play one person out of position, that move everyone.

 
AGod
Re: Matt Maynard leaving Somerset
AGod (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 13:08
I guess 'not unreasonably,' is open to interpretation.

S Davies was injured. I assume his opening partner was Jim Allenby. Peter Trego was in the team and has opened on various occasions before in white ball cricket - he could have opened. Wasn't Dean Elgar still in the team at that juncture? He, most certainly, would have had a better shot against the likes of Fidel Edwards, first up, than Ryan Davies would.


But, to be honest, any specialist batsman would have been a better call vs Edwards with the new ball than opening up with Ryan D.

Edited to add that I've found the scorecard:

[www.espncricinfo.com]

Adam Hose played in this match - he had opened in this competition the previous season - how can he not have been a more sensible choice than Ryan D?



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MESSAGES->author
Re: Matt Maynard leaving Somerset
Grockle (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 13:50
Well lets all have a massive post chain to analyse it shall we?

Probably not a great decision but one done in haste and as such should nit have been held against the young man or decided the view of his batting for the rest of his time with us.

It's a bit like MM's decision to play him at the start if his Somerset career. Not exactly something Ryan had any great say in I wouldn't think. But something brought up here regularly whenever asessing the ability of the young keeper.



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Slow Left Chinaman
Re: Matt Maynard leaving Somerset
Slow Left Chinaman (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 19:28
Well, I expect the plan was to have Steve Davies go really hard at the start (as it was, it was hard to tell as he was in such poor form), so swapping for Elgar would've changed the way the team played.

Hose was a proven failure as an opener, and doing well at 5/6, so you wouldn't want to move him for that reason.

Trego would've been the other option to open, but then that would mean moving everyone else up one spot, so changing most of the team. Or just give Ryan Davies the chance to be aggressive at the start, in the knowledge you have a reasonably long order behind him.

Obviously it didn't work, but

a) it was a last minute plan, presumably done to minimise distruption
b) I really don't think it was held against Ryan afterwards, if anything he'd have got credit for being flexible for the benefit of the team, instead of insisting on coming in against an old ball

 
Tom Seymour
Re: Matt Maynard leaving Somerset
Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 21:18
Well both Maynard and Ryan Davies have left the club, and quite frankly are best forgotten.



A glass half - empty or a glass half - full?
Regardless, both glasses need filling up.

 
AGod
Re: Matt Maynard leaving Somerset
AGod (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 23:56
Grockle - yes, ageee completely - clearly not RD's own decision.

 
AGod
Re: Matt Maynard leaving Somerset
AGod (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 23:58
SLC - on what basis was Adam Hose 'a proven failure as an opener,'?

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Matt Maynard leaving Somerset
Grockle (IP Logged)
08 October, 2017 03:04
We'll see whether you follow your own advice about one of those 2 over the coming months Tom.



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Tom Seymour
Re: Matt Maynard leaving Somerset
Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
08 October, 2017 09:23
Ryan Davies will never be mentioned by me on here again.

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A glass half - empty or a glass half - full?
Regardless, both glasses need filling up.

 
Slow Left Chinaman
Re: Matt Maynard leaving Somerset
Slow Left Chinaman (IP Logged)
08 October, 2017 10:24
Quote:
on what basis was Adam Hose 'a proven failure as an opener,'?


Well his poor batting while opening for us in previous years would be my main guide to that.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Matt Maynard leaving Somerset
Grockle (IP Logged)
08 October, 2017 14:03
He's hoping to open for Warks in one day games next year I assume.



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rodders12
Re: Matt Maynard leaving Somerset
rodders (IP Logged)
08 October, 2017 16:59
Well I managed to live through another season - strange one really - never likely to win anything and relegation looked very likely and the fact we stayed up was largely due to good fortune in my view but that is OK because if you go down that is often due to mis fortune !
Still think some poor decisions were made upstairs and very glad to see the back of MM as I have always thought it was a bad choice. God willing I will still be here next year and still able to post and still living in hope !!
Odd though is it not - how often the previous years champions get relegated the next season - anyone out there care to rationalise why this is - beyond me I admit !

 
AGod
Re: Matt Maynard leaving Somerset
AGod (IP Logged)
08 October, 2017 17:33
But Hose wasn't 'poor,' SLC - as I recall he did reasonably well last season when opening (or rather the season before last as 2016 now is).



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Farmer White
Re: Matt Maynard leaving Somerset
Farmer White (IP Logged)
08 October, 2017 17:55
Rodders

It has happened four times in the 18 years of two divisions. Yorkshire won in 2001 relegated 2002 (along with Somerset who came second in 2001). Nottinghamshire won in 2005 relegated 2006. Lancashire won in 2011 relegated 2012. Middlesex won 2016 relegated 2017 (subject to any change in deducted points). Of those Nottinghamshire and Lancashire came back up the season after they were relegated.

As to reasons. No reasons only guesses. It is a very volatile division. Somerset are now the only team to have been continuously in it since 2012. The top three teams in 2012 were Warwickshire, Somerset and Middlesex so even those that have stuck around with us have gone. Probably by the law of averages a division that volatile is from time to time going to cull the Champions. It happens on average every four and a half years. That was exactly the average time a team in a two down nine team division could expect to last.

In terms of volatility the top team last year was relegated this year whilst second and third last year, Somerset and Yorkshire came within two and three points respectively of being relegated this year.

May you see us win the thing next year.

Farmer

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Matt Maynard leaving Somerset
Grockle (IP Logged)
08 October, 2017 17:57
Yep last time we eent down was with the Champs of the year before. First and 2nd relegated that season.



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cricketjerry-mouse
Re: Matt Maynard leaving Somerset
cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
10 October, 2017 07:21
Teams that win the championship tend to have a fair proportion of experienced senior players around about the height of their power (see Cook, ten Doeschate, Bopara, Foster at Essex this season).

The following year they have just begun the downward spiral, but management fail to recognize this. Along with reward for the previous year`s championship win, they stick with the `old guard` far too long and only begin to bring in new young talent when it is too late.

Viz: Middlesex this year (Compton, Voges, Franklin,Robson, Murtagh, etc); and Lancashire in 2012 (Horton, Moore, Chapple, Brown, Procter, Hogg et al).)

 
That Bloke With The Dog
Re: Matt Maynard leaving Somerset
10 October, 2017 14:07
Very hard to bring in new, younger players, if the team is winning.

In 12 months' time we may look back on this season as a highly successful one. Whether through choice or otherwise, Maynard managed to battle-harden a whole host of players in their early twenties, and got away with it too (just about).

I'd be talking very differently if the end result had been relegation. But it wasn't, so I'm not.

This would be the first winter since the Rose/Hurry era when I can hardly wait to renew my Championship membership, rather than filling in the form out of a sense of duty almost.

 
Tom Seymour
Re: Matt Maynard leaving Somerset
Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
10 October, 2017 14:07
So why did we did the same (Trescothick, Trego, Hildreth, Abell etc) when we hadn't won the Championship?

Answers on the back of a postage stamp to Andy Hurry please.



A glass half - empty or a glass half - full?
Regardless, both glasses need filling up.

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