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AGod
Re: Member's lunch Q&A with Lee Cooper
AGod (IP Logged)
13 October, 2017 09:44
Love the audience reaction when LC predicted (correctly in my view) that we will see an even shorter game than T20, before long.

I personally have always thought that it is likely that that T20 type stuff will evolve into a baseball type format - where you can have a batting team and a bowling/fielding team.. why? Because then a batting team could keep the pedal to the metal throughout the innings... the ECB and Sky don't want T20 games where a team is 20-4 after six overs and then has to consolidate for the next 8 overs.

 
AGod
Re: Member's lunch Q&A with Lee Cooper
AGod (IP Logged)
13 October, 2017 09:48
Mr Cooper actually says, clearly, that what Maynard proposed was to play in the West Indies domestic 50 over competition - in other words real, competitive cricket.

I really do think that that would have been a good idea rather than friendlies. So what if it would also have been a nice place to visit?

OUr players know what English conditions are like. They wouldn't forget what they are like because they were playing competitive cricket in the West Indies.

I am far from convinced that a marquee will be any good - for example, what will that do for the 'overhead,' conditions.. I'd guess the ball might swing like a banana!?

 
Bagpuss
Re: Member's lunch Q&A with Lee Cooper
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
13 October, 2017 15:09
Other counties have used marquees for preseason training fo a whle now - Surrey and Middlesex for three of four years, also Glamorgan, Gloucestershire and Derbyshire, maybe others.

My concern would be what it will do to the outfield - we only have a small playing area compared to say Surrey and it is at a fairly crucial time of year for new growth of grass. I guess since it is a system thet has been used elsewhere there is information on how to negate the effects of low light levels

 
Bagpuss
Re: Member's lunch Q&A with Lee Cooper
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
13 October, 2017 15:33
As for the floodlights, I'm all for embracing new technology, but I'd like to know that even if it's the preferred lighting for broadcasters that it is also the preferred lighting for cricketers! (and maybe for cricket spectators actually at the ground, although my experience around the world is that the people who actually go to the matches seem well down on the list of priorities for administrators).

There are no cricket grounds in the UK currently with LED floodlights. Are there anywhere else in the world? LED works wonderfully for football (Stamford Bridge and Southampton's ground have them) and other sports - some of the USA's NFL grounds have them. But we know for cricket floodlights have to illuminate to a higher level, plus all the work on creating the pink ball for day-night cricket has been done using old fashioned lighting systems.

Perhaps Somerset should include some preseason matches at Stamford Bridge to test the lighting out!

 
Mike BOS
Re: Member's lunch Q&A with Lee Cooper
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
13 October, 2017 15:43
Being that LED is a White light will I be able to see the ball better when the ball is hit into the air? the red ball maybe but what about a white ball?

The proof of the pudding ----

 
AGod
Re: Member's lunch Q&A with Lee Cooper
AGod (IP Logged)
13 October, 2017 16:05
Bagpuss - suspect that if our floodlights were a world first, then Mr Cooper would not have been shy in saying so.

 
Wickham
Re: Member's lunch Q&A with Lee Cooper
Wickham (IP Logged)
14 October, 2017 09:26
Many thanks, Rob and Grizzz. I have now viewed the recording (which, of itself, was evidence of LC's commitment to transparency) and was very impressed by LC. His responses were thoughtful and clear, his views were incisive and uncluttered and he displayed a very good grip of the issues, bearing in mind that he has only recently taken up post. He is clearly a good communicator and I feel that he will be a good leader and manager.

These are only first impressions, of course. But so far, so very good.

 
Sloop John B
Re: Member's lunch Q&A with Lee Cooper
Sloop John B (IP Logged)
14 October, 2017 09:31
I was present Wickham and asked the batting/bowling coach question. We were all impressed with LC and his candour. He is principally a Somerset fan like us and an effective businessman to boot. Folk left optimistic for the future.

 
wsm fan
Re: Member's lunch Q&A with Lee Cooper
wsm fan (IP Logged)
14 October, 2017 09:38
Wickham. Spot on as always.
Cooper is 1 impressive individual.
Lots of talking so far and admisdion of past errors. Proof now will.be in action.
But he has already signed up the Overtons. Sacked! Matt, appointed Andy & Jason.
He speaks with passion and as a real fan.
He even made a comment at Weston agm if it was a choice between securing a top overseas and him getting paid he'd go for the former, possibly a little tounge in cheek but was making his point.
I believe his passion. He is a fan first. He wants us to win trophies 1st. 2nd isnt enough. He was very clear surviving this season was still failiure, we had a poor season.
I'm always glass half full but hugely positive for the coming years.
The bowling attack of Craig Jack Lewis Jamie Dom could be special in the next 2 or 3 years.
I'll bet my house that Hildy SD Tom Eddie all score more runs next season than they did this. Plus our number 3 spot cant possibly be more unproductive!
Craig & Jamie being called up could hurt us, less so Jack as he has been deemed too good to play for England.....



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Tom Seymour
Re: Member's lunch Q&A with Lee Cooper
Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
15 October, 2017 13:02
I watched some of the Q & A session via the link provided.

Mr Cooper speaks a good number, that's for sure, and I am sure he will do well at our club.

What I was slightly disappointed in was his statement that, had we known beforehand that we would have needed more points to escape relegation, we would have prepared a different pitch and gone on to score 300 + runs.

Not only does it come across to a casual observer as being somewhat arrogant, it is folly on two counts.

Firstly, would we have scored 300 + runs especially when our batting has been mainly abysmal all season? Secondly, we would still have had to win the match, and if a motorway pitch had been prepared there would have been a stronger chance that the match would have petered out into an inevitable draw. That would have suited Middlesex.

One would expect our C E O to stand up and fight for the rights of our club, but when his statements are broadcast to a wider audience than just our members, it could be argued that words need to be chosen very carefully.



A glass half - empty or a glass half - full?
Regardless, both glasses need filling up.

 
AGod
Re: Member's lunch Q&A with Lee Cooper
AGod (IP Logged)
15 October, 2017 13:36
Mr Cooper's maths was wrong anyway - we would have needed only one extra point if we went on to win the match and, if we failed to win the match, then no amount of batting points would have made a lick of difference.

 
Roger ivanhoe
Re: Member's lunch Q&A with Lee Cooper
Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
15 October, 2017 15:14
Tom, a few senior officials at Middlesex are guilty of not choosing their words very well.(Sm128)

 
Tom Seymour
Re: Member's lunch Q&A with Lee Cooper
Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
15 October, 2017 16:17
I would agree with that Roger, but let us not set them up as an example to be followed, and I say that as being a former member of Middlesex.

After all, two wrongs don't make a right, in my book anyway.



A glass half - empty or a glass half - full?
Regardless, both glasses need filling up.

 
DeanSwift
Somerset could still be relegated
DeanSwift (IP Logged)
11 October, 2017 15:30
Angus Fraser and Andrew Strauss conspiring to relegate us

It's an ECB stitch up

[www.espn.com]

 
Mike BOS
Re: Somerset could still be relegated
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
11 October, 2017 15:39
Already talk about on another thread. [www.cricketnetwork.co.uk]

 
chunkyinargyll
Re: Somerset could still be relegated
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
11 October, 2017 16:05
It's not going to happen- but it will be fun watching you all panic for a week.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Somerset could still be relegated
Grockle (IP Logged)
11 October, 2017 16:12
Will it be Chunky?

Is that how you intend to look at it from that high semi superior saddle you have been sitting on for weeks?



(Sm72)

 
chunkyinargyll
Re: Somerset could still be relegated
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
11 October, 2017 16:15
Yes, it is Grockle.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Somerset could still be relegated
Grockle (IP Logged)
11 October, 2017 16:24
Oh dear.... hope the view doesn't upset you rather than amuse you over the next few weeks.

'How the Mighty are fallen' comes to mind.....

What to do if nepotism doesn't work.... maybe we'll see and maybe we won't.

I'm going to merge these threads unless someone thinks we need a shorter one in which case I'll close 'rooting' and make this the main one for Chunky's lots attempt to circumvent the rules.

Let me know what you want.

If Middlesex win can we circumvent the rules and appeal? (Tic)



(Sm72)

 
Loyal of Lhasa
Re: Somerset could still be relegated
Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
11 October, 2017 16:37
Let this be the thread for this matter. It is a discrete issue and should be kept that way. Middlesex's appeal has nothing to do with what happened at Taunton later in the month and they will weaken their case if they try to introduce their concerns about that match.

If Middlesex win their appeal, then it will be for SCCC to decide whether to go to court, solely on the issue of the points target they thought they had to reach at the start of the match.

Fraser's reaction is a third issue, on which SCCC may choose to act if all else fails.



LoL

Seventy Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
chunkyinargyll
Re: Somerset could still be relegated
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
11 October, 2017 16:44
To be serious, I really can't see anyway Somerset will be relegated, as that would indeed be unfair.

The only possibility in town is the compromise 9 teams per division suggestion.

Middlesex Do have a valid point (although it should not adversely affect Somerset).

How would a team react if they were 120-2, needing 20 more to win, if criminal behaviour ended a match 25 overs early?

Presumably they would NOT be okay about it, and say, 'It's no different to a thunderstorm, It's just one of those things'.

Therefore, Middlesex entitled to appeal.

The verdict will be whatever it is.

 
scrmpywasp
Re: Somerset could still be relegated
scrmpywasp (IP Logged)
11 October, 2017 17:18
Ok I have to ask this question. Middlesex only had a lead of 181 when the arrrow landed and the game called off. If Middlesex intended to declare shortly and bowl to make up the shortfall in overs they would have had to bowl spin and Surrey would have had at least 20 - 25 overs to get the runs. That would have threatened a possible defeat as it puts it in 20/20 territory which I am sure Middlesex would not have entertained. Is this idea misplaced or inaccurate? I feel sorry for Middlesex but in reality they appear not to be honest in what they would actually have done? So if this scenario is correct then it has to be considered in any deliberation by the cDC as well.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Somerset could still be relegated
Grockle (IP Logged)
11 October, 2017 17:19
An unfortunate storm is not the point. Being behind the required over rate when it hits IS THE POINT.

Nicking money from the till that you were going to put back before the end of the shift is still nicking money if the shift ends unexpectedly early before you do.



(Sm72)

 
chunkyinargyll
Re: Somerset could still be relegated
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
11 October, 2017 17:27
Scrumpywasp-

No- it wouldn't because boundaries are longer, and no fielding restrictions.

Middlesex still had 3 wickets in hand- so would have batted on a little longer to set Surrey over 200 in about 15 overs- not doable in a championship match.

The ECB never overruled the umpires promise to sort it out. It's just umpires forgot, and ECB stance was effectively, 'We're really sorry, but once signed by umpires, it can't be altered'.

Middlesex did appeal at time, and after 5 days were told, 'No further right of appeal' That's not the same thing as accepting what ECB said though- it's just at that stage there was no point taking it further. Now it has become very relevant Middlesex entitled to appeal again (otherwise why are ECB allowing it?)

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Somerset could still be relegated
Grockle (IP Logged)
11 October, 2017 17:31
Yes we are all wondering why the ECB are allowing it.... along with quite a lot of the cricket media it seems.



(Sm72)

 
Grizzzly
Re: Somerset could still be relegated
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
11 October, 2017 18:27
Can you imagine relegation from the Footy Premiership being dealt with like this ?

Two weeks after let's say Liverpool have been relegated, they make a back door appeal to the powers that be, asking for a point back which they claim they lost due to spurious circumstances surrounding a game which ended early for unforseen reasons. And the other Club impacted, let's say Man. City, stand to be relegated instead if the Liverpool points are 'reinstated'.

The appeal is then referred to a committee no-one has ever heard of, without any comment from the Premier League, who instead allow the story to drift out through media back channels.

The unknown person/body then unilaterally decides the fate of the two Clubs concerned. This is done without prior official announcement, out of public sight, without public scrutiny & in a manner about as transparent as a lump of coal.

Can you imagine the outcry ? Resignations, "national disgrace" headlines in the papers etc..

With cricket however, it appears this is the new normal.

Just plain madness.

Grizzzly



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Slow Left Chinaman
Re: Somerset could still be relegated
Slow Left Chinaman (IP Logged)
11 October, 2017 18:42
It seems a bit desperate to me to hang everything on a very vague statement of "we'll sort it". That's hardly "we'll give you a cast iron guarantee that there won't be a points deduction".

The umpires don't have the power to arbitrarily decide not to enforce rules like that, so of course they can be overruled by the ECB.

 
sfwithers
Re: Somerset could still be relegated
sfwithers (IP Logged)
11 October, 2017 18:49
SLA, that may have been the case prior to the Som v Middx match starting, but by the ECB's own rules (as was pointed out earlier) by the time that match started everything had to have been decided. The ECB really have made/are making a complete dog's dinner of this.

 
Somerset LaLaLa
Re: Somerset could still be relegated
Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
11 October, 2017 19:37
Read this aloud to yourself and listen with your listening ears -

Somerset cannot still be relegated.

The last round of games would have been played differently for which the over rate appeal must have been resolved beforehand.

Baloney

And Middlesex ought to be ashamed of themselves

 
Tom Seymour
Re: Somerset could still be relegated
Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
11 October, 2017 19:45
Somerset should not comment on Middlesex’s appeal because at present it is nothing to do with them.

I have been a member of Somerset for decades and up until 2016 I was also a member of Middlesex, but it would be a travesty of justice should the E C B reinstate the 2 points deduction to Middlesex and conclude that Somerset would be relegated instead.

The barrack room lawyers on here can speculate till the cows come home over Middlesex’s right to appeal etc., but it will not make a blind bit of difference.

We will be playing in Division 1 next year, though I confess to thinking at the beginning of last month that our record on the field of play suggested that we would not. Happy to say I got that wrong, along with a number of others.

The E C B has been much maligned on here; there have been many conspiracy theories etc. but even a sporting body such as this will sort the wheat from the chaff on this particular point.

All is well. Don’t lose any sleep over it.

Thomas Seymour.

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