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Mike BOS
The season starts with friendly matches.
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
18 March, 2017 08:25
Well it's about to start.

With Somerset v Gloucester friendly starting a three day match on Sunday 19th of March.

I hope to be there to take photos, how much I am there depends the weather, in the last few days the winds have been so bitterly cold. I don't want to start the new season with frost bite.

 
Roger ivanhoe
Re: The season starts with friendly matches.
Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
18 March, 2017 11:49
Mike, do you know if the St James Car Park and entrance will be open ?

 
Mike BOS
Re: The season starts with friendly matches.
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
18 March, 2017 12:25
Not the St James Street entrance for cars, providing there are spaces you can enter by Priory Bridge Road entrance and drive through to the car park.

Even though the new gates are up there is a small wall being built and there is still the ground work around the gates to be done.

 
Roger ivanhoe
Re: The season starts with friendly matches.
Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
18 March, 2017 13:50
Many thanks Mike.

 
Clarence Parker
Re: The season starts with friendly matches.
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
18 March, 2017 13:53
What happened to the J C White gates? I'm sure many people will say J C Who?

 
Farmer White
Re: The season starts with friendly matches.
Farmer White (IP Logged)
18 March, 2017 14:11
Clarence

When it was announced the work on the St James' St. entrance was due to start I e-mailed the club to suggest the 'JCW' circle in the centre of each gate might be removed and placed in the museum. I received this reply which I have cut and pasted from the e mail I received:

"Unfortunately the JCW gates are being removed as work needs to be completed to widen the entrance to allow for lorries to enter the ground ahead of our International matches.

We do however appreciate the importance of these gates and they will therefore be stored until such time we can re-incorporate them back into the Ground."

Also, in the Autumn, I spoke to Guy Lavender in the Stragglers about the plans and he assured me the new gates would be branded the JCW gates. He was as good as his word. They have a large central circle emblazoned with the club's wyvern logo with 'JCW' at the centre of it. It is a bit bright for my liking but no-one will miss it!


Farmer



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 18/03/2017 14:23 by Farmer White.

 
Bobstan
Re: The season starts with friendly matches.
Bobstan (IP Logged)
18 March, 2017 14:34
I'm a little disappointed with Farmer White's reply to you, CP.
I was hoping he would say 'J C Who?'

 
Bagpuss
Re: The season starts with friendly matches.
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
18 March, 2017 15:03
Trescothick
Bartlett
Abell (c)
Hildreth
Davies (w)
Trego
Allenby
vd Merwe
Davey
Bess
J Overton
v Meekeren
Hose

 
Clarence Parker
Re: The season starts with friendly matches.
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
18 March, 2017 15:31
Thank you Farmer for that information.

I sincerely hope that the new gates are emblazoned with the club's Dragon logo with 'JCW' at the centre of the circle, and not a Wyvern.

 
Mike BOS
Re: The season starts with friendly matches.
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
18 March, 2017 17:17
Taken today

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/Ground%20redevelopment%20all%20years/New%20JCW%20gates.jpg

The gates are the same both sides.

 
Farmer White
Re: The season starts with friendly matches.
Farmer White (IP Logged)
19 March, 2017 00:36
Clarence

As you can see from Mike's photo the emblem on the new JCW gates is the four legged dragonian version. The question though for me is: when is a dragon not a dragon? Answer: When it is a Wyvern.

To me, throughout my whole existence, our emblem has always been The Wyvern. Now you tell me it is a dragon. Oh shatterer of dreams! A Wyvernless Somerset. This cannot be. Are you by any chance the person who spread the rumour that Santa Claus does not exist? How are we to survive without the comfort of our illusions?

And so in an attempt to put my Wyvernical illusion back together I have investigated this. Every heraldic authority and every expert in myth and legend I can find tells me: if it has four legs it is a dragon. But I say: who are they to tell us what to call our Wyvern?

Holding tight to my dream I have sought the opinion of a higher authority than mere experts. On page 259 of his book, 'A Year in the Life of Somerset CCC' Andy Nash refers to 'our wyvern'. Further he says Lansdown CC 'maintain our wyvern is a descendant of their griffin.' Now, Lansdown CC adopted the griffin as their emblem in 1825 well before Somerset CCC was formed and even longer before any of us were born so who are we to argue with them. It is a Wyvern.

And then I referred to the greatest authority of all. Tractor, on his website, once dealt with any possibility of confusion between a Somerset and a Yorkshire player with the following statement: 'To clear up any confusion our MJ Wood wears the Somerset Wyvern motif on his front, Yorkshire's MJ Wood doesn't.'

King Alfred's Wessex had as its national emblem the Wyvern not the dragon. If the Wyvern was good enough for King Alfred it is surely good enough for us. It is true King Alfred's Wyvern only had two legs and was supported by its tail. But then for much of last season so was our batting. And what are a couple of extra short legs between friends? It is a Wyvern.

I think then the question is not: is our Wyvern a dragon but rather when did King Alfred's Wyvern acquire two extra legs? Perhaps Lansdown CC and their griffin are to blame, though they can be forgiven all for looking after Hallam Moseley and Viv Richards so well whilst they were qualifying to wear the Wyvern.

The Somerset Wyverns presumably knew a thing or two when they named themselves. They must have been purists though for their tie had the King Alfred two legged version of the Wyvern as its crest. Geoffrey Archer became their President in the 1980s so I assume he too knew his Wyverns from his dragons. It is a Wyvern.

There are other pointers too. Peter Trego attended the Wyvern School in Weston and he came out rock solid Somerset without a dragon in sight. And then there is the Club's investment in the future. Under-19 members are known as Wyverns. They will know our Wyvern for a Wyvern when they see it for the rest of their days.

Our Wyvern is safe. My illusion is rebuilt. Or it will be when the new scoreboard fails on its first morning.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 19/03/2017 00:49 by Farmer White.

 
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Re: The season starts with friendly matches.
Grockle (IP Logged)
19 March, 2017 10:15
I think a Wyvern does not have back legs - more of a fishy type thing and spiky tail?.



(Sm72)

 
Clarence Parker
Re: The season starts with friendly matches.
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
19 March, 2017 10:16
Farmer,

The subject of your last posting has been discussed repeatedly on here in the past.

The emblem of Somerset CCC, and indeed the county of Somerset is a Dragon.

Perhaps this helps: -

[britishcountyflags.wordpress.com]

But at the end of the day, you can believe whatever you will.

 
chunkyinargyll
Re: The season starts with friendly matches.
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
19 March, 2017 10:37
Dragons 4 legs- Wyverns 2

[sites.psu.edu]

 
Farmer White
Re: The season starts with friendly matches.
Farmer White (IP Logged)
19 March, 2017 10:37
Thank you Clarence.

Indeed that was one of the authorities I was referring to in my third papragraph. And indeed they refer to the emblem as a dragon.

But as you say, and especially where mythical creatures are concerned, we may believe what we will. And the whole point of myths and legends is to allow us to live in any illusory world we wish.

In my illusory world the Somerset emblem is a Wyvern, the sun always shines, the scoreboard remains stuck with our score at 300 for 3 and and we are perpetual County Champions. Long may it continue.


Farmer

 
Farmer White
Re: The season starts with friendly matches.
Farmer White (IP Logged)
19 March, 2017 10:41
Chunky

Should that not read Dragons 4 legs - Wyverns too? Tell me it is so.

And now I am off to the County Ground and the real world.

Farmer

 
chunkyinargyll
Re: The season starts with friendly matches.
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
19 March, 2017 10:46
Farmer- I always thought it was the Somerset Wyvern.

Looking at the emblem he is standing up- so that implies 2 arms, 2 legs- but, the sites I've looked at say a wyvern's two 'hands' are fused to the wings- which is clearly not the case on the emblem.

It is whatever you want it to be.

(Sm93)

Edit- site I linked to says it is front legs fused to the wings if it is a wyvern- so looks like it has to be a dragon.

But how an Somerset themselves refer to it as a wyvern, when the evidence suggests it isn't?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 19/03/2017 10:52 by chunkyinargyll.

 
Loyal of Lhasa
Re: The season starts with friendly matches.
Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
19 March, 2017 12:41
Was it not on Farmer White's very own farm that Orwell's animals were eventual told "Four Legs Good, Two Legs Better."

I used to run frequent training courses in East Africa, where one of the main suppliers of petrol was the Italian company Agip. Their symbol was a black dragon on a yellow background, boldly displayed at many filling stations. As an ice-breaker for the courses I would invite participants to divide into groups linked with the number of legs they thought the dragon had. Numbers varied from two to a dozen, revealing how we often fail to observe accurately what we see every day. Then for fun I would give them a second chance, having seen the composition of other groups. It was interesting how many would then move to the group of the most senior person in the room. There must be a moral in there somewhere...

(I'm in Farmer White's group, because it's his farm)



LoL

Seventy Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Bobstan
Re: The season starts with friendly matches.
Bobstan (IP Logged)
19 March, 2017 14:34
Quote:
chunkyinargyll
Dragons 4 legs- Wyverns 2 after extra time.
[sites.psu.edu]

 
Loyal of Lhasa
Re: The season starts with friendly matches.
Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
19 March, 2017 15:21
Good start for Trego and Davies S today. 48 of Trego's first fifty came in fours and he went on to make seventy.

Up to date coverage on the official site - much appreciated



LoL

Seventy Seasons a Somerset Supporter



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 19/03/2017 15:23 by Loyal of Lhasa.

 
Farmer White
Re: The season starts with friendly matches.
Farmer White (IP Logged)
19 March, 2017 18:59
Chunky, following the evidence is not to be advised. It leads you to conclusions whether you want to come to them or not.

LoL, I normally enjoy your contributions but we are having enough trouble here sorting out two and four legs without you bringing twelve into the equation. I can though state categorically I only have wyverns on my farm.

As to today's cricket, apart from a brief spell of sunshine, it was played in pretty miserable conditions including swirling cold mizzle for the last couple of hours. Trego's was a typically forceful knock at a very brisk pace. Some thunderous boundaries with two or three equally thunderous air shots without too much air between ball and bat. Davies, by comparison, looked solid but without the Trego comparison played pretty positively.

Hose avoided my scrutiny by getting out before I got there. Trescothick looked to be warming up nicely enough for me to risk moving my car into the ground and repaid my confidence by getting out before I got back to the ground. Tom Abell was becalmed for a long time on 16, got going again and then showed solidarity with Trescothick by getting out while I was behind the Somerset Pavilion on the way back to me seat. Hildreth flicked a six over a very short boundary into the Somerset Stand before being caught driving without the use of his feet. Rarely advisable in any form of driving. To my mind Bartlett played too often above his shoulders for safety and was caught trying it once too often as Gloucester seemed to feed him there. The ball seemed to be moving throughout the Somerset innings and the pitch looked pretty green.

Davey looked reasonably tight but not penetrating with the ball, Van Meekeren had some pace but didn't seem to trouble the batsmen in the gathering gloom.

Crowd a couple of hundred or so at lunch. Around forty at the close. Botham stand, top of the Somerset Pavilion and County Room terrace closed. Scoreboard became tired towards the end and struggled to keep up at times. Outfield looked as good as I have seen it.

Van Meekeren did not bat so presumably a thirteen aside eleven batting match.

Close: Somerset 268 all out. Gloucs 26-0.

 
Mike BOS
Re: The season starts with friendly matches.
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
19 March, 2017 19:02
First day of cricket and a cold one.

I decided to leave the ground @ 4.30 owing to the fact I couldn't feel my fingers.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2017%20Cricket%20Photos/Friendly%20Matches/Somerset%20v%20Gloucester%20starting%2019th%20March/Roelof%20Van%20Der%20Merwe.jpg

Roelof van der Merwe dealing with a short ball.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2017%20Cricket%20Photos/Friendly%20Matches/Somerset%20v%20Gloucester%20starting%2019th%20March/Jim%20Allenby%20lbw%20C%20Miles.jpg

Jim Allenby didn't seem too happy about being given out lbw off the bowling of Miles.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2017%20Cricket%20Photos/Friendly%20Matches/Somerset%20v%20Gloucester%20starting%2019th%20March/Peter%20Trego%20bld%20Benny%20Howell.jpg

A good innings by Peter Trego until he was bowled by Benny Howell.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2017%20Cricket%20Photos/Friendly%20Matches/Somerset%20v%20Gloucester%20starting%2019th%20March/Steve%20Davies%204%20runs.jpg

Steve Davies played some good shots like this four.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2017%20Cricket%20Photos/Friendly%20Matches/Somerset%20v%20Gloucester%20starting%2019th%20March/James%20Hildreth%206%20runs.jpg

James Hildreth lifting this ball into the stands for a six.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2017%20Cricket%20Photos/Friendly%20Matches/Somerset%20v%20Gloucester%20starting%2019th%20March/Marcus%20Trescothick%20ct%20Chris%20Dent%20bld%20D%20Payne.jpg

Although my view was obscured by the other batsman it looked like a loose shot by Marcus Trescothick to be caught in that position by Chris Dent off the bowling of Payne.

Anyway it is only a friendly match so it is always good to feel ball on bat for the batsmen.

 
Loyal of Lhasa
Re: The season starts with friendly matches.
Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
19 March, 2017 22:22
Thanks Mike. We now have visual proof that summer has started!



LoL

Seventy Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Loyal of Lhasa
Re: The season starts with friendly matches.
Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
20 March, 2017 11:47
Great, though rather discouraging, picture on the official site of the ground with a rainbow in the background. The championship trophy is surely to be found at one of its ends...



LoL

Seventy Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Farmer White
Re: The season starts with friendly matches.
Farmer White (IP Logged)
20 March, 2017 12:06
Do you mean to say that all this time it might have been sitting on top of the Botham Stand? Unless that lot in the flats have it.

 
Loyal of Lhasa
Re: The season starts with friendly matches.
Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
20 March, 2017 12:28
The photo suggests it could be just behind the CRMA clock. Would somebody pop up and have a look, please?



LoL

Seventy Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Mike BOS
Re: The season starts with friendly matches.
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
20 March, 2017 14:36
The covers are coming off.

cloudy with patches of blue with a strong wind=cold.

 
tractor
Re: The season starts with friendly matches.
Tractor (IP Logged)
20 March, 2017 16:30
Many thanks for the very kind words earlier, Farmer! Without wishing to prolong the very heated debate, may I refer you to an even greater authority on the subject? On the Somerset Official website earlier, we were treated to a video of a Banger interview where he gave his chosen XI based on both his England and Somerset experiences. His bowling line-up included Caddick (obviously), Jimmy Anderson (recognising how he tore through us at Blackpool some years ago) and Vernon Philander. Now I have to question that selection. Why Vern?

 
Loyal of Lhasa
Re: The season starts with friendly matches.
Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
20 March, 2017 16:45
Tractor: Why do you drag on these irrelevancies?



LoL

Seventy Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Farmer White
Re: The season starts with friendly matches.
Farmer White (IP Logged)
20 March, 2017 17:46
Can I suggest we bring the wyvern/dragon saga to a close. I think it has run out of legs.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 20/03/2017 17:47 by Farmer White.

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