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AG on apple
Re: And so it all starts with Essex
AG on apple (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 10:34
Yes, it was the usual flop in that slap-dash batting in *both* innings was, by all accounts, primarily to blame for this defeat.

It was also 'business as usual,' in that we had somebody in an official capacity with the club saying 'We may have been under-prepared.'

 
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Re: And so it all starts with Essex
Grockle (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 10:39
But the batting in the first innings gave us an 80 run start in the second and most media accepted that the par score on the pitch was probably significantly less than was first anticipated so it wasn't the case that batting in the first innings was necessarily an issue.



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Mark O
Re: And so it all starts with Essex
Mark O (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 10:42
Re: And so it all starts with Essex
Posted by: Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
Date: 17 April, 2017 18:53

There are lots of postings on here for me to catch up on.

So, let me start with this one: -

Quote:
Mark O
Dear Clarence
I wonder if we could have a chat at the next home match when we can discuss my sons as I assume you will not be at OT?

regards

Mark Overton

Welcome to this messageboard Mr. Overton, on what is your first posting.

What do you want to chat with me about and why? I suggest you do your homework first


Dear Clarence

Thank you for your kind welcome, though I am sure you did not mean to be quite so aggressive writing " I suggest you do your homework first" comment which I will over look. Given your kindness, I would very much like to meet up with someone who has much experience of SCCC and to this end am happy to buy you lunch on the Saturday of the next 4 day match in Stragglers. If you need any help moving around the ground I am also happy to give you hand.

I cannot believe you will hide behind your keyboard and therefore look forward to your confirmation so I can book.

all the best and regards

Mark

 
Railboy
Re: And so it all starts with Essex
Railboy (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 11:05
Like SP2 I usually like to let the dust settle and my thoughts clarify before contributing my observations.

I think the strip was more central than many of those that we chose last year. This may have contributed to the "miscalculation" and the surface becoming more benign as the game went on.

We should not be surprised that England's leading run Test scorer EVER managed to accumulate a match winning score against a County attack on a dead wicket.We can only hope that having to stand and watch a master accumulater at work may have some effect on our batting.

HOWEVER,lady luck did not favour us on Sunday. Twice (once the very next ball after Brown was out) Cook managed to balloon balls into the only space around short leg that none of the covering fielders could quite get to. At that time that would have been a massive momentum shift and there would still have been plenty of time to get the rest out. There were also at least 2 very confident LBW appeals turned down (and you really can tell the difference from the side between a chancer appeal and one where the bowler & keeper really believe he was out)

What has happened with Dom Bess? I assumed that he would be a nailed on selection at home to give us a balanced spin attack as well as a very decent bat, but he never seemed in the frame for this game

 
AG on apple
Re: And so it all starts with Essex
AG on apple (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 11:42
Maybe Roelof's huge score vs the might of OCCU confused selection?

As it happens, Roelof bowled well by all accounts. But maybe loads of runs vs students convinced MM that Roelof was about to become a serious contributor with the bat?

Grockle - Just because we had a lead on first innings does not change the fact that, by all accounts, we batted poorly with the majority of the batsmen gifting their wickets to Essex. Had we batted properly we may have had a huge lead - or at least one big enough to force Essex to follow-on (we would only have needed an additional 71 runs).

From what I heard we were excellent with the ball and good bowling did for Essex in their first dig whereas Essex bowled nothing special but we threw our wickets away.

 
Loyal of Lhasa
Re: And so it all starts with Essex
Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 11:52
Why stop at purging a few players? There is a band of supporters whose relentless ostrich-mode optimism will continue to undermine any possibility of real progress into the trophy-winning phase the county so desperately needs. Their unflagging support for the has-beens and the never-will-bes that populate the county side puts the fear of God into the management to such an extent that they dare not risk making the changes that the seriously expert supporters see as essential.

Among those to be purged (stripped of their membership, denied access to the ground and to supporters' websites) will have to include such fogeys as Bobstan, Wickham, Bagpuss, the two Mikes, Angell Face, Geordie Moonraker, the mighty Tractor, even Grockle himself, several more to whom I apologise for not including their names on this list, and, of course, the undersigned.



LoL

Seventy-one Seasons a Somerset Supporter



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Re: And so it all starts with Essex
Grockle (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 12:57
You are such a 'wag' LoL.

I can't possibly be in that list because as we all know (except me it seems) I disagree with almost everybody on the site so I must be against anything that load of miscreants put forward and therefore loved by all the serious cricket analysts (well except for Clarence and his dislike of 'bilge' and RR who probably never reads anything I post anyway).

The rest of you take your bags and leave. Mike you can stay but ONLY post photos. Make no comments.

AG you are in charge because how can someone who is always right ever be disagreed with effectively!!

Sorted.



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Clarence Parker
Re: And so it all starts with Essex
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 12:59
Quote:
Mark O

Dear Clarence

Thank you for your kind welcome, though I am sure you did not mean to be quite so aggressive writing " I suggest you do your homework first" comment which I will over look. Given your kindness, I would very much like to meet up with someone who has much experience of SCCC and to this end am happy to buy you lunch on the Saturday of the next 4 day match in Stragglers. If you need any help moving around the ground I am also happy to give you hand.

I cannot believe you will hide behind your keyboard and therefore look forward to your confirmation so I can book.

all the best and regards

Mark

Mr Overton,

In response to the above, please contact me in future by means of a PM, and in so doing advise me what it is that you want to chat with me about and why?

I am not in the habit of accepting a free lunch from a person whom I do not know.

Clarence Parker.

 
Angell Face
Re: And so it all starts with Essex
Angell Face (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 13:07
LoL - I refuse to go. And they can't make me, so there!!!!

 
chunkyinargyll
Re: And so it all starts with Essex
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 13:25
Quote:
Clarence Parker
Quote:
Mark O

Dear Clarence

Thank you for your kind welcome, though I am sure you did not mean to be quite so aggressive writing " I suggest you do your homework first" comment which I will over look. Given your kindness, I would very much like to meet up with someone who has much experience of SCCC and to this end am happy to buy you lunch on the Saturday of the next 4 day match in Stragglers. If you need any help moving around the ground I am also happy to give you hand.

I cannot believe you will hide behind your keyboard and therefore look forward to your confirmation so I can book.

all the best and regards

Mark

Mr Overton,

In response to the above, please contact me in future by means of a PM, and in so doing advise me what it is that you want to chat with me about and why?

I am not in the habit of accepting a free lunch from a person whom I do not know.

Clarence Parker.

Scaredy cat, scaredy cat....

smiling bouncing smiley

 
Clarence Parker
Re: And so it all starts with Essex
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 13:43
Infantile comment chunkyinargyll. Do you want to send me a PM as well?

 
chunkyinargyll
Re: And so it all starts with Essex
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 13:44
Not particularly, Clarence.

I'm just enjoying the entertainment,

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AG on apple
Re: And so it all starts with Essex
AG on apple (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 13:57
As the resident economist knows 'There is no such thing as a free lunch.'

 
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Re: And so it all starts with Essex
Grockle (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 16:47
Very true. If you are really confused Clarence maybe I can help.

I think Mark Overton is related to the twins Craig and Jamie.

If you pop back through the archives and do YOUR homework you may find that on a number of occasions you have been less than gracious in your criticism of one of the twins.

You don't know him either but that didn't seem to stop you laying it on pretty thick regarding your views of his ability on a number of occasions without too much evidence to back it up or any attempt to explain when your reasoning was questioned by others.

This year you started again after the Essex game and then came Mr Overton's quite polite invitation.

I think you know exactly what the chat would be about. Most other people seem to have worked it out.

You don't have to take up the offer but maybe you do need to consider the evidence in future before making the more outlandish accusations you sometimes end up posting.

I'm not sure I expect you to do either but I hope I've clarified the position for you.



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rodders12
Re: And so it all starts with Essex
rodders (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 16:52
Just to say that as I now live in Yorkshire I will be at every day at OT. I promise to put my usual half empty glass aside and give a reasoned post on the match. It will be at the conclusion though and not daily as I will have no internet access staying with my sister in law. I will do my best to be fair and impartial !!

 
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Re: And so it all starts with Essex
Grockle (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 16:56
Cheers Rodders. Keeping up is always best with some live info. Lets hope there's a more competitive aspect to the whole game rather than bits.



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Nailsea_Fizz
Re: And so it all starts with Essex
Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 18:45
Quote:
Clarence Parker
Infantile comment chunkyinargyll. Do you want to send me a PM as well?

bur very funny after a day in the office

 
Clarence Parker
Re: And so it all starts with Essex
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 18:58
You haven't clarified the position, Grockle, because as far as I am concerned it needed no clarification.

Frankly, I don't give a monkey's if Mark Overton is related to the Overton twins or the Queen of Sheba!

The "evidence" for my opinions is based not only on what I, and many others, have witnessed at first hand, but of course by the statistics that these performances have given rise to. Argue against that by all means, but try watching us play first.

As far as this thread is concerned, on our first CC match of the season, the only mention I have made regarding either of the Overtons is this: -

“I am no ardent fan of Jamie Overton and said at the start of the match that Tim Groenewald would have been a better selection on that pitch.”

Frankly, if anyone (even a relation) wants to get their knickers in a twist over that comment – then let them.

I requested Mark Overton to send me a PM. Up until now he hasn’t and I very much doubt that he will. So be it.

You banned me once from this site and had to eat humble pie to re – instate me. Are you about to do likewise again?

 
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Re: And so it all starts with Essex
Grockle (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 20:25
You wondered what the chat might be about. I clarified.

I doubt Mr Overton suddenly decided to 'chat' to you after last week based on last week even though the stats suggest that Jamie was by no means a liability for his side last week and others on here not called Overton have pointed that out to you already.

Why are you trying to prove things to me?

I've done my bit by clearing up your supposed confusion. Discuss the rest with the Overtons. They are the ones you are criticising. If it bothers you. Talk to them and prove how wrong they are. I'm not particularly interested in your view.... that's mostly my CP position

And you really don't want to go there Clarence? Making an accusation based on no evidence and then refusing to back down when faced with it?

Most people will have forgotten your ban even if it still bothers you it seems. I certainly don't want to talk about it again unless you desperately want to dig it up. I suppose that is up to you. I'm easy either way.



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Clarence Parker
Re: And so it all starts with Essex
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 20:50
You need to clarify yourself Grockle - not me.

If I have made an accusation based on no evidence, then prove it to me. Of course you can't because your postings are as so often full of bluster.

I have requested Mr. Overton to contact me personally, but he hasn't.

If he doesn't want to talk to me, that's fine by me. I really do not want to waste my time on it.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: And so it all starts with Essex
Grockle (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 21:18
Well OK Clarence if you insist.

You made an unfounded accusation about me altering posts in my favour. I required you to prove it or leave.

YOU in fact did the blustering for a while on site and then via PM once I removed your access after you refused to withdraw or prove your statement.

Then you accepted your error so I have nothing I need to prove to you. You returned and things carried on.

I did not make anything of it at the time as the matter had been resolved as far as I was concerned and I have no idea how you think this is relevant other than to suggest this might not be a first offence in your case in relation to unfounded statements.

Anyway I'm off to bed now so you carry on if you really want to and I'll pick it up in the morning if I really have to.

Hope the other issue sorts itself out to someone's satisfaction and we can prep for Old Trafford rather than raking over old bones someone can't leave well enough alone.

Night one and all.



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BristolRob
Re: And so it all starts with Essex
RadstockRob (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 23:30
Mark can I be next in line for a free lunch if Clarence doesn't want it pretty please?

I think you might have seen me around the ground a few times and always gave a polite hello if you were too nervous to stop for a chat.

I would imagine that you know a lot more about cricket in general and how the system works than any poster on here.

Perhaps some should look up your cricketing career on Cricinfo.

That would shock a few of the ones that don't know you!

There must be something seriously wrong with a person who refuses a free lunch and discussion with two players father.

Nice for you to chat on here Mark.

I know you have followed Grockles for a long time and bit your tongue many times.

Well done to you.

I look forward to seeing you soon.



SOMERSET THE TEAM TO WATCH.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: And so it all starts with Essex
Scrumper (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 23:54
If the Archers are ever short of storylines they should look here.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: And so it all starts with Essex
Grockle (IP Logged)
19 April, 2017 05:19
(Sm160) (Sm22) (Sm160)

One of the nice things about this site is that there is always someone who can put a thing in its true perspective.

Thanks gents for the humour and sense.



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chunkyinargyll
Re: And so it all starts with Essex
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
19 April, 2017 06:53
I must urge Clarence to reconsider.

I'm reminded of the wife of a tennis player at Wimbledon, who slapped the umpire, because she knew if her husband did it, he'd get banned.

[www.beamly.com]

Go get him, Mr O.

 
Mike BOS
Re: And so it all starts with Essex
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
19 April, 2017 09:00
I have know Mark Overton for a number of years, the first time I met Mark was at North Perrott watching the second XI play, both his sons were playing in one of the matches (there were two games) they could only play in one of the games because the were due to take their exams (A levels I think).

Mark is a very nice person and often sits with us on Gimblett's Hill, he is very knowledgable on cricket and interesting to listen too.

 
Mark O
Re: And so it all starts with Essex
Mark O (IP Logged)
19 April, 2017 09:05
Dear Rob and Mr C Parker

Rob specifically:Thank you for the kind post, Im sure we can have lunch or a beer at the next match and the invitation is still open to Mr Clarence Parker. I am concerned for you Mr Parker as you appear so aggressive in your responses to everyone I cannot believe that is your nature given what experience you must have.

It would be really good to meet up on the on the 2nd day at lunch time so I can learn more bout our wonderful club, I also feel it is much better to keep all conversations in the open. Looking forward to lunch as per my previous post if you require any assistance moving around the ground please let me know.

On a side note, I really do hope you have a better day than yesterday, I cant believe you are always this aggressive especially to Mr Grockle, maybe a walk in your name sake park at Weston will do the trick especially as the weather is so good on the North Coast today.

Speak soon and really looking forward to meeting your both.

All the best

Mark

 
Tom Seymour
Re: And so it all starts with Essex
Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
19 April, 2017 10:06
What a lot of wind over nothing. Simply pathetic. It’s reminiscent of my schooldays when a bully would threaten another boy with a punch up if he ventured into the bike sheds.

Mark Overton is said to watch the cricket from Gimbletts Hill but I consider he should walk around the ground more incognito and loiter long enough to hear at first hand some of the comments made, both favourable and not so favourable, from the people who keep this club afloat. In case Mr O doesn’t know, that’s the members and the paying public.

Last Saturday I was sitting in a pleasant part of the ground near to a group of about 4 members. When we were batting a second time and before either of the Overtons had got to the crease, one of the men came out with the comment “I don’t think Jamie Overton uses his head when he bats.” The old boy next to him said “I don’t think he uses his head when he bowls.” This brought a ripple of laughter not only from me but also from some of the other people in earshot. No doubt two honestly held opinions with which some may agree and some may not. Should these old boys be taken behind the bike sheds to be beaten up?

I doubt if there is anyone in the public limelight whether it is in cricket, any other sport, the stage, music or whatever who has not been the subject of criticism as well as praise in writing or in social media.

So, if it troubles you Mr O, just let it ride over your head. If you think Jamie is the greatest thing since sliced bread, and every critic of him doesn’t know what they are talking about, then keep that belief.

Time will tell who is right and who is wrong, but the truth is that probably neither side will be one way or the other.

One thing’s for sure and that is that I will be patrolling the bike sheds on the Saturday of the next home game.



A glass half - empty or a glass half - full?
Regardless, both glasses need filling up.

 
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Re: And so it all starts with Essex
Grockle (IP Logged)
19 April, 2017 11:38
Where is the threat in anything said here Tom? My understanding is that Mr Overton has invited Mr 'Parker' to lunch to discuss cricket.

If the views are honestly held then I am sure that will be a conversation between two people who have possibly differing views about the capabilities and uses of skills a couple of players have over a period of time but who are prefectly capable of backing their view up over a meal and a drink.

'Clarence' has certainly voiced his view here on more than one occasion and may very well have had a discussion with Mark under a pseudonym for all I know. Now it seems that there is an offer to have that conversation in person at a match.

Where is this bullying of which you speak? There's a bit of avoidance and a bit of interest in an unusual invitation on here (I don't know of it happening before) but who do you think is bullying who?

If there was any threat of physical violence I'd be obliged to remove the post and should there have been a request to act because someone thought they were being forced into some kind of meeting they did not want to be involved in the I would be obliged to act. I don't see either situation existing and no request has been officially made to me.

In fact as far as I can read Mark is obviously aware of CP's age as he has offered to assist him should he find mobility to be an issue that stops a meeting.

I think you are looking at this from your own perspective which seems to differ from others. Your 'pathetic' may be someone else's 'interesting'.

Is it 'pathetic' to ask someone to discuss what they are happy to say at the end of a keyboard face to face with someone it relates to? If someone feels threatened by that then maybe thinking before they write could be part of the learning process. Why should anyone be threatened by that if the view is honestly held and can be backed up by the stats which Clarence seems to suggest it can? If someone feels strongly about the topic they might even welcome the chance to discuss it in person.

Anyway isn't it simply between the two parties and their decision as to how it pans out?

Are there any bike sheds at Taunton? If there are I think I'd advise against hanging around them during a match in this highly suspicious modern world.



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Mr Date
Re: And so it all starts with Essex
Mr Date (IP Logged)
19 April, 2017 11:58
I'm pretty new around this forum and have joined as after many years of supporting Somerset from the cheap seats on an adhoc basis I have finally become a member.

Can I ask is this kind of discussion Normal?

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