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England v West Indies Test series
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
10 August, 2017 17:03
Mark Stoneman and Mason Crane have been called up for the first Test at Edgbaston next week, whilst Chris Woakes returns after injury.

Dawson, Finn and Jennings the three to drop out of the squad of 13.

Re: England v West Indies Test series
AGod (IP Logged)
10 August, 2017 17:06
Windies usually awful versus wrist-spin so I suppose it might give Crane some cheap scalps, get his confidence up etc... but can't help thinking that it would be a false dawn.

Having all three of Stokes, Woakes and Mo in the same team gives a very powerful engine room to the side.

Stoneman's call-up seems well deserved. However, there is again the issue that he might score millions vs Windies, but the tour Down Under will be a far tougher proposition. I think they may regret not getting a look at Stoneman vs Morkel, Rabada et al.

In general, those marginal selections that have got the call in the second half of the summer may consider themselves fortunate compared to those picked vs SA.

Re: England v West Indies Test series
mikeindex (IP Logged)
10 August, 2017 18:00
England's selectors pursuing their time-honoured philosophy of chucking any leggie who gets a few county wickets into the Test side (cf. Schofield, Salisbury and to a lesser degree Hobbs).

Re: England v West Indies Test series
Wickham (IP Logged)
10 August, 2017 18:48
... and Borthwick.

Re: England v West Indies Test series
AGod (IP Logged)
10 August, 2017 19:03
Yes, it's all a bit desperate, really.

Re: England v West Indies Test series
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
10 August, 2017 19:30
Tommy Greenhough?

Re: England v West Indies Test series
AGod (IP Logged)
10 August, 2017 20:22
By and large, we'd be better accepting that our very poor climate mitigates against the development of high quality wrist-spinners, rather than desperately jumping on prospective leg-spinners and trying to shoe-horn them into our team.

Let's face it, the ECB has no doubt poured considerable resources in recent times (probably over the past 25 years or so) into desperately trying to develop quality wrist-spinners but there has not been so much as a single conspicuous success, thus far - not even in county cricket, much less in Tests.

There are two main reasons why our climate mitigates the development of decent leggies. First of all, the volume of rain produces slow and low pitches. Arguably the biggest asset for any leggie is bounce, ordinarily. And all spinners are better if the ball turns quickly.

The element that receives less attention is the sheer cold. Anybody that has ever tried to bowl wrist-spin, at any level, will tell you the same thing: the rotation of the shoulder involved in wrist-spin is not a completely natural movement of the kind that is necessary for all other types of bowling. The body doesn't really want to rotate like that at the shoulder. And when it's cold (and often damp too) the shoulder does not co-operate properly and this is one of the primary reasons that accuracy is so hard to come by for the overwhelming majority of English wrist-spinners, including ALL of the ones of recent vintage...

Re: England v West Indies Test series
nelliec (IP Logged)
10 August, 2017 22:02
At least there will be no Woakes for Warks in the CC game,and probably no Crane in the T20 last game at the Rose Bowl

Re: England v West Indies Test series
Scrumper (IP Logged)
10 August, 2017 22:16
I don't think any kind of bowling is natural AGod. My shoulder doesn't function very well below 20°C, 30+ years bowling sheer pace takes it toll.

Re: England v West Indies Test series
AGod (IP Logged)
11 August, 2017 10:09
These things are all's body is designed in such a way that one can bring the arm over at the shoulder but the rotation of the shoulder required to bowl wrist-spin is distinctly abnormal.... and when the body resists it, the timing is thrown off resulting in the ball either being released too early (something floaty, probably a full-toss or certainly something with too much air unless you've managed to imprart enough revs on it to get it to dip late) or too late (a useless half-tracker).

Re: England v West Indies Test series
Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
11 August, 2017 11:49
... my body is designed in such a way that it would have been best for all concerned to have conveyed it directly from the cradle to the coffin. Pity about all the intervening years.


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