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Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
Grockle (IP Logged)
16 August, 2017 16:39
They are probably on decent incremental schemes as well as they move from Academy to professional rates etc.



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Roger ivanhoe
Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
16 August, 2017 17:13
Its Playing costs really not player wages, so assume they also cover the Coaching staff, Ground Staff etc, but if fairly obvious that a large proportion of the Players Salaries are received by say 3 or 4 senior players. We could question have we received full value from those senior players in the last 18 months, figures would suggest no. But imagine the reaction of the membership if those players did not have their contract renewed at the time.

It could be if the rumours are proved correct that the new policy of the club is for ALL the playing staff are to compete for a place to play in formats, not just the club to compete in all formats. In which case would make more sense of Jim Allenby's press interview.

My take on it is J.A. had contract renewal talks with M.M. who said the club are looking to retain players who are available and worthy of competing for a 1st team place in all formats, and M.M said sorry Jim, but you are not one of them, J.M then drew his conclusion on the other three named players and wrongly spoke on the matter in the interview.

 
AGod
Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
AGod (IP Logged)
16 August, 2017 17:18
Perfectly possible although the other players were never mentioned in the interview itself.

But the circumstantial evidence would probably suggest that the source for the Cricinfo story was the same person that told them that he, personally, was leaving the club.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
Grockle (IP Logged)
16 August, 2017 17:26
Whatever happened it seems that that report was the one in error and the club's clarification was the correct one.



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MESSAGES->author
Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
Grockle (IP Logged)
16 August, 2017 21:04
SomersetLaLaLa posted this on the wrong thread

From accounts for 2016

[www.somersetcountycc.co.uk]

Cricket Costs - Salaries and Associated Costs £1,984,673
(see other costs & expenses beneath in column for what is excluded e.g. travel, ground maintenance and admin)

Income £4,261,791

Therefore the ratio is 1,984,673/4,261,791 = 46%. I'm not sure what was exactly mentioned in the meeting but you get the idea.

I'm sure Surrey make at least that income figure from events and conferences alone, so their ratio is lower, but there is only a certain number of Elton John concerts that Somerset can bear

The ECB bung is more interesting



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Loyal of Lhasa
Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
16 August, 2017 21:30
I wonder how much Surrey pays HRH Prince of Wales for the use of his cabbage patch and whether he is thinking of reclaiming it any time for a city-centre organic farm.



LoL

Seventy Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Farmer White
Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
Farmer White (IP Logged)
17 August, 2017 13:49
The answer to your two questions LoL is not very much in the light of London property prices and no if these two articles are anything to go by:

This Guardian article, admittedly from 2006, suggests the current rent at 3% of Surrey's £30m annual turnover would be c£900,000 pa.

[www.theguardian.com]

This Telegraph article from a couple of months ago suggests The PoW might prefer his rent to his cabbages. It also shows what clubs like Somerset are going to be competing with post 2020.

[www.telegraph.co.uk]

On A level results day here is my A level question offering for the cricket exam paper:

Somerset's future might best lie in being 'Best of the small County Cricket Clubs' with a niche high spec 'regional' cricketing centre in what is probably the only predominantly rural region with a County Cricket Club. This would provide some contrast to the 'city' clubs in the public mind. Somerset certainly looked pretty spectacular on Sky for the T20 international and the commentary team were drooling over the venue.

Somerset have to find a profitable distinct nich somewhere in the new set up and this might be it.

Discuss.

 
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Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
Grockle (IP Logged)
17 August, 2017 14:29
So Somerset becomes ECB bridesmaid and pimp for South Western talent while being discriminated against by the ruling body of English and Welsh domestic cricket.

Are we supposed to be grateful for this 'opportunity'?



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Somerset LaLaLa
Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
17 August, 2017 15:36
"As an A level student I have not watched live cricket on terrestrial TV since the Ashes in 2005 when I was 6.

My school does not offer it in PE lessons and the pitch has been sold off for development to McDonalds. The curriculum is so overloaded for the new examinations with the teachers overworked. At the moment the school has no money for cricket equipment.

The local club has shut because it doesn't have enough players, despite the population of the village increasing.

Many children have never picked up a bat and the technicalities of the game mean they are forever lost as players. They have posters of Ronaldo rather than Root.

I welcome your proposals for Somerset being 'Best of the Small County Cricket Clubs' but for me the problem is playing at grassroots that needs to be reversed."

A Student

 
Roger ivanhoe
Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
17 August, 2017 16:17
LaLaLa, why not try to speak to someone within the club, they might be able to point you in the right direction and offer advice.

 
Somerset LaLaLa
Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
17 August, 2017 17:49
Roger, My answer was tongue in cheek for the cricket exam paper. I’m actually generation watching Richards/Garner/Botham but do lament the more recent decline of cricket for the many in schools. Nonetheless your suggestion of contacting the club is a very good one

 
Loyal of Lhasa
Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
17 August, 2017 20:46
I've been contact the club for years to tell them I'm available for selection...



LoL

Seventy Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Bobstan
Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
Bobstan (IP Logged)
17 August, 2017 21:42
Yes, you're hard done by, LoL. They really could do with another coffee server in the Stragglers.

 
Loyal of Lhasa
Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
17 August, 2017 22:10
What about an ice-cream server, given the way we were let down on our recent visit?



LoL

Seventy Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Farmer White
Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
Farmer White (IP Logged)
17 August, 2017 22:12
Can you multi-task LoL?

 
Grizzzly
Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
17 August, 2017 22:50
I heard Warwickshire are on the lookout for a seasoned campaigner LoL....

Grizzzly

 
AGod
Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
AGod (IP Logged)
18 August, 2017 06:45
Anyone with a pulse meets Warwickshire's current criteria.

 
Bobstan
Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
Bobstan (IP Logged)
18 August, 2017 08:32
Cappuccino please, LoL.

 
Tom Seymour
Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
18 August, 2017 08:44
"Anyone with a pulse meets Warwickshire's current criteria."

At least Giles has recruited sensibly mid season in order to strengthen his outfit in preparation for 2018.

Someone please tell me what Maynard has done?



A glass half - empty or a glass half - full?
Regardless, both glasses need filling up.

 
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Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
Grockle (IP Logged)
18 August, 2017 09:37
But haven't Warwickshire also had a shocking 2017? No comment on that then?

What has Giles done that you know of besides taken a punt on Hose Tom?

Maynard has an Academy of players coming through. Eddie Byrom is already there, Tom Banton and Tim Rouse have had first team experience. Tom Lammomby has just been named U19 Player of the series. George Bartlett was involved as well. Paul van Meekeren is developing. So he"s gone a different route to buying in but is it less exciting for 2018. Depending on who is here for 2018 there will be off sesson purchases one would imagine to add to that.

Is there development of players at Edgbaston? I don't know. Is their strategy long or short term? Has Giles done any better than MM in his position? I'd say neither have exactly turned the county around this year. But let's have a bit more than Giles signed Adam Hose if you want to discuss a comparison.

So... what else has Giles done that makes him so much better in his approach?



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Mike BOS
Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
18 August, 2017 09:50
I always think buying in players during the season is a sign of desperation due to not getting it right in the first place.

Any club should have player coming through the seconds they should be able to call on if the club is any good.

The only time it warrants it is to replace an overseas player who has suddenly become unavailable for various reasons.

 
AGod
Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
AGod (IP Logged)
18 August, 2017 09:59
Warks have made several in-season signings, Grockle. Hose, that you know about, and also at least three others - Dominic Sibley, from Surrey, Will Rhodes, from Yorkshire and Ryan Sidebottom from Australia. I've a feeling they made one other signing who has slipped my mind.

My personal view is that the Hose and Sibley signings both represent significant gambles and I strongly suspect that Warks have over-paid for both.

Do Warks have a development programme you ask? No is the answer. They've been execrable in that respect. Chris Woakes was the last regular to come through their youth set up and I think he's about 27!

 
chunkyinargyll
Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
18 August, 2017 10:01
Giles has done quite a lot actually, Grockle.

He's practically signed half a new team in the last few weeks-

Rhodes (Yorkshire) Hose (Somerset) Sibley (Surrey) and an australian Sidebottom.

At start of season everyone reckoned Mo Ali would move back to Warwickshire this winter- so I don't know if that is still on or not.

No suggestion he has reached his overdraft limit yet- so there may be more signings to come.

Whatever you think of him, he can't be accused of letting the grass grow under his feet. Action needed to be taken, and he's taken it.

 
chunkyinargyll
Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
18 August, 2017 10:07
There were also a couple of local lads aged about 24 Giles gave contracts to in May- and they were instantly given some first team opportunities. Can't remember their names off the top of my head, but he's bought half a team in a couple of months.

 
Mike BOS
Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
18 August, 2017 10:12
With all these incoming signings who is being pushed out?

Their squad must be large!

 
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Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
Grockle (IP Logged)
18 August, 2017 10:12
5 first team players Chunky? Really? I know Hose has played some games (though he is restricted) but is it really half a first team or 5 prospects?

I certainly have your view AG that Giles has made signings but only time will tell whether its a good move or not. It's a strategy but is investment in local youth a worse one or not?

Just because one of the signings we know of has made a few runs recently doesn't vindicate the policy. 2018 will do that. We moved our young resources into the first team. Is that a worse policy?



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chunkyinargyll
Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
18 August, 2017 10:13
Westwood and Clarke already gone

Porterfield (if his contract is up) must surely be another gonner. A career average of 30 really isn't good enough.

 
chunkyinargyll
Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
18 August, 2017 10:17
Have Somerset lined up any new payers for 2018 yet, Grockle?

Not that I'm aware of.

And Sibley/Clarke swap has already happened, and Sidebottom has already made his championship debut. Plus the two kids given their first pro contracts (both bowlers- I'll find out their names, and get back to you)

 
chunkyinargyll
Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
18 August, 2017 10:25
Aaron Thomason is one of the local lads who signed a contract in may. Think the other is Harry Brookes (well the item is dated 19th May)

[warwickshireccc.com]

 
AGod
Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
AGod (IP Logged)
18 August, 2017 10:26
God only knows how Porterfield has managed to be retained for all this time by a CC1 club.

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