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Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
Grockle (IP Logged)
18 August, 2017 10:26
I didn't say they had Chunky.

I don't know who is leaving. Do you? Or who is available to fill those gaps properly.

That will be off season work as it usually is.

I do know we have some interesting players coming through from our own Academy. Do Warwickshire or is that why they are looking to buy other people's?



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Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
18 August, 2017 10:35
Grockle- My post was in response to 'What has Ashley Giles done?'

Well, if you include a couple of local kids, he's signed half a team in a couple of months.

On the face of it, Somerset haven't done anything yet.

The early bird catches the worm.

 
Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
Grockle (IP Logged)
18 August, 2017 10:39
Well they have Chunky. They just haven't spent money on new first team talent.

And how nourishing is the worm the Brummies have caught? Has this new 5 person team mada a drastic initial change or not. Surrey spend loadsa money and they got what?



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Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
18 August, 2017 10:46
You don't think Hose, Rhodes, Sibley and Sidebottom are first team talent?

Giles knows he has to get the age profile of his team down- so he is making intelligent 'Poundland' signings. Players he rates, who haven't had opportunities at their present counties.

Maybe Maynard should do the same.

 
Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
18 August, 2017 10:56
The early bird catches the worm

I agree with that regarding contracts, to hear something at the Q&A on the lines of contract will be concluded by Christmas (or something like that)

That is much too late, players need to know much sooner than that especially the younger players in the seconds, they need to know where they will be playing next season or they will go else where.

 
Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
AGod (IP Logged)
18 August, 2017 10:57
Given that Hose and Sibley both had multi-year deals on the table, it's very unlikely that they constitute 'Poundland signings.'

Sure, they'll have cost less than proven first team players for whom there was a market but the very fact that Warks were competing with the players' existing counties will have pushed the price up. And both Surrey and Somerset are amongst the top 4/5 (one in Surrey's case) in terms of wage bills in the game, so the offers made to Sibley/Hose are unlikely to have been desultory.

 
Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
18 August, 2017 11:05
'Poundland' in the sense that Giles hasn't broken the bank to sign someone of the stature of the soon to retire Sangakkara.

These days most (all?) counties have players on full year long contracts. For the players that means October is the one month they can have a good holiday, with pre-season training unbelievably starting in November. With that in mind, you can understand why players want new deals tied up before the season is over (so they can have October holiday)

 
Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
Grockle (IP Logged)
18 August, 2017 11:05
I don't know Chunky. Do you think.Steve Davies is first team talent? Maynard bought him this year with much approval at the time and much criticism as some kind of idiot when he didn't produce for half a season.

The quality of the signing is in the performance isn't it? Is Giles the Great strategist now because he has spent money? Will he become the@#$%&coach next year if his purchases make little difference?

Shall we wait and see perhaps?



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Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
18 August, 2017 11:08
But Steve Davies must now be thought of in terms of 'last year'.

What is Maynard planning for 2018?

 
Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
Grockle (IP Logged)
18 August, 2017 11:13
It doesn't matter when the purchase was made in relation to the quality of the purchase which is what you were allùding to in relation to Sibley et al.

Davies was just an example of the fact that spending money is not a simple guarantee of success.

I don't know what the DoC of Somerset is planning. Am I supposed to? I can't remember knowing in the middle of August in the past.



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Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
Grockle (IP Logged)
18 August, 2017 11:26
Eddie Byrom, Tim Rouse, Tom Banton, George Bartlett, Tom Lammomby along with Tom Abell, Craig and Jamie Overton, Lewis Gregory, Dom Bess and Jack Leach aren't 'Pounland' signings, they are home grown. That seems to be a Maynard strategy if a more long term rather than 'plug the hole' type.

Is it better? Well neither has really been given time to see yet in the case of the newer boys. Will Adam Hose do well at Warks? I don't know but I wish him well.

Will we have a predominently self reared Somerset team of successful professionals. Doñ't know that either but I hope so?

Is one method better than the other? Not sure but I know which one I'd rather put my hopes behind.



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Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
AGod (IP Logged)
18 August, 2017 12:10
It's obviously a nonsense idea to suppose that either method is intrinsically better. It all depends on the quality of players developed/imported.

In days of yore, one might have supposed that one could expect more 'loyalty,' from 'developed,' players than from imports but I'm not sure that holds anymore.

 
Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
Grockle (IP Logged)
18 August, 2017 12:14
Has a club bought its way out of trouble in the past? I mean as a major policy decision?

Have to agree with you AG. It surely has to be a mixture of the best of both and I suppose the best DoC's or whatever are the ones who can marry the two together.



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Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
18 August, 2017 12:52
I think the word "better" is irrelevant as far as I am concerned. I just enjoy Somerset cricket all the more when most of the side have come through the county's own system. For much of this and last season that has applied to at least seven members of the team; I think there was one match when it applied to nine and I doubt any other county, even Yorkshire, can often boast of that these days. A quick count from the Almanac I indicates there are fourteen "locals" on the books this year.

Heaven forbid we ever go down the sad road taken by senior football sides in England, where the bulk of the teams seem to be qualified for countries other than England and few of those who are thus qualified have any local affiliation.



LoL

Sixty-nine Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
18 August, 2017 13:42
M.M. remark at the Q & A made little sense if he was referring to those whose contracts expire in September, will they be unemployed for 3 months.

 
Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
Angell Face (IP Logged)
18 August, 2017 14:00
like LoL, I like to see as many "home grown" players as possible in the team and it certainly looks as though we have a good batch of players coming through from the second team. I shall be disappointed if we are relegated to Div.2 but not downhearted. Look at Essex. Div.2 for a number of years, promoted last year and likely to win the CC this year. If I was a betting man I would have put money on them going straight back to Div.2 but suddenly most of their players seem to have come good. A few years back Lancs won the CC and were relegated the next year. I really can't see that Maynard and the club have done a lot wrong in terms of recruitment and I'm happy to go with the squad we have with the addition of a good top order batsmen to replace Marcus.

 
Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
Farmer White (IP Logged)
18 August, 2017 14:01
My recollection of the Q&A is that MM's remarks about Christmas referred specifically to contract extensions for players due to fall out of contract in 2018.

 
Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
Grockle (IP Logged)
18 August, 2017 14:21
That info tends to appear early September on recollection. It may be later because it may he dependent on our Championship position.



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Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
Wickham (IP Logged)
18 August, 2017 14:28
I knew that, if I waited, others (in this case, LoL and AF) would express feelings similar to my own.

 
Re: Does it feel like we are going backwards under Matthew Maynard
AGod (IP Logged)
18 August, 2017 14:32
You can change 'better,' to 'more likely to be conducive to success,' if you prefer LOL.

There would be no point in coming last with a home grown team, having taken a policy decision to be the cricketing equivalent of Atlético Bilbao (who only field Basque players).

Some might say that there'd be no point winning it with an entirely imported team. I would say that that point of view would be to misunderstand the point of professional, as distinct from amateur, sport.

But, in reality, it is very unlikely that any team could produce an entirely home grown AND successful line-up. And, I would suggest that Surrey are alone in having the financial resources to produce a successful team that is entirely imported.

We need to pursue a blend. Some of our home grown players and two of our imported ones may be about to leave. We have a number of younger players already in our first XI that have the potential to be members of a trophy winning side, but I doubt it would be prudent to try and replace all of those that may be about to leave from within.

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