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cricketjerry-mouse
Know Your Onions
cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
10 September, 2017 12:57
Graham Onions, who last week became Durham`s leading first class wicket-taker of all time, is only being offer a red ball contract for next season and has been told he can talk to other counties.

He was 35 yesterday, but in my view would be an excellent mentor for the likes of the Overton twins and Lewis Gregory for a couple of seasons and, unlike a good few English international seamers, has always bowled well at Taunton.

Talk to him, Somerset.

 
Clarence Parker
Re: Know Your Onions
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
10 September, 2017 13:05
Might be difficult to lure him away as far as Taunton from his native North East, but worth a punt on a short - term contract subject to a fitness clause incorporated therein.

It depends what sort of deal he is after I suppose.

 
AGod
Re: Know Your Onions
AGod (IP Logged)
10 September, 2017 13:07
Too injury prone, IMO.

Plus we wouldn't want to play him in white ball anymore than Durham would so it's not clear what we can offer him that he hasn't got in his existing contract offer.

We do need to add a seamer but the most important thing is that it should be somebody with a good fitness record because we have both LG and JO with weak/vulnerable backs and we need more depth.

 
chunkyinargyll
Re: Know Your Onions
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
10 September, 2017 14:04
Durham have only done this because they are still strapped for cash.

I would have thought he was good for another 3 years, but Taunton might not be his preferred destination. He was quoted a few weeks ago as saying he wanted to spend his entire career at Durham, but wasn't sure if he would be offered anything. Well, he has been offered something (but maybe not as financially lucrative as he could get elsewhere)

 
mikeindex
Re: Know Your Onions
mikeindex (IP Logged)
10 September, 2017 14:08
Someone tell him Taunton now has a Nando's.

 
AGod
Re: Know Your Onions
AGod (IP Logged)
10 September, 2017 14:13
I'd guess that Notts might be favourites to snap him up.

 
cricketjerry-mouse
Re: Know Your Onions
cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
10 September, 2017 14:38
Graham Onions has appeared in six of Durham`s 12 championship matches this season (averaging four wickets a match) and is expected to play in the final two.

Last season,when Durham finished fourth in Division One, he played in all 16, and his 54 wickets were only bettered by our own Jack Leach, Jeetan Patel and Keith Barker, of Warwickshire, and Yorkshire`s Jack Brooks.

The previous year, when Onions missed just one championship match, he claimed 69 wickets, topped in Division One only by Sussex`s Steve Magoffin and Durham colleague Chris Rushworth.

Not a bad CV, and fitness record.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/09/2017 14:41 by cricketjerry-mouse.

 
mikeindex
Re: Know Your Onions
mikeindex (IP Logged)
10 September, 2017 14:49
(In serious mode), I can't see that Durham's motivation enters into it; neither does Somerset's choice of format in which they mostly play signings.

While I think we should be wary of entering into a bidding war with any of the Chequebook Counties if it came to an auction, I'd be more than happy to have Graham Onions (no.2 England-qualified pace bowler a few years back to my mind, behind Anderson but ahead of Broad et al) on the staff if we could get him on reasonable terms.

Three top-class if at times injury-plagued bowlers on the staff, 1-2 of whom (even if their misfortune with injury continues) will hopefully be available at amy moment that 1-2 of the others aren't, strikes me as a reasonably good deal.
Even ignoring the hoped-for eventuality of Lewis' and Jamie's problems resolving themselves within the next year or so.

No idea of the precise number of pounds involved, but I"d be for offering a reasonably priced two-year contract.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Know Your Onions
Grockle (IP Logged)
10 September, 2017 18:51
Well it will now be Maynard's fault if we don't sign him and he has a decent season anywhere else so I think our job is done here.



(Sm72)

 
Grizzzly
Re: Know Your Onions
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
10 September, 2017 18:52
Do we need another bowler ?

Much as I have always admired GO & would love to have seen him on our books a few years ago, I'm not sure where he would presently fit into the team. At the age of 35 with a patchy injury record, I would query the wisdom of investing precious resources in signing him.

Cove, TG, Jove (hopefully), LG, JD, PvM, plus Dom, Jack & possibly RvdM, represent a pretty decent variety of options from which to select a bowling line up.

Surely our focus must primarily be on strengthening the batting.

Grizzzly

 
Shepton Paul 2
Re: Know Your Onions
Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
10 September, 2017 22:01
Jimmy Anderson was "injury prone" early in his career, stress fractures and what have you. Turned out all right.

I'd say no to GO, albeit there are worse signings we could make.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Know Your Onions
Grockle (IP Logged)
10 September, 2017 23:07
It won't be a problem Grizzz until one of our bowlers struggles a bit then NOT signing Onions will be another indicator of Somerset's inadequacies in the eyes of some. But I could be mistaken of course.

Have to agree with you though. Our bowling is not an area of improvement priority at the moment when we don't seem to be able to bat.

One interesting stat that floated out into the Twitterverse today is that we have the top two scoring batsmen in CC1 since 2007. Marcus T is number 1 and James Hildreth is number 2.



(Sm72)

 
Bagpuss
Re: Know Your Onions
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
11 September, 2017 03:55
And Steven Davies was on that top 10 list.
Dreadful signing, of course.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Know Your Onions
Grockle (IP Logged)
11 September, 2017 07:45
I blame.......



(Sm72)

 
chunkyinargyll
Re: Know Your Onions
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
11 September, 2017 08:32
Angela Rippon.

I blame her for everything.

 
Shepton Paul 2
Re: Know Your Onions
Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
11 September, 2017 09:33
Grockle: re the top two scoring batsmen in CC since 2007...

Tres has 12,874
Hildreth has 10,692
Next is Chris Nash with about 10,400
Chris Rogers is next, spread across four counties
(all according to the Sky graphic)

To me, the most startling aspect is that Marcus has approx 2,200 more runs than any of the others, around 22%!

#commanding

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Know Your Onions
Grockle (IP Logged)
11 September, 2017 09:40
Well he was a class act taken from the higher stage seasons early. I wonder what he might have done had that not happened. We probably wouldn't have had an England number 3 problem... or Strauss might not have had such an illustrious carreer.

Maybe the county kept him fresh and moving. He hasn't been injured too much except for the feet. We have been very lucky.

The bigger question might be. If these two were producing so many, how come we weren't dominating CC1 then and who should we blame for that!!!!

All this batting analysis to try and show the massive effect of David Houghton in one season is fine now but what was been happening to the rest of the batting order for the last decade?



(Sm72)

 
AGod
Re: Know Your Onions
AGod (IP Logged)
11 September, 2017 09:51
Well at the time when Marcus was hammering all-comers a lot of the tracks were very favourable for batsmen.. which made it hard to win too many matches........... it's almost impossible to 'dominate,' a competition solely by dint of the antics of one's batsmen.

Had we been able to do so, we'd have been far better off playing our home games on spicier tracks because MT would probably still have been relatively dominant and the bowlers would have had more chance to win more games.

Part of the statistic for both Marcus and James is continuity of selection (especially in Hilderth's case and absence of England selection). Hildreth has almost never been injured and the one major injury he has ever had took out his off-season, not his season (just recently) and, of course, he's never been picked by England whereas others that have scored heavily have been selected (and often either succeeded for England and so been lost to the county game) or failed and suffered a hang-over/loss of confidence which has affected their county form.

 
cricketjerry-mouse
Re: Know Your Onions
cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
25 September, 2017 23:56
Graham Onions has announced that he is leaving Durham at the end of the season, and is looking for a two-year contract with a new county.

He has just turned 35, but would surely be an excellent singing on this basis, especially for a county with highly promising young bowlers to mentor. Somerset?

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Know Your Onions
Scrumper (IP Logged)
26 September, 2017 00:42
No thanks.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Know Your Onions
Grockle (IP Logged)
26 September, 2017 04:11
He's the Cory Anderson of a season. An injury waiting to happen. The Sean Tait of the Domestic game. Sad because he's also a great bowler but he makes Johnno seem constantly fit.



(Sm72)

 
Shepton Paul 2
Re: Know Your Onions
Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
26 September, 2017 08:55
I think Onions was as good as an English-style seamer as you'd want - but I'm not sure he is any more. I think he's also said he's looking for some sort of guaranteed post-playing coaching role - not sure we can offer that, unless the DoC leaves and Kerr and Rogers each shuffle up a place. And I don't think a seamer is our priority!

Worthy of consideration, but I'd say I'm 70/30 against.

 
AGod
Re: Know Your Onions
AGod (IP Logged)
26 September, 2017 09:37
If Maynard stays then I'd be amazed if we pursued him as MM said no chance of overseas paceman as doesn't want to hinder development of what we have - so, by that logic, very unlikely to pursue Bunny either.

 
AGod
Re: Know Your Onions
AGod (IP Logged)
26 September, 2017 12:51
I tend to agree, Clarence, though if you were to ask me who we could sign to strengthen the bowling, I would have to concede that I do not know (so far as domestic recruits would be concerned). There may, as ever, be the odd Kolpak possibility e.g. players from South Africa or Barbados and maybe one or two other West Indian islands, but who knows.

 
Clarence Parker
Re: Know Your Onions
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
26 September, 2017 12:55
You can think what you like, Sunshine.

 
AGod
Re: Know Your Onions
AGod (IP Logged)
26 September, 2017 12:57
Isn't it hard to argue against the notion that both JOve and LG have an unfortunate history with back injuries, Grockle?

Jamie has missed the lions' share of each of the last two seasons. LG has had numerous issues (I think this may be his third such issue?)

Of course, it is to be hoped that they "grow out of them," (these tend to be young men's injuries) but whether they will remains to be seen.

In the meantime, having a bit more cover would, IMO, be welcome. With the best will in the world, Josh Davey is no match-winner unless conditions are loaded in his favour, IMO. Van Meekeren did well in his one game (I think it was?) but it was one game nonetheless. And there is talk of Cove possibly going Down Under and a reality that Jimmy and Broad cannot go on forever.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Know Your Onions
Grockle (IP Logged)
26 September, 2017 15:35
Not arguing about their back injuries.

It's the assessment of one of them in terms of specific bowling ability and therefore the reason for carrying on with treatment.

Lewis and Jamie may or may not be long for the bowling world. But in terms of skills should they wish to continue they are without doubt both worth the investment.

As I pointed out CP's opinion is different and specific to one of those players.

It is not in my opinion the view of the majority of this site or a completely objective assessment because of personal animosity.

Thanks by the way Clarence I do think what I like and will express it when I like.



(Sm72)



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 26/09/2017 16:49 by Grockle.

 
cricketjerry-mouse
Re: Know Your Onions
cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
26 September, 2017 16:59
Graham Onions going to Lancashire, alongside Keaton Jennings

 
AGod
Re: Know Your Onions
AGod (IP Logged)
26 September, 2017 17:01
Cannot really see that track suiting him much, but we'll see.


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