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Somerset could still be relegated
DeanSwift (IP Logged)
11 October, 2017 15:30
Angus Fraser and Andrew Strauss conspiring to relegate us

It's an ECB stitch up


Re: Somerset could still be relegated
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
11 October, 2017 15:39
Already talk about on another thread. []

Re: Somerset could still be relegated
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
11 October, 2017 16:05
It's not going to happen- but it will be fun watching you all panic for a week.

Re: Somerset could still be relegated
Grockle (IP Logged)
11 October, 2017 16:12
Will it be Chunky?

Is that how you intend to look at it from that high semi superior saddle you have been sitting on for weeks?


Re: Somerset could still be relegated
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
11 October, 2017 16:15
Yes, it is Grockle.

Re: Somerset could still be relegated
Grockle (IP Logged)
11 October, 2017 16:24
Oh dear.... hope the view doesn't upset you rather than amuse you over the next few weeks.

'How the Mighty are fallen' comes to mind.....

What to do if nepotism doesn't work.... maybe we'll see and maybe we won't.

I'm going to merge these threads unless someone thinks we need a shorter one in which case I'll close 'rooting' and make this the main one for Chunky's lots attempt to circumvent the rules.

Let me know what you want.

If Middlesex win can we circumvent the rules and appeal? (Tic)


Re: Somerset could still be relegated
Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
11 October, 2017 16:37
Let this be the thread for this matter. It is a discrete issue and should be kept that way. Middlesex's appeal has nothing to do with what happened at Taunton later in the month and they will weaken their case if they try to introduce their concerns about that match.

If Middlesex win their appeal, then it will be for SCCC to decide whether to go to court, solely on the issue of the points target they thought they had to reach at the start of the match.

Fraser's reaction is a third issue, on which SCCC may choose to act if all else fails.


Sixty-nine Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: Somerset could still be relegated
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
11 October, 2017 16:44
To be serious, I really can't see anyway Somerset will be relegated, as that would indeed be unfair.

The only possibility in town is the compromise 9 teams per division suggestion.

Middlesex Do have a valid point (although it should not adversely affect Somerset).

How would a team react if they were 120-2, needing 20 more to win, if criminal behaviour ended a match 25 overs early?

Presumably they would NOT be okay about it, and say, 'It's no different to a thunderstorm, It's just one of those things'.

Therefore, Middlesex entitled to appeal.

The verdict will be whatever it is.

Re: Somerset could still be relegated
scrmpywasp (IP Logged)
11 October, 2017 17:18
Ok I have to ask this question. Middlesex only had a lead of 181 when the arrrow landed and the game called off. If Middlesex intended to declare shortly and bowl to make up the shortfall in overs they would have had to bowl spin and Surrey would have had at least 20 - 25 overs to get the runs. That would have threatened a possible defeat as it puts it in 20/20 territory which I am sure Middlesex would not have entertained. Is this idea misplaced or inaccurate? I feel sorry for Middlesex but in reality they appear not to be honest in what they would actually have done? So if this scenario is correct then it has to be considered in any deliberation by the cDC as well.

Re: Somerset could still be relegated
Grockle (IP Logged)
11 October, 2017 17:19
An unfortunate storm is not the point. Being behind the required over rate when it hits IS THE POINT.

Nicking money from the till that you were going to put back before the end of the shift is still nicking money if the shift ends unexpectedly early before you do.


Re: Somerset could still be relegated
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
11 October, 2017 17:27

No- it wouldn't because boundaries are longer, and no fielding restrictions.

Middlesex still had 3 wickets in hand- so would have batted on a little longer to set Surrey over 200 in about 15 overs- not doable in a championship match.

The ECB never overruled the umpires promise to sort it out. It's just umpires forgot, and ECB stance was effectively, 'We're really sorry, but once signed by umpires, it can't be altered'.

Middlesex did appeal at time, and after 5 days were told, 'No further right of appeal' That's not the same thing as accepting what ECB said though- it's just at that stage there was no point taking it further. Now it has become very relevant Middlesex entitled to appeal again (otherwise why are ECB allowing it?)

Re: Somerset could still be relegated
Grockle (IP Logged)
11 October, 2017 17:31
Yes we are all wondering why the ECB are allowing it.... along with quite a lot of the cricket media it seems.


Re: Somerset could still be relegated
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
11 October, 2017 18:27
Can you imagine relegation from the Footy Premiership being dealt with like this ?

Two weeks after let's say Liverpool have been relegated, they make a back door appeal to the powers that be, asking for a point back which they claim they lost due to spurious circumstances surrounding a game which ended early for unforseen reasons. And the other Club impacted, let's say Man. City, stand to be relegated instead if the Liverpool points are 'reinstated'.

The appeal is then referred to a committee no-one has ever heard of, without any comment from the Premier League, who instead allow the story to drift out through media back channels.

The unknown person/body then unilaterally decides the fate of the two Clubs concerned. This is done without prior official announcement, out of public sight, without public scrutiny & in a manner about as transparent as a lump of coal.

Can you imagine the outcry ? Resignations, "national disgrace" headlines in the papers etc..

With cricket however, it appears this is the new normal.

Just plain madness.


Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/10/2017 19:04 by Grizzzly.

Re: Somerset could still be relegated
Slow Left Chinaman (IP Logged)
11 October, 2017 18:42
It seems a bit desperate to me to hang everything on a very vague statement of "we'll sort it". That's hardly "we'll give you a cast iron guarantee that there won't be a points deduction".

The umpires don't have the power to arbitrarily decide not to enforce rules like that, so of course they can be overruled by the ECB.

Re: Somerset could still be relegated
sfwithers (IP Logged)
11 October, 2017 18:49
SLA, that may have been the case prior to the Som v Middx match starting, but by the ECB's own rules (as was pointed out earlier) by the time that match started everything had to have been decided. The ECB really have made/are making a complete dog's dinner of this.

Re: Somerset could still be relegated
Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
11 October, 2017 19:37
Read this aloud to yourself and listen with your listening ears -

Somerset cannot still be relegated.

The last round of games would have been played differently for which the over rate appeal must have been resolved beforehand.


And Middlesex ought to be ashamed of themselves

Re: Somerset could still be relegated
Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
11 October, 2017 19:45
Somerset should not comment on Middlesex’s appeal because at present it is nothing to do with them.

I have been a member of Somerset for decades and up until 2016 I was also a member of Middlesex, but it would be a travesty of justice should the E C B reinstate the 2 points deduction to Middlesex and conclude that Somerset would be relegated instead.

The barrack room lawyers on here can speculate till the cows come home over Middlesex’s right to appeal etc., but it will not make a blind bit of difference.

We will be playing in Division 1 next year, though I confess to thinking at the beginning of last month that our record on the field of play suggested that we would not. Happy to say I got that wrong, along with a number of others.

The E C B has been much maligned on here; there have been many conspiracy theories etc. but even a sporting body such as this will sort the wheat from the chaff on this particular point.

All is well. Don’t lose any sleep over it.

Thomas Seymour.

Re: Somerset could still be relegated
Grockle (IP Logged)
11 October, 2017 20:48
Doesn't your statement about what should happen mean you are also a 'barrackroom' lawyer Tom. Let he who is without BS cast the first cowpat.

Beginning of the month? Do us all a favour Mr Seymour!!

Having said all that you are probably right in your assessment. What a shame you blanket insult your fellow posters in the process.


Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/10/2017 20:49 by Grockle.

Re: Somerset could still be relegated
AGod (IP Logged)
11 October, 2017 22:49
No reason to trust the bungling fools at the ECB, Tom. None, whatsoever.

Look up the word 'incompetence,' in a dictionary and you'll find the ECB logo..

Re: Somerset could still be relegated
Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
11 October, 2017 23:00
And what a shame that your bitterness oozes out of every post you make Mr. Grockle.

A glass half - empty or a glass half - full?
Regardless, both glasses need filling up.

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