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2018 ENGLAND CRICKET
Grockle (IP Logged)
12 January, 2018 09:09
For our English musings of this year.



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Bobstan
Re: 2018 ENGLAND CRICKET
Bobstan (IP Logged)
15 January, 2018 08:11
"Peter Trego liked

Luke Wright

Verified account

@lukewright204
22 hours ago

If England win this one day series will County Cricket get praised for producing these players or is county cricket and its players only mentioned when things go wrong?

115 replies . 576 retweets 4,635 likes"

Luke Wright has taken a pasting on here over the years. Not for this tweet, surely.

 
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Re: 2018 ENGLAND CRICKET
Grockle (IP Logged)
15 January, 2018 11:49
Well Matt Prior got roasted for suggesting County Cricket was responsible for the Test loss and deservedly so.



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Mike BOS
Re: 2018 ENGLAND CRICKET
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
15 January, 2018 15:27
England cricketer Ben Stokes has been charged with affray over an incident outside a Bristol nightclub.

A disturbance in September allegedly left a man with a fractured eye socket and police sent findings to the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) in November.
[www.bbc.co.uk]

They took their time!

 
chunkyinargyll
Re: 2018 ENGLAND CRICKET
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
15 January, 2018 15:55
The difficulty being they didn't have a 'victim', because I think the person who was (allegedly) hit didn't want to press charges, because of what the 'victim' was allegedly doing in order to allegedly be punched.

Top penalty is five years for affray, but in many cases it can result in a suspended sentence.

[www.criminal-lawyers.com.au]

 
Loyal of Lhasa
Re: 2018 ENGLAND CRICKET
Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
15 January, 2018 17:10
He says he wants to clear his name, but I wonder whether that will happen, given that the CPS has called for prosecution.



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Mike BOS
Re: 2018 ENGLAND CRICKET
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
15 January, 2018 17:47
Chunky, that looks like a Australian website, it does sound like it is the same as this country.

 
chunkyinargyll
Re: 2018 ENGLAND CRICKET
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
15 January, 2018 17:54
Mike- try this one. suggests maximum of 3 years.

[www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk]

Stokes might have a dilemma. If he pleads guilty that greatly increases his chances of avoiding a custodial sentence. But from the point of his reputation (and what penalty the ECB might impose) can he really afford to plead guilty?

Edit- In fact, looking at the 'mitigating factors' and 'no weapon' sections, even if guilty he would be unlikely to get more than 6 months (If i'm interpreting it right).



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 15/01/2018 18:02 by chunkyinargyll.

 
AGod
Re: 2018 ENGLAND CRICKET
AGod (IP Logged)
15 January, 2018 19:51
A community service is order is common for a first offence.

I cannot see how he could possibly plead not guilty in light of the video evidence.

 
Farmer White
Re: 2018 ENGLAND CRICKET
Farmer White (IP Logged)
15 January, 2018 20:58
Perhaps given this matter is now sub judice and this is a public forum I think it would be appropriate to cease discussing anything relating to culpabiliy in this case. Quite apart from anything else a defendant is entitled to have his guilt or innocence discussed and decided by a jury and until such time he is considered innocent of any charges and may still be afterwards.

 
Loyal of Lhasa
Re: 2018 ENGLAND CRICKET
Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
15 January, 2018 22:55
I agree with that wise approach, Farmer, but if he is to end up having to do some kind of cimnunity service perhaps it could be bowling to kids at Nevil Road for twelve hours. That sounds like punishment enough.



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Tom Seymour
Re: 2018 ENGLAND CRICKET
Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
15 January, 2018 23:08
If he is found guilty, I say the E C B should ban him from ever representing England again. The game doesn't need him at that level. Let him do his time working for Durham.



A glass half - empty or a glass half - full?
Regardless, both glasses need filling up.

 
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Re: 2018 ENGLAND CRICKET
Grockle (IP Logged)
16 January, 2018 05:25
As much as I probably agree with some kind of ban should it go against Stokes I think the last couple of months have proved very solidly that there is a need for probably more than one 'Stokes' at 'that level'.

He is most certainly one of the two things England missed very much during the Aussie long format series.

In agreement with Farmer. Please do not discuss the aspects of the case here if possible. Mr Stokes is innocent until proven guilty and has his right to his day in court.

From reading around this it seems that if the matter stays in the Magistrates court then it is usually a fine and some form of community service with a maximum of 6 months for serious stuff. If it gets kicked up to a higher court then it is a different matter though.



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Somerset LaLaLa
Re: 2018 ENGLAND CRICKET
Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
16 January, 2018 07:44
Humphrey Appleby to Trevor Bayliss: "So the Ashes defeat is down to Stokes and no questions will be asked of anyone else"
Bayliss replies: "If the team ain't broke don't fix it, see you in April"

 
Shepton Paul 2
Re: 2018 ENGLAND CRICKET
Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
16 January, 2018 09:49
I would suggest that affray is relatively minor (tho that doesn't excuse it) and, if found guilty, Stokes will have served the cricket-related element of any sentence during this winter (Sept-Aprilish, seven Tests plus ODIs and T20s), and therefore be available again as soon as the court has decided.

 
cricketjerry-mouse
Re: 2018 ENGLAND CRICKET
cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
16 January, 2018 11:06
Nine of the 12 posts on this site since Mike TA1`s at 15.27 yesterday are so prejudicial to a fair trial for Ben Stokes that the defence would be quite entitled to approach the bench before the trial opens and say it is impossible for Stokes to get a fair trial.

Only the posts of chuckyinargyll (15.55 yesterday), Mike TAI (17.47 yesterday) and Somerset LaLaLa (7.44 today) do not fall into this category, and one even opens the option for the prosecution to also say their case would not get a fair hearing.

The option for the judge in cases like this used to be to switch the hearing away from Bristol to the other end of the country, were a jury was unlikely to have read any of the comments. But the universal aspect of the internet now makes this much more difficult.

What posters should also remember is that the judge has the power to call before him anyone who has made a prejudicial remark public (for example in a newspaper, tv or online) before the case starts, ask him or her for an explanation and if he feels so inclined punish the offender.

In more years than I care to remember covering court cases, I have seen this sanction taken against editors and others - one famous case being a newspaper headline `Joe Bloggs in Court Again`, immediately letting the world know that Joe Bloggs had previous convictions.

 
chunkyinargyll
Re: 2018 ENGLAND CRICKET
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
17 January, 2018 12:47
Stokes available for New Zealand.

[www.bbc.co.uk]

 
Grizzzly
Re: 2018 ENGLAND CRICKET
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
17 January, 2018 15:35
Seems somewhat perverse to me.

If he is OK to play now, notwithstanding being charged with an offence, why was he not cleared to play in the Ashes ?

Grizzzly

 
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2018 ENGLAND CRICKET
Following on (IP Logged)
17 January, 2018 16:54
I appreciate the concept of innocent until proven guilty, but you must be innocent at the point no charge has been brought, so I agree totally with Grizzly!

 
chunkyinargyll
Re: 2018 ENGLAND CRICKET
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
18 January, 2018 07:49
A piece by Nick Hoult, which explains the reasoning behind Stokes' reinstatement.

[www.stuff.co.nz]

 
Grizzzly
Re: 2018 ENGLAND CRICKET
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
18 January, 2018 15:24
Thanks Chunky.

All the article does however, is confirm that a man is innocent until proven guilty & that it could be regarded as a restraint of trade if he is restricted from playing whilst the legal process takes it's course.

All of which is entirely logical and all of which surely also applied before he was charged.

So what was the logic in not selecting him for the Ashes tour ?

Grizzzly

 
Mike BOS
Re: 2018 ENGLAND CRICKET
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
23 January, 2018 23:02
From the BBC site.

Surrey all-rounder Sam Curran has been added to the England squad for the Twenty20 tri-series against co-hosts Australia and New Zealand next month, joining his brother Tom in the squad.


I didn't think they would keep those two separated for long.

 
Tom Seymour
Re: 2018 ENGLAND CRICKET
Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
23 January, 2018 23:30
Surely then to be followed by the Overton Bros.



A glass half - empty or a glass half - full?
Regardless, both glasses need filling up.

 
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Re: 2018 ENGLAND CRICKET
Grockle (IP Logged)
24 January, 2018 04:23
Didn't they expect him to be charged with a more serious crime at the time?

Was there any chance that he might be required to report to police stations or anything like that had he been charged which would require him to be in England? Just musing on it all.

They didn't have to take him with them, they could have suspended him, paid him and kept him on gardening leave if they had wanted to couldn't they?

I'm not sure this is a 'restraint of trade' issue to be honest. I think it might be more of a 'restraint of victory' if he doesn't play that was the turning factor. They probably could have got around the legal stuff if they had wanted to.

I can't understand why he couldn't continue to play as long as there was no requirement to be resident in the UK. Until he has had his day in court and the judgement has been made then what has changed as far as his ability to pay the game? They did not drop him so they obviously were willing to deal with the media backlash in Oz.... all a bit of what my Granny used to call 'faffing'.



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Re: 2018 ENGLAND CRICKET
Grockle (IP Logged)
28 January, 2018 14:37
When Tom Curran is 'flying' he does look very good.



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cricketjerry-mouse
Re: 2018 ENGLAND CRICKET
cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
28 January, 2018 17:35
Halfway through the Ashes series, Craig Overton,who had been mightily impressive in both his Test appearances, looked nailed on for the Test squad this summer- and will have another chance to shine in New Zealand shortly.

But the fast-bowling competition at both red and white ball level has suddenly hotted up.

Chris Woakes remains a certainty, especially if you add in his batting, as does Ben Stokes, unless a Bristol court decides otherwise. Jimmy Atkinson and Stuart Broad, however, all at once appear slightly vulnerable.

Mark Wood offers sheer speed, as does Liam Plunkett; Tom Curran looked far better today than he has ever done for Surrey (his brother Sam is also in the one-day squad now); Essex`s championship-winning James Porter is with the Lions; Jake Ball showed huge courage at the end today after fainting through heat exhaustion; and what about Reece Topley (if he can keep both fit and his attention away from women`s tennis) and Jamie Overton.

The Anderson/Broad succession line looks rather interesting.

 
Loyal of Lhasa
Re: 2018 ENGLAND CRICKET
Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
28 January, 2018 17:39
It's Jimmy Atkinson I'm worried about!



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Somerset LaLaLa
Re: 2018 ENGLAND CRICKET
Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
28 January, 2018 19:32
Toby Roland-Jones. Players nowadays get plenty of support for back stress fractures including muscle strengthening and modifying bowling technique. Plus rest and recuperation in the sun. Just wait until everyone is fully available for selection, it will be a series to savour

 
Shepton Paul 2
Re: 2018 ENGLAND CRICKET
Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
28 January, 2018 19:54
Anderson's still cutting the mustard; not so sure about Broad.

 
cricketjerry-mouse
Re: 2018 ENGLAND CRICKET
cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
29 January, 2018 13:42
Bypassed Toby Roland-Jones. Good call SLaLaLa.

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