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One Day at a Time
cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
16 May, 2018 10:27
Tom Abell, Roelof van der Merwe, Josh Davey, Jamie Overton, Max Waller and Paul van Meekeren all playing for Somerset Seconds against their Glo`shre counterparts in a One-Day trophy match at Bath today.

Looks like a chance to sort out a few bowling options for the opening Royal London cup fixture at the Oval on Friday.

Cornwall fast bowler George Drissell, who played two matches as a trialist with Somerset Seconds last week, is in the same role for Glo`shire today.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 20/05/2018 12:09 by Grockle.

 
AGod
Re: One Day at a Time
AGod (IP Logged)
16 May, 2018 11:11
With Dom out, it's likely that Max will need to play at the Oval, assuming it's the usual dry surface.

 
AGod
Re: One Day at a Time
AGod (IP Logged)
16 May, 2018 11:26
Completely new look for the board, I see?

I was kicked out, had to get a new password and log back in, and now I see a new format.

 
Following on
One Day at a Time
Following on (IP Logged)
16 May, 2018 11:43
Second XI
The radar not quite working for Paul Van Meekeren - a wicket but seven wides in his first five overs.
Josh on the other hand four overs for four runs with only one maiden.

 
Shepton Paul 2
Re: One Day at a Time
Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
16 May, 2018 11:56
Don't forget that a wide that goes to the boundary counts as four wides - while a too-high bouncer is also a wide - so may not be quite what it seems.

 
AGod
Re: One Day at a Time
AGod (IP Logged)
16 May, 2018 11:58
Yes, probably more likely than seven separate wides, albeit might well still be one lot of four wides, and three others, so not great anyway.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: One Day at a Time
Scrumper (IP Logged)
16 May, 2018 12:06
Quote:
Shepton Paul 2
Don't forget that a wide that goes to the boundary counts as four wides
Five actually.

 
Following on
One Day at a Time
Following on (IP Logged)
16 May, 2018 12:13
Good point chaps - I didn't think of that.

Opps just checked the score card - 15 (fifteen) wides from seven overs!

 
Nailsea_Fizz
Re: One Day at a Time
Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
16 May, 2018 13:04
44 extras out of a total of 107-4.

38 wides recorded🙄

 
AGod
Re: One Day at a Time
AGod (IP Logged)
16 May, 2018 13:12
Okay, so one of two things must, presumably, be true... either:

a) The ball is hooping around corners to the extent that we can't control it

or

b) We are currently being guilty of one of the worst bowling performances imaginable.

And unless we've decided to play this one with a red ball, then the latter seems more likely as the white ball seldom swings?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 16/05/2018 13:18 by AGod.

 
AGod
Re: One Day at a Time
AGod (IP Logged)
16 May, 2018 13:16
I take back anything I said on the 'teams for 50 over thread.'

For this first one, at least, Josh Davey must surely play (IF we rest any of our usual CC seamers) as P Van Meekeren and J Overton seem to have sprayed it everywhere (15 wides for Paul, 10 wides and 2 no-balls for Jamie). Davey no extras conceded at all (other than maybe a leg bye or something)

 
AGod
Re: One Day at a Time
AGod (IP Logged)
16 May, 2018 14:57
I shall be very surprised if I see either of Van Meekeren or Overton, J, on Friday unless there's a very good explanation for this buffet stuff:

[live.nvplay.com]

53 wides. Only Josh Davey, who had exemplary figures of 2-17 from 8.2 overs avoided this incredible epidemic.

Waller and Abell decent overall figures, though also too many wides from those two.

Paul and Jamie went for 5+ an over with a cumulative 31 wides and 2 no-balls between them, and Ben Green threw in another 15 wides. Unreal. Yes, as SP said, there may have been various '4 wides,' in there, but even so .. with 53 total wides, we may - very possibly - have bowled 8 or 9 separate deliveries that went directly to the boundary, without the help of the batsman..

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: One Day at a Time
Grockle (IP Logged)
16 May, 2018 15:31
Must have been bending like a banana!!



(Sm72)

 
Following on
One Day at a Time
Following on (IP Logged)
16 May, 2018 17:13
Another explanation would be tennis ball bounce and the ball sailing over the keeper on the way to the boundary?

 
AGod
Re: One Day at a Time
AGod (IP Logged)
16 May, 2018 17:35
One Gloucs bowler managed to bowl 8 wides in 7 overs, but all of the others combined bowled one total wide.

We were bowled out for 114 and absolutely crushed.

Jamie Cox always used to say that playing at Bath was like an extra away game and hated playing there, and this game seems to have been an unmitigated disaster with both bat and ball.

 
sfwithers
Re: One Day at a Time
sfwithers (IP Logged)
16 May, 2018 18:34
Quote:
AGod
One Gloucs bowler managed to bowl 8 wides in 7 overs, but all of the others combined bowled one total wide.
We were bowled out for 114 and absolutely crushed.

Jamie Cox always used to say that playing at Bath was like an extra away game and hated playing there, and this game seems to have been an unmitigated disaster with both bat and ball.
But Jamie would have played at the Rec and not the North Parade ground they played on today. And from my memory of the Bath Cricket Festival, where I saw most days played from the early 1970s until the 1990s and sporadically after that, Somerset's record wasn't that bad. Or maybe that's just rose-coloured specs...

 
wsm fan
Re: One Day at a Time
wsm fan (IP Logged)
16 May, 2018 21:38
50 over team Friday. Easy.

SD Myby Renshaw Hildy Tom Lewis RVDM Craig Jamie Tim Max
4 proper seamers plus Tom
2 proper spinners plus JM

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: One Day at a Time
Scrumper (IP Logged)
16 May, 2018 21:51
Tregs for Tim?

 
wsm fan
Re: One Day at a Time
wsm fan (IP Logged)
16 May, 2018 22:01
I would not be against that.
He obviously does bowl but in recent seasons has rarely if ever been used with the ball.
Therefore if Tregs plays (or Banton) we have to assume it is for batting only as we know very unlikely to bowl based on recent evidence.
I like Lewis & Rvdm at 6/7. Both are very able batters and too good just to be used as finishers.
Craig & Jamie bit hitters for 8&9 and if we need 10+11 we arent winning too often.

 
AGod
Re: One Day at a Time
AGod (IP Logged)
16 May, 2018 22:02
You don't think that Jamie's participation in today's wides extravaganza suggests that he needs rather more bowling then, WSM?

The figures strongly suggest that Josh Davey did miles better than Jamie did today and so, IMO, he has a far stronger case for playing at the Oval. After all, Davey's figures suggest that he has his radar back after injury. Jamie's only FC game of this season, vs Ireland, did not suggest that and nor does today's trip to Bath seem to have suggested that. I'd suggest that he needs some significant bowling in the seconds before he is in sufficient rhythm to play for the firsts.

 
wsm fan
Re: One Day at a Time
wsm fan (IP Logged)
16 May, 2018 22:11
Nope.
Were you there today and saw how all the extras from various bowlers were achieved? I assume not therefore unfair to guess as to how each bowled purely on a scorecard alone.
I too suspect Davey will play but wouldnt be my choice. Very often the middle overs go quiet. In a 6/7 man attack i want options. Jamie is different, as is Max. If its flat (which quite likely at the Oval) i want that extra speed option. Bats better too.

 
AGod
Re: One Day at a Time
AGod (IP Logged)
16 May, 2018 22:43
One can surmise that those that bowled a ton of wides (which was all of the seamers bar Josh, and to a lesser extent Tom) failed, one way or another to exhibit sufficient control. One doesn't need to have been there to divine that, WSM.

I'm not sure the reason greatly matters.

 
wsm fan
Re: One Day at a Time
wsm fan (IP Logged)
16 May, 2018 22:55
If the keeper let through easy leg side takes it turns 1 wide into 4. Jamie especially and Meeks are sharp, a few short balls could have gone over the keeper. Clearly margins in 1 dayers far tighter too so an inch past leg stump is wide and attempted wide yorkers easily can too.
At Daveys medium pace its clearly far easier to not biwl wides.
It's a bit risk reward i guess.
Mid innings i want the Jamie option, we have the medium line and length base covered.

 
AG on apple
Re: One Day at a Time
AG on apple (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 10:29
WSM - If the 'keeper 'let through easy leg-side takes,' then these would have been recorded as byes, would they not?

Let's face it, these days umpires *always* blame the keepers, by awarding byes for awful deliveries from bowlers which the 'keepers had no chance of stopping.

It's possible that one or two bouncers could have gone over the keeper's head (if the pitch was absurdly bouncy which, in itself sounds unlikely) BUT, sensible bowlers would note this and adjust accordingly (there is, after all, zero point in bowling bouncers if the track is such a trampoline that they balloon miles over the batsman's head)

It seems very unlikely that we bowled 53 separate wides and far more likely that there were, indeed, multiple cases of 5 wides - perhaps as many as 8 or 9 of them.

Something unusual almost certainly took place - perhaps the run-ups were awkward in some way, shape or form. But, regardless, a day like that seems likely to have done very little for the rhythm and confidence of either Paul or Jamie...... and it would seem prudent to let them get the kinks out in a further second team game, rather than immediately risking them in the firsts.



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Mike BOS
Re: One Day at a Time
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 10:40
If the 'keeper 'let through easy leg-side takes,' then these would have been recorded as byes, would they not?

Are you sure AGod! surely anything bowled down the leg side in a one-day match is a wide! regardless of the wicketkeepers involvement.

if it goes to the boundary it is five wides.

 
BristolRob
Re: One Day at a Time
RadstockRob (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 10:52
I was there and never saw one case of a wide going to the boundary.

Jamie will need a lot more game time before being considered for 1st team selection.

He bowled four individual wides in one over.

Most of the game he was fielding at first slip.

 
Grizzzly
Re: One Day at a Time
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 11:36
Oh dear, not the most encouraging report Rob !

Grizzzly

 
AG on apple
Re: One Day at a Time
AG on apple (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 12:07
Good grief, RR, so we really did bowl something like 53 *separate wides*?

That sounds like an unprecedentedly bad bowling performance - indeed one wonders if we set some kind of unwanted world record by mixing 53 such deliveries in amongst 48.3 (or whatever it was) legitimate deliveries?

 
AG on apple
Re: One Day at a Time
AG on apple (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 12:12
Sorry, Mike, yes you're right that, if it was wided then I guess the whole thing would go down as wides. I don't believe that it's the case that every ball down the leg-side is automatically wided, however, - some are not given, it's a question of both degree and angle, IMO.

Regardless, it doesn't matter anymore as, incredibly, we now know that we really did bowl an utterly absurb number of *individual* wides.

 
cricketjerry-mouse
Re: One Day at a Time
cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 12:15
Surrey may include their latest Kolpak player, South African fast bowler Morne Morkel for the first time against Somerset at The Oval tomorrow. He was injured in his final Test, but fielded twelfth man against Yorkshire at the weekend and has been bowling in the nets.

They are also considering flying Jason Roy and Tom Curran home, if they are not need by their IPL franchises, but this is less likely.

Dean Elgar is available as overseas player until the end of May. Surrey have reached the One-Day Cup final for the last three years, but been beaten on each occasion.

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