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That Bloke With The Dog
Re: Colin Graves, the ECB chairman
02 October, 2018 09:28
Quote:
Grizzzly
The absence of a vote of no confidence in CG’s leadership is what puzzles me.
What is the case for him remaining in his post ? Why do we not hear a clear vision as to the future of first class cricket in England ?

Presumably some must see merits in his abilities and vision to turn things around.

Whatever his talents, they appear remarkably well hidden.

Grizzzly

I'm sure some see merits in his ability to hand out vast sums of money in return for not staging cricket matches. Anyone connected with Glamorgan CCC or Sophia Gardens, for instance, would certainly see a case for Graves remaining in his post.

 
Bagpuss
Re: Colin Graves, the ECB chairman
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
02 October, 2018 09:53
I think they did have some sort of a vote earlier this year. Eighteen counties plus the MCC plus each of the Minor Counties - 41 votes in all. Some of the above are cheaper to encourage to vote for you than others.

 
Loyal of Lhasa
Re: Colin Graves, the ECB chairman
Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
02 October, 2018 10:15
Quote:
Railboy
Surely the whole thing has to be reconsidered. Chairmen were lured into voting for this based on a load of false figures and promises ( sounds very familiar) and now that the whole horrible truth is becoming apparent they must surely realise they have been duped. How do we the fans register our vote of no confidence in the administration of our game?

I really like this coded message that manages not to mention the B word. And the final sentence summarises the frustration that many of us feel about an issue marginally more important than the 100.

 
That Bloke With The Dog
Re: Colin Graves, the ECB chairman
02 October, 2018 14:57
The two issues are similar in that if your only concern is money, then you'd be wanting to stick with Graves and his plans. After all, the Hundred's supporters have made some pretty lurid and plausible threats about this country's cricketing future unless the counties remain committed to the new competition.

If you can see beyond short-term financial gain, and are concerned about the adverse long-term effects of his proposals on what you love, then you'd be looking for ways to leave those commitments asap. Particularly with the financial benefits looking more questionable the more they're examined.

 
Mike BOS
Re: Colin Graves, the ECB chairman
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
31 October, 2018 15:22
I will put this on this thread!

The County championship will feature a 10-team Division One from 2020, with only one team being relegated next year and three going up from Division Two.
The current structure - in place since 2017 - will be reversed, with eight counties to compete in the second tier.
The ECB also confirmed the One-Day Cup will run alongside the new competition - unofficially known as 'The Hundred' - when it launches in July 2020.
[www.bbc.co.uk]

So no overseas players for the 50 over cricket, I doubt if there would be any available, they will be in that other rubbish.

 
Bagpuss
Re: Colin Graves, the ECB chairman
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
31 October, 2018 16:21
No overseas so they can all play in Slog It. Or no overseas that might encourage people to watch county teams rather than Slog It teams.

Have they defined "overseas player" for the post Brexit age yet?

 
Shepton Paul 2
Re: Colin Graves, the ECB chairman
Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
31 October, 2018 16:33
I'm pleased the 50-over comp will run at the same time as the hundred. I've always liked it and now know for certain which one I'll watch - even if (especially if) it's full of young players in county teams. That suits me fine.

Can I propose lovers of more traditional formats come with me, watch the up and coming players, support Somerset - and let's see if we can get bigger crowds for the One Day Cup than for the new-fangled idiocy.

 
Following on
Colin Graves, the ECB chairman
Following on (IP Logged)
31 October, 2018 17:06
Count me in to watch the young 'uns!

 
Loyal of Lhasa
Re: Colin Graves, the ECB chairman
Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
31 October, 2018 21:21
SP: Why do you insist on writing things I always agree with!



LoL

Seventy Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Somerset LaLaLa
Re: Colin Graves, the ECB chairman
Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
31 October, 2018 23:02
The Hundred... something that's being forced on us purely for commercial reasons. We have no memories of this type of stupid competition, it wasn't something that happened when we were kids. There will be a real effort to use it as a marketing tool. It's got nothing to do with cricket and not part of its long tradition at all. The wholesale importing of a commercial idea.

Trick or treat anyone? Scary, spooky, creepy Graves is at your door

 
Grizzzly
Re: Colin Graves, the ECB chairman
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
31 October, 2018 23:10
Does anyone know anyone who will travel to watch the ‘Hundred’ ?

The rest of the proposals are likely the best of a bunch of bad options. Really no idea how the ‘seeding’ system will work, nor how an ‘overseas player’ will be defined re the 50 over competition.

Grizzzly

 
AGod
Re: The Changing World
AGod (IP Logged)
07 November, 2018 13:13
I suspect that some here in London, that I know, who support far-flung counties may go to the odd game at Lord's or the Oval. But same are not what you'd call die-hard county cricket fans and it also depends whether you count a twenty minute tube journey as "travelling."

 
RRANDREWS
Re: Colin Graves, the ECB chairman
Old Boy! (IP Logged)
07 November, 2018 20:10
Quote:
Grizzzly
Does anyone know anyone who will travel to watch the ‘Hundred’ ?
The rest of the proposals are likely the best of a bunch of bad options. Really no idea how the ‘seeding’ system will work, nor how an ‘overseas player’ will be defined re the 50 over competition.

Grizzzly

I wouldn't be prepared to travel to the County Ground in Taunton to watch what is clearly going to be a load of .?.?.?.?..?..?.. silly games for women and children!
Old Boy!

 
57deacon
Re: The Changing World
57deacon (IP Logged)
08 November, 2018 22:34
Some comments to add to the discussion here. Forgive me pasting some tweets but I hope it still adds to the debate here. I’ve seen the draft 2020 fixture schedule and it’s ghastly for traditional cricket I’m afraid.

A few tweets of mine recently:

The tragedy of the 100 is the opportunities we’re going to miss:

1. CC is the best domestic red ball comp in the world.

2. Women’s cricket has huge potential.

3. T20 Blast has >1m fans attending & huge potential

4. 50. We could be World Champions in Men’s AND Women’s game

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With the 100 occupying 6 weeks peak season 2020 there could only be a negative impact for the other 3 competitions.

They’re all degraded & the game awaits to discover what the cost will be in lower attendances, less Members, fewer County sponsors & commercial partners.

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The draft 2020 season schedule confirms many fans’ worst fears:

1. CC mostly in April, May and September (almost into October!)

2. Blast neither a block or ATV. It’s mixed with the CC outside peak season

3. 50 is a mix of 1st & 2nd XI players as a sideshow while 100 is on.

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2 questions fans should ask ECB and their Counties:

1. If the ECB is going to degrade the CC, Blast & 50 what benefits is the 100 going to deliver to English cricket to compensate?

2. Has proper Risk Assurance been used to mitigate risk & confirm the benefits are achievable?

 
Grizzzly
Re: The Changing World
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
09 November, 2018 09:01
I would say 'thank you' 57deacon, but given the contents of the 2020 draft, it really doesn't seem appropriate !

I'm not a religeous person, but the phrase 'forgive them for they know not what they do' springs to mind.....

Grizzzly

 
Following on
The Changing World
Following on (IP Logged)
09 November, 2018 09:19
Thank you 57deacon for the update.

Hasn't the ship sailed in respect of this? The ink is dry on the TV deal, it is going to happen and there is the square root of f*** all we can do about it.

 
Shepton Paul 2
Re: The Changing World
Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
09 November, 2018 09:22
But they MUST know what they're doing! Or how did these people get where they are, or be allowed to put the game at such severe risk in such a way? I think 57deacon's points confirm our (and millions of other cricket followers') worst fears - it's as bad as voting to jump off a cliff not knowing whether you have a parachute or what's at the bottom.

As I said before, I shall do all I can to attend the 50-over games and support Anything But 100.

 
Clarence Parker
Re: The Changing World
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
09 November, 2018 11:20
"2 questions fans should ask ECB and their Counties:"

Have not members of our Club repeatedly made their views known to the CEO's, committee members and Chairmen already, 57deacon?

It is the members and supporters who have been let down by the County representatives on the ECB, who have kowtowed to the likes of Colin Graves and his cohorts without seemingly expressing the serious concerns which are being suggested now.

Lack of foresight or a vested interest?

 
Somerset LaLaLa
Re: The Changing World
Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
09 November, 2018 12:04
57deacon, At least I can plan 2020.

A warm hat and scarf for the first half of the season, find something else to do in the summer on days when there is no 50 over cricket, keep September free for the second half of the Championship season.

Fortunately there are plenty of other sporting options for the summer but none really quite match the thrill of watching Somerset.

I look forwards to a substantial reduction in membership and general admission prices.

There is nothing else I can do.

Thanks

 
cricketjerry-mouse
Re: The Changing World
cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
09 November, 2018 17:48
It is just not true, Following On, that the ink is dry on the TV deal and the £1.3 million promised to each county is in the bank.

The sports sponsorship market is in rapid downfall, and the Hundred sponsors will most certainly have a `get out` clause.

A year ago the Rugby Union turned down a £14 million annual offer from RBS to sponsors the 2019 Six Nations. Now it has just gone to a leading London law firm for well shy of £6 million (trust a leading London law firm to win a race to the bottom).

This is after negotiating with around 100 multi-national, quite a number of whom replied that they were keeping their petty cash in hand for the time being to combat the 2020 Brexit economic downturn.

 
RRANDREWS
Re: The Changing World
Old Boy! (IP Logged)
11 November, 2018 10:39
Quote:
57deacon
Some comments to add to the discussion here....................

Grateful thanks to 57deacon for an excellent summary of the horrors to come. If only there were more at ECB level with his grasp of how the real cricket supporters feel. The quote that still sticks in my mind is that "100" is for mothers and kids to enjoy!! Presumably no thought to the rest of the cricket fraternity! 25% of the season in the height of summer given over to entertainment which is best described as - toytown play games - means that our leaders must have a death wish. Can we not sack them before the whole of summer is given over to some real stuff for mother and kids - American football because nobody with any sense is interested in watching "100" rubbish. My original suggestion of little holes all over the pitch with bunnies sticking their heads up at unexpected times has never been taken up!!
Old Boy!

 
nelliec
Re: The Changing World
nelliec (IP Logged)
11 November, 2018 13:37
The draft 2020 season schedule confirms many fans’ worst fears:

1. CC mostly in April, May and September (almost into October!
2. Blast neither a block or ATV. It’s mixed with the CC outside peak season
3. 50 is a mix of 1st & 2nd XI players as a sideshow while 100 is on.

Alternative 2020 schedule could be;
1. CC to be played entity during April,May,June and most of July.
2. 50 to be played alongside CC against the same opposition in the same week.(to be renamed the JPL league-Just for People who Love Cricket League)
3.Blast in a block last two weeks July and first 3 in August.
4.Play offs in JPL and Blast last week of August first week of September.
5.The rest of September given over to the ECB to do with as they want, using whoever they want



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