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England selectors
Seaxe_Man (IP Logged)
13 March, 2018 15:37
Reported in today's Telegraph Sport by Nick Hoult. Headline 'Whitaker removed as Head Selector ECB brings in selection shake-up.

Whitaker leaves his job at the end of March.

Salient points.

ECB to advertise for a replacement this week known as the National Selector.

This person will appoint a deputy. This person, will be, as his boss will be, independent.

That is to say that the can be no county jobs as well.ie no wearing two hats. This to ensure that there is no conflict of interest. A point of contention in the past.

This rules out current directors of cricket and or coaches.

This means that Angus Fraser and Mike Newell if they want a job in the new set-up, will have to stand down from their existing jobs.

Andrew Strauss has been looking at the current set-up since 2015. The Ashes defeat one assumes has sparked changes.

Fraser and Newell remain in place until the new set-up is active.

We await with interest the outcome.

 
Re: England selectors
Jonathan Winsky (IP Logged)
13 March, 2018 19:49
The BBC article on this says that the new system will consist of a chairman of selectors and at least 12 ‘discipline-specific scouts’. I assume this means that each scout will be assigned a region (e.g. north, south, east or west) and a discipline (e.g. batting, wicket-keeping, fast bowling, spin bowling etc.), and they will have responsibly to report on the performances of various players and the likelihood of certain players being suited to international cricket.

The rule that members of this team will no longer be allowed to combine their role with being employed by a county will increase the amount of jobs available in English cricket.

It is understandable why Angus Fraser gets accused of having a conflict of interest while being an England selector and Middlesex managing director of cricket. However, his tendency to attend day one of our County Championship matches and spend the other days watching other counties meant that he clearly gets lots of opportunities to watch a great deal of potential England players, which defeats any perception that the only players he ever sees are those playing for or against Middlesex. He certainly sees more county cricket than Trevor Bayliss, who sometimes comes across as not knowing a great deal about the players he coaches! If Gus has to choose between keeping his role with Middlesex or his role with England (assuming both organisations wish to keep him, otherwise there would be no decision for him to make), hopefully he will choose to remain with Middlesex, as I am not sure who else could perform the role he has at Middlesex.

We will have to see whether the changes will boost England’s performances, particularly when they play in the sub-continent or Australia. We will also have to see whether the changes will result in a wider range of players being called-up, as England are often accused of being more likely to recall tried and tested players than call-up an uncapped player. For example, it was a surprise when Gary Ballance and Nick Compton were recalled, and it was no surprise when their recalls ended up being short-lived.

 
Re: England selectors
Patsy_Hendren (IP Logged)
18 April, 2018 11:45
It will be interesting to see how the ECB fare with this revised format.

We were supposed to be seeing a National Selection Committee replaced by a National Selector. However that format expanded. Let us hope that actually goes as planned this time.

We will hope that the best available candidate will secure the National Selector's position although I am personally reluctant to sacrifice Angus Fraser from his current role at Middlesex.

 
Re: England selectors
Seaxe_Man (IP Logged)
19 April, 2018 12:14
Reported in today's Telegraph that Strauss 'opts for Ed Smith as new chief Selector'

Goes onto say there was a shortlist of four. Smith, Pringle, Selvey and Newell.

Smith will now appoint a full-time deputy and a panel of scouts ( regional and probably 12 in number) reporting to him. Trevor Bayliss the coach will remain a full-time selector.

Root was not consulted on the appointment.

Strauss asked candidates to make a presentation on whether selection was an art or science.

It appears that Smith likes to use a stats type database to assist with selection.

Strauss presumably agrees on that.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 19/04/2018 12:51 by Seaxe_Man.

 
Ed Smith set for National Selector role
Patsy_Hendren (IP Logged)
18 April, 2018 15:04
It has been widely reported by the BBC and other websites that the former Middlesex captain Ed Smith will replace James Whitaker as National Selector. He is set to work with the current coach Trevor Bayliss and will head a network of twelve scouts.

 
Re: Ed Smith set for National Selector role
BREARS (IP Logged)
18 April, 2018 18:15
Some people just go through life falling from one bed of roses into another

 
Re: Ed Smith set for National Selector role
Jonathan Winsky (IP Logged)
18 April, 2018 20:14
To appoint Ed Smith as England’s National Selector seems left-field considering he hasn’t had a great deal of involvement with the organisation of cricket since his retirement in 2008, although he was a consultant to Royal Challengers Bangalore when they were runners-up in the 2016 IPL. However, to appoint someone who has a different perspective to that of the more obvious candidates could turn out to be beneficial.

Smith’s time at Middlesex came just before I began becoming aware of the politics of the club, so I am probably not particularly qualified on what exactly happened in 2008, when he suffered an injury in a Twenty20 match v Essex at Lord’s but continued batting with a runner, and he said he hoped to return to playing either before the end of that season or in the Stanford Super Series, but then ended up making no further professional appearances. It felt very strange. I heard that he can rub people up the wrong way, as is evidenced by an infamous incident at Worcester where he was in an argument with Andrew Symonds and Rob Key during his days at Kent. However, Smith and Toby Radford are credited with masterminding our Twenty20 title win in 2008, so he clearly has a great cricket brain, which must have helped him get his new role.

It will be interesting to see who are other people involved in the new England set-up will be.

 
Re: Ed Smith set for National Selector role
Leprechaun (IP Logged)
19 April, 2018 17:20
Two threads about England selector have been merged

 
Re: England selectors
Patsy_Hendren (IP Logged)
23 April, 2018 08:38
It will be interesting to hear about Mr Smith's proposed deputy when the time comes.

 
Re: England selectors
Lifer (IP Logged)
24 April, 2018 16:07
Smith was entirely responsible for Compton's departure to Somerset. Whatever you think of Compo now we could ill afford to lose him then

 
Re: England selectors
Jonathan Winsky (IP Logged)
22 May, 2018 23:32
Six scouts who will report to Ed Smith have been announced. They are Marcus Trescothick, James Taylor, Chris Read, Glen Chapple, Steve Rhodes and Richard Dawson.

I thought these scouts were supposed to have no affiliation to a county, which is why Angus Fraser had to choose between continuing as a selector or continuing his role at Middlesex. However, Chapple and Dawson presently coach Lancashire and Gloucestershire respectively, and Trescothick is still a Somerset player (although he is currently sidelined with a foot injury, from which I hope he recovers, as it would be sad if his career has come to a sudden and unceremonious end). Before going on three month’s leave to support his family while his wife Ruth receives a new round of cancer treatment, during his time Andy Flower will take over his duties, Andrew Strauss addressed the issue about the scouts possibly having a conflict of interest, saying that the scouts involved with a county will not compile reports on their own players.

As the original intention was to appoint 12 scouts, I don’t know if more will be announced in due course.

I wish the Strauss family the very best in the coming period.

 
Re: England selectors
BeefyRoberts (IP Logged)
23 May, 2018 00:55
Thoughts are with Ruth,Andrew and family at this time as Andrew steps back to stay with his family.
Some things are far more important than cricket.
Hope the family stay strong at this time.

 
Re: England selectors
Seaxe_Man (IP Logged)
23 May, 2018 13:46
Well said Beefy. JW. It is the Selectors who cannot be affiliated to a county. The scouts can be, but cannot report on players at their own club according to the Telegraph Sport.

James Taylor and Steve Rhodes are not currently involved with a county. Six more scouts to appoint.

Ed Smith has yet to appoint his National Deputy.


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