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Members Consultation.
BeefyRoberts (IP Logged)
09 July, 2018 20:27
Who has received the Members Consultation in the post?
Having only just seen it,will need a thoroughly good read to see what is going on.

 
Re: Members Consultation.
adelaide (IP Logged)
09 July, 2018 21:24
On a quick read it sounds like if you don't organise a certain way you're probably ruled out from certain sources of funding (not just ECcool smiley. There's quite a bit in there about better reflecting the make up of the area and indeed of the cricket-playing community. Or to put it another way, about time "gammon" stopped re-electing itself!


Adelaide

Edited - how do I stop the initials of the governing body coming out as EC followed by a honey bee?



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Re: Members Consultation.
Jonathan Winsky (IP Logged)
09 July, 2018 21:25
It seems that the main purpose of this consultation is to make suggestions about the governance of cricket within Middlesex, with a members' forum taking place on Thursday 30th August for further questions to be asked on this subject.

The proposals sound like a good idea, as it would only be a good thing if more funding could be received for cricket projects within the county and if there could be more diversity around the club. However, I don’t think I will respond to the consultation, which is not due to having a lack of interest in the subject, but because I don’t feel that I have much to say which will be of interest to the club.

It wouldn’t surprise me if most of our members reacted to hearing about the consultation by thinking to themselves that they are more concerned about the 1st XI’s so-far unsatisfactory season, and unless we enter 30th August on the back of an upturn in our County Championship results and/or preparing for Twenty20 finals day, it wouldn't surprise me if those attending the forum are more interested in talking about cricket than the governance of the club.

 
Re: Members Consultation.
Jack Hearne (IP Logged)
10 July, 2018 19:50
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BeefyRoberts
Who has received the Members Consultation in the post?
Having only just seen it,will need a thoroughly good read to see what is going on.

Thank you, Beefy. Yes, I have received this. We are all encouraged to have our say. Perhaps some of our ideas may see the light of day.

The ECB, Sport England and the National Lottery Fund are very particular how they distribute their funds.

Some of the ideas sound better than others. There promises to be a mix of appointed and elected directors - some independent, non-independent and cricket-related. It is proposed that we will be able to elect three (instead of six) board directors.

 
Re: Members Consultation.
Seaxe_Man (IP Logged)
13 July, 2018 12:46
The proposal to give MCB Clubs two board seats is no bad idea. They support us and giving them a say is justified.

Down to three elected members voted for by MX members. I would like to see that being clarified as to 'not wearing' two hats but just one'.

Always tricky wearing two hats.

The money question, grants etc, very important to a Club who financially struggle to keep itself in the black on a regular basis. Deals not driven hard enough.

 
Re: Members Consultation.
Darren Gosling (IP Logged)
19 July, 2018 22:43
Unfortunately this has come about a decade too late.

Too many Middx Committee members also wearing MCC ties has meant the conflict of interests have gone heavily in the MCC's favour.
In the 9 years Phil Edmonds was Chairman we made a profit EVERY season, with the total profit for this period £1.7m.
In the decade since Edmonds' departure we have rarely made a profit with the total losses for this period totaling £750,000.

Yet this period includes the so-called boom years of sell out T20 matches at Lords.
Gross profit on alcohol sales alone would clear half a million per T20 match and there are 5 at Lords this season.
Ironic considering the first two seasons of T20 the MCC turned their red and yellow noses up at the competition and refused us to play any T20 matches at Lords.

Having later realised what a cash cow T20 was they now of course can't get enough of it - with a francaise to follow of course at Lords. So how come Middx continue to make a loss from the wonderful deal with have with the MCC.
Because we have been royally screwed over that's why.

Another point that should be highlighted is that in 1999 the MCC overnight took away the advertising revenue for OUR matches at Lords. Looking at this revenue stream in the 10 years before it was taken away - the amount would have seen us break even for the last decade had we still had it.
Yet another massive failing on the Middx committee, Phil Edmonds was livid at the time but seemed to be the only one to voice his disapproval.

However they want to re-structure the committee moving forward I feel it is all too late now. The advent of the London based franchaise does I'm afraid all but spell the end of Middx at Lords and along with it our major sponsors who won't be sponsoring us once we are predominantly playing at outgrounds only.

The Middx committees of yesteryear have already done irreparable damage and no amount of restrucring is going to put right years of weak leadership and poor decison making.

 
Re: Members Consultation.
Seaxe_Man (IP Logged)
20 July, 2018 12:01
The ethnicity and gender requirement plus two seats for the MCB, the unintended circumstances of which, may bring about the balance in the Board which is sorely needed Darren.

The 200grand agreement, which is too one sided is one example.

And the November 1999 meeting with Phil Edmonds over the cancellation of our revenue share of advertising I well remember.

The author of that coup de grace was a certain A.R.Lewis of Glamorgan who was looking round for some cash to set up the MCC website.

As you say, PH Edmonds was incandescent with rage. And as you say, a big reason for MX being in the red since then on most occasions..

 
Re: Members Consultation.
Jonathan Winsky (IP Logged)
18 August, 2018 20:59
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Jonathan Winsky
a members' forum taking place on Thursday 30th August for further questions to be asked on this subject

This forum is less than two weeks’ away. It will start 30 minutes after the close of day two of the Middlesex v Sussex match.

I am still unconvinced that our members will see governance as amongst the most pressing issues at the club.

 
Re: Members Consultation.
Seaxe_Man (IP Logged)
24 August, 2018 19:05
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Jonathan Winsky
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Jonathan Winsky
a members' forum taking place on Thursday 30th August for further questions to be asked on this subject

This forum is less than two weeks’ away. It will start 30 minutes after the close of day two of the Middlesex v Sussex match.

I am still unconvinced that our members will see governance as amongst the most pressing issues at the club.

Well they should do JW, for a number of reasons,given the events on and off the field of the past few years.

The much trumpeted £200,000 agreement has failed as the accounts show losses year on year since its inception.

Meanwhile I would hazard a guess that gate receipts have risen significantly since we sold those along with the shop.

Plus we are also supplying more days cricket at Lords for the same price than when the agreement was struck.

The failure to replace the lost advertising revenue with a share of the booze another gaff.

The Board itself is unbalanced in that regard. Of the six voted for at the last election ( one has since resigned ). Five of those have a conflict of interest ie they wear two hats. That is 80%+ of the Board.

We need to rebalance that with a greater MX presence, as we are now down to three members only to elect.

The onfield problems are plain to see but one assumes that The Board are ultimately responsible for that as they run the Club.

The two new MCB members may be a move in the right direction as we use four outgrounds in addition to Lords.

Ethnicity and gender also have to play a part in the new Board's makeup.

So, JW, food for thought.

 
Re: Members Consultation.
Seaxe_Man (IP Logged)
31 August, 2018 20:06
The turnout was 25 or so. Questions lasted until 8pm. Our ex player and Secretary Tim Lamb as then was, attended and imparted some useful information with regard to Sport England and ECB requirements.

Around 100 emails received from members raising points re governance. Committee have read and digested and will return with proposals.

 
Re: Members Consultation.
Primrose Hillbilly (IP Logged)
02 September, 2018 17:41
That's the Rt Hon Tim Lamb, second son of the Duke of somewhere or another .......?

I have pleasant memories of him coming in as nightwatchman vs Notts in '76 and making about that as a score too.

However ....... hmmmm ........ he feels a bit too much like an establishment man / plant to me, and we need some fairly radical thinking.

PHE's fee for consultancy would probably be too commercial for our budget, but I am very interested to hear what Darren has told us about his time as a Chairman.

 
Re: Members Consultation.
Seaxe_Man (IP Logged)
03 September, 2018 14:04
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Primrose Hillbilly
That's the Rt Hon Tim Lamb, second son of the Duke of somewhere or another .......?
I have pleasant memories of him coming in as nightwatchman vs Notts in '76 and making about that as a score too.

However ....... hmmmm ........ he feels a bit too much like an establishment man / plant to me, and we need some fairly radical thinking.

PHE's fee for consultancy would probably be too commercial for our budget, but I am very interested to hear what Darren has told us about his time as a Chairman.

A potted history of Phil Edmonds for you Primrose Hill Billy.

Came down from Cambridge with Dudley Owen-Thomas early seventies.. Mike Brearley had a look at both in the nets and decided Edmonds was the one for MX. Owen-Thomas was sent to the Mexicans.

Turned out to be a good call. Formed a superb spin twin partnership with John Emburey which had much to do with our success from the mid seventies until the late eighties.

Played either form of cricket equally well when we had a team that competed in one day cricket.

Eventually his business interests caused him to request becoming an amateur in 1987 so that he could pick his matches. This was refused, so he retired.

Luckily back then, unlike now, there was a ready made replacement called Phil Tufnell who 15 years later trod the same path at PHE. There was no ready made replacement which has persisted to this day..

Edmonds ticked a lot of boxes to be called an 'Establishment Man ' but he never was either as a player or administrator.

Rather he liked taking them on and had a feisty relationship with Mike Brearley at both county and England level.

Took 125 Test wickets I seem to recall. Plus had a bust up with Brears at the WACA Test in I think 1978/9.

Lost the MX vice captaincy when he reacted to Boycott's slow scoring in the 100 overs for first innings days.

As a Chairman of Middlesex, he ran the Club as a business we hear. Hence profitable in his time.

Again not an establishment man, he put MX interests before the red and yellow ties as eptimised in the Lewis advertising saga.

Incandescent a fair description of his mood at the November 1999 meeting, when the news was broken to MX members.

The 150th MX anniversary celebration, we hear that PHE could not be contacted. Last heard ofin South Sudan where he had an interest in gas/oil recovery.

Overall a decent Chairman of MX who wanted MX to succeed. Eventually business interests caused his withdrawal.

 
Re: Members Consultation.
Seaxe Boy (IP Logged)
03 September, 2018 17:30
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Primrose Hillbilly
That's the Rt Hon Tim Lamb, second son of the Duke of somewhere or another .......?

The Honourable Tim Lamb is the second son of the late Baron Rochester (1916-2017) and a younger brother of the 3rd Baron.

 
Re: Members Consultation.
Primrose Hillbilly (IP Logged)
04 September, 2018 00:20
Thanks, Roy.

PHE - born Lusaka, Zambia, Ed Gilbert Rennie HS, Cranbrook School, then Fitzwilliam Coll, Cambridge, was my boyhood idol.

I'd say your summary is broadly accurate.Brearley liked him because he saw in Him - as well as being a possible bowling all rounder- a new breed of more aggressive cricketer, and part of the new intake that would help him move the likes of JT Murray on. They initially got on very well.

I still have the book on him that broke Simon Barnes as a sports writer called "A Singular Man".

The financial press still seize on any story even peripherally involving him as an excuse to brighten up their pages with a picture of him in his sporting pomp.

His latest venture that I've heard of is called "White Nile plc", I believe.

Goweer said it was just as well PHE and his wife, Frances, married each other, otherwise there would be 4 unhappy people in the world. Sadly, that may now be a possibility, as I understand they are no longer together.



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Re: Members Consultation.
Primrose Hillbilly (IP Logged)
04 September, 2018 00:47
Thanks, Seaxe Boy.

Tim Lamb being the second son, I'd like think he was someone's brother too!

 
Re: Members Consultation.
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
04 September, 2018 06:39
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