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Cricinfo and Bias
By Chandra
June 1 2007
Recently, Percy Sonn passed away. He was only 57 - a young age in these modern times. The passing away of someone, anyone, is always a sad affair unless of course the person is a dictator or a criminal. Percy Sonn was no such thing; he was the President of ICC, the organization that has a monopoly on World Cricket.

It is unclear how much power Mr. Sonn wielded as President, since the organization is generally run by Mr. Malcolm Speed, the CEO of ICC. One might wonder, in such modern times, how an organization entrusted to safeguard world cricket and given a monopoly to set the rules by which all the cricket playing nations in the world participate, can have an appointed CEO as opposed to being elected. But that is a different topic altogether.

The topic at hand is Andrew Miller's article eulogizing Percy Sonn. Cricinfo is a site I usually visit to get my daily fix of cricket news (the only sport I follow with any regularity) and I come across this article by Miller, who is the UK editor of cricinfo. The article, titled Worse to follow, is a hatchet job, not of Percy Sonn, but of the Asian Cricket playing nations in general and Indian cricket in particular. I have come across many such hatchet jobs in the past -- Andrew Miller is an expert practitioner of this craft, Martin Williamson is another, albeit not as prolific. Lest we be comforted by the fact that there are reporters of Indian origin in the company (including Anand Vasu, Dileep Premachandran and Sambit Bal) and that they can provide a couterpoint to Miller's and Williamson's blatant bias, we will be disappointed. These reporters, Indian origin or not, know how to tow the company line.

I have posted many comments on their website in the past only to be treated with rudeness and hostility. Be that as it may, my latest beef is about the article on Percy Sonn. Never mind that up until Sonn's death, he was caricatured, ridiculed and blamed for almost everything that was wrong with the ICC (and believe me there is plenty wrong with the ICC), but after his death Miller turns him into a lover of cricket, a good backroom negotiator, very forthright in his opinion and someone who commanded great respect from the people he worked with. Whether this is really true of Sonn or not, I have no way of knowing. But what is clear is that Miller's article is a whitewash. Miller may do all the washing he wants but if the ICC is rotten, a whitewashing will not help much.

That the ICC is rotten is not a hard case to make. Even Cricinfo in all its collosal lack of wisdom says so. In fact, Miller has written several articles to this effect in the past.

Aside from bemoaning the loss of Sonn, Miller now predicts that things are going to get worse at the ICC. According to Miller the problem has to do with the possibility of Sharad Pawar becoming the next President of ICC, and the corollary that the "Asian Bloc" will take over control of the ICC.

To digress for a minute, Asian Bloc is a term I hate. We don't call the bloc formed by England, Australia and New Zealand the "White Bloc" or the "European Derivatives Bloc." Miller has a term for them, "the establishment" - a nice wholesome, feed-it-to-your-kids kind of term. Whereas Asian Bloc implies some sort of conspiratorial organization, synonymous with the Mafia, which can only be talked about in adult circles with a look of concern and consternation on one's face.

Miller goes on with his usual fare - obfuscation, equivocation and outright baseless charges against India. All of a sudden, he is concerned that the ICC will start making decisions based on financial considerations instead of ones based on the good of cricket. As if this is something new and peculiarly Asian/Indian.

The implication is obvious: all this time,we have been treated to exemplary adminstration but once Pawar comes into the forray, things will change forever. The same administration headed by Malcolm Speed (a cynical, legalistic, bean-counting hypocrite to characterize him mildly) and Sonn were the ones most responsible for the WC07 debacle (a term used by observers in the non-Asian bloc countries no less). Oh, and there were other debacles under these gentlemen's watch - let's count them: Woolmer's murder, Zimbabwe cricket's disaster, Australian boycott of Zimbabwe tour, player burnout, a rogue umpire pardoned with impunity, an arrogant captain (Ponting) left unscathed after shoving the BCCI chief, unsanctioned equipment used by Gilchrist, persistent and unwarranted scrutiny of Asian players' bowling actions, racial harrasment of non-White players in Australia, and so on and on.

But here, Miller sees no evil and hears no evil. All is forgiven with the passing of Sonn - but only to the extent of the "White Bloc". This forgiveness and generosity does not extend to the "Asian bloc". He barely stresses the fact that Pawar or for that matter any other Asian was in no way responsible for WC07 debacle. This is simply another opportunity for him to take pot shots at Asian countries, specifically India and Pawar. For example, according to Miller it was India's early exit from WC07 that conveniently distanced it from the tournament's failures. What does this mean? Do we then blame Australia for the WC07's failure since they won the cup? If so, Miller doesn't say and if not Miller doesn't specify whom to blame.

Miller does gratuitously mention that financial considerations have been playing a role in ICC's decision making process but a reality check will be forced upon the game which presumably will clean it up and all will be better. Where will this reality check come from? Miller doesn't specify. Apparently one of the issues confronting world cricket is the fact that $1.1 billion that is slated from ESPN Star Sports may not be coming since ESPN has been required to share its broadcasting with Doordarshan. Regardless of the merits or demerits of this issue, wouldn't an Indian at the helm of ICC be better able to deal with this issue particularly given that Speed (and Sonn) have done such a poor job of it? Miller doesn't think so or at least doesn't say so.

The second issue that Miller raises has to do with player dissatisfaction with ICC scheduling too many events - particularly too many farcical events. Miller quotes Richard Bevan the CEO of the English players' body who merely reiterates the age-old complaint of countries voting based on financial considerations. Again, no names are specified leaving the reader to wonder who these countries are and what their agendas are. But the implication is clear: Asian countries don't love cricket - they are motivated by financial considerations whereas English, Aussie and Kiwi (and we can throw in the Proteas and West Indies for good measure since they often side with the "establishment") all love cricket and their actions are noble and beyond reproach. Such cockamamie may boost the egos of the parties involved but can only go so far.

To say that financial considerations should play no part in any decision is ludicrous. Does Miller or Bevan work for free? What is this, some sort of Communist dictatorship? Does Speed not get paid? I don't know how much Speed makes but a figure close to half a million dollars comes to mind. It is well known that over 70% of the money in world cricket comes from India. Would this not indicate a country that loves its cricket? How does one measure love of the game? May be roses and diamonds work when one is trying to woo a member of the opposite sex but would not the fact that I am willing to pay to watch a game indicate that I like the sport?

Miller ends the article by stating that people may have criticized Sonn but now that he is gone, the ICC will have to choose someone else and that the alternative is even less palatable. He thinks Pawar's election to the Presidency is very feasible - all it needs is an African country to vote for Pawar. I am not well versed with the politics of world cricket but reading between the Miller's lines, it is clear that a lot of people in the establishment will be unhappy about this. The motivations for apprehension among Miller, his cohorts and the establishment is unclear. What is clear is this: more than 70% of the revenue comes from India.

Until the Ashes of 2006, cricket in England was losing popularity. It is a well accepted fact in Australia that the subcontinent is the place to be if you want to make money (particularly after retirement). All these are further indications that Asians take their cricket seriously and are willing to put their money where their mouth is. But Miller's mouth (and pen) moves automatically, out of some idealistic pursuit called love of cricket, which ironically, he fails to define. Change is inevitable in every field of human endevour. The horse-and-buggy manufacturer gave way to the automobile manufacturer and so on. Industry, commerce and institutions change and yes even cricket changes. People need to adapt to change regardless of the apprehension and tentativeness it may entail.

One can never be sure what motivates Miller and his cohorts, or what agenda Cricinfo is trying to muster, but if one were to analyze for a minute, one may conclude that all this must derive from a deap seated fear or insecurity - a fear that the brown man may be calling some of the shots. What other conclusion is possible given that there is a consistent attack against anything Asian or Indian, from Miller's pen when it comes to the ICC or cricketing policies? Someone should enlighten Miller that when (and if) Pawar becomes the President, he will still have a job raking muck at Pawar and his beloved "Asian bloc" and at least he may then have some justification to do so.

For the record and to be perfectly clear, I know little about Pawar. Whether Pawar will make a good ICC President or not is hard to tell. From what I have seen of Indian cricket since his rise to the helm as BCCI President, I would say he has been a disaster (as has Malcolm Speed). But that is besides the point. To say that the next President should be chosen based on his qualifications is stating the obvious but for him to be disqualified because he is Indian/Asian is downright racist.

And such cynicism should not be excused - after all a man has just died and this is supposed to be an eulogy - for what it's worth.

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Cricinfo and Bias
Posted by: Indian Cricket Fever (IP Logged)
Date: 01/06/2007 10:43

Cricinfo and Bias

Re: Cricinfo and Bias
Posted by: Anil (IP Logged)
Date: 01/06/2007 11:25

Kudos, that's really well articulated.

Cricinfo consistently has a chip on their shoulder about India, despite the fact that Indian companies heavily sponsor their site (let alone international cricket)! Also an Indian company, at least until recently, owned a significant part of that website.

They regularly slam not just Indian cricket administrators, but also Indian cricketers, Indian fans, and anybody who stands for Indian cricket. Their so-called Indian correspondents are well trained to follow their lead.

A legendary trick they use is to show the likes of Tendulkar being bowled as an illustration in an article about his century or double century, or Ganguly ducking a bouncer accompanying an article describing his top performance in SA. They use every trick in the book (and many not in the book) to demean Indians.

I'm waiting for them to slam the color of Indian money, but strangely they (and ICC people such as Malcom Speed) don't seem to have a problem with that.

Re: Cricinfo and Bias
Posted by: SurmaBhopali (IP Logged)
Date: 01/06/2007 11:57

Andrew Miller is a patronising chooth. I think so many lines dedicated to him gives more resect to that sob. Read the article from him on the opening ceremony of the recent WC. He ridicules world culture alien to him, even we all do, but he does it with flair and attitude of a white riding on a high elephant in a african safari.

Re: Cricinfo and Bias
Posted by: Birbal (IP Logged)
Date: 01/06/2007 14:10

Surma such stuff still sells in India... SKC...my dear chap...and all that rot...

Btw, nice article Chandra... I hope you keep it up...

Kinda like keeping the light on in the kitchen.. or at least switching it on from time to time...enough to make the roaches scurry...smiling smiley

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Re: Cricinfo and Bias
Posted by: Gabbar (IP Logged)
Date: 01/06/2007 20:19

Excellent read and well said

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Re: Cricinfo and Bias
Posted by: anu_D (IP Logged)
Date: 01/06/2007 21:05

ICF is dignifying c.rap by giving them headline space

Re: Cricinfo and Bias
Posted by: Max (IP Logged)
Date: 02/06/2007 06:03

Brilliant article...thanks for sharing Chandra.

Many of us here @ ICF have been saying this all along about ICC and it's mouthpiece Cr@pinfo. Their racism/double standards is disgusting and needs to stopped ASAP. The first step to be taken is the removal of Malcolm Speed, as your article says in its first paragraph:

Quote:
It is unclear how much power Mr. Sonn wielded as President, since the organization is generally run by Mr. Malcolm Speed, the CEO of ICC. One might wonder, in such modern times, how an organization entrusted to safeguard world cricket and given a monopoly to set the rules by which all the cricket playing nations in the world participate, can have an appointed CEO as opposed to being elected.

Who appointed Speed and the so called 'ICC Management Team', that is made up almost exclusively by Australians and Englishmen? It's this Management team that has real control of the ICC, and from where the double standards stems.

And they are not just racist, but also incompetent...a fact that is proven beyond doubt by all the recent debacles (World Cup 07, Zimbabwe, Aussie players unruly behaviour, etc as listed in the article above), things cannot possibly get worse. The ICC Management team is the one to be held responsible, and it has to be dismantled and given equal representation from all countries (not just England and Australia).

For further info, you can refer the small piece I wrote last year:

ICC Management Team

Re: Cricinfo and Bias
Posted by: Max (IP Logged)
Date: 02/06/2007 06:06

By the way, I think the headline of the article should have also included 'ICC'. The ICC is the real culprit...Cr@pinfo is only their mouthpiece.

Re: Cricinfo and Bias
Posted by: Birbal (IP Logged)
Date: 02/06/2007 17:09

Very well said max1

It is still amazing that no Indian company... Infosys, Satyam (they did own cricinfo for a while), Wipro, TCS, or any of the Media Companies, The Hindu, The India Today Group, ZeeTV, has tried to lauch a competing website that could SERIOUSLY challenge the monopoly of cricinfo...

Guess Indians don't see immediate profit in it... and a lot of hard work... so nobody has taken the plunge...

But then the composition of the board, and the editorial bias, etc shouldn't surprise us much...

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Re: Cricinfo and Bias
Posted by: chandra (IP Logged)
Date: 04/06/2007 08:19

Birbal,

From what a friend told me once, cricinfo was acquired by wisden from some Indians who had a newsgroup or an IRC chat group which they used to give out live commentary for matches. I am sure the founders are not there anymore and probably have golden parachutes that would prevent them from competing with cricinfo. Given that this acquisition took place a while back may be the non-compete clause has expired. I wonder who these founders are and if they would be interested in entering this arena again.

Any site that would compete with cricinfo would require a significant investment but there is an opportunity here given that web technology is evolving and cricinfo is still tied to some old stuff.

Re: Cricinfo and Bias
Posted by: Chorazin Reto (IP Logged)
Date: 04/06/2007 12:12

So i guess my question would be is Pawar a good BCCI president?

If so, then would he be suited as chairperson of the ICC?

Also i feel people see too many things in racist terms, is Andrew Symonds white? o no hang on a sec now, he plays for Australia, therefore, he is the enemy, we are disregarding race now to suit our needs. Should we be called the "mostly white bloc" ?

The ICC should be run by whoever is the most competent and passionate, for the good of the game and its fans. If Pawar is it, then so be it.

Re: Cricinfo and Bias
Posted by: Anil (IP Logged)
Date: 04/06/2007 13:15

> The ICC should be run by whoever is the most competent and
> passionate, for the good of the game and its fans.

Is this why a loser such as Malcom Speed has been CEO for 8 years?

And is it why English or Aussie people have run ICC for millenia?

Is Bush the most competent person to run the USA? Or Howard the most competent to run Australia?

Climb off that ivory tower please. The person who rules an organization is the one who commands the most influence -- due to money issues, due to elections, due to political realities.

This is one of the fundamental points being made by the article.

Re: Cricinfo and Bias
Posted by: Birbal (IP Logged)
Date: 04/06/2007 16:37

And it was under Dalmiya that the ICC went from have $12,000 or so in the bank to now having a BILLION dollars worth of deals signed up...

Dalmiya should be WORSHIPPED by the ICC. But instead he is reviled...

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Re: Cricinfo and Bias
Posted by: Chorazin Reto (IP Logged)
Date: 04/06/2007 23:09

""Climb off that ivory tower please. The person who rules an organization is the one who commands the most influence -- due to money issues, due to elections, due to political realities.

This is one of the fundamental points being made by the article.""

And thats why i am saying it should be run by the most competent and passionate, not the one with the most influence. /shrug

Re: Cricinfo and Bias
Posted by: chandra (IP Logged)
Date: 05/06/2007 05:34

Chorazin Reto Wrote:
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> So i guess my question would be is Pawar a good
> BCCI president?

I say in the article that I don't think Pawar is a good President but that was not the point of the article at all. Andrew Miller and his ilk have been lambasting India even before Pawar was on the scene....

Pawar is the target now - if someone else were the target he would be lambasted too (as was Dalmia).

The point is browns are getting power and that is scary to the whites. I see this in America and Europe too - all the white dominated countries are scared of brown immigration to their countries - the same brown people that the whites ruled over for decades and looted the colonized countries (I can say this with absolute proof as far as India goes).

>
> If so, then would he be suited as chairperson of
> the ICC?
>
> Also i feel people see too many things in racist
> terms, is Andrew Symonds white? o no hang on a sec
> now, he plays for Australia, therefore, he is the
> enemy, we are disregarding race now to suit our
> needs. Should we be called the "mostly white bloc"
> ?

Whether Symonds is white or not is hardly the point - the point is, is Symonds the ICC President or not (and even then I would say does he have real power). Further, what does Miller and cricinfo say about Symonds if he were in power or about to get power.

Should you be called the "mostly white bloc." NO. India and the other sub-continental countries were not called mostly Asian-bloc even though Chappell, Whatmore, Moody and others were part of these teams. What is sauce for the Goose is sauce for the Gander -- as the saying goes...


> The ICC should be run by whoever is the most
> competent and passionate, for the good of the game
> and its fans. If Pawar is it, then so be it.

This sentiment I agree with but as my article points out, why is that invariably the most competent and passionate turn out to be incompetent like Speed - because they do the bidding of the powers that be.

Just take one simple example. I read once that there was this Indian guy who proposed a system that was much better than the Duckworth/Lewis method - easier to compute - did not need a big complicated chart that requires a Ph. D in D/L method to be deciphered and was fairer to the team playing second (usually the one that loses out). It was not adopted by the ICC. Why? No reason given.

Another example, has anyone from England and Australia apologized to the other cricketing nations and pointed out that the rules in the past were unfair to the third world countries? No.

Has anyone in England apologized to the Asian-origin players for being excluded (until Naser Hussein (sic) no Asian was allowed to play in English cricket)?

The list is endless....

Re: Cricinfo and Bias
Posted by: Birbal (IP Logged)
Date: 05/06/2007 05:41

Chandra... to be fair England played Ranji as early as turn of the century in their team... against the Aussies...

So don't think that unlike say Baseball or Cricket in South Africa...there was an ABSOLUTE Bar on Indian origin players playing for England...

But till recently they have not been very welcome unless they were royalty like Ranji...

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Re: Cricinfo and Bias
Posted by: Chorazin Reto (IP Logged)
Date: 05/06/2007 06:21

""Another example, has anyone from England and Australia apologized to the other cricketing nations and pointed out that the rules in the past were unfair to the third world countries? No.""

When is this past, is this the 1960's, the 1970's? Im sorry to say it but its the 21st century, Cricket on the field is reasonably fair imo, i can cite plenty of instances of decisions going both ways in the time i have watched Cricket(Tendulkar being called back into bat after being given out, sure it was a poor decision but thats just bad luck, you are out).

True arbitrary decisions will come from a panel of video refs using technology like Hawkeye, do we want this, the technology is there, should we make use of it?

If these Asian players are English citizens i see no reason why they cant play for England if they have what it takes. Lets look at some of the younger Australian players coming through, its a pretty multicultural bunch of players the likes of Moises Henriques, Khawaja Usman, Shawn Gillies, Theo Doropoulos.

Re: Cricinfo and Bias
Posted by: chandra (IP Logged)
Date: 05/06/2007 08:48

Yes, I will be the first one to admit that things have improved considerably in terms of race relations but at the same time I also see that there is room for much improvement. I have lived in the US for over 20 years and believe me I have seen the good and bad. On the one hand there is genuine color/race blindness in most of the people I meet and interact with but at the same time I see things that make me go huh!

Also, a lot of times a person expresses racist beliefs without consciously knowing it. For C...st's sake, I took a test on the web conducted by Harvard university (there was a reference to it in this forum a while back) and I found that I had a bias (slight nonetheless) toward characterizing people of European descent as more American than others -- go figure.

My point about the past has to do with setting things right. No one official to my knowledge has come out explicitly and said we made mistakes and we apologize. That is what is needed.

There is so much to say here. I will confine myself to this below:

The main point I want to make is this - racism has a purpose (and it is usually economic). Miller and cricinfo have an agenda and labeling Asian countries as Asian bloc serves that purpose. cricinfo will never use the n-word or call somebody brown or anything so crude but what they do do on a regular basis is write stories that subtly undermine the Asian countries. Obviously, they feel comfortable including WI because WICB votes with the "establishment." May be the Aussie boycott of Zim match had to do with the Asia/Africa tournament - if the Africans are getting closer to the Asians may be we should threaten them. The fact that Zim regime is corrupt is beside the point - that is an excuse - did Aus play with S. Africa when their regime was corrupt? This is geopolitics playing itself out and racism is a tool.

On your point about using technology - technology is not the issue - whether to use it or not is a plain cricketing decision. Uncovering hidden agendas and economic interests is a matter of politics and human behavior - this can never be automated.

I am not sure about your point about Asian players playing in England - if you mean they are being included then that was my point that they are being included and were not in the past - this is a good thing but the past has not been accounted for.....

As far as I know Sachin was called back because the main umpire changed his mind - there was no referral to the third umpire and I thought it was mighty courageous of the umpire to change his mind - Sachin was clearly not out - again a good thing that would not have happened in the past.

Re: Cricinfo and Bias
Posted by: Chorazin Reto (IP Logged)
Date: 05/06/2007 11:40

Reading your post it seems we are drifting off base from cricket to political and socioeconomic fields. I would prefer to stay focused on Cricket. The ICC is ""the establishment"" So race is a side issue imo to India "rocking the boat" so to speak, because as you said yourself the WICB votes with ""the establishment"" they are inclusive in the current bloc, this would, id say, be much more of an issue than race.

The fact that India has the fiscal muscle to make waves and go against the grain of any and all ICC decisions.

Re: Cricinfo and Bias
Posted by: Anil (IP Logged)
Date: 05/06/2007 14:13

Chorazin: the premise of the article is the bias of Cricinfo.

As you agree that the likes of Speed and his cohorts are incompetent, and that they have not been selected on the basis of "best available administrator" you would want to see, then you have essentially agreed with Chandra that Cricinfo is a biased publication in that they raise all these idealistic issues only when Pawar is expected to run for president. They have never raised a hue and cry when an Aussie or English candidate announces his intention to run.. in fact Miller and his ilk believe that simply being English or Aussie is in itself a major qualification for running.

Re: Cricinfo and Bias
Posted by: Birbal (IP Logged)
Date: 05/06/2007 17:26

After the UNMITIGATED Disaster that was WC07.. how can Speed stay in his job is beyond me...

If this were the corporate world..he would be out on the street by now...

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Re: Cricinfo and Bias
Posted by: chandra (IP Logged)
Date: 05/06/2007 17:30

Here are some more thoughts on the Miller article from a greater mind than mine:

[blogs.cricinfo.com]

Miller chose to respond to the article - see his response as well.

Re: Cricinfo and Bias
Posted by: Birbal (IP Logged)
Date: 05/06/2007 17:40

Kudos to Kesavan for saying what he did...wonder if he has found another job?...smiling smileysmiling smileysmiling smiley

I can see him being slowly shunted out of the most prestigious topics...like India v. Pak or Border Gavaskar Series or the Ashes...towards more peripheral topics like women's cricket ...etc...

Anyway.. the TOUCHY and mostly CANNED response by Miller shows that he has not even a FIG LEAF to hide his shame...

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Re: Cricinfo and Bias
Posted by: chandra (IP Logged)
Date: 05/06/2007 17:56

Well said Birbal. Miller can dish it out but cannot take it - my observation from not just this article but based on responses I got from posting comments on his articles in the past.

Re: Cricinfo and Bias
Posted by: Birbal (IP Logged)
Date: 05/06/2007 17:59

That is the hallmark of a bully...and this Miller is surely one who is using his position as editor to bully others...

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Re: Cricinfo and Bias
Posted by: chandra (IP Logged)
Date: 05/06/2007 18:05

Chorazin Reto Wrote:
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> Reading your post it seems we are drifting off
> base from cricket to political and socioeconomic
> fields. I would prefer to stay focused on Cricket.
> The ICC is ""the establishment"" So race is a side
> issue imo to India "rocking the boat" so to speak,
> because as you said yourself the WICB votes with
> ""the establishment"" they are inclusive in the
> current bloc, this would, id say, be much more of
> an issue than race.
>
> The fact that India has the fiscal muscle to make
> waves and go against the grain of any and all ICC
> decisions.

I don't think you get it. Race is not a side issue - it is a tool for economic exploitation.

If you think the establishment includes WICB because of its fairness you are smoking something I would like a puff of (:- they are included because of votes and the current interests of WI and establishmentcoincide.

On India's fiscal muscle, this is precisely my point. India has the fiscal muscle and many quarters of the establishment don't like it - therefore deride India.

Re: Cricinfo and Bias
Posted by: Chorazin Reto (IP Logged)
Date: 06/06/2007 05:04

I am agreeing with you on most points Chandra seems like you have a penchant for arguing imagined slights.

""If you think the establishment includes WICB because of its fairness you are smoking something I would like a puff of (:- they are included because of votes and the current interests of WI and establishmentcoincide.""

This illustrates what i was trying to convey, the WICB votes with the establishment, everything is fine, the sun is shining, the birds are singing. If India did the same and didnt "make waves" the case would be be identical.

I personally have no qualms about race/culture/background etc to run the ICC, provided as stated they are passionate and dedicated.

In fact on a lighter note i read a really interesting article on Cricket in Afghanistan the other day about how an Afghan avid cricketer and his friend hiked the distance to the Afghan cricket association so that they could speak with them. His friend suffered from heat exhaustion on the way over the mountains and alls they had with them was a mule to carry some supplies.

Now thats dedication.

Re: Cricinfo and Bias
Posted by: chandra (IP Logged)
Date: 06/06/2007 05:36

I am sorry but I don't think we agree at all - I don't definitely have a penchant for arguing points. You are missing the point altogether and it's obvious from this statement:

> If India did the same and didnt "make waves" the
> case would be be identical.

This is extremely condescending - I thought it was Miller and the establishment that was making waves about India's new found muscle (your word not mine).

I am sure you are a nice guy and all but I really suggest you think about the issue at hand and the points I am making. To repeat, RACISM IS A TOOL and it is applied selectively and in a focussed manner to achieve economic goals - this does not mean it is not vile, vicious, immoral and uncivilized. I am explaining the motivation behind racism and that DOES NOT MEAN IT DOES NOT EXIST and that people do not suffer due to it.

Re: Cricinfo and Bias
Posted by: Anil (IP Logged)
Date: 06/06/2007 15:57

Chorazin Reto Wrote:
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> I personally have no qualms about
> race/culture/background etc to run the ICC,
> provided as stated they are passionate and
> dedicated.

Unfortunately the people that run such organizations are rarely passionate and dedicated.

But if they hire a multi-cultural staff that are dedicated, and they end up making the game look good (i.e. do something about clear umpiring and refereeing incompetency and bias, run good tournaments, stop making hypocritical comments and judgments) then we would be getting somehwhere.

Malcom Speed has done none of the above. He is one of the root causes of the problem in cricket, with his polarizing and divisive style, and his tendency to bite the hand that feeds him (India).

We need someone who can unite the cricketing nations with progressive actions and attitude, instead of pulling them apart as Malcom Speed has done, and Malcom Gray before him.

Re: Cricinfo and Bias
Posted by: Birbal (IP Logged)
Date: 06/06/2007 17:26

I personally don't care who the RUBBERSTAMP head of ICC is...I'd like someone like Shastri or Sunny to be the CEO however instead of that fossil Malcolm Speed...

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Re: Cricinfo and Bias
Posted by: Birbal (IP Logged)
Date: 24/07/2007 18:59

This article is still getting a lot of hits...and it is nearly two months old..

Must have hit a NERVE...smiling smiley

Well done Chandra!

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Re: Cricinfo and Bias
Posted by: Birbal (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2007 22:33

The Sambit Bal article just EMPHASIZES the point...

Cricinfo is about as fair and balanced as FOX NEWS...

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