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Sydney Pointers
By Gaurang December 30 2007
What are the lessons that must be imbibed by Kumble and his men if they are to avoid a second knock down? The key lesson to be learnt is that offense is the best defense against these Australians. This applies to the Indian bowling, batting and fielding, but especially to the batting.

The negative tactic of trying to grind the Australian bowlers into submission with stone-walling starts has to be abandoned immediately.  India must include Virender Sehwag in the team, to open with Rahul Dravid.  Wasim Jaffer must be dropped, as he neither provides the attacking option like Sehwag, nor does he seem capable of surviving long, unlike Dravid, who despite scoring painfully slowly, did actually bat out over thirty overs himself.  Dravid can and should continue to play the role of sheet anchor at one end, allowing the batsmen at the other end to do more of the scoring.  One thing he will however have to improve is using soft hands to prod, nudge, and simply drop and run, singles, and rotate the strike.  

 

As for the bowling, Sydney promises to be a much more difficult pitch to dismiss batsmen on, especially the Australians, in their current form.  Taking twenty wickets will prove to be a challenge and so I would go with five specialist bowlers.  I would suggest inducting Irfan Pathan into the team in place of Yuvraj Singh.  Pathan could hardly do worse than Yuvraj with the bat, and he is a genuine third seamer to support Zaheer Khan and Ishant Sharma.  I would include young Ishant ahead of R.P. Singh simply because he is more likely to take wickets than R.P. in his current form, and also because if R.P. were picked, India’s pace bowlers would all be left armers, and wouldn’t provide the variety that Ishant as a tall, hit-the-deck, right hander, would.  I would however still pick Harbhajan Singh, who showed signs of regaining his old touch when he slowed down and bowled much better in Australia’s second innings, as support for India’s main spinner, and key bowler, Anil Kumble.

 

Finally I would include Yuvraj Singh as twelfth man, and have him field for one of the seniors, Laxman, Dravid, Sachin or Sourav, as much as possible during the match. 

 

I doubt that Kumble will make these bold moves, but if he fails to drop Jaffer and Yuvraj, India are likely to once again be easily rolled over as Ricky Ponting marches inexorably towards the coveted record of seventeen Test victories in a row.  It is almost as if Ponting and his team are no longer concerned about the challenge presented by their opposition on the field, but instead want to challenge history, and etch their names as the greatest Test side of all time.  In other words Ponting’s real challenge seems to be Bradman’s invincibles, Lloyd’s legends, or Waugh’s warriors.  The actual opposition on the field is almost irrelevant.

 

Kumble’s India on the other hand have nothing to lose.  And if they somehow can stop the juggernaut that is the current Australian team for even one match, they will have achieved something that only one two other teams have done this century, i.e. Ganguly’s fighters in 2000-01 and again in 2003-04 and Vaughan’s brave hearts in 2005.           

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Re: Sydney Pointers
Posted by: Count Dooku (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:12:30:02:59:27

Unfortunately, Kumble has not turned out to be a strong a leader as I thought.

I fear it will be EXACTLY the same team as the 1st test. I also think that he doesn't quite like Sehwag (as Rahul Dravid did). Motu was not selected in the squad because of Kumble but some external/other pressure. I think Motu will not get a game unless we lose the next test and Yuseless does not play well (in that case he will replace Yuseless in the 3rd test).

The only way to beat/compete with Australia is as you say attack. The whole approach was wrong for this. The funny thing is that why didn't we learn from the 1st innings debacle and attacked bit more in the 2nd? Mind boggles really.

Lastly, I really fear a 4-0 drubbing unless something drastic is done.

Re: Sydney Pointers
Posted by: GoCool (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:12:30:03:04:38

An Australian series victory is a certainty

Re: Sydney Pointers
Posted by: Birbal (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:12:30:03:06:57

GoCool if India can somehow... (I Know it sounds RIDICULOUS) win in Sydney... then I wouldn't be so sure...

Perth India are very likely to lose...but India would still go into the final Test in Adelaide down only 1-2 and the series still open...

Then anything can happen...

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Re: Sydney Pointers
Posted by: ananthd (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:12:30:03:55:32

I think Dravid must not open, regardless of Jaffer being dropped or not. Promote VVS if you must, he has a century as an opener in Sydney.

I think he(Dravid) considers himself a victim of circumstances being asked to open and self-pity is eating this guy alive.

Ideally Viru & Karthik will be pickedi with Jaffer & Yuvi dropped, but not gonna happen.

And I'm not sure we need 5 bowlers to bowl this Aussie side out. I think the Indian bowling has shown itself pretty capable in the last tours and even in the MCG.

Since the SCG has a reputation for helping spinners and we probably go in with 2 regular spinners, this should be enough.

Re: Sydney Pointers
Posted by: GoCool (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:12:30:04:13:08

The sooner some team members buck up, the better.
Why should we, the paying public care for their ills?It is a privilege to represent the country and once you have established credentials like Dravid and a 56 plus avrg., there is no other choice but to send him in first in the absence of regular openers with any form. If he is wallowing in self-pity, you know what? Too bad. He better swaallow it and adapt because brother, the team need him in that role whether he likes it or not. Kumble himself has said that Sehwag and Karthik are in no shape to open let alone open against Australia.

In fact the only other logical choice when regular test openers are not in form is to look at your One-day openers to get out there. They really can't do any worse, but they can do better than who we have up there now.

Re: Sydney Pointers
Posted by: GoCool (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:12:30:04:19:00

To add to that here's a possible line-up that Kumble and the team management will never agree to :-)

1.Sourav Ganguly
2 Sachin Tendulkar
3 VVSLaxman
4 Rahul Dravid
5 Yuvraj Singh
6 MS Dhoni
7 Irfan Pathan
8 Anil Kumble
9 Harbhajan Singh
10 Zaheer Khan
11 Ishant Sharma / RP Singh

Doesn't matter if all the fast bowlers are lefties. Do we say the attack is one dimensional when all fast bowlers operating are righties?

Re: Sydney Pointers
Posted by: ananthd (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:12:30:04:25:36

GC, cold logic doesn't work, I'm merely extrapolating from Dravid's body language;

Of course we know these guys are privileged to play etc. but I still think Dravid is doing it basically because he feels it is a last resort to save his career, not out of his own volition.

If somebody isn't mentally comfortable, I don't think he's goint to perform. No amount of 'relax, take a chill pill' talk is going to work with this guy.

He really should be dropped, but since that isn't going to happen, I honestly think VVSL is a better choice since he is naturally more positive and has looked good here as well success as opener in Sydney.

Re: Sydney Pointers
Posted by: GoCool (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:12:30:04:36:24

That's the iffy thing. If a player is not in form, he should not play. End of story. Instead , give the spot to a hungrier candidate. Problem is there are no hungrier candidates. The alternatives are either not in form or they don't have the temperament at this level.

Right now it seems that no one wants to open. The battle is lost then and there with such a mindset.

This wisdom from Kumble says it all: "Our batsmen are a finicky lot..."

Re: Sydney Pointers
Posted by: arnnita (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:12:30:07:34:24

during bad form if SG can had hard dose and dropped from the side then why not RD?

does RD has a special qualification like MARATHI and our BCCI president is also come in same catagory - is this the reason?

Re: Sydney Pointers
Posted by: Anil (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:12:31:02:47:08

Birbal: those are some great, if radical, ideas.

Drop Jaffer for Sehwag, Yuvraj for Pathan, Ishant for RP is something I can't see team management even thinking about.

Sehwag for Yuvraj is the most I can see. Given that Ganguly is ill, they may go for the only obvious change: Sehwag for Gangs.

A change of attitude is what's needed more than anything IMO.

Re: Sydney Pointers
Posted by: Max (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:12:31:03:35:15

The good thing is Kumble realizes the exact problem...I mean the negative mindset of his batsmen, especially openers. Remains to be seen whether he takes the necessary strong pre-emptive steps to force a change. If he persists with the same openers and batting order for 2nd Test, it will be too late to save the series. It's as simple as that.

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Re: Sydney Pointers
Posted by: kappax (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:12:31:03:57:06

the other Big problem is that we know these are the problems for LOOOOONG Long time...

see Rajput's comment about "the players all know they have rotate strike, run singles, run quickly"

but it is not happenning.. so I guess the problem is not in "knowing".. its in execution..

and there needs to be a deterrrent( fine) to force execution...

Re: Sydney Pointers
Posted by: Birbal (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:12:31:04:01:12

Can someone tell me how come Tendu and Ganguly, not be any means the fleetest or fittest (and Ganguly was SICK in the 2nd innings)... still managed to score at 3-4 RPO?

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Re: Sydney Pointers
Posted by: kappax (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:12:31:04:11:39

they were the saving graces... but they were occasionally trying to over compensate for a Dravid or Jaffer or VVSL's slow go...

Re: Sydney Pointers
Posted by: Birbal (IP Logged)
Date: 2007:12:31:04:13:19

Point is that in TEST cricket running between the wicket is not so important... 2.5 or 3 RPO over is JUST FINE...

It is when you can't take a single for 5 overs in a row, like Dravid did on couple of ocassions that the PROBLEM occurs...

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Re: Sydney Pointers
Posted by: Birbal (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:01:03:02:30:14

Quote:
Wasim Jaffer must be dropped, as he neither provides the attacking option like Sehwag, nor does he seem capable of surviving long,

Hate to say I told ya so...but I told ya so...

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Re: Sydney Pointers
Posted by: arnnita (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:01:03:07:31:09

well friends when i was young i heard that cricket is a gentleman's game. and there are so many examples also in those days in 70's as well as in 80's too.

but when theise australians like ponting or symonds type player came to this cricket arena i should say CRICKET WAS A GENTELMAN's Game but not NOW!!!!!!

Ponting shame on you and symonds you too.

I really surprised what these people teach their childrens.

Re: Sydney Pointers
Posted by: Birbal (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:01:06:08:16:08

Hate to say I told you so...but I did say...



Wasim Jaffer must be dropped, as he neither provides the attacking option like Sehwag, nor does he seem capable of surviving long, unlike Dravid, who despite scoring painfully slowly, did actually bat out over thirty overs himself. Dravid can and should continue to play the role of sheet anchor at one end, allowing the batsmen at the other end to do more of the scoring.


I would suggest inducting Irfan Pathan into the team in place of Yuvraj Singh. Pathan could hardly do worse than Yuvraj with the bat, and he is a genuine third seamer to support Zaheer Khan and Ishant Sharma.

Of course I honestly didn't anticiapte the LEVEL of Umpiring incompetence...and in the case of Steve Bucknor... PURE BIAS...that would be a HUGE factor...

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Re: Sydney Pointers
Posted by: Blair_77 (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:01:06:08:20:28

Quote:
Birbal
Point is that in TEST cricket running between the wicket is not so important... 2.5 or 3 RPO over is JUST FINE...
It is when you can't take a single for 5 overs in a row, like Dravid did on couple of ocassions that the PROBLEM occurs...

Not important? Its such an easy way to create pressure on the opposition and frustrate them. When a team doesn't turn the strike over and take the short singles it makes the bowling teams job that much easier. Silly.

Re: Sydney Pointers
Posted by: Birbal (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:01:06:08:24:49

There is something called batting time... you may be too young to have any idea of that...but guys like Alan Border and Sunny Gavaskar whom the little trophy you guys are so happy to have retained were past masters at that...

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Re: Sydney Pointers
Posted by: Blair_77 (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:01:06:08:36:56

Well I am going to sleep well tonight since australia won. If H Singh gets done for racism so be it if he did say it. Racism cannot be tolerated in any form.

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