Can't stop scoring
Wenger complacency not a danger!
Can't stop scoring
By Boris Mellor
November 15 2008
Wenger wrote in his programme notes that, “complacency is not a danger when you face Villa because they are a very good team”. So what was the danger exactly Arsene? Playing absolute shyte? Soft in the head? What was it exactly? There was a lack of passion here, was it Wenger who failed to inspire this team for the game, assuming they would motivate themselves?
Can't stop scoring
November 15 2008
Wenger wrote in his programme notes that, “complacency is not a danger when you face Villa because they are a very good team”. So what was the danger exactly Arsene? Playing absolute shyte? Soft in the head? What was it exactly? There was a lack of passion here, was it Wenger who failed to inspire this team for the game, assuming they would motivate themselves?
Meanwhile his captain assured us that, “we are highly motivated – we have to fight like we did against Man U in every game”. Well that’s a relief, because I hate think how bad it would have been if they hadn’t been so motivated. Arsene believes that the team has learnt tremendously from earlier disappointments, what did they learn Arsene? I could see little evidence of learning here.
Every time the team has a good week it is followed by a collapse, I am sorry but this team is soft in the head. There is something wrong with, it will not win anything (If I am proved wrong I will love to eat humble flan, pie is too fattening), apart from a minor cup perhaps, although that is unlikely.
I can’t help wondering how well the kids would have done today; surely it couldn’t have been worse. Before the Man U match I told a colleague I thought the problems at Arsenal were now systemic, after the surprise victory I wrote, “Now we have to see what happens in the next two or three games as to if this team can remain contenders”. I am afraid that defeat often tells you more than victory. We have a defence with a glass jaw, and a team not prepared to work hard every week. Yes they will work when they fancy it, big CL games, or top four clubs, and the rest of the time it is hit and miss. It just isn’t good enough.After the match Wenger said, “I do not want to go on definite solutions or headlines. I just think that despite the fact that we were not at our best, this game was winnable. We lost it at a moment when we should not have lost it anymore. Had we lost it in the first half, ok ‘bye-bye’ they had their day and they won. But we lost this game today from the moment when we shouldn’t lost it anymore.” By the way someone should sack the sub, can’t they edit this stuff into sense?
I am sorry Arsene but at no time did we look like winning it, the team didn’t turn up until the second half, and even when it did it rarely threatened Friedel. Also it is time for definite solutions, because time is running out, we are almost certainly out of the title race, much more and we will be out of the top four race. A team that loses two games at home is not a contender, especially if the opposition are Villa and Hull.
The difference between two very ordinary teams was Agbonlahor, he was prepared to work his heart out for the cause. He was not presented with lots of chances, but he hassled and harried causing havoc. His goal was an individual effort of the type we used to enjoy watching Henry score, starting from deep in his own half. We had no one who could match him, just a series of slow and predictable builds ups that finished fruitlessly in the dead end of Villa’s well organised cul de sac.
Wenger needs players who will play for the shirt, those that don’t should be shown the bench, enough pampering of these overpaid dilettantes. we need players loyal to the club, not just to the manager.
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Wenger complacency not a danger!
Posted by: Arsenal Times (IP Logged)
Date: 15/11/2008 21:47
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Re: Wenger complacency not a danger!
Posted by: ArsenalForever (IP Logged)
Date: 15/11/2008 22:02
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Date: 15/11/2008 22:07
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Date: 15/11/2008 22:19
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Re: Wenger complacency not a danger!
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 15/11/2008 22:56
Well you would do all right for Arsenal games, just remember that every time they win a big one its followed by defeat
Re: Wenger complacency not a danger!
Posted by: H.C (IP Logged)
Date: 16/11/2008 00:19
Systemic eh? That's what I said a while back Padre. I'm in Lowell, Mass, USA, traveling around and pretending not to care about Arsenal. But I do, and I don't understand what the fxxk is going on. Watched the kids destroy Wigan, sitting in a bar called Kitty O'Sheas. Walking around in the rain today, came back, checked out scores, wtf? Off to NY tomorrow. Can somebody sort this sxxt out before I get home?
Re: Wenger complacency not a danger!
Posted by: Gooner_Mike (IP Logged)
Date: 16/11/2008 01:36
Quote:Wenger needs players who will play for the shirt, those that don’t should be shown the bench, enough pampering of these overpaid dilettantes. we need players loyal to the club, not just to the manager.
One of the best paragraphs I have ever read couldnt have said it better myself. I reckon certain select fans could of played with more passion and belief than these bunch of pansies. Give me a penny a week to play for arsenal and I wouldnt stop running until my lungs collapsed.
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Re: Wenger complacency not a danger!
Posted by: pk_gunner (IP Logged)
Date: 16/11/2008 01:53
Quote:Gooner_Mike
Give me a penny a week to play for arsenal and I wouldnt stop running until my lungs collapsed.
Reckon a lot would do it for free mate! Heck loads would PAY to play for the Arsenal and keep running till they pass out from exhaustion!
Yet these mercenary C*NTS get about as much as a normal person may get in 2 years in week but still dont give a t*ss
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Re: Wenger complacency not a danger!
Posted by: Merlion96 (IP Logged)
Date: 16/11/2008 04:55
Quote:Gooner_MikeQuote:Wenger needs players who will play for the shirt, those that don’t should be shown the bench, enough pampering of these overpaid dilettantes. we need players loyal to the club, not just to the manager.
One of the best paragraphs I have ever read couldnt have said it better myself. I reckon certain select fans could of played with more passion and belief than these bunch of pansies. Give me a penny a week to play for arsenal and I wouldnt stop running until my lungs collapsed.
Padre, you had put it in words that I will not said out loud, but just hinted on it.
Bluntly, we need a wholesome clearance to start all over again like 1996 to sieve that lots and get players like "Bergy', "Vieira", "Pires", "GIlberto", "Henry", "Lauren", et al who are hungry to play and not at those megabuck contracts that will make 'em stay.
We need players who play with fire-in-the-belly, passionate and with a winner mentality.
Roy Keane is still correct when he pointed out the malaise at ManU, at the 'Ferrari and Rolex" gang who had lost their edge, their hunger and the obsession to win, i.e. a "winner mentality".
I don't mind if we had lost, but I do mind if they lost with a whimper instead of fighting fiercely with passion, with hunger, and goign down fighting.
Sorry, we got a bunch of "Ferrari and Rolex" players who had lost their hunger, holding Arsenal to ransom "pay me for what I am worth or I will leave", and strut on the pitch as if they got a divine right to be automaticallys elected regardless of their forms.
Sometime, rotten, something smell in this team, if Arsene Wenger will not cauterise the gangrenous growth fot his team, then let someone do it.
As the alternative will disastrous and all Arsene Wenegr had achived for 12 years will just go down to the drain due to the errors of the next 3 years - by not knowing how to manage mega-stars and mollycoddled them too much determental to TEAM SPIRIT.
Re: Wenger complacency not a danger!
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 16/11/2008 08:23
"we need players loyal to the club, not just to the manager."
I think this also explains some of the crowd they dont trust these players anymore. They dont sing names very often, apart from Theo, because they think they will be gone soon.
There is talk of £80,000 a week for RvP - what for? A reward for getting sent off for being stupid?
As you say they are mollycoddled, problem is even Alex Ferguson has to put up with some of this rotten behaviour. 3 years ago Ronaldo would have been on his bike.
I think this also explains some of the crowd they dont trust these players anymore. They dont sing names very often, apart from Theo, because they think they will be gone soon.
There is talk of £80,000 a week for RvP - what for? A reward for getting sent off for being stupid?
As you say they are mollycoddled, problem is even Alex Ferguson has to put up with some of this rotten behaviour. 3 years ago Ronaldo would have been on his bike.
Re: Wenger complacency not a danger!
Posted by: djarse (IP Logged)
Date: 16/11/2008 13:44
Ironically, I would not put it past this team to win the Champions League or FA Cup - precisely because they do seem to rise to the very big occasions.
But for consistency and the Premiership, the same old solutions apply: a new captain, a new centre back and a world class holding midfielder need to be brought in asap - who cares any more whether it upsets a few "big names" to lose their places - let them move on. The youngsters will wait their turn - hungry to play.
But for consistency and the Premiership, the same old solutions apply: a new captain, a new centre back and a world class holding midfielder need to be brought in asap - who cares any more whether it upsets a few "big names" to lose their places - let them move on. The youngsters will wait their turn - hungry to play.
Re: Wenger complacency not a danger!
Posted by: Big Guhnz (IP Logged)
Date: 16/11/2008 14:17
Id be ok if i knew wenger felt any pressure but i dont think he feels any pressure and knows his job is safe so hes got until 2011 to get it right i think thats how he sees it and we are just gonna have to ride it out!
Re: Wenger complacency not a danger!
Posted by: AJ The Gunner (IP Logged)
Date: 16/11/2008 15:16
i supported the booing but of cos everyone claimed i'm not a true fan.desperate times calls for desperate measures.thats the only language i fear is enough to make wenger realise we have had it.cos this thrashy trend will continue with wenger spinning thrash after every defeat.
Re: Wenger complacency not a danger!
Posted by: Merlion96 (IP Logged)
Date: 16/11/2008 15:20
B.G> you wrong at that.
Wenegr is an extremely private and will never let his emotions be displayed in the public.
His dressing room is very tight-lipped and nobody ever leaked any info out.
In fact, Wenger is an extremely bad loser, obsessedw ith winning. Even if he wishes to retire, he will want to retire in a blaze of glorya s winner, and not goes out with a whimper with this bunch of clowns.
He knew what needed to eb done, he needed to grate his teeth and tolerated all those eu=rubbish because he does not have a choice and those youngsters he trusted are not ready for regular 1st team.
It will be unfair to put Ramsey, WIlshere and vela to paly regularly as it will burn them out and destroy their confidence (remmeber Walcott at World CUp 2006?)
I have a strong feeling that come December, we ar out fo title race, 15 points behind the leader, struggling to retian 4th spot, he will spend BIG, cull the TEAM and get rid of non-performaers no matter who they are..including Fabregas.
Fabregas mirrored exactly the malaise in the TEAM:
No spirit, no hunger, no fire in the belly; no fight back when the chips are down, just resigned to it.
Exactly like Henry's "nice mentality", smiling and chatting after losing the match to West Ham at EMirates.....
Wenegr is an extremely private and will never let his emotions be displayed in the public.
His dressing room is very tight-lipped and nobody ever leaked any info out.
In fact, Wenger is an extremely bad loser, obsessedw ith winning. Even if he wishes to retire, he will want to retire in a blaze of glorya s winner, and not goes out with a whimper with this bunch of clowns.
He knew what needed to eb done, he needed to grate his teeth and tolerated all those eu=rubbish because he does not have a choice and those youngsters he trusted are not ready for regular 1st team.
It will be unfair to put Ramsey, WIlshere and vela to paly regularly as it will burn them out and destroy their confidence (remmeber Walcott at World CUp 2006?)
I have a strong feeling that come December, we ar out fo title race, 15 points behind the leader, struggling to retian 4th spot, he will spend BIG, cull the TEAM and get rid of non-performaers no matter who they are..including Fabregas.
Fabregas mirrored exactly the malaise in the TEAM:
No spirit, no hunger, no fire in the belly; no fight back when the chips are down, just resigned to it.
Exactly like Henry's "nice mentality", smiling and chatting after losing the match to West Ham at EMirates.....
Re: Wenger complacency not a danger!
Posted by: perrygroves (IP Logged)
Date: 17/11/2008 09:26
agree with Merlion, Wegner can be very cruel....look at Pires and the +30 club. .....
THE THING IS.....is that we have the talent, if its only consistent results we seek then we are not far away.....
I rue the day we did'nt take Alonso to the emirates though.
THE THING IS.....is that we have the talent, if its only consistent results we seek then we are not far away.....
I rue the day we did'nt take Alonso to the emirates though.
Re: Wenger complacency not a danger!
Posted by: perrygroves (IP Logged)
Date: 17/11/2008 09:30
but there is always hope.....
Imagine yourself living in a house. He comes in to rebuild that house. At first, perhaps you can understand what He is doing. He is getting the drains right and stopping the leaks in the roof and so on: you knew that hose job needed doing and so you are not surprised.
But presently He starts knocking the house about in a way that hurts abominably and does not seem to make sense.
What on earth is he up to??
The explanation is that He is building quite a different house from the one you thought of; throwing out a new wing here, putting an extra floor there, running up towers, making court yards.You thought you were going to be made into a decent little cottage; but He is building a palace.
- C. S. Lewis
Imagine yourself living in a house. He comes in to rebuild that house. At first, perhaps you can understand what He is doing. He is getting the drains right and stopping the leaks in the roof and so on: you knew that hose job needed doing and so you are not surprised.
But presently He starts knocking the house about in a way that hurts abominably and does not seem to make sense.
What on earth is he up to??
The explanation is that He is building quite a different house from the one you thought of; throwing out a new wing here, putting an extra floor there, running up towers, making court yards.You thought you were going to be made into a decent little cottage; but He is building a palace.
- C. S. Lewis
Re: Wenger complacency not a danger!
Posted by: Chapman's Ghost (IP Logged)
Date: 17/11/2008 09:41
We built the palace, it's called the Emirates. Now
all we have running around in it are a lot of spoiled
princes who may never become kings.
And I too would play for free for Arsenal, PK.
Some people don't know how lucky they are.
all we have running around in it are a lot of spoiled
princes who may never become kings.
And I too would play for free for Arsenal, PK.
Some people don't know how lucky they are.
Re: Wenger complacency not a danger!
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 17/11/2008 22:19
I cant see how booing players help. Walcott was doing his best so was Clichy. So if you boo you are blaming them all.
The booing of Eboue is a disgrace.
The manager picks the team
The booing of Eboue is a disgrace.
The manager picks the team
Re: Wenger complacency not a danger!
Posted by: Goonchild (IP Logged)
Date: 18/11/2008 00:49
Quote:Merlion96
B.G> you wrong at that.
Wenegr is an extremely private and will never let his emotions be displayed in the public.
His dressing room is very tight-lipped and nobody ever leaked any info out.
In fact, Wenger is an extremely bad loser, obsessedw ith winning. Even if he wishes to retire, he will want to retire in a blaze of glorya s winner, and not goes out with a whimper with this bunch of clowns.
He knew what needed to eb done, he needed to grate his teeth and tolerated all those eu=rubbish because he does not have a choice and those youngsters he trusted are not ready for regular 1st team.
It will be unfair to put Ramsey, WIlshere and vela to paly regularly as it will burn them out and destroy their confidence (remmeber Walcott at World CUp 2006?)
I have a strong feeling that come December, we ar out fo title race, 15 points behind the leader, struggling to retian 4th spot, he will spend BIG, cull the TEAM and get rid of non-performaers no matter who they are..including Fabregas.
Fabregas mirrored exactly the malaise in the TEAM:
No spirit, no hunger, no fire in the belly; no fight back when the chips are down, just resigned to it.
Exactly like Henry's "nice mentality", smiling and chatting after losing the match to West Ham at EMirates.....
You know Merlion you should just take a couple of minutes to proof read your posts. You are so keen to blind us with science and get your post seen asap, you are just typing any old s=h-i-t-e.
PLEASE PLEASE go over your posts and correct the errors...its very hard on the eyes.
Its like reading the ramblings of a dyslexic monkey.
You may well have something interesting to say...but I never know, because I can't be bothered to plough my way thru all the s-h-i-t-e.
Your posts make my eyes bleed.
As I said before learn to type and spell...oh and perhaps brush up on the ENGLISH language as well.
PS. Typing this post of mine, I have made several errors...but unlike you I have proof read it and corrected them.
PPS. Your reference to Walcott & the World Cup is BS, because he never kicked a ball in anger, and his very selection by Sven,having never started a PL game for Arsenal rocketed him to Stardom.
Hardly a dent to his confidence...dontcha' think?
C'mon Merlion..you've posted over 11000 times (mostly garbage)...get a grip laddie
Re: Wenger complacency not a danger!
Posted by: Padre Pio (IP Logged)
Date: 18/11/2008 19:00
We are not running an English exam on here GC. Merlion has made many interesting posts on here, including prophecying the departure of key players well in advance.
If you disagree fine spell out what you disagree on, but keep off the personal abuse.
This is a depressing enough time for Gooners without turning inwards and slagging each other off.
I was just beginning to think what useful debate we have developing here.
We all make typos, and we dont all have time to correct them.
If you disagree fine spell out what you disagree on, but keep off the personal abuse.
This is a depressing enough time for Gooners without turning inwards and slagging each other off.
I was just beginning to think what useful debate we have developing here.
We all make typos, and we dont all have time to correct them.
Re: Wenger complacency not a danger!
Posted by: Optimistic Gunner (IP Logged)
Date: 18/11/2008 23:15
Great article and I agree with it. The last paragraph is SPOT ON!
There are so many problems with this current team.
Wait is the current bunch of players in our senior squad even a TEAM?
There are so many problems with this current team.
Wait is the current bunch of players in our senior squad even a TEAM?
Re: Wenger complacency not a danger!
Posted by: Goonchild (IP Logged)
Date: 19/11/2008 01:16
Quote:Padre Pio
We are not running an English exam on here GC. Merlion has made many interesting posts on here, including prophecying the departure of key players well in advance.
If you disagree fine spell out what you disagree on, but keep off the personal abuse.
This is a depressing enough time for Gooners without turning inwards and slagging each other off.
I was just beginning to think what useful debate we have developing here.
We all make typos, and we dont all have time to correct them.
Rubbish.
Its nothing to do with personal abuse. It takes no time at all to proof read your posts, if you want people to read, understand and digest what you write, at least have the courtesy to adhere to the english language and not be in such a rush to just write the first thing that enters your head.
I would suggest he engages his brain before he puts his fingers in gear.
Kay?....Kay
Re: Wenger complacency not a danger!
Posted by: Optimistic Gunner (IP Logged)
Date: 19/11/2008 05:30
Goonchild, yes Melrion is hard to understand, but thats cos you haven't been here long enough. With more time on here you will soon start to understand what Merlion is all about, lol.
Re: Wenger complacency not a danger!
Posted by: Goonchild (IP Logged)
Date: 19/11/2008 13:59
Quote:Not So Optimistic Gunner
Goonchild, yes Melrion is hard to understand, but thats cos you haven't been here long enough. With more time on here you will soon start to understand what Merlion is all about, lol.
Fair enough...I'll get up in the loft and retrieve my 'Gibberish for Dummies' book.
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