Home and Dry?
Heavy Cloud and the Welsh
Home and Dry?
By Grockle April 10 2008
The Welsh arrive to give us our last run through before the serious stuff starts in Cambridge next week. Rain forecast after a beautiful morning but it does look ominous. Some questions have already been answered but there are players still making a case for first team inclusion and with Thomas being cleared to bowl for us today the seam attack question is upper most!
Home and Dry?
The Welsh arrive to give us our last run through before the serious stuff starts in Cambridge next week. Rain forecast after a beautiful morning but it does look ominous. Some questions have already been answered but there are players still making a case for first team inclusion and with Thomas being cleared to bowl for us today the seam attack question is upper most!
v Glamorgan (F) @ Taunton Thursday 10 April 2008
No scorecard available I'm afraid.
Andy Hurry has announced a 12 man sqaud for this and underneath here you wil find a post identifying the representatives of Glamorgan expected to appear. there are a number of absentees still who will figure in the Sunday game next week but what does the squad named tell us about Rosey's apparent headaches about selection for the start of the season?
Unless there is a real problem during the next week, we would expect a number of players who have not yet been seen in Somerset colours to be there against Hampshire.
Andy Caddick is expected to bowl against Cambridge and play against Hampshire. Justin will captain. Charl will be here and on the field. Marcus will open. So...what about the other 7?
Craig Kieswetter will have the gloves. The fact he is keeping today and Carl Gazzard is not present has to mean that. James Hildreth has to play and every indication is that he is ready to do his job. Ian Blackwell will also play if he is ready to do that and he ought to play against Cambridge next week if that is going to happen - but it may not. Peter Trego is a definite? Fourth seamer and back up batsman? Pinch hitter?
So 5 or 4 places left. Who will open with Banger? John Francis has a chance to show the Bristol 50 was the start of a comeback today. Neil Edwards isn't playing today but may make a claim next week. Omari Banks may get a chance if Ian is doubtful or may be pushing Trigger for his place? We haven't seen a lot yet but there is today and tomorrow for him to change that.
Is there a place for Arul and Wes? As one day batsmen I think the answer is Yes. As one day bowlers? If ITB and Banks get themselves set I'm not so sure. Wes has a stronger batting record while Arul has the edge in the bowling - are they allround enough? The opportunity is there. Show us what you've got guys.
Assuming the seam attack starts with AC and CW then who is the third seamer? Suggestions are that it is between Phillips and Jones, especially in the one day format. But Turner is on the sheet still (Sutton has probably moved into a second team role for the first part of the season now) and Thomas is now part of the puzzle after his kolpak registration has been approved.
And then there's Munday who has been named n the squad today and should play irrespective of whether the strip takes spin or not. If he is what we hope he is then he needs to play whenever he can - a great spin bowler takes wickets on the strip provided, NOT only on spinning wickets. His presence complicates all kinds of equations and determines the use of Banks, Trego, Thomas, Phillips, Jones, Turner, Suppiah, Durston.
Hmmm interesting....who will perform today and how will this picture have latered or become clearer by the end of Friday?
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Friendly v Glamorgan
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:08:09:09:16
Glamorgan have announced a 12 man squad for this two day game.
DL Hemp(capt)
MJ Wood
GP Rees
MJ Powell
JWM Dalrymple
MA Wallace (wkt)
AG Wharf
RBD Croft
RE Watkins
DS Harrison
DA Cosker
AJ Shantry
The match will be played as a 12-a-side contest as a two day game,with play starting each day at !!.00
Now living in Saltford
DL Hemp(capt)
MJ Wood
GP Rees
MJ Powell
JWM Dalrymple
MA Wallace (wkt)
AG Wharf
RBD Croft
RE Watkins
DS Harrison
DA Cosker
AJ Shantry
The match will be played as a 12-a-side contest as a two day game,with play starting each day at !!.00
Now living in Saltford
Re: Friendly v Glamorgan
Posted by: Sloop John B (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:08:09:24:50
Where's James Harris? Injured??
Re: Friendly v Glamorgan
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:08:10:27:26
No mention of him on their website,perhaps they don't want to do too much with him early on.
He's still a sprog.
I see young Tom Maynard getting a mention on their site.I've heard he is turning into a very destructive batsman,much more aggressive than his Dad.
One to watch.
He's still a sprog.
I see young Tom Maynard getting a mention on their site.I've heard he is turning into a very destructive batsman,much more aggressive than his Dad.
One to watch.
Re: Friendly v Glamorgan
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:08:10:32:05
'much more aggressive, than M P Maynard'?
He wasn't exactly a shrinking violet at the crease.
Most certainly one to watch if that is the case.
He wasn't exactly a shrinking violet at the crease.
Most certainly one to watch if that is the case.
Re: Friendly v Glamorgan
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:08:10:41:54
Makes his Dad look like a mouse apparently and been in trouble a few times already.
Starts singing..."there could be trouble ahead".
Starts singing..."there could be trouble ahead".
Re: Friendly v Glamorgan
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:08:12:00:43
He's not related to Jesse Ryder, is he?
Re: Friendly v Glamorgan
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:08:12:21:14
No,that was Shaun.
Re: Friendly v Glamorgan
Posted by: BVI Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:08:13:00:17
"Glamorgan in pick 3 spinners for a game in April shocker"
BVI Grockle
BVI Grockle
Re: Friendly v Glamorgan
Posted by: Sloop John B (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:08:13:28:37
I see the Second Matt Wood will be playing...
Re: Friendly v Glamorgan
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:08:14:56:52
James Harris isn`t available for Glamorgan for the first part of the season as he is sitting his `A` levels. It is easy to forget how young he is.
Re: Friendly v Glamorgan
Posted by: scrumper (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:08:15:21:16
You can put your mortgage on Glamorgan playing him at Bristol at the end of April - A levels or no A levels !!
Re: Friendly v Glamorgan
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:08:16:37:26
Makes you want to open a little book on who'll get the first ten wicket haul of the season,in a competitive match.
My money is on Lewis.
My money is on Lewis.
Re: Friendly v Glamorgan
Posted by: The Diamond ruled ok (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:08:17:12:01
Don't know about three spinners in April being uusual BVI but Middlesex have played two wicket keepers in both of their warm up games so far .
Young Master Maynard does look a fine prospect indeed .
Young Master Maynard does look a fine prospect indeed .
Re: Friendly v Glamorgan
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:08:17:19:21
As have we in a number of ours, I believe, TDROK.
Re: Friendly v Glamorgan
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:08:17:32:14
Did Gazzard play yesterday?
Re: Friendly v Glamorgan
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:08:18:08:25
He was named in the 14, of whom MT didn't play.
From the report's emphasis on the 2nd wicket partnership, I had kind of jumped to the assumption that he had opened but on this occasion fallen cheaply.
From the report's emphasis on the 2nd wicket partnership, I had kind of jumped to the assumption that he had opened but on this occasion fallen cheaply.
Re: Friendly v Glamorgan
Posted by: Westcountry Wolf (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:08:18:32:56
I wonder if a certain Robert Croft will be looking forward to playing at Taunton this season.....
Re: Friendly v Glamorgan
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:08:19:02:31
I think Croft will be happy to play anywhere this year….
Re: Friendly v Glamorgan
Posted by: Westcountry Wolf (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:08:19:05:49
Does anyone know when the new shirt will be available in the club shop?
Re: Friendly v Glamorgan
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:08:19:20:40
Why,are you planning on playing a practical joke on an old enemy?
No idea sorry.
No idea sorry.
Re: Friendly v Glamorgan
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:08:23:32:01
According to the official site Ian Blackwell is alive and well and living in Cricket St Thomas (nr Chard).
It also seems that this new kit is only for the FPT and we're back to blue and red for the later events...they are all on the photo anyway it seems and Blackie's wearoing one of them (and a cowbot hat!!)....Don't ask
It also seems that this new kit is only for the FPT and we're back to blue and red for the later events...they are all on the photo anyway it seems and Blackie's wearoing one of them (and a cowbot hat!!)....Don't ask
Re: Friendly v Glamorgan
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:08:23:36:28
'Cor blimey,they know how to sell cricket don't they?
That event looks really classy,that'll get them flooding in.
That event looks really classy,that'll get them flooding in.
Re: Friendly v Glamorgan
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:08:23:42:19
Along with poor old Banger in Macdonalds on the high street to drag in the kids. Wonder if he'll be in an orange wig!!
Re: Friendly v Glamorgan
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:08:23:53:05
Don't give them ideas Grockle.
It's enough to make you cringe.
Dumbing down?
Who mentioned it?
It's enough to make you cringe.
Dumbing down?
Who mentioned it?
Re: Friendly v Glamorgan
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:09:09:37:46
I thought Grockle was joking.
I honestly think I'm going to vomit.
Do they really think this is the right thing to do?
I despair,I truly do.
I honestly think I'm going to vomit.
Do they really think this is the right thing to do?
I despair,I truly do.
Re: Friendly v Glamorgan
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:09:09:45:17
Well it's a place for the kids to congregate in the centre of Taunton but it may not be giving the best 'health' message to the audience.
Although I think regurgitation is a bit over the top BJ. Get 'em where they live first I think and then re-educate later perhaps?
Although I think regurgitation is a bit over the top BJ. Get 'em where they live first I think and then re-educate later perhaps?
Re: Friendly v Glamorgan
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:09:09:47:34
How about schools?
Do all kids go to Mcdonalds?
It is wrong for any number of reasons.
Do all kids go to Mcdonalds?
It is wrong for any number of reasons.
Re: Friendly v Glamorgan
Posted by: wurzel (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:09:09:48:07
Quote:Grockle
According to the official site Ian Blackwell is alive and well and living in Cricket St Thomas (nr Chard).
It also seems that this new kit is only for the FPT and we're back to blue and red for the later events...they are all on the photo anyway it seems and Blackie's wearoing one of them (and a cowbot hat!!)....Don't ask
I thought they said Blackie had lost weight.
Blobby, Blobby.
Re: Friendly v Glamorgan
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:09:10:20:31
It's the cowboy hat!
Thinking about the statements about fast food and obesity making the rounds at the moment, maybe it isn't the right client group anyway.
But they want to get them centrally and Mac's does have the space to do it I suppose. I don't now how widely it is being advertsised about the place (I got it off the website but if kids are going on their then they probably are already members).
Schools are on Spring break and there is a number of them across the town so you'd be pushed to use the really recognisable noggin of banger in all of them.
Thinking about the statements about fast food and obesity making the rounds at the moment, maybe it isn't the right client group anyway.
But they want to get them centrally and Mac's does have the space to do it I suppose. I don't now how widely it is being advertsised about the place (I got it off the website but if kids are going on their then they probably are already members).
Schools are on Spring break and there is a number of them across the town so you'd be pushed to use the really recognisable noggin of banger in all of them.
Re: Friendly v Glamorgan
Posted by: wurzel (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:09:10:36:50
Ref the oragne wig, Luke has one (similar to Tractors Jock variety) which he acquired at Tunbridge Wells, a few years ago, promoting Orangeboom!
My diet suffered yesterday. I allowed myself a rare 'treat' at McDonalds and put on 1lb!
Just in case McDonalds sue me for libel, it could have been cheese toasties I had at lunchtime.![[:wor kid:]](../phorum-5.1.15/mods/smileys/images/13.gif "[:wor kid:]")
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2008:04:09:10:41:22 by wurzel.
My diet suffered yesterday. I allowed myself a rare 'treat' at McDonalds and put on 1lb!
Just in case McDonalds sue me for libel, it could have been cheese toasties I had at lunchtime.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2008:04:09:10:41:22 by wurzel.
Re: Friendly v Glamorgan
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:09:11:06:42
Quote:Grockle
According to the official site Ian Blackwell is alive and well and living in Cricket St Thomas (nr Chard).
It also seems that this new kit is only for the FPT and we're back to blue and red for the later events...they are all on the photo anyway it seems and Blackie's wearoing one of them (and a cowbot hat!!)....Don't ask
I'm confused.
Surely Blackie is on the extreme left, in the new shirt. CK is third from the right, also in the new shirt. The other players (and shirts) are from other teams.
How does that indicate that we'll revert to any other shirt?
Am I being dense?
Re: Friendly v Glamorgan
Posted by: Ajay (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:09:20:35:02
3 or 4 other pictures of the Day out at Cricket St Thomas are available on the Worcester CCC site.
Worth a look. Some horses involved Jim!
Click on the link 'A Wild West of a Competition'
The lads in red are from Glamorgan.
Worth a look. Some horses involved Jim!
Click on the link 'A Wild West of a Competition'
The lads in red are from Glamorgan.
Re: Friendly v Glamorgan
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:09:23:22:48
Cheers for that Ajay,those pictures really cheered me up.
It's good to see the marketing men/women/people are on the ball.
And no,you're not being dense FE.
you were spot on.
It's good to see the marketing men/women/people are on the ball.
And no,you're not being dense FE.
you were spot on.
Re: Friendly v Glamorgan
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:09:23:57:36
The picture I saw only had Craig in the grey stuff and Blackie in the middle in the major red with blue kit. Can't see why he would be wearing that unless it is going to be used later. Then again it was all at quite a distance so it could be me mistaking faces. If that is the case however, there are a couple of sides whose kit is soooo similar as to be a waste of time!!
Re: Friendly v Glamorgan
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:10:06:24:31
I think you may be looking at Glamorgan's Mike Powell.
Re: Friendly v Glamorgan
Posted by: wurzel (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:10:06:38:16
Quote:Big Jim
And no,you're not being dense FE.
you were spot on.
The thought of it, FE being dense!
Re: Friendly v Glamorgan
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:10:09:08:11
Big Mike it is,he looks like he's been getting stuck into the SA over the Winter.
Makes our Blackie look like Kate Moss.
Well not quite perhaps but definitely better looking and with more personality.My wife is still madly in love with Blackie and made me write the bit about better looking.
Mind you a coat hanger has got more personality than Kate Moss.
I ramble.
Again.
Makes our Blackie look like Kate Moss.
Well not quite perhaps but definitely better looking and with more personality.My wife is still madly in love with Blackie and made me write the bit about better looking.
Mind you a coat hanger has got more personality than Kate Moss.
I ramble.
Again.
Re: Friendly v Glamorgan
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:10:09:09:26
Sorry guys and gals. Have now seen the second photo on the official site and it is far clearer that the guy I though was ITB wasn't.
That is partly because he does look a little more sylph-like despite Wurzel's assessment.
Our move away from the old kit does show how similar the coloured kits were getting though. I can't see all that much difference between one of the kits on there and our old version!!
That is partly because he does look a little more sylph-like despite Wurzel's assessment.
Our move away from the old kit does show how similar the coloured kits were getting though. I can't see all that much difference between one of the kits on there and our old version!!
Re: Friendly v Glamorgan
Posted by: Shepton Paul (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:10:09:14:43
I suspect Mike Powell's just happy to be alive and playing after what he went through last year, even if it means adding on a few pounds!
Re: Friendly v Glamorgan
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:10:09:50:31
Absolutely right SP.
He's a top bloke too and I'm sure we all wish him well.
Could be a very good year for mighty Glam.
He's a top bloke too and I'm sure we all wish him well.
Could be a very good year for mighty Glam.
Re: Heavy Cloud and the Welsh
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:10:11:44:13
Hope this works. Any info about Thursday would be gratefully received because I'm not going to be there.
Re: Heavy Cloud and the Welsh
Posted by: Shepton Paul (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:10:12:54:16
Dontcha just love these 'other sites' that keep you up to date with what's going on?
JF leading a charmed life, it seems.
Thanks Higgers - hope you have a fruitless afternoon!
JF leading a charmed life, it seems.
Thanks Higgers - hope you have a fruitless afternoon!
Re: Heavy Cloud and the Welsh
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:10:13:46:48
I wonder if it's because they are a 'national' as well? Wouldn't take a lot to just pop in and post someting would it?
Ahh well, Welsh coverage of the cricket is much better than most during the summer anyway....once the rugby has finished of course.
It's raining at SCAT so they may be delayed in the afternoon I'm afraid.
Ahh well, Welsh coverage of the cricket is much better than most during the summer anyway....once the rugby has finished of course.
It's raining at SCAT so they may be delayed in the afternoon I'm afraid.
Re: Heavy Cloud and the Welsh
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:10:15:09:23
223-4 at an early tea.
Durston is making his case, it seems.
Durston is making his case, it seems.
Re: Heavy Cloud and the Welsh
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:10:15:30:15
Report on the Glam. website by Andrew Hignell.
I wonder whether he is any relation of the former Gloocestershire cricketer and England rugby full-back Alistair.
Having just looked him up on Cricket Archive, if he is Andrew Keith Hignell then he is Alastair's son.
I wonder whether he is any relation of the former Gloocestershire cricketer and England rugby full-back Alistair.
Having just looked him up on Cricket Archive, if he is Andrew Keith Hignell then he is Alastair's son.
Re: Heavy Cloud and the Welsh
Posted by: Ajay (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:10:16:08:28
Glamorgan CCC 1st XI Scorer & Archivist Dr Andrew Hignell.
No relation to Alistair.
No relation to Alistair.
Re: Heavy Cloud and the Welsh
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:10:16:15:58
I do rather wish we could have found more credible opposition than Gloucs and Glam.
A warm-up versus a first division county, i.e. the calibre of opponent that we will be facing this season would surely be a better yardstick?
A warm-up versus a first division county, i.e. the calibre of opponent that we will be facing this season would surely be a better yardstick?
Re: Heavy Cloud and the Welsh
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:10:16:26:57
Thanks, Ajay.
Re: Heavy Cloud and the Welsh
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:10:16:28:59
Play abandoned for the day, I gather .
Re: Heavy Cloud and the Welsh
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:10:17:07:19
[quote Bobstan]Report on the Glam. website by Andrew Hignell.
The link to the report [www.glamorgancricket.com]
The link to the report [www.glamorgancricket.com]
Re: Heavy Cloud and the Welsh
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:10:17:08:36
Quote:AGod
I do rather wish we could have found more credible opposition than Gloucs and Glam.
A warm-up versus a first division county, i.e. the calibre of opponent that we will be facing this season would surely be a better yardstick?
It's potentially double-edged though AG.
There's a lot to be said for keeping on winning.
Re: Heavy Cloud and the Welsh
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:11:06:18:29
It's not looking good this morning.
Very wet and miserable 12 miles towards the coast. I'm hoping for a good afternoon because I'll be there this "arvo" but it's going to have to dry up for that at the moment.
Very wet and miserable 12 miles towards the coast. I'm hoping for a good afternoon because I'll be there this "arvo" but it's going to have to dry up for that at the moment.
Re: Heavy Cloud and the Welsh
Posted by: bloke (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:11:09:19:26
Cloudy but dry in Taunton at the moment.
Re: Heavy Cloud and the Welsh
Posted by: Sloop John B (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:11:09:19:45
According to the Glam site this morning's start is delayed.
Have faith Grock - the weatherman says it will clear up but be very breezy.
Have faith Grock - the weatherman says it will clear up but be very breezy.
Re: Heavy Cloud and the Welsh
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:11:09:27:36
It's drier here (2 miles away) a bit showery but much less comprehensive grey coverage. I'll go and see this afternoon - better than working!
Re: Heavy Cloud and the Welsh
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:11:09:50:43
It's like the wet season here and very cold.A great day to have new windows put in.
Might snow this afternoon apparently.
You know the cricket season has arrived when the weather plays up like this.
As they'd say in Brizzzle,it be all they global warning.
Might snow this afternoon apparently.
You know the cricket season has arrived when the weather plays up like this.
As they'd say in Brizzzle,it be all they global warning.
Re: Heavy Cloud and the Welsh
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:11:09:59:08
The weather is terrible at home at the moment, is raining so hard it is cleaning my windows for me.
I have been told if they get a chance to play they will, Glamorgan wanted to play after tea yesterday.
I have been told if they get a chance to play they will, Glamorgan wanted to play after tea yesterday.
Re: Heavy Cloud and the Welsh
Posted by: bloke (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:11:10:45:07
The sun's out now, but has been showery. Very breezy.
Re: Heavy Cloud and the Welsh
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:11:14:00:08
The Glamorgan site says that play is (was) due to start at 2.30.
I wonder whether it did.
I wonder whether it did.
Re: Heavy Cloud and the Welsh
Posted by: Shepton Paul (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:11:14:56:02
Som declared overnight, Glam 71-1 at tea; Banks got the wicket, Steff and Trigger got some hammer - allegedly.
Re: Heavy Cloud and the Welsh
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:11:15:04:01
Nothing alleged about it I'm afraid Shep.
Not a lot in the pitch and Omari's wicket was more down to the boredom of the umpire than the guile on the ball.
The Welsh report is pretty accurate in fact people.
Not a lot in the pitch and Omari's wicket was more down to the boredom of the umpire than the guile on the ball.
The Welsh report is pretty accurate in fact people.
Re: Heavy Cloud and the Welsh
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:11:15:39:46
Second wicket - high catch by Craig Kieswetter (right over the top of the slips) off the bowling of Turner from the River End. Bye bye Hemp 122 for 2 with the captain contributing 42
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2008:04:11:16:00:08 by Grockle.
Re: Heavy Cloud and the Welsh
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:11:15:47:22
yes, bye bye, David.
Re: Heavy Cloud and the Welsh
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:11:15:47:35
129 for 3 with Powell bowled round his legs by Mr Munday for a massive 4. Got that one in before the Welsh as well!!
Re: Heavy Cloud and the Welsh