Keeps his place
Lancashire without Rain?
Keeps his place
By Grockle April 22 2008
Can we get through a four day game at Old Trafford without rain? Do we want to without Mr Caddick? Well John Francis wants to as he keeps his place and gets the chance to make a claim for a long format spots well after the good start on Sunday against his old club.
Keeps his place
Can we get through a four day game at Old Trafford without rain? Do we want to without Mr Caddick? Well John Francis wants to as he keeps his place and gets the chance to make a claim for a long format spots well after the good start on Sunday against his old club.
v Lancashire (CC1) @ Old Trafford Wednesday 23 April 2008
Radio Coverage (none I can find)
Back to the top for the boys from the West. Lancashire in early April though is a bit of a gamble for a four day start and the weather report is not exactly perfect! Hurry has announced a 12 man squad which will be decided on the basis of 'spin or no spin'.
The squad is: Marcus Trescothick, John Francis, Justin Langer, James Hildreth, Ian Blackwell - they will all play. Neil Edwards is dealing with a family illness and we wish the whole Edwards family the best.
Joining this top 5 will be; Craig Kieswetter, Charl Willoughby, Ben Phillips
and then.... Will Michael Munday play? That will determine the rest of the team. The weather forecast suggests he may not in which case Jones, Trego and Turner will complete the line-up. BUT if he does then who will sit out? Jonah was tight and aggressive on Sunday and without the wickets, produced the best set of figures. Pete Trego did not get the opportunity to bat and took a decent amount of 'tap' when he bowled. Mark Turner has looked really pacey when he played in the friendlies but is he ready this early in the season to take the new ball or will Steffan take it again?
If the weather "up North" is anything like today then Mike may get his chance. Irrespective of whether Munday is in or not I'd personally feel happier if Trigger was left out. Phillips is said to be no mean bat and Trego may not be quite ready yet.
I hope Munday plays. Jonah has earned his right to be there and I want to see if Turner can hack it - he offers a bigger threat with the ball than Trego at the moment and worth the gamble. I don't think I'll get my way but I'm happy with that if it happens.
Lancashire have named Paul Horton, Iain Sutcliffe, Mal Loye, Brad Hodge, Stuart Law (Cpt), Andrew Flintoff, Luke Sutton (Wkt), Glen Chapple, Sajid Mahmood, James Anderson, Gary Keedy and Simon Marshall
They've also included a spinner in leggy Marshall and Anderson comes in for his first outing. No Cork who has a side strain.
It's a hell of a side. Big batting, bowling that promises (but doesn't always deliver) and Luke Sutton, who I last saw play at Taunton a fair few years ago as Somerset captain in a seconds match when he was giving our second team coach Jason Kerr some choice words!!
If we come away with the pointe here then we have definitely made our intent clear. A good first test and we should be happy it has come early. Caddick would be a bonus but he will have to wait and that puts pressure on the other guys to show that reports of the weakness of our seam attack without the main man have been serious examples of mis-information. Should be fun and I'll try and keep up with it here.
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Team Selection for Lancs
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:22:13:43:32
No AC then (see other thread.)
The standard Old Trafford Test pitch tends to have pace and bounce (would have been ideal for Caddy) and to offer turn. It doesn't tend to do vast amounts off the seam, or through the air.
Can we expect something similar tomorrow?
If so, my primary thought is that MKM must play as our best chance of taking 20 wickets under such conditions. What do others think?
If we think it's going to be bouncy, then I'd suggest that Phillips would possibly be a better call than Jonah?
Is there any chance - if conditions are expected to be a la Old Trafford Test - that Mark Turner might be considered?
What do others think?
The standard Old Trafford Test pitch tends to have pace and bounce (would have been ideal for Caddy) and to offer turn. It doesn't tend to do vast amounts off the seam, or through the air.
Can we expect something similar tomorrow?
If so, my primary thought is that MKM must play as our best chance of taking 20 wickets under such conditions. What do others think?
If we think it's going to be bouncy, then I'd suggest that Phillips would possibly be a better call than Jonah?
Is there any chance - if conditions are expected to be a la Old Trafford Test - that Mark Turner might be considered?
What do others think?
Re: Team Selection for Lancs
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:22:14:16:01
Just thought I'd make one point on De Bruyn as well. He has been reccommended by Jimmy Cook (according to Mr Rose.) It was also Cook that reccommended Neil McKenzie and that proved to be a pretty good call.
Re: Team Selection for Lancs
Posted by: BVI Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:22:14:17:29
I think it's a worry. You can understand a little more the motivation behind the hiring of Thomas when you look at our bowling attach shorn of Caddy - just doesn't look Championship winning. Not to belittle the talents of Jones, Phillips, Turner et al, but the man is very difficult to replace.
But let's look to the positives - what an opportunity for someone to stake a claim for a run in the side.
Come on the boys!
BVI Grockle
But let's look to the positives - what an opportunity for someone to stake a claim for a run in the side.
Come on the boys!
BVI Grockle
Re: Team Selection for Lancs
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:22:15:02:59
I'd like Turner to be given the chance to prove he's the long-term, new-ball prospect.
My XI would be
Banger
NEddy
Langer
Emperor
Blackie
BoBo
CK
OB or Big Ben
Turner
Willo
Munday
My XI would be
Banger
NEddy
Langer
Emperor
Blackie
BoBo
CK
OB or Big Ben
Turner
Willo
Munday
Re: Team Selection for Lancs
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:22:15:06:45
Yep, FE, I tend to agree with that team. My inclusion of Turner is very much in the category of predilection as opposed to prediction, however.
Re: Team Selection for Lancs
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:22:15:10:58
Ben would probably get the nod over Omari from me, as I think 4 decent seamers are a higher priority than a third spinner.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2008:04:22:15:12:11 by Frome Exile.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2008:04:22:15:12:11 by Frome Exile.
Re: Team Selection for Lancs
Posted by: BVI Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:22:15:17:17
Is Francis not in better early season form than Edwards? That's not to say necessarily that he will get picked, but last season's runs will only last you so long in this competitive squad.
BVI Grockle
BVI Grockle
Re: Team Selection for Lancs
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:22:15:19:41
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All looking potentially academic, I'm afraid.
Not the kind of weather in which one would wish to bowl leg-spin, either.
Let's hope this is the only CC game that Caddy misses, in which case inclement weather here would not be a disaster, overall.
All looking potentially academic, I'm afraid.
Not the kind of weather in which one would wish to bowl leg-spin, either.
Let's hope this is the only CC game that Caddy misses, in which case inclement weather here would not be a disaster, overall.
Re: Team Selection for Lancs
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:22:19:10:33
The other place has named the 12.
Somerset (from) M.Trescothick, J.Francis, J.Langer (capt), J.Hildreth, I.Blackwell, P.Trego, C.Kieswetter (wkt). B.Phillips, M.Munday, C.Willoughby, M.Turner, S.Jones.
Francis does get a chance, AG, but for reasons other than those he would probably wish for. Neil Edwards has a seriously ill relative.
Thinking positive thoughts for you and yours, Neil.
Says Ben will and Munday is likely to play, so it's Turner vs. Steff for the final spot, depending on the pace expected from the pitch on final inspection.
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Somerset (from) M.Trescothick, J.Francis, J.Langer (capt), J.Hildreth, I.Blackwell, P.Trego, C.Kieswetter (wkt). B.Phillips, M.Munday, C.Willoughby, M.Turner, S.Jones.
Francis does get a chance, AG, but for reasons other than those he would probably wish for. Neil Edwards has a seriously ill relative.
Thinking positive thoughts for you and yours, Neil.
Says Ben will and Munday is likely to play, so it's Turner vs. Steff for the final spot, depending on the pace expected from the pitch on final inspection.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2008:04:22:19:15:09 by Frome Exile.
Re: Team Selection for Lancs
Posted by: AGod2 (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:22:19:23:53
It wasn't me that asked about JF, but that is bad news about NE. I wonder whether this situation is not terribly new and whether NE might actually have been given first crack at the one-day side as well, if not for this?
The squad seems reasonable enough given that AC is indisposed and the Safers are not yet available.
I wonder about Banks, though. He doesn't really seem to be in contention so far, which is a bit of a surprise. Perhaps the feeling is that he is very much unsuited to the cold and the damp of an early English summer and we will see him later on?
Whilst happy for JF that he is going to get a chance to show his mettle, I'm also a little dissappointed that there is no chance for Wes to stake a claim in the middle order, prior to De Bruyn's arrival (JL could always have replaced NE?)
In spite of the fact that the weather will be tough for him, it's very good to see faith being shown in MKM so early in the piece.
The squad seems reasonable enough given that AC is indisposed and the Safers are not yet available.
I wonder about Banks, though. He doesn't really seem to be in contention so far, which is a bit of a surprise. Perhaps the feeling is that he is very much unsuited to the cold and the damp of an early English summer and we will see him later on?
Whilst happy for JF that he is going to get a chance to show his mettle, I'm also a little dissappointed that there is no chance for Wes to stake a claim in the middle order, prior to De Bruyn's arrival (JL could always have replaced NE?)
In spite of the fact that the weather will be tough for him, it's very good to see faith being shown in MKM so early in the piece.
Re: Team Selection for Lancs
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:22:19:33:07
Apologies, AG. The question re. JF came from BVIG.
Re: Team Selection for Lancs
Posted by: BVI Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:22:20:15:07
No-one likes to be proved correct in such circumstances. Wishing all the best to NE's family.
Looking at the forecast on the link provided, it definitely looks cold but nothing implies the whole game will be affected.
BVI Grockle
Looking at the forecast on the link provided, it definitely looks cold but nothing implies the whole game will be affected.
BVI Grockle
Re: Team Selection for Lancs
Posted by: tufnell parka (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:22:20:15:39
Hooray for the cricket season
Re: Lancashire without Rain?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:22:22:55:56
This front page is the first part of a four day epic I hope.
This would do soooo much for us if we can walk away with the lion's share of the points on this one.
If anyone is gooing then comments would be very gratefully received. Baggy are you doing this one?
This would do soooo much for us if we can walk away with the lion's share of the points on this one.
If anyone is gooing then comments would be very gratefully received. Baggy are you doing this one?
Re: Lancashire without Rain?
Posted by: tufnell parka (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:08:47:29
the weather in forecast is not too bad today according to the excellent bbc service
i think there might be a slight delay but we will be off by noon and play all day
as for thursday, weather is bad overnight but clears up again. we might well lose the morning session tomorrow
i think there might be a slight delay but we will be off by noon and play all day
as for thursday, weather is bad overnight but clears up again. we might well lose the morning session tomorrow
Re: Lancashire without Rain?
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:10:03:14
Grockle's take on things is somewhat different from my reading of Rose's and Hurry's words on the club site.
Munday is "likely to play", with the only doubt being the pitch rather than the forecast. The suggestion is that the major question is between Steff and Mark, again dependent on a reading of the pitch this morning.
Munday is "likely to play", with the only doubt being the pitch rather than the forecast. The suggestion is that the major question is between Steff and Mark, again dependent on a reading of the pitch this morning.
Re: Lancashire without Rain?
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:10:57:30
A slight delay at OT I see.
11.15 start.
11.15 start.
Re: Lancashire without Rain?
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:10:59:35
And we're batting.
Oh dear,I have to go out soon.
Oh dear,I have to go out soon.
Re: Lancashire without Rain?
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:11:04:01
It's a lovely sunny day here, should be played at Taunton.
Re: Lancashire without Rain?
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:11:11:14
And Grockle's "take" on things was clearly the right one, as Munday misses out.
Humble, grovelling apologies, master!
Humble, grovelling apologies, master!
Re: Lancashire without Rain?
Posted by: Blub (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:11:18:25
Can I be first to complain about Cricinfo this season???
Its 11.17 and no scores. Not even an advice of a delayed start. How can I work with this kind of uncertainty?
Its 11.17 and no scores. Not even an advice of a delayed start. How can I work with this kind of uncertainty?
Re: Lancashire without Rain?
Posted by: Blub (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:11:19:35
although I see from the BBC website that we have made a steady start - after one ball.
Re: Lancashire without Rain?
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:11:21:56
Quote:Blub
Can I be first to complain about Cricinfo this season???
NO! You are very much too late for that! See the Fenner's threads!
Re: Lancashire without Rain?
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:11:25:06
Now I wonder who bowled the wide?
Re: Lancashire without Rain?
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:11:27:55
well, a bit dissappointing not to see MM but entirely understandable, given the inclement weather.
I also wonder whether the absence of AC might have Mr Rose thinking that a draw would not be a bad result and that Munday's absence will strengthen the batting?
I also wonder whether the absence of AC might have Mr Rose thinking that a draw would not be a bad result and that Munday's absence will strengthen the batting?
Re: Lancashire without Rain?
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:11:30:59
It has to be said, they have a very strong batting line up with Sutcliffe, Loye and the two Aussies (no, Law is not 'English.')
Re: Lancashire without Rain?
Posted by: Blub (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:11:33:01
FE - doh! i'll claim the first serious (Championship) complaint then?
AG - I reckon that MM lost out to Turner, so I'm not sure that that makes much difference to the batting. Unlike some, I reckon that both Trego and Phillips were always "in".
AG - I reckon that MM lost out to Turner, so I'm not sure that that makes much difference to the batting. Unlike some, I reckon that both Trego and Phillips were always "in".
Re: Lancashire without Rain?
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:11:35:07
Quote:AGod
I also wonder whether the absence of AC might have Mr Rose thinking that a draw would not be a bad result and that Munday's absence will strengthen the batting?
To be honest, AG, I would hope that at this stage MR. Rose's thinking would be irrelevant. Surely the selection of the final XI is a matter for Messrs. Langer and Hurry? I would also hope that Mr. Langer's thinking hasn't yet countenanced the kind negativity of which you speak.
Re: Lancashire without Rain?
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:12:05:59
Well, Jimmy Anderson has, so far, been the less productive of the two opening bowlers.
Will anybody be surprised if, by the day's end, he has been the least productive of all the Lancs bowlers with only his fellow 'international bowler,' Mahmood rivalling him?
btw.. to judge from events elsewhere in the country (or lack thereof), I suspect that the rain has actually yet to reach Manchester, as opposed to having been and gone (if it had been and gone, wouldn't one have expected the games in the midlands etc to have commenced, or at least have a time set for their commencement?)
Bad news about JF. As I said before the game, I would have thought JL opening and Wes at five (or six if you want to promote Ian) would have made the most sense.
Will anybody be surprised if, by the day's end, he has been the least productive of all the Lancs bowlers with only his fellow 'international bowler,' Mahmood rivalling him?
btw.. to judge from events elsewhere in the country (or lack thereof), I suspect that the rain has actually yet to reach Manchester, as opposed to having been and gone (if it had been and gone, wouldn't one have expected the games in the midlands etc to have commenced, or at least have a time set for their commencement?)
Bad news about JF. As I said before the game, I would have thought JL opening and Wes at five (or six if you want to promote Ian) would have made the most sense.
Re: Lancashire without Rain?
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:12:18:37
Get through Chapple's first spell without further damage and things might start to look a little healthier, he said, hopefully.
Re: Lancashire without Rain?
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:12:50:46
I think the one truly redeeming feature about this innings, so far, is that at least it's 22.5 overs down for the two wickets.
Hopefully, if the pitch started slightly damp, it will dry.
Conversely, if it's a hard, bouncy pitch in the vein of their usual Test tracks, then hopefully Banger is banging the shine off the new cherry and will continue to do so.
p.s we need the skipper to get some runs in the 2nd dig, to get him into form.
If he doesn't, I wonder if we might put him up top with Banger for the Worcs FP game (just in case Banger and Kieswetter bat for 45 overs or something) and he doesn't get a knock?
Hopefully, if the pitch started slightly damp, it will dry.
Conversely, if it's a hard, bouncy pitch in the vein of their usual Test tracks, then hopefully Banger is banging the shine off the new cherry and will continue to do so.
p.s we need the skipper to get some runs in the 2nd dig, to get him into form.
If he doesn't, I wonder if we might put him up top with Banger for the Worcs FP game (just in case Banger and Kieswetter bat for 45 overs or something) and he doesn't get a knock?
Re: Lancashire without Rain?
Posted by: Slow Left Chinaman (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:12:55:55
I may have missed something but isnt this the team?
wicketkeeperC Kieswetter, ID Blackwell, PD Trego, ML Turner, BJ Phillips, MK Munday, CM Willoughby plus, the 4 that are in or gone.
wicketkeeperC Kieswetter, ID Blackwell, PD Trego, ML Turner, BJ Phillips, MK Munday, CM Willoughby plus, the 4 that are in or gone.
Re: Lancashire without Rain?
Posted by: fiddlesticks (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:13:00:54
Thats certainly what the bbc sport scorecard is reading....
Re: Lancashire without Rain?
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:13:04:03
Kieswetter, Trescothick, Langer, Hildreth, Blackwell, Trego, Turner, Phillips, Jones, Francis, Willoughby
That on my BBC site.
[news.bbc.co.uk]
That on my BBC site.
[news.bbc.co.uk]
Re: Lancashire without Rain?
Posted by: tufnell parka (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:13:11:05
From the Guardian
12.30pm and here is Andy Wilson at Old Trafford: Somerset 33-2, and should be three - Trescothick dropped at second slip by Stuart Law off Anderson when he had scored 10, and has moved to 27 with a few clubbed boundaries. Anderson has generated decent pace from the Stretford End in an opening spell of eight overs and counting, but both wickets have gone to Glen Chapple - John Francis lbw, and Langer superbly caught by Sajid Mahmood in the deep after top-edging a pull.
12.30pm and here is Andy Wilson at Old Trafford: Somerset 33-2, and should be three - Trescothick dropped at second slip by Stuart Law off Anderson when he had scored 10, and has moved to 27 with a few clubbed boundaries. Anderson has generated decent pace from the Stretford End in an opening spell of eight overs and counting, but both wickets have gone to Glen Chapple - John Francis lbw, and Langer superbly caught by Sajid Mahmood in the deep after top-edging a pull.
Re: Lancashire without Rain?
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:13:11:29
What are the rules this year?
3 two hour sections.
They seem to be playing after 1PM is that because of the late start?
3 two hour sections.
They seem to be playing after 1PM is that because of the late start?
Lancs v Somerset match thread
Posted by: sheffieldsabre (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:11:09:03
And we're off! Life has started again!
We have won the toss and will bat. The team is:
PD Trego, BJ Phillips, ID Blackwell, JC Hildreth, PS Jones, JL Langer, ME Trescothick, C Kieswetter, ML Turner, CM Willoughby, JD Francis
We have won the toss and will bat. The team is:
PD Trego, BJ Phillips, ID Blackwell, JC Hildreth, PS Jones, JL Langer, ME Trescothick, C Kieswetter, ML Turner, CM Willoughby, JD Francis
Re: Lancs v Somerset match thread
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:11:13:44
Thread already started by the Boss.
Re: Lancs v Somerset match thread
Posted by: sheffieldsabre (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:11:46:54
Whoops, sorry - didn't mean to tread on Grockle's toes ... will post further comments on the other thread.
Re: Lancs v Somerset match thread
Posted by: tufnell parka (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:12:40:57
12.30pm and here is Andy Wilson at Old Trafford: Somerset 33-2, and should be three - Trescothick dropped at second slip by Stuart Law off Anderson when he had scored 10, and has moved to 27 with a few clubbed boundaries. Anderson has generated decent pace from the Stretford End in an opening spell of eight overs and counting, but both wickets have gone to Glen Chapple - John Francis lbw, and Langer superbly caught by Sajid Mahmood in the deep after top-edging a pull.
Re: Lancs v Somerset match thread
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:12:50:15
See what you have done SS 
Re: Lancashire without Rain?
Posted by: Blub (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:13:13:09
Cricinfo notes Munday in, Jones out. Although they didn't start off this way - definitely.
FE - can I be first to complain twice about Cricinfo?
Perhaps there is some new rule where the teams are only confirmed when the batters actually come out?
FE - can I be first to complain twice about Cricinfo?
Perhaps there is some new rule where the teams are only confirmed when the batters actually come out?
Re: Lancashire without Rain?
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:13:13:36
CricInfo had Jones in at the toss, but it now shows Munday in his place.
Re: Lancashire without Rain?
Posted by: Slow Left Chinaman (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:13:16:51
BBC now changed?: Kieswetter, Trescothick, Langer, Hildreth, Blackwell, Trego, Turner, Phillips, Munday, Francis, Willoughby
I can understand how they have no information, but how do both sites keep getting it wrong?
I can understand how they have no information, but how do both sites keep getting it wrong?
Re: Lancashire without Rain?
Posted by: tufnell parka (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:13:20:23
Re: Lancashire without Rain?
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:13:21:42
Apparently all the web and mobile content-providers get their scorecards from the same source. I think it's the Press Agency, but I suspect bloke or Grockle may be able to enlighten us further on that?
Re: Lancashire without Rain?
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:13:24:30
So MKM does play!?
Fantastic news, though I don't envy him having to flip his shoulder in the temperatures up there.
What better compensation could there be for Caddy's absence than if Munday were to remove the likes of Hodge and Law. That would have be walking on cloud nine!
Fantastic news, though I don't envy him having to flip his shoulder in the temperatures up there.
What better compensation could there be for Caddy's absence than if Munday were to remove the likes of Hodge and Law. That would have be walking on cloud nine!
Re: Lancashire without Rain?
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:13:26:07
Hi TP.
If you have a profile for the guardian blog, could you point out to their man that Omari isn't a Kolpak?
Edit: Blimey, that was quick! Could you add that he wasn't in the 12, either.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2008:04:23:13:31:18 by Frome Exile.
If you have a profile for the guardian blog, could you point out to their man that Omari isn't a Kolpak?
Edit: Blimey, that was quick! Could you add that he wasn't in the 12, either.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2008:04:23:13:31:18 by Frome Exile.
Re: Lancashire without Rain?
Posted by: tufnell parka (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:13:28:46
F.E - it is done
Re: Lancashire without Rain?
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:13:29:47
Well done to JH for facing down 55 balls in what must have been - initially at least - a pretty highly pressured situation.
We do have a potentially long tail, depending on what kind of form Ben Phillips is, or isn't in (he's presumably not batted in a meaningful game for some considerable time?)
Turner did make runs against Derbys last season, but I was at the game and I saw Charl hit at least two - and probably - three sixes. One can, therefore, surmise that conditions were not exactly demanding.
In light of the potentially long tail it was hugely important that we did not lose a 3rd before lunch and JH has avoided that eventuality. Well done.
We do have a potentially long tail, depending on what kind of form Ben Phillips is, or isn't in (he's presumably not batted in a meaningful game for some considerable time?)
Turner did make runs against Derbys last season, but I was at the game and I saw Charl hit at least two - and probably - three sixes. One can, therefore, surmise that conditions were not exactly demanding.
In light of the potentially long tail it was hugely important that we did not lose a 3rd before lunch and JH has avoided that eventuality. Well done.
Re: Lancashire without Rain?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:13:32:12
Im surprised that Trigger got the nod over Jonah. Though Jones bowled really well on Sunday and Trigs bowled like a drain for four overs.
Credit to PT for coming back after that but Phillips can match his batting (and so can Jonah for that matter - if we are relying on Pete to hold the batting together then we have much bigger problems. The batting bowlers should be icing the cake for us).
The weather here might be just the stuff for Mr Munday (if it exists in Lancs as well) but will it last? Great opportunity for Turner.
I've merged it all guys and gals and will continue to do so.
No radio coverage that I can find. If anyone finds some let me know please. Scorecards are all updated now, sorry for the delay - busy morning.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2008:04:23:13:39:47 by Grockle.
Credit to PT for coming back after that but Phillips can match his batting (and so can Jonah for that matter - if we are relying on Pete to hold the batting together then we have much bigger problems. The batting bowlers should be icing the cake for us).
The weather here might be just the stuff for Mr Munday (if it exists in Lancs as well) but will it last? Great opportunity for Turner.
I've merged it all guys and gals and will continue to do so.
No radio coverage that I can find. If anyone finds some let me know please. Scorecards are all updated now, sorry for the delay - busy morning.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2008:04:23:13:39:47 by Grockle.
Re: Lancashire without Rain?
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:13:32:32
I see from the latest update on the Guardian blog that they've given Banger three lives!
Make them pay this afternoon, feller!
Make them pay this afternoon, feller!
Re: Lancashire without Rain?
Posted by: bloke (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:13:38:51
PA (Press Association) provide cricket scores, and I suspect that's what the BBC use. Not sure about Cricinfo - especially given the discrepancies we saw with the Fenners game.
I've looked at the PA feed from this morning, and you're spot on, at 11:00 they gave the team as:
Somerset: C Kieswetter (Wkt), M E Trescothick, J L Langer (Capt), J C Hildreth, I D Blackwell, P D Trego, M L Turner, B J Phillips, P S Jones, J D Francis, C M Willoughby.
And at 13:23 they'd replaced Jones with Munday.
PA at fault then, but it could be that their source of info was wrong.
I've looked at the PA feed from this morning, and you're spot on, at 11:00 they gave the team as:
Somerset: C Kieswetter (Wkt), M E Trescothick, J L Langer (Capt), J C Hildreth, I D Blackwell, P D Trego, M L Turner, B J Phillips, P S Jones, J D Francis, C M Willoughby.
And at 13:23 they'd replaced Jones with Munday.
PA at fault then, but it could be that their source of info was wrong.
Re: Lancashire without Rain?
Posted by: tufnell parka (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:13:41:06
make them pay indeed banger
Re: Lancashire without Rain?
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:13:41:16
I have answered my own earlier question for the LVCC
Start - 11.00am
Lunch - 1.00pm – 1.40pm
Tea - 3.40pm – 4.00pm
Close - 6.00pm
On each of the first three days there is provision for playing time to be extended
by the amount of time lost in that day up to a maximum of 30 minutes.
Start - 11.00am
Lunch - 1.00pm – 1.40pm
Tea - 3.40pm – 4.00pm
Close - 6.00pm
On each of the first three days there is provision for playing time to be extended
by the amount of time lost in that day up to a maximum of 30 minutes.
Re: Lancashire without Rain?
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:13:43:30
disgustingly, the minimum overs in the day has been lowered again this season.
Re: Lancashire without Rain?
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:13:48:30
Grockle - as I suggested, it's presumably unlikely that Phillips has any recent batting form behind him in any meaningful game? Therefore, it must surely be a 'reach,' to suggest that he can match the battting of a man who averaged 57 last year? You'd have to go back to, probably, mid-2006 for the last time he made any significant runs?
As for Jonah, he made a ton and two fifties last year but, I believe, barely made a run after about the end of June. Overall average was, also, way lower than Pete's.
What I will say about Jonah is that when he did really well in the past - both for us and both for Derby, it was when he had the new ball. If one accepts that there is a new-ball vacancy for this game (Phillips is not a new ball bowler, by trade) then picking Jonah to take the new cherry with Charl could have made a lot of sense.
I also sympathise with your view that we shouldn't HAVE to rely on Pete for runs. However, we are down our no.5 from last season and down a 1,000 run opener for this particular game. I may regret saying this, but I suspect we might be glad of Pete's batting in this game, before the match is out.
As for Jonah, he made a ton and two fifties last year but, I believe, barely made a run after about the end of June. Overall average was, also, way lower than Pete's.
What I will say about Jonah is that when he did really well in the past - both for us and both for Derby, it was when he had the new ball. If one accepts that there is a new-ball vacancy for this game (Phillips is not a new ball bowler, by trade) then picking Jonah to take the new cherry with Charl could have made a lot of sense.
I also sympathise with your view that we shouldn't HAVE to rely on Pete for runs. However, we are down our no.5 from last season and down a 1,000 run opener for this particular game. I may regret saying this, but I suspect we might be glad of Pete's batting in this game, before the match is out.
Re: Lancashire without Rain?
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:13:49:55
Thanks, bloke. I was sure I had asked the question of someone "in the know" about three years ago (I think I e-mailed CricInfo with a query, but can't be sure of my recollection) and I was pretty sure they had said something along the lines of "Everybody uses PA!"
Clearly the guy at the Guardian has some duff info, because he believes Banks was left out for Munday; and that Banks is a Kolpak (although TP has corrected his error on that score
)
Clearly the guy at the Guardian has some duff info, because he believes Banks was left out for Munday; and that Banks is a Kolpak (although TP has corrected his error on that score
)Re: Lancashire without Rain?
Posted by: tufnell parka (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:13:54:13
From the Guardian blog host, Andy Bull
Tufnell, you're quite right. Omari Banks is from British Anguilla, which means - beacause of the country's status - he can play for Somerset without being registered as an overseas or Kolpak player.
It is great to see that Somerset are playing Munday, who - in total contrast to Banks - is a terrible fielder and batsman but a very promising legspinner and has come up through the Somerset youth system. Terry Jenner said that Munday was the most promising of the young English legspinners he had coached - from a group including Adil Rashid.
Kudos to Somerset for picking Munday when they have a very capable batsman / stock off-spinner waiting for a game in Banks.
Tufnell, you're quite right. Omari Banks is from British Anguilla, which means - beacause of the country's status - he can play for Somerset without being registered as an overseas or Kolpak player.
It is great to see that Somerset are playing Munday, who - in total contrast to Banks - is a terrible fielder and batsman but a very promising legspinner and has come up through the Somerset youth system. Terry Jenner said that Munday was the most promising of the young English legspinners he had coached - from a group including Adil Rashid.
Kudos to Somerset for picking Munday when they have a very capable batsman / stock off-spinner waiting for a game in Banks.
Re: Lancashire without Rain?
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:14:02:02
Another reference to MKM being some kind of total dud in the field. BobStan has said that he was perfectly presentable when he saw him in person at Northampton, I think it was?
What impressions have others formed?
What impressions have others formed?
Re: Lancashire without Rain?
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 2008:04:23:14:11:25
One man show at the moment; with some help