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Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2

Century Maker
By Grockle
September 19 2008
Ian Blackwell, Somerset batsman and spinner shows the reason why he is an integral part of the county setup with a vital unbeaten century on Day 2 of this important game. At a tme when there are questions about his future there is only one thing that a cricketer can do and Ian did it today!

Day 2 Scarborough

Finishing on 160 for 3 looked promising for the County's hopes of Championship Glory.  The early in-roads made by Yorkshire had been settled by Suppiah and Hildreth and we looked forward to a productive morning.

Unfortunately Arul went early adding only 3 to his personal score and helping to put a mere 7 more on the our first innings total.  Blackwell  was next man in and helped James  take us over the 200 mark.  Unfortunately Hilders couldn't take it any further and Craig's return produced only 19 runs. Not a great position to be facing in our penultimate Championship game.  But we have Peter Trego coming in at Number 8 and Ian B was already at the crease.

Somersets Peter Trego hits out during the LV County Championship match at North Marine Road, Scarbor

Peter Trego hits out moving towards 50

So from 219 for 6 the two men move the score to 318 before Hoggard gets one past Trigger for an excellent 51.  But Ian isn't finished and with the help of a flurry of boundaries and 14 from Charl Willoughby the Mighty IB ends the inniinigs on an unbeaten 127 from a score of 380 all out.  What would it have been without the contributions at the back end from a couple of players who seem to be 'out of favour' with the management?  Something around the 200 mark.

Somersets Peter Trego is bowled by Yorkshires Matthew Hoggard for 51 runs during the LV County Champ

And Just after that landmark he goes to Hoggy

Somersets Ian Blackwell hits out during the LV County Championship match at North Marine Road, Scarb

But this man is still there!!

There seems to be an unspoken issue about the future of Ian Blackwell as a Sabre. Rumours of character clashes with the captain and disagreements about attitudes to the game have been rife for two months.  Ian has not played a Pro40 one day game for the county this year even though he is without doubt our most experienced slow bowling all rounder and has been performing in the four day tournament at a level above many of his peers in the squad. 

Somersets Ian Blackwell hits out during the LV County Championship match at North Marine Road, Scarb

And still there.... Does that look like the stroke of an "out and out slogger"?

No comment has been made by the club about the position but something strange is afoot and if it ends in the departure of this excellent cricketer to ply his trade elsewhere then the club will be diminshed by not only his absence but the nature of that move to new pastures.

Somersets Ian Blackwell hits out during the LV County Championship match at North Marine Road, Scarb

Are we really sure we can do without this power at our call?  Do we really want to face this man in another team's colours in 2009?  Are we out of our tiny minds?

What we now needed was a bowling performance that would give us a possible winning position in a shortened game.  When Michael Vaughan was caught by Blackwell off Willoughby (not doing too much for his winter prospects unfortunately) we did start to hope.  But that was it as McGrath and Lyth both passed 50 before stumps.

Yorkshires Michael Vaughan leaves the field after being caught out by Somersets Ian Blackwell for 14
Bye Bye Mikey Boy

Two days to go and it doesn't look like top points for us.  It does however for Notts and Durham could go further than us as well.  We need a huge morning tomorrow with loads of wickets, more incisive bowling from our big men and sharp fielding.

Looks like this one might go down to the wire........

Day 3

Well it doesn't go to plan I am sorry to report.  Marine Road does not play to plan and wickets are as rare as roicking horse droppings.  Although no bowler really gets a lot of 'tap', they don't take wickets either and Yorkshire reach 146 before we get Lyth for a well fought 65 courtesy of Alfonso Thomas.  It's another 140 before he bowls Anthony McGrath (what is it about us and him - he gave us grief at Scarborough last time I went there!) for 1 more than Blackwell's score yesterday.

It doesn't look hopeful but the day isn't over yet and although they sit at 287 for 3 they don't get fully away after that thanks to a better spell from Alfonso Thomas with a fiver-fer, ably assisted by Zander de Bruyn and Mr Blackwell wiith 2 each.  Yorkshire fight, especially Rudolph who nearly follows McGrath to 3 figures but we pull them back and they end only 34 ahead of us before the end of the day.

There are overs left and Justin seems to be ready to make a day of the last one by sending in Arul Suppiah and Craig Kieswetter to open our second account.  Is this a kind of 'nightwatchman opening partnership' or have they been given carte blanche to put the bat to ball leaving tomorrow morning for our big guns to put a score on that we can tilt at in the afternoon.  There is little to lose and a result would be a great boost to a flagging Championship push.  Anything here would make the Lancashire game something to behold.  Here's to a dry day and an exciting end to this match.  Go for it Somerset let's show them what a true Championship side is willing to do.

Day 4

Problems!  Marcus is not waiting for a big blast it seems, he is injured and we are putting together a scratch opening pair to keep Yorkshire out it seems.  With Notts motoring towards an innings victory against Surrey we are damage limiting the fact we cannot win by making sure we do not lose.

And it doesn't start by going to plan as Arul and Craig don't stay around or set a real base for a big second innings score.  That bloke Gough decides to get among us on his last appearance for his home county IN his home county.  Kieswetter is bowled at 26 and Suppiah is snapped up by Bresnan at 35 and Goughie has the skipper caught behind for a measly 1 at 39.  It's all looking bad and we find out that Marcus will bat at number 7 (it doesn't look like it ill be too long at this rate).  However, de Bruyn and Hildreth steady the ship with a coupleof scores around 50.

Zander hits 45 and hangs around until we pass 139.  James does better with 63 and we have 166 before he becomes Rashid's second wicket.  Peter Trego and Ian Blackwell continue to take control back.  Trigger  has added 45 before Rashid gets him at 236 and although Trescothick does come out, obviously in pain, he makes only 1 but Blackwell adds to his first inngs centry with a second spell 55 to help the game to a draw. 

Yorkshires Darren Gough hugs Somersets Andrew Caddick after the LV County Championship match at Nort

Two of England's best say goodbye for the last time

Yorkshires Darren Gough leaves the field after playing his final first class match in Yorkshire afte

And one of our best ever says goodbye to his county career - See ya Goughie Thanks a lot mate!

We declare on 314 and the Tykes call it square.  Darren Gough leaves a Yorkshire field dor the last time after quite an emptional farewell to Andy Caddick his partner at international level in so many games.

Notts finish this session 8 poiints clear of us and we have Durham coming up behind.  It's down to beating Lancashire and hoping others fail nest week.  I'm not personally optimistic.  It could be a game too far.  BUT we are still in it and there's another game to win.  On to Taunton.

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Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Grockles.com (IP Logged)
Date: 18/09/2008 23:27

Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2

Blackie is the king!
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 18/09/2008 13:18

He deserves his own thread. A true great.

Somerset please take note. Keep him!

102 n.o.

Re: Blackie is the king!
Posted by: Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
Date: 18/09/2008 13:19

i can only see 88

Re: Blackie is the king!
Posted by: Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
Date: 18/09/2008 13:23

is ok things back to normal, did he take on Hoggy is a rush of boundaries

Re: Blackie is the king!
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 18/09/2008 13:25

Yes, well played Ian, an excellent 100.

Re: Blackie is the king!
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 18/09/2008 13:26

No, he hit 12 off one over from Rashid.

Re: Blackie is the king!
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 18/09/2008 13:30

And he's now scored 8000 first class runs (though some us probably thought it would have been more by now).



LoL

Sixty-one Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: Blackie is the king!
Posted by: BVI Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 18/09/2008 13:37

What a fantastic performance. Arise, Sir Ian



BVI Grockle

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Re: Blackie is the king!
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 18/09/2008 13:38

And over 7300 of them for us!

Re: Blackie is the king!
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 18/09/2008 13:40

Who is this man Blackwell, I haven't seen much of him this season.

Somerset should play him more often.

I wish I had recorded the commentary I would sent it to the Club "recorded delivery". (Get it)



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Re: Blackie is the king!
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 18/09/2008 13:56

Blackie 127 no. My hero!

Re: Blackie is the king!
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 18/09/2008 14:23

And the score would have been considerably different had he and Trigger not been there in our middle order.



(Sm72)

Re: Blackie is the king!
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 18/09/2008 14:30

Yep.. the message could NOT be clearer...

Re: Blackie is the king!
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 18/09/2008 17:58

Nothing more needs saying, he's just done what we all know he can, and does do often.
If he's playing like that for someone else next year then our management need shooting

Re: Blackie is the king!
Posted by: Alan Tucker (IP Logged)
Date: 18/09/2008 18:56

880 championship runs at 44. 3 tons and 5 fifties. Significant point - all 3 centuries scored away from Taunton - Surrey, Hants and Yorks.

And 19 wickets in a non-spinners season

Re: Blackie is the king!
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 18/09/2008 21:29

Compare his career record with ZdB's (to whom no disrespect is intended) and you will see he has played two seasons fewer and has a slightly lower batting average (about 3) but has scored more runs, more centuries and more fifties. Obviously he has also taken more wickets. Not bad for a fat lad...



LoL

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Re: Blackie is the king!
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 18/09/2008 21:48

Only briefly back on the net.

Brilliant from IB.

I wonder if he's good enough to get into our one day team one day ?!

Will make any end of season statement re IB from the Club even more interesting.

Well done Ian.

Grizzzly

Re: Blackie is the king!
Posted by: fRed (IP Logged)
Date: 18/09/2008 22:53

Say no more.



Cricket's the winner.

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Wickham (IP Logged)
Date: 19/09/2008 01:01

A vital innings. And no suprise to any of us that it was IB who came to the rescue.

We all hope for many more contributions like that, Ian - playing for Somerset, of course.

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Congar (IP Logged)
Date: 19/09/2008 02:10

IB

What is frustrating to me is that Ian seems to want to continue his cricket with Somerset, so the only question is does Somerset want him?

I think I know what the majority of supporters think, what about Messrs. Rose and Langer?

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 19/09/2008 05:53

I hope messrs Rose and Langer can inspire the bowlers, this morning. If they can, we have a good chance, but if not..............

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Palairet (IP Logged)
Date: 19/09/2008 11:02

I have never been Derek Pringle's Number One fan, either in his capacity as a player or indeed a journalist.

However, this paragraph from his report in today's Daily Telegraph is so very, very true:-

"Now 30, Blackwell remains something of an unfulfilled talent, having failed to add to the one Test and 34 one-day caps he won for England, the last of them 2½ years ago. Part of the problem is that chunky body-shapes like his are questioned in the modern era by coaches in tracksuits".

I have no doubt that at the end of the Lancashire game at Taunton next week, the players will appear on the players' balcony. Sadly, I do not think (but would be delighted to be proved wrong) that they will appear there as undisputed County Champions for the first time in their 133 year history.

However, appear they will, and I would dearly love to hear reports that all the Somerset fans, members, supporters, and even contributors to this message board, who will be there, will vocally make their feelings known should they consider that Ian Blackwell is a very fine player and a truly adopted son of Somerset.

2009 will be a difficult year for Somerset in any event, and without Ian Blackwell, it could be a catastrophic one.

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 19/09/2008 11:07

"Compare his career record with ZdB's (to whom no disrespect is intended) and you will see he has played two seasons fewer and has a slightly lower batting average (about 3) but has scored more runs, more centuries and more fifties. Obviously he has also taken more wickets."

And he will have got those runs at a better rate of knots.

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: EAST END PARKER (IP Logged)
Date: 19/09/2008 11:27

I saw that innings yesterday,and find it incredible that Somerset would even consider not retaining a player of such outstanding ability.
Other counties I understand have been in touch,and he'll not be short of offers if he's forced to move on.

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 19/09/2008 11:40

Quite so, Loverboy.

p.s. what were you doing all the way up at Scarbourgh?

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 19/09/2008 11:40

If he goes, it will nothing short of scandalous.

Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: somersetcrewe (IP Logged)
Date: 02/09/2008 15:04

Ok, old news to many but not to me.
Why has he not been playing Pro40 this season, the last few games at least?
One of the most destructive players we have, scoring 100s in the 4-day game and here we are on the brink of relegation.
I had heard rumours of discontent, (because he was overlooked as captain?), but how much of any of this is true?
Please enlighten me! Thanks. (Sm120)

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 02/09/2008 15:16

Your interest is understood and appreciated but in my opinion the subject has already been discussed ad nauseam on this site (see for example Somerset News) and I don't think many of us are in the mood to prolong the debate or open up yet another thread on the topic.



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Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 02/09/2008 15:46

My short stab at an answer:

- the club claims that Blackie is out of form and confidence in the one-day game. They would also claim, I think, that his fitness and fielding ability isn't what it might be.

- his form is good in the four-day game, but it wasn't great (as good as previous years) in the FPT and 20-20 earlier this season.

- the club wants to (be seen to) give a go to Arul, Wes and Omari - all potentially good players who either haven't had much of a chance or made the most of the chances they've had.

- many supporters, on this site and elsewhere, disagree with the club's apparent views.

- there is talk of a poor relationship between the captain Justin Langer and Ian. This may pure conjecture, or it may explain Ian's omission from the 40 over team, over and above any of the reasonings above.

- there is popular discontent not only with SCCC's limited over performances and results this season, but also with Langer's tactics.

- it may be that Ian has been offered something elsewhere for next year, and that may be a factor.

- whichever of the above statements hold most water, Ian is not currently in a team which is performing poorly, and those supposedly occupying his role are not covering themselves in glory in any case.

- surely someone with Ian's record, in one-day and four-day cricket, must be in our best eleven!

I think that's pretty fair, albeit constructed in a rush.

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: somersetcrewe (IP Logged)
Date: 02/09/2008 15:57

Thanks SP, worryingly similar to the rumours I'd heard.
And to think on the outside, the club seemed to be heading in the right direction. I guess even in the good times, most clubs have their issues.

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: bloke (IP Logged)
Date: 02/09/2008 16:18

Has anyone considered the possibility that Ian could have told the club he wishes to play regularly and would consider other offers if they came along? That would be enough to set the cat amongst the pigeons...

I should say, this is based on nothing more than a desire of mine to play devil's advocate.

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 02/09/2008 18:47

Here I go again.

If form is one of the reasons given why our Ian is not playing in the "Pro40", you tell me who should be or not be playing.

This is the top six places in the Somerset Pro40 batting averages.


ME Trescothick Averaging 78.28
WJ Durston Averaging 73.00
C Kieswetter Averaging 42.85
Z de Bruyn Averaging 41.00
OAC Banks Averaging 19.66
JL Langer Averaging 17.85


If you think I made it up here is the full table :- [stats.cricinfo.com]

2nd edit.

If they play Ian in the last Pro40 match I will kick the dog, Don't worry Jim I haven't got one.



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Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 02/09/2008 18:55

Hasn't he been playing in the shorter stuff?
They're saving him for the CC.
Obvious to me.

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 02/09/2008 19:21

I think the most significant number on that list Mike, is the very last one !

Grizzzly

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 02/09/2008 19:29

I will go so far as to say "Grizzzly" it could be the bottom two.

Both could be keeping Ian from playing.



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Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 02/09/2008 22:34

Even the penguins can't understand it.

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/09/2008 12:05

Look the facts are that we will almost surely need to replace BOTH of Justin Langer and Andrew Caddick after the 2009 season. That will surely be a tall order - particularly if Kolpak restrictions are in place by then. Of course, we could sign an overseas batsman to replace Langer, but then who replaces Caddick?

Only utter fools would consider compounding these problems by also leaving us in a position where we need to replace our most experienced all-round force as well - be that after 2009 (when Ian's contract will have expired) or sooner if the club release him from his contract.

I will again repeat the fact that it would surely have been better to keep Ian and not keep Justin, given that Ian could stay for several seasons and Langer only part of one.

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 08/09/2008 12:27

I have great hope that Turner will replace Caddick, one more season as his understudy might be all he needs.



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Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 08/09/2008 18:37

From Banger's book launch today (I know, I could have put this on the MT thread, but it's just more mischievous to put it here)...I wonder who he's talking about? (Sm14)

"Falling out with people doesn't mean you're going to make a bad captain," he said. "You might ruffle a few [feathers] along the way, but if it gets people playing well, or gets them out of the team for others to come in, then that's perfect."

...then later when talking about a possible England return (which won't happen):

"Let's see how I'm playing at the time. We'll see how many sausages I've eaten over the winter,"

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2008 02:05

Deliberately picking a weakened team will leave one looking a very foolish captain, however, if the replacements to insufficiently well and if one's own form collapses at the same time...

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2008 22:21

The IB Supporters Club might want to quote a fascinating interview with South Africa`s fitness coach Grant Compton in the current isasue of The Wisden Cricketer.

Answering gibes about the weight of some of their players on this summer`s tour - Jacques Kallis in particular - he says some cricketers can still perform at the top level without being in peak physical condition or preparing for matches in the ideal way.

Compton was previously Pakistan`s fitnes coach, and he sets up Inzamam-ul-Haq as the perfect example. Inzamam actually lost form when he lost weight, he says.

So, Compton for the County Ground, then. Oh, I forget. Brian Rose is already said to be looking at his namesake currently on the Middlesex books.

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2008 09:07

As an aside, the Times reported , this morning, that IB had been left out of yesterday's match due to the seamer-friendly nature of the pitch!

I wonder what the excuse was for the rest of the games.

CJM, are you insinuating that he has been omitted due to his girth?

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2008 09:20

So was that the same reason that Arul and Wes were included then?

It would have been a bit difficult to decide to leave him out on the basis of the pitch conditions seeing as he wasn't even named in the squad of 13!



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Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2008 10:04

Quote:
Botham
As an aside, the Times reported , this morning, that IB had been left out of yesterday's match due to the seamer-friendly nature of the pitch!
I wonder what the excuse was for the rest of the games.

CJM, are you insinuating that he has been omitted due to his girth?

Quite so!

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Ajay (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2008 11:56

Just received my personal E-Mail from Justin regarding 2009 Membership. Thanks JL

In it you mention those players commited for the 2009 season

''There's something for everyone and it's all excellent value to watch the likes of Trescothick, Kieswetter, de Bruyn, Hildreth, Trego, Thomas, Willoughby and the ever-green Andy Caddick who have all committed to 2009''

One name missing?

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2008 12:13

Yes, Ajay. I've just got that too.
A worrying, but unsurprising development.

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2008 12:14

I've spotted the name that's missing it's ...........LANGER (Sm6)



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Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2008 12:25

Unless they haven't mentioned him because he has already effectively committed because he has a year to go on his contract and therfore had no negotiations as such.



(Sm72)

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2008 12:32

BUt I don't think Banger's contract was up?

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2008 12:43

It could, of course, be nothing more than a reaction to the fact that some of those angry at Blackie's exclusion criticised the club for using him so prominently in last year's marketing, and then not picking him. But it doesn't look good.

Players committed to 2009
Posted by: edinbughbil (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2008 18:06

From the post about membership for 2009 :-


There's something for everyone and it's all excellent value to watch the likes of Trescothick, Kieswetter, de Bruyn, Hildreth, Trego, Thomas, Willoughby and the ever-green Andy Caddick who have all committed to 2009.


So it really is beginning to look if IB is moving on then :-(
What about giving him the 1 day captaincy for 2009 ??
You know t makes sense ;-)

Re: Players committed to 2009
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2008 20:05

Yes worryingly conspicuous by his absence off that list.
Realy hopr that things can be sorted out but i fear the worst.
Here's hoping that Blacky can put in some match winning efforts in the last 2 games and that may help to keep him in the ranks next year.

Re: Players committed to 2009
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2008 22:11

Not sure it would make any difference WSM I'm afraid. I don't think it has ever been about perfromances.



(Sm72)

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: David Bryant (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2008 03:56

Regarding the 2009 Membership e-mail, would it be unreasonable to suggest that those who have received it and are puzzled, could contact the Club and ask why Ian is not on the "list of favourites"?

As he is under contract for the next 2 years, one wonders what the Club have in mind for him if he is not to play cricket?

It might also be reasonable to ask if the Club has a Workplace Anti-bullying Policy and if so, who monitors its implementation?

I also wonder whether there have been any other instances of a County Club allowing one of its players of a similar mvp standing to be subjected to such treatment, and if so, was the player left in such isolation by his colleagues and the press.

It looks as if the beatings are going to continue until morale improves.


PS for mvp ratings go to www.thepca.co.uk

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2008 08:08

These are some pretty serious accusations, David and very sad, if true.



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Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2008 08:24

In the light of David Bryant's statement and bearing in mind that he clearly appears to be quite close to Ian, would it be a good idea for Grockle to seek an interview with a representative of the club management to seek clarification on these issues? Of course, this could be done in a couple of weeks time.

Thanks to David for the mvp ratings. I shall use them for my fantasy team, next season, but top of my list will be Blackie.

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2008 08:37

Statement and accusations?
Have I missed something?
The way the club do their business may upset some but ultimately it is their business.
Their PR is awful but that is not new.
Band wagon jumping on going on it looks like to me as a personal favourite may be about to jump ship.It's sport,and sport's a business ya know.

Now where was that unity we talked about as we enter the last week or two of the season?

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2008 09:02

With this email being sent out, presumably, to thousands of members and ex-members around the area, I would have thought that this would alert some local sports newshound from, say, the WDP or regional TV or radio who could quite legitimately ask the Club why Ian, a senior player and recent England international, wasn't among those listed?

They may not reply to Grockle or one of us, but the local news media would presumably demand a response - unless there's an agreed conspiracy of silence?

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2008 09:07

Just mindless, moronic stupidity. It is all but certain that we will not have the resources to adequately replace Ian with the bat and with the ball. Even if we have the resources to sign somebody good enough to replace Ian as a batsman, from another county, will we also have the resources to sign a decent spin bowler too? I think it’s far-fetched to suggest that we will.

And if we spend beyond our means to replace Ian, then how, pray, will be able to replace Langer and Caddick for 2010??? As things stand we could, presumably, offer whatever salaries those two are paid to their prospective replacements. But not if we’ve had to pay out more in salaries than Ian earns in order to replace him (probably with TWO players)? Or are we, risibly, going to attempt to replace Ian from within when it’s patently obvious that we have nobody who can do the same sort of job as Ian in first-class cricket? There is zero evidence that Wes or Arul can do the kind of job with the ball that Ian does in the CC. And anyone that thinks that Banks could do the kind of job with the bat that Ian does in the CC needs to get in touch with me as I have details of somebody in Nigeria who urgently needs you to send them money.

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2008 09:22

A few weeks ago we discussed this very point and Grizzz wrote a letter to the club asking for an explanation.
As he said a the time,I don't think we'll hold our breath waiting for a response.
The sad fact is that the club,as mentioned before are absolutely shocking when it comes to PR matters or even dealing with any matters that means they have to take their blinkers off for.
Such as the providing facilities for disabled members.
Please remember that this is the same club that refused two disabled premium members parking in the reserved disabled bays because the corporate guests were using them.
When told that the two members had to miss the days play because of this they simply stopped discussing it.
I love the SCCC cricket team and want more than anything to win the CC.
As for the people who run the business?
All I can say is it's a huge shame for me that I never had the fortune of being on duty in hospital when they were brought in demanding treatment.
A bit of your own medicine never did go down very well.
Don't expect anything from them.
The crumbs you do get are then a bonus.

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2008 09:23

Quote:
Big Jim
Statement and accusations?
Have I missed something? Possibly the sand.
The way the club do their business may upset some but ultimately it is their business. and ours, as we pay our memberships
Their PR is awful but that is not new.
Band wagon jumping on going on it looks like to me as a personal favourite may be about to jump ship.It's sport,and sport's a business ya know.

Now where was that unity we talked about as we enter the last week or two of the season?

Unity is a fine thing, but that also extends to those within the club.

We have all been asked to renew our memberships and some have already done so, so it is only fair that we know what we're paying for.

Blackie's situation clearly bothers many people and in the light of serious accusations, it needs to be discussed.

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: evelyn34 (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2008 09:23

I have just e-mailed the club asking for clarification on this matter .I await their reply with interest.

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2008 09:30

Wurzham,I didn't see you or many others standing up for me and my wife when I was struggling to get a disabled parking space a few seasons back.
Premium members you know.
Perhaps if people weren't so one eyed and sought unity at all times,not only when it suited them then we might not have this problem.
By members being so doff your cappish the management know they can do whatever they want with members and nothing will change.
Head out of the sand?
I suggest you get yours out of your backside and smell the fresh air.
You may enjoy it.

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2008 09:35

Thanks for volunteering me for this auspicious task Mr B but better people than I have tried to get some info on the Blackwell position and have got no joy. I'm in no position to get any further than any other interested supporter unfortunately. Writing to the club is probably the best option. If enough do it they mey feel the need to explain the position.

For those logging on to the official body at the moment, you'll see the big Lancashire promotional advert with Mr Blackwell as one of the four stars rolling his arm over. Hmmmm - still seen as someone useful for bringing in the punters then.



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Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2008 09:38

Yes, SP, that's possible, although I certainly would not hold my breath on the local radio front as they seem to have little or no interest in the club, but one of the papers may be a good bet..

In fact, I think that's exactly what we should do.

I will await the opinions of others and then, if a majority agree, then I will contact one or more of the local papers, drawing attention to this very fact (rather than waiting for them to notice.) If someone has an official copy of the e-mail text, that would be useful for those purposes.

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2008 09:59

Quote:
Big Jim
Head out of the sand?
I suggest you get yours out of your backside and smell the fresh air.
You may enjoy it.

(Sm142)

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2008 10:36

I have held back on posting this but read into it what you will.

In the resent match Somerset v Durham remembering that both clubs were trying to get the upper hand on each other.

When Venuto got his hundred the Durham’s balcony was full with players clapping and cheering, when Langer got his there were four players on Somerset’s balcony and a few on the next balcony.

I have a photo of the player’s balcony but because it did not include the next balcony I am not going to post it on here, it would not be fair on the players.

Those of us that are lucky enough to be able to watch the cricket at the ground can pick up on things by watching and listening to comments make by players fielding near the boundary, even opposition players have notice things and commented.

You can only judge by what we see and hear and not what we are told.

And yes Ian Blackwell was one of he players clapping Langer's 100 (I thought I would put that in)



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Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2008 10:42

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: David Bryant (IP Logged)
Date: 16 September, 2008 03:56


Regarding the 2009 Membership e-mail, would it be unreasonable to suggest that those who have received it and are puzzled, could contact the Club and ask why Ian is not on the "list of favourites"? QUESTION Answer - No. It would not be unreasonable.

As he is under contract for the next 2 years, one wonders what the Club have in mind for him if he is not to play cricket? RHETORICAL QUESTION

It might also be reasonable to ask if the Club has a Workplace Anti-bullying Policy and if so, who monitors its implementation? ANOTHER RHETORICAL QUESTION


I also wonder whether there have been any other instances of a County Club allowing one of its players of a similar mvp standing to be subjected to such treatment, and if so, was the player left in such isolation by his colleagues and the press. ANOTHER RHETORICAL QUESTION


It looks as if the beatings are going to continue until morale improves. SPECULATION



PS for mvp ratings go to www.thepca.co.uk the only STATEMENT in the whole posting

An interesting post, no doubt, wurzel; but if you could let us know what5 makes you believe the poster is "clearly close to Ian", and then clarify what you consider to be either statements or accusations, it would help me a lot!

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2008 10:44

To be fair, some of our guys may have been getting ready to go home by the time Langer got near his ton, as the game was obviously going to be ended in the immediate future. But still, if even opposition players are noticing the discontent and commenting on it...?

If Langer's really such a divisive figure to be really want to hitch our wagon to him for the sake of one year (less IPL period) of his leadership?

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2008 10:46

Quote:
Botham
We have all been asked to renew our memberships and some have already done so, so it is only fair that we know what we're paying for.

To watch Somerset!

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2008 10:55

You could be right AGod that might of been the reason.



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Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2008 11:08

At least one further member of the XI was in the middle!
The next man in may be superststious, or wish to "tune out" before his turn.
I don't think too much should be read into who was or wasn't on the balcony.

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2008 11:15

What horrible, in your face, text FE, so I'm not going to use the quote facility!

DB has only posted on three occasions and from what he has said, it seems pretty certain that he knows Ian fairly well.

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2008 11:40

With the greatest of respect, both to you and to David, I have reproduced below all three messages.
Re: ian blackwell
Posted by: David Bryant (IP Logged)
Date: 25 July, 2008 12:08


A good captain is amenable, approachable, has a sense of humour, always appears relaxed, encourages and helps his players. No member of a team should ever have to think twice about discussing tactics with his captain. If his suggestion is not accepted he must realise that it was only discarded after careful consideration.

Harmony is the key to success. . ..


Re: ian blackwell
Posted by: David Bryant (IP Logged)
Date: 02 August, 2008 19:57


I have been following this thread for some days now and feel so sad that such loyal and intelligent supporters are so much in the dark.

I spoke to Ian a little while ago and he is in the car on the way back to Taunton - as he put it "not on the team bus". He will therefore not be playing on Monday at Lords.

Although I cannot say who I am, please believe me when I tell you that

he is not injured
he is not in need of a rest
he is not being disciplined
he has been dropped from the one day side.

If he looks a little lack-lustre at the moment, please be generous with him. He has no voice and has to maintain his professionalism when writing about cricket or being interviewed. It is not easy to see how he can re-claim his place in the one day side, (whether or not he does well in the 4-day game) if he is not given the chance to do so.

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: David Bryant (IP Logged)
Date: 16 September, 2008 03:56


Regarding the 2009 Membership e-mail, would it be unreasonable to suggest that those who have received it and are puzzled, could contact the Club and ask why Ian is not on the "list of favourites"?

As he is under contract for the next 2 years, one wonders what the Club have in mind for him if he is not to play cricket?

It might also be reasonable to ask if the Club has a Workplace Anti-bullying Policy and if so, who monitors its implementation?

I also wonder whether there have been any other instances of a County Club allowing one of its players of a similar mvp standing to be subjected to such treatment, and if so, was the player left in such isolation by his colleagues and the press.

It looks as if the beatings are going to continue until morale improves.


PS for mvp ratings go to www.thepca.co.uk



I fail to see personally, that there is anything tangible which demonstrates intimate knowledge other than David's claim to the same. Before you (or David) get all defensive, I'm not saying it isn't true, or calling David a liar or anything like that. I'm just pointing out that you choose to find his claim believable because it tallies with your preconception.
If I were to post a message as "Bill Smith" and say "I can't tell you who I am, but honestly, believe me, Ian has been undermining Justin all season", would you believe me? No you would not; because that, even if it were the truth, is not what you want to hear.



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Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2008 11:55

I was only saying to Kevin Keegan the other day ...



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Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2008 11:57

Sorry Becks,I missed it first time can you repeat it please?
Posh and the kids ok?

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2008 12:00

... and my mate Jack Straw has just told me that Gordon hasn't been in to work this morning.



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Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2008 12:02

Too busy with my good friend Thatch writing his book on how to destroy an economy I think Dave.

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Streeter (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2008 12:14

Well FE I watch your posts with wincing (spellcheck??) interest, you are usually a tad too confrontational for my liking . However I do listen and on this occasion I think you are absolutely right (which is not to say you're wrong on other occasions!). I haven't seen the poll results but Certainly the vast majority of those who post here want Ian at the heart of future plans for SCCC.
It seems to me we know only two things- IB hasn't been dropped for cricketing performance reasons and something murky is going on in the dressing/commitee rooms. The one implying the other.
I had hoped that someone would have an inside view (BO?) and share it with us but beyond DB no one seems to have offered that. Sadly until SCCC decide to be more open with the supporters we can only speculate (which we do very well). And to be fair it's their call. Perhaps something awful has happened and it just doesn't belong in the public domain. Hopefully it won't come to it but we may, one day have to move on with a rousing chorus of "The king is dead....)

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: evelyn34 (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2008 12:18

To the grownups this is a serious issue that causes us great concern.
We are after all talking about IB`s future ,not really a funny thread at all.

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2008 12:26

With respect, evelyn, I don't think anyone is making fun of Ian's situation: rather simply using humour to demonstrate the fact that anonymous chat-rooms can be mis-informative as easily as they can be informative, and that everyone's motivation need not necessarily be as transparently munificent as they would have you believe.
Believe it or not there are people out there who simply like poking wasp's nests!

Streeter? Confrontational? Me? Are you sure you've got the right man? winking smiley

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2008 13:08

I shan't get defensive, though maybe David will.

They are his only posts and not close together, so he clearly keeps an eye on things, as no doubt does Chesterfield Mum.

I believe it, but that's my choice. We shall see, unless of course we don't (as Tractor might say)!

However, if the three wise monkeys want to play games, enjoy!

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2008 13:10

You are spot on, FE, about why some idiots introduce humour into a serious thread.

I am as concerned as everybody else about the fate and future of Somerset's adopted son, IDB, and desperately hope he will still be with us next season. As others have said, with two extraordinarily important CC matches imminent, it's better to cease the speculation for a while and support the side wholeheartedly in securing the title for the first time ever - and it's been a very long wait for some of us.

As for the county's publicity machine, I prefer to think it's more careless than strategic. Until very recently pictures of the Ridley Stand were to be seen on the website.



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Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2008 13:30

I've told you three million times to stop your confrontational humour FE,nearly as many times as I've told myself to stop exaggerating.
For heaven's sake calm down everyone,we're all concerned about what is happening with Ian.We all express ourselves differently too,there may,just may be more than one way to skin a cat you know.
It never ceases to amaze me that people are still amazed that the club are not concerned with their personal feelings and opinions.
It's a business.......
And once again I agree wholeheartedly with the less than honourable gentleman from Lhasa.
He learnt everything he knows from me you know.

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2008 13:55

One think I will say Jim we know the club do read this site, and will know we are 100% behind the team to win the County Championship.

If we didn’t express are feelings on other matters that concerns us they would think we didn’t care and every thing is OK.



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Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2008 19:46

The two words 'Ian Blackwell' alter the nature of any conversation at the ground that involves any official of the club or member of the press.

The press seem to be avoiding the issue either because they know there is no point in bringing it up or maybe they are waiting for the end of the season before it becomes a big item of news.

Maybe it is less of an issue than we all think on a national basis and there is only local interest.

Maybe there is nothing to report on.

However, it IS there. The proverbial 'elephant' is still in the room however everyone seems to be comfortable for it to remain an invisible presence.

Ian is still a big part of the next two games and we need him to be there as that big part. I can wait a week and a half but I'm afraid I expect to see Ian in different colours after that.

With luck I'm very very wrong and I've mis-read the environment completely.



(Sm72)

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 16/09/2008 22:59

Unfortunately i have to agree.
Would be very surprised if IDB was at the club next year.
A very sad shame as i cant see how that will be to the benefit of the club.
Maybe im wrong, and the silence from those that matter are to blame for this constant specualtion.
Lets hope all can be focused on the next 2 weeks and im guessing the weeks after that maybe the whole issue will be allowed to become clearer to us all

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Congar (IP Logged)
Date: 17/09/2008 03:47

Leaving aside all speculation and rhetorical questions, the fact is that one of our best players has been left out of the team for a one day competition despite displaying good form in the CC and having proven exceptional ability with bat and ball in limited over cricket.

There has been no sensible explanation for this. So let's debate it at the end of the season when he has already moved on, or like Nero, make jokes while our team for 2009 and beyond disintegrates.

I want to win the CC as much as anyone (also 60yrs a supporter if we count from birth) but why are we going into the last two weeks of possibly the greatest season in our history with such a cloud hanging over the Club? We already have quite enough of those providing rain.

It is a disgrace that there has been no communication from the Club, and members should justifiably feel shortchanged that they have not been able to watch the strongest Somerset team in action for every match.

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 17/09/2008 07:30

All I have been trying to say is that there is a huge amount of assumption that all of the "fault" in whatever situation pertains, lies with the club. Almost no human interaction happens like that - total iniquity on one side, total innocence on the other. Because there are parts of the picture to which we are (quite rightly) not privy, some of us choose to join up the dots in the way that reflects most favourably on our heroes. Some of us seem reluctant to accept that many of our heroes turn out to have feet of clay.
I have no problem wahtsoever with people saying "I want to know the truth": I do have a problem with people making up their own truths to fill the void.

Another point we have to accept, though, is that championing one player inevitably implies that those doing the campaigning (in this case for Blackie) wish that someone else in the team were not on the field. Now that the Pro40 is over, I would offer the observation that a number of Omari's performances have looked like he has been trying too hard - almost desperate to impress? That would hardly be surprising had he read here how few of us thought he should be out there.



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Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 17/09/2008 08:39

All the club need do to stop the speculation, is to make a statement. They choose not to, so the specualtion is bound to continue.

As no-one seems to know what the truth is, how do we know that anyone that claims anything isn't telling the truth?

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 17/09/2008 08:53

I'm as puzzled as any of us and wish the club would say something.

However, can I propose that we now let this drop for the next four days as there are more immediately important things at hand, and put our energies behind the team as a whole?

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 17/09/2008 09:04

Quote:
SheptonPaul
I'm as puzzled as any of us and wish the club would say something.
However, can I propose that we now let this drop for the next four days as there are more immediately important things at hand, and put our energies behind the team as a whole?

As it's you and you ask so nicely!

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 17/09/2008 09:05

Shep,some of us have been calling for this for over a week.
Dogs with bones and dead horses being flogged spring to mind though.

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 17/09/2008 09:28

Quote:
Botham
All the club need do to stop the speculation, is to make a statement. They choose not to, so the specualtion is bound to continue.
As no-one seems to know what the truth is, how do we know that anyone that claims anything isn't telling the truth?

To suggest that any statement from the club at this juncture would stop the speculation is, with respect, pretty naiive. It might stop you speculating; it wouldn't stop others.
Did the Warren Commission end the conspiracy theories about Kennedy? When did any official statement ever end speculation?
Anyway. We start at 11, some I'm done with this for now.

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 17/09/2008 10:58

Quote:
Frome Exile
Quote:
Botham
All the club need do to stop the speculation, is to make a statement. They choose not to, so the specualtion is bound to continue.
As no-one seems to know what the truth is, how do we know that anyone that claims anything isn't telling the truth?

To suggest that any statement from the club at this juncture would stop the speculation is, with respect, pretty naiive. It might stop you speculating; it wouldn't stop others.
Did the Warren Commission end the conspiracy theories about Kennedy? When did any official statement ever end speculation?
Anyway. We start at 11, some I'm done with this for now.

That's two of you. Now where's the third?

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 17/09/2008 11:13

"All I have been trying to say is that there is a huge amount of assumption that all of the "fault" in whatever situation pertains, lies with the club."

The bottom line here though, FE, is surely that there is very little logic in not picking Ian for the short stuff, whilst continuting to pick him for the CC stuff?

If Ian has done something which is so bad that all purely cricketing considerations should be thrown out of the window (as they very clearly have been as no one believes the rot the club has come out with on this score) for the short stuff, then Ian should not, logically, still be in the CC side, either?

That difference in logic is why I suspect that the decision has been taken to urinate Ian off by omitting him from the short stuff in the hope of forcing from the club, because certain people are not comfortable with his presence.

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 17/09/2008 11:24

Quote:
AGod
The bottom line here though, FE, is surely that there is very little logic in not picking Ian for the short stuff, whilst continuting to pick him for the CC stuff?

I agree.....and that's my whole point. I find it very difficult to accept that people who have otherwise proven themselves to be sensible, intelligent and competent would make such a glaringly illogical decision without good reason. I don't need to know that reason to believe that it must exist. Naiive? Perhaps, but there it is.

I think your last paragraph is based on nothing substantial other than your suspicion (you use that term yourself), and that it represents the kind of speculation which can only be unhelpful.

And
Quote:
Botham
That's two of you. Now where's the third?

Now who's responding to the poster rather than the post?

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 17/09/2008 11:28

So, that's a 'no', then?

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 17/09/2008 11:33

Sorry, SP. I have only been trying to argue all along as to why we should leave it alone. But I'll shut up now.

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 17/09/2008 11:38

;-)

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: everhopefull (IP Logged)
Date: 19/09/2008 09:33

Any rumours of him returning to Derby as Captain have been squashed with the following report.

[news.bbc.co.uk]

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 19/09/2008 09:46

I've never feared Derbys, they are paupers.

My fears have always been the three big-time Charlies, of Surrey, Lancs and Warks each of whom have money to burn, turning home pitches and very unimpressive first-teams taking the field for them at the present time.

Re: Ian Blackwell and Pro40
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 19/09/2008 10:04

Don't be harsh on Derby,they sound a decent bunch who love their cricket as much as we do.
The financial divide in sport is not fair or right.
Who mentioned the NFL draft system to move players around?
Sounds good to me.

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 19/09/2008 20:26

Maybe this is where the Fourth Day stuff for the Yorkshire game should go?

Entirely up to you lot of course...

Ohhh and for Botham and the other confused people,all the many Blackwell threads are under this one now....please don't breed some more just because there aren't three of them floating about talking about the same things at the same time,,,,,it'll all go back to one I'm sure after next Saturday



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Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 19/09/2008 21:29

Sounds good to me.
I wonder what Saturday has in store for us.
Will we settle for the draw or will there be a little agreement made over a beer or two tonight?
Contrived results are never good but given what is at stake could it be worthwhile for both sides?
Very,very interesting.

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2008 06:04

It doesn't seem to matter what we think, if you're going to be the autocrat! That's two of my threads gone, both supporting my / our hero.

I thought they were polite, no bad language, etc, etc, but you still thought fit tol move them to obscurity.(Sm148)

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2008 08:51

Is it an early start today?

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Palairet (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2008 08:56

"Marcus will bat at Number 7" today.

I do not understand why we have not played Michael Munday on a more regular basis this season, but then what do I know about anything?

[www.thisisbristol.co.uk]

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2008 09:58

Forget any notions of winning this one now lads.
We have to get out of Yorks without being beaten, and leave our deficit to Notts in single figures.

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2008 10:22

A very tricky day lies ahead,this has been a dreadful start.

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2008 10:25

I find it interesting that Langer only seems to score runs when he attacks. If he sticks with 1 off 12 balls he usually makes few. Batten down the hatches while scoring quickly. We dare not lose

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: fRed (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2008 10:26

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Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2008 11:20

Oh don't be such a drama queen Botham.

Ref your two threads.

One is in here safe and sound and the other was a thread moaning about the fact that the other one had gone. Sorry this one doesn't bear your name but everyting of value is here in one nice neat package.



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Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2008 11:32

Speaking as a strict neutral in the recurrent spats between Grockle and Botham, I have to say that the more we consolidate threads that cover essentially the same topic the better and that Botham's reaction is absurd.

There is an element of vanity or attention-seeking in setting up new threads - I know that because I am often guilty of it myself; I usually survive having my own vanity @#$%&.

I shall now be really upset if Grockle fails to set up a separate thread, even a separate forum to enshrine this posting of mine.



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Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2008 11:40

I feel the ship has been settled,for the time being at least.
We needed these two to calm the waters,well done boys.
I saw the new thread last night and as I commented at the time didn't see the point.
Let's be sensible fella's,we all enjoy a laugh and each others company but that was simply making more work for Grockle.
Let's use a bit of common dog sometimes.

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2008 12:00

The main problem is that I need to manage a front page that keeps everything presently under dicussion in view. I've asked this year for comments to be put under match threads where possible and thanks to everyone for keeping to that but this match generated four threads for Scarborough on day 1 and we ended up with another three for Mr Blackwell. So I pruned, as I have been doing at the bottom of the front page of the forum all year.

I'm certainly not going to leave a thread that asks where a previous thread has gone and how confused a poster is I'm afraid whether is has a title of 'Blackwell is King' or not...many many apologies.



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Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2008 12:37

Zander goes to Rashid.
Let's keep calm,nice and steady now.

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2008 12:40

Banger in at 7? I'm steady-ish



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Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2008 12:54

Ish here too Grockle.

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2008 12:55

James goes to Rashid.
Still ish?

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2008 13:01

WE need to bat for another 20 over by which time we will have about 225.- a lead of about 190. This would leave Yorks about 30 overs to get 190. Anything under 225 or quicker than 70 overs in total could cause a little nail biting. With Blackie Trig and Marcus we shouldn't be worrying

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2008 13:58

Could we? Is it possible?
Probably not, but where would this game have got to had we had a full alolocation of overs on Day 1?

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2008 13:58

Lovely cameo from Trigger,I hope Mr Rose gives him some praise for that one.
Getting close to being a draw now.
Just hold on for another half hour.

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: lady christabel (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2008 14:02

There will be no declaring,or similat foolishness,but a shaking of hands and a going home at 4.20p.m. prescisely

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Streeter (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2008 14:05

Can anyone tell me why Yorks batted on after 400 yesterday? It looks to me like they will need to beat Sussex next week and 4 points for a draw in this game is neither here nor there. They could even have declared on 350 and the position would be virtually the same.By the same token they have to go after any total we care to set them now. Scarey or what?
Surely they can't go to Sussex attempting to get 5 more bonus points than them. That looks even more difficult than winning.

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2008 14:27

There is a odd rule about declaring to stop the other team getting their bonus points.

I don't know if it applied in this match because I don't understand it anyway.



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Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2008 15:15

Somerset need to win their last match with max. points (give or take a point). and Notts not to win their match.

I hope Marcus Trescothick is saving his batting for the last match, his last four scores have been 18, 6, 0, and 1.

I hope the pressure is not getting to him.

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Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2008 15:23

Somerset have declared, draw match.



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Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2008 16:09

I think Yorkshire made an error in not declaring a tad earlier but in fairness I don't think it would have made much difference.
We showed good character today against an excellent side battling for their lives.
We're still in with a very good shout of winning the CC going into the last week of the season.
I bet you there are many other teams who wish they were in our position.
Well played lads.
One last huge eefort and this could be ours.
Excellent.

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2008 17:48

Here here, if we can beat Lancswe have every chance.
Rumour has it that JL has demanded a result wicket for next week, sensible i' say as a 400 a side draw is no goos to us.
Lets hope we get good weather, a full maych and a bumper crowd to cheer the lads on, some rain in the trent bridge area wouldnt go a miss either!

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2008 19:46

Hants will move above Notts if they win, so they have a huge incentive.



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Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 21/09/2008 10:18

Have a look at the averages for the county championship with one match to go. Link:- [stats.cricinfo.com]

We have two players over 1000 runs (Trescothick/Langer) and two players who could make the 1000 runs (de Bruyn 916 & Blackwell 935) .

Trego has done well with 731 & Hildreth on 778.

Looks to me like our batsmen have done us proud.

----------------------------------------------------

Our bowlers are having a harder season but still good.

Willoughby 46, Thomas 30, Trego 26, Jones 24 from only seven matches, Blackwell 20 with Econ. Rate of 2.4.

Disappointingly Caddick with only 15 from seven matches, I know there are reasons.

I feel that Turner should have been given more chances even in the last match; he could have been in instead of Caddick.



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Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 21/09/2008 10:49

I agree Mike, MT should definitely be considered for the Lancs game, we HAVE to get 20 wickets somehow, that has to be the main priority. He's still a little erratic at times but he does bowl wiicket taking balls.
I'd be tempted to go with an extra bowler than last game and trust the top 7 to get the necessary runs.
Maybe Arul could be stepped down for MT, hence JL back up to open, ZB at 3, JH 4, PT 5, IB 6, CK 7, AT 8, AC 9, MT 10, CW 11.
Longish tail i know but we have to think of wickets first, 600 runs is no use if we cant bowl them out twice.
Hopefully the fact that realistically both teams have to win should produce positive cricket from both sides.

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 21/09/2008 11:47

Interesting stats,cheers Mike.
One thing which has actaually moved me this season and I hope he's rewarded for it is the incredible work rate of Charl Willoughby.
That man has slogged his guts out yet again in every format of the game whlist others may have cried enough.
For sheer effort and heart alone I think he deserves a special mention,he really is a superb competitor.
A true warrior.

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Sloop John B (IP Logged)
Date: 21/09/2008 13:56

Totally agree, BJ, Charl has been ever present, uncomplaining and still manages to be a genuinely nice guy.

He, as much as anyone, deserves the Championship pennant next week!

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 21/09/2008 14:09

Sky have announced that they are covering the Notts match live on TV.

I would expect some sort of coverage at the Somerset match to record our victory.



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Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 21/09/2008 14:16

Lets hope that fact it isnt on sky will encourage even more people to come to watch it in person and get behind the lads.
I have visions of the county ground being pretty much full come friday and saturday should the first 2 days at Taunton and Trent Brdige go our way, come on guys, one big push now...

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Alan Tucker (IP Logged)
Date: 22/09/2008 08:12

Hildreth's 778 is not good enough. They have come at 32.41. Remember half his innings have been played on the Taunton pitch. He has gone back this year!

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 22/09/2008 08:27

I agree he has not done as well as perhaps we or he wished but do we need to look at it in terms of moving forward or going backwards?
There can be any number of reasons for a player not fulfilling his potential during a season,bad decisions being one of them.
James is a superb talent and will be acutely aware that he needs to score big runs more consistently.
As we enter the final and most important week of the season let's not be saying that certain players performances are simply not good enough.
If he scores a big un this week and goes on to help win the match I'm sure we'll all consider his season a success.
I hear what you're saying and yes the stats do tell a story.
As we've all said before though,seldom do they tell the complete story.

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 22/09/2008 08:30

Without 104 of those Hildreth runs, though, it is quite possible we would have lost at Scarborough last week. The Lancashire match at Taunton on Wednesday would have been academic.

He came to the wicket at 91-3 in the first dig, and 39-3 in the second with Darren Gough in his pomp.

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Palairet (IP Logged)
Date: 22/09/2008 08:38

Quite so, Alan Tucker.

Hildreth has gone back, and one could say that there are too many others who have not developed this season in the way that one would have anticipated and expected. To mark time and then fall back is not what we want.

Messrs. Durston, Suppiah, Francis, Munday, Edwards and Turner have all failed to kick-start their careers this season.

Perhaps Hildreth will have one final opportunity to advance this week.

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 22/09/2008 08:58

How many of those on that list have been given significant first-team opportunities this season to kick-start their careers? I make it 16 Championship appearances between all 6 of them, and 6 of those were to Edwards before his dometic misfortunes.
Doesn't quite seem a fair assessment to me.

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 22/09/2008 09:05

Mark Turner's single Championship outing yielded 3 for 53 from 17 overs, which (admittedly on a bare minimum of data) is the best strike rate, best average and third best economy amongst our wicket-takers this year!

Perhaps it's a shame he wasn't offered more opportunities to continue, having (kick-)started like that!



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Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 22/09/2008 09:08

I think it only fair to put Hildreth's "decline" this season into context by comparing overall scores between last year (in Division Two) and this year.

Last year our average score per wicket at Taunton was 56.44 and 42.02 at away grounds.

This year (with one match at Taunton to come) the figures are 39.11 and 35.45 respectively.

This season we have been playing at a higher level and on less friendly wickets. I don't think Hildreth is to blame for either of those factors.



LoL

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Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 22/09/2008 09:44

Let's find something positive to discuss in one of the most important weeks in the club's history.

A great weather forecast for the coming week.

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 22/09/2008 11:53

As far as Mr Hildreth is concerned, the book on him seems to be that one relatively good season is followed by one relatively lean one which is followed by one relatively good one.

This might suggest that he works very hard after a difficult season but, perhaps, becomes a little complacent after a good one?

Or it could just be co-incidence.

Next season, he's due for a relativley good one..

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 22/09/2008 16:14

What a surprise your post is Pally,I thought you'd be much more positive than that about one of our young stars.
On second thoughts though........

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Palairet (IP Logged)
Date: 22/09/2008 17:07

Thinking can be a dangerous occupation sometimes, Big Jim.

Anyway, as is your wont, I expect that you will have a final say.

I certainly shall not be adding another word to this petty little side issue, so feel free to get whatever it is that may be troubling you out of your system, and I hope that you will feel better for having done so!

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 22/09/2008 18:27

I hope Neil is still with the club next year.

The other element to your question is tasteless, is of no interest to me whatsoever, and has no place here.

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 22/09/2008 19:07

Totally agree FE,I think some posters have taken too many nasty tablets today.
I too hope Neil is here next season and for many years more.
An excellent player who has bags of talent,he has the quality to be leading the line for many years.
Sadly though he won't have impressed everyone.
A shame.

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 22/09/2008 20:09

Here here, lets stick to cricket matters. Particularly given the importance of this week.
Popped into the ground this evening and place looks in great shape, there are some stansions up as if to be used for run outs, are we sure its Notts game thats being televised?

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 22/09/2008 20:13

I'm not sure WSM,they'll probably have cameras at all the grounds where the teams have a chance of winning the big one.
Perhaps Grockle should have the honour of setting up the definitive thread for the final match.
That way all of us over excited children can help each other get in the mood for what promises to be a cracker.

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 22/09/2008 20:22

How on earth that could possibly help i have absolutely no idea

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 22/09/2008 21:16

Thanks Mike.

The court seemed to think there was no base in the accusation and there seems to be no comment made about Neil's Conduct so I'll remove the story and the possible libel.
I can't afford to keep it on site (nor do I particularly want to) as I become liable should Mr Edwards want to look for someone to blame for the suggestions about his character.



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Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 22/09/2008 21:22

There is no argument from me.

That's why I asked you to delete my link.

There is no place on here for that subject.



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Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 22/09/2008 21:39

Yep. Done.



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Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Palairet (IP Logged)
Date: 22/09/2008 21:45

I recall reading diatribe after diatribe on the subject of libel on this site.

That particular episode concerned Andre van Troost who was ranting and raving after someone dared to suggest that the decision to award him his county cap was foolhardy. I would add here that I never stated that I considered that decision to be such, in case the Dutchman gets a second wind.

There were arguments and counter legal arguments from some very learned contributors and it all made for very interesting reading if one was able to follow it.

In the end Andre said that he was moving on from the topic - a sound decision I thought at the time.

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 23/09/2008 07:57

It's a bit of a minefield for the editors of a site Mr P I'm afraid. Should an allegation be made that is dubious in legal terms then the editors of the site are the ones legally required to act and the ones who are liable should someone want to take action against a site post.

So...the best action is safe instead of sorry. Then again, daft posts of little merit that are simply petty and nasty aren't hard to decide to move.



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Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 23/09/2008 08:05

I almost posted a couple of days ago a link to a very interesting story on the subject.
(But I didn't, because I wouldn't want to be accused of fanning the embers with another diatribe! winking smiley)

Sheffield Wednesday Football Club were recently in the process of suing several posters to one of the message-boards associated with the club.

Comments such as

Quote:
"What an embarrassing, pathetic, laughing stock of a football club we've become."

"Another day, another blunder. I doubt even Leeds were in such a mess this time last summer, and look what happened to them."

"I am waiting with bated breath to hear who the Chuckle Brothers have signed after their trip to watch players abroad."

were deemed by at least one judge as being worthy of legal examination.

I believe that in that case the site host was not sued, but was served with an injunction requiring him to pass on the contact details of the relevant posters, and the posters had the threat of action hanging over them for two and a half years until SWFC chose to drop the case.



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Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 23/09/2008 08:30

Frankly, I'm amazed that the Owls board do not have better things to do than chase people about comments made on a messageboard.

I'd be really rather surprised if SWFC had managed to win any such libel case on the basis of those comments and suspect that that is why they 'chose to drop,' the case.

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 23/09/2008 08:57

I suspect that they would have almost certainly won the case - in so far as the comments would have been deemed to satisfy the criteria for libel - but that the perceived damage they caused, and as a result any damages awarded, would have been minuscule.

The author of the article has some interesting views on why the case was dropped, but his whole position is somewhat undermined (for me at least) by some technical inaccuracies regarding burden of proff etc, and by the fact that he uses theses cases to argue for wholesale reform of the defamation laws on the grounds that they "stifle legitimate dissent" and prevent the common man from standing up for what is right.
What part railing about transfer dealings has in "standing up for what is right" is beyond me, quite frankly.

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Palairet (IP Logged)
Date: 23/09/2008 09:23

Quote:
Grockle

So...the best action is safe instead of sorry. Then again, daft posts of little merit and are simply petty and nasty aren't hard to decide to move.

Quite so, Grockle, quite so!

You did well in removing the thread on Andy Murray recently, in view of the "petty and nasty", not to mention obnoxious comments that prevailed. Are there any other "petty and nasty" postings on other threads still open?

Your diatribes are always most welcome, Frome Exile, and in fact I anticipate that there may well be some more from other contributors to this once-esteemed message board, should Somerset fail to win the County Championship this week!

The comments regarding Sheffield Wednesday Football Club referred to above would appear to me to be very mild.

I most certainly shall not be quaking in my boots at the possibility of legal action after some of my invective denunciations of Somerset C.C.C. in the past.

Hey, ho, off we go again!

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 23/09/2008 09:28

Quote:
Palairet
The comments regarding Sheffield Wednesday Football Club referred to above would appear to me to be very mild.
I most certainly shall not be quaking in my boots at the possibility of legal action after some of my invective denunciations of Somerset C.C.C. in the past.

Quite so, Palairet. And with that in mind you/we should perhaps at least concede that our Club's management appear to be more supporter friendly and tolerant of dissent than the Owls' board.

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Palairet (IP Logged)
Date: 23/09/2008 09:32

Quote:
Frome Exile
...............technical inaccuracies regarding burden of proff etc,

What proff is that then Frome Exile?

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Palairet (IP Logged)
Date: 23/09/2008 09:42

Quote:
Frome Exile

Quite so, Palairet. And with that in mind you/we should perhaps at least concede that our Club's management appear to be more supporter friendly and tolerant of dissent than the Owls' board.

Quite so, Frome Exile, quite so.

Sadly, I have never regarded Somerset C.C.C. as being over "supporter friendly" - more often than not I have tended to think of them as being supporter oblivious.

Just a personal judgement, you understand?

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 23/09/2008 09:48

Obviously I should have proff-read more carefully!

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Alan Tucker (IP Logged)
Date: 23/09/2008 09:51

Quote:
Loyal of Lhasa.
I think it only fair to put Hildreth's "decline" this season into context by comparing overall scores between last year (in Division Two) and this year.
Last year our average score per wicket at Taunton was 56.44 and 42.02 at away grounds.

This year (with one match at Taunton to come) the figures are 39.11 and 35.45 respectively.

This season we have been playing at a higher level and on less friendly wickets. I don't think Hildreth is to blame for either of those factors.

A@#$%&shot is still a@#$%&shot irrespective of the ground or the opposition!

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Alan Tucker (IP Logged)
Date: 23/09/2008 09:56

Quote:
cricketjerry-mouse
Without 104 of those Hildreth runs, though, it is quite possible we would have lost at Scarborough last week. The Lancashire match at Taunton on Wednesday would have been academic.
He came to the wicket at 91-3 in the first dig, and 39-3 in the second with Darren Gough in his pomp.

Yes but his first innings was very very lucky. To be dropped twice in three balls by third slip and having a let off from the worst attempted stumping I have ever seen does not say much for his batting.

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 23/09/2008 09:58

What a very charming response to an attempt to bring some objectivity to our debate!



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Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 23/09/2008 10:00

And we can only expect him to learn and move his game up a notch. Unfortunately he hasn't been helped in that development by his close batting partners who have been producing the said shots of their own and giving him little to build an innings with in some cases.

Therefore it was good to see him hold the lineup together in the Yorkshire game. I think he's started to come out of that slump towards the end of this summer. The trouble was that he did exactly the same last summer!



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Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 23/09/2008 10:57

I can't see for the life of me, FE, why the defence of "fair comment," would not have applied to the SWFC case, FE?

It requires only that the folk writing the comments were not motivated by any improper motive (malice) and that they reflect the honestly held views of the author (s).

The defence of fair comment is that which permits the whole business of criticism - be it of films, restaurants, sportsmen etc to exist. If the only defence to non-privileged comments was that of 'justification,' then critics would go out of business as they could not "prove," the 'truth,' of their opinions.

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 23/09/2008 11:49

Oops. Double post!



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Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 23/09/2008 11:57

You may well be right that a defence of fair comment would have been allowed in these cases.
Where comments imply that club officials deliberately act or have acted against the interests of the club, though, that would be unlikely.
I should perhaps point out that the comments included in the article, and which I pasted above, do not represent the total of SWFC's complaint by any means.

Your definition of the defence of "fair comment" is not quite right, though. The expressed opinion has to be one which the notional "reasonable man" would consider could reasonably be held by another, on the basis of the available evidence.
"A murder took place in London, AG lives in London, therefore it is my opinion that AG is a murderer" is not a reasonable opinion, even if I express it without malicious intent and honestly believe it.

In respect of arts etc. criticism, good criticism is almost never defamatory anyway, so a defence of fair comment would not be required.
"This meal was not good" - fine.
"This Chef is incompetent" - not so fine.
Criticism of a piece of work is "fair comment", provided it is an honestly held and reasonable opinion. Disparagement of a person or their entire body of work would always be harder to argue was fair.



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Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
Date: 23/09/2008 22:11

Being innocent and naive I~ have had great trouble with Alan Tuckers symbol strewn sentence.

A@#$%&shot is still a@#$%&shot irrespective of the ground or the opposition!

I think I have worked it out

A fine shot is still a fine shot irrespective of the ground or the opposition. !!!!
I do like these little competitions to liven the proceedings.
Perhaps we shall see many more fine shots from him tomorrow.

Re: Blackwell sets the Baseline - Scarborough Day 2
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 23/09/2008 22:45

Thank you Geordie I really didn't know if it was meant to mean anything.
I thought the poster had probably spilt his tea all over himself and hit the keyboard in a haphazard fashion because of a scalding inner leg.
The dangers of hot drinks at the keyboard are many.
All posters need to be aware of this.
I too hope we see some superb performances over the next four days.
All from Somerset players of course.

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