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Back in White
By Grockle
June 30 2009
The Championship returns to HQ as we welcome Yorkshire hoping to redsress their Headingley defeat at our hands. We also welcome Andrew Richard Caddick back after half a season watching from the injury couch. Will this be a swansong to remember ? Those of us who appreciate the contribution of this remarkable sportsman really hope so.

v Yorkshire CC1 @ Taunton Tuesday 30 June 2009

Scorecard

Commentary

Overcast and humid at Bicknoller Towers this morning - swing bowling heaven.....So Alfonso, Charl and Pete will be in for this one.  What of ARC?  Well the official site is saying yes so we should see 6 foot 7 of international bowler striding out at 11:00.

The declared squad of 13 includes a couple of injury doubts.  Phillips will probably not take the field and Waller may not be over his injury at Edgbaston so may not be up for consideration.  So it seems that Langer's only real consideration will be whether to leave the spin option in the hands of his opening batsman Arul Suppiah or invite Omari Banks to take the 11th spot in the side.  He may opt for an all pace attack in which case that last spot will go to David Stiff.  I personally would expect to see Banks but Caddick's fitness may also have an influence and Stiff may be drafted in to provide cover for a break down in the big man.

Expected side;

Trescothick, Suppiah, Langer, de Bruyn, Hildreth, Kieswetter, Trego, Banks, Thomas, Caddick, Willoughby

The Stiff option has been chosen given the overcast conditions, Justin has gone with pace.  Yorkshire have won the toss and elected to bat first.  Surprising?  Well with Hoggard in the side and taking into acocunt what he did to us on a swinging pitch in the first hour of the Headingley game I personally think so but we'll have to see if Mcgrath has made an error or an astute assessment of the pitch and the side he faces.  I'll be at the game later and the commentray shou.d be ready to go so more to come during the day.

Day 1 Rudolph's Day

With Caddick back in a five man pace attack and overcast conditions for most of the day one would have hoped that McGrath's decision to bat with his young and inexperienced side could have been to the home side's advantage.

Willoughby (bowling from the River end unexpectedly) was partnered with Thomas for the opening spell.  An indication of the form of the latter.  Langer hoped for swing and early wickets.  To some extent he got them as Alfonso paid his skipper back for the confidence and skittled Sayers with only 24 up.  He then welcomed the Yorkshire captain with a hefty rap on the helmet as McGrath took his eye of a rising one and got it in the head.

Unfortunately, it didn't rattle the skippe and he and Rudolph built a much more assertive second wicket partnership.  Caddick and Stiff came on as a double change.  It was good to see the tall man loping in once more and we thought he'd done the trick when a full inswinger had Jacques castled all ends up - beautiful ball.  But the big man had overstepped and Rudolph went on from 35 (ominously it became clear later).  Stiff had a big job to do today.  This was the test, bowling with a Somerset icon.  He didn't get his line right though and Rudolph especially punished him for it.  He went for 52 off his first 7 and established the South African at the crease. 

When Trego took Anthony caught behind at 104 we thought we might have another breakthrough but by this time Rudolph was running the innings and he and Lyth started to push the score along at an alarming rate in the middle session after lunch.  It wasn't a case of nothing for the bowlers but there were more than enough balls for the Yorkshiremen to plunder and too many they didn't have to play at. In the end Justin had to turn to de Bruyn to break the partnership at 222 when he had Lyth caught by Hildreth in midfield.

Rudolph was over three figures, Gale was at the wicket and the opposition were in charge and although Willoughby did remove Gale at 267 just before Tea a 400 score in the day and a double hundred were on the cards.  We were behind the required run rate, we had only one spinner to try and put the brakes on and the swing that seemed to be there was not paying dividends for the bowlers although they were unlucky on more than one occasion,  But the 'press' wasn't there and we kept letting the batsmen dictate terms with looseners and four balls relieving the pressure when it was built up.

After Tea Langer and Trescothick seemed to have a plan for Bairstow - who had such a good match on debut at Headingley.  But despite the fact that he didn't seem connected to the game for much of the first hour at the crease and that his first 14 runs came mostly from poor shot selection that edged balls just out of reach of the 3 slip cordon, he was a stubborn mule to shift.  Meanwhile Jacques just ploughed on.

Langer brought Suppiah into the attack (although mostly to get the over rate up from -2) and he caused both batsmen more trouble - because they had to play more deliveriesThomas was used from the River but was wide of the mark too many times and eventually the skipper resorted to Stiff from the OP.  A much better second spell from the young man delivered a result as Rudolph went to cut one and played on to his leg stump on 191.  7 overs for 23 was David's second spell result and the vitally important wicket of the man who almost was the Yorkshire innings.  Excellent knock from Rudolph, solid, sensible and fully assured and we left the pitch to very warm appreciative applause.

Could we get into them now?  Rafiq was the next man in at 338 for 5.  19 year old, usually a number 9 or 10 but who made 100 in his last game in a huge 9th wicket stand with the Hogster against Worcestershire.  He looked good as well.  He didn't hit a lot but he looked like he could.  He was taking no chances with just over 10 overs to go.  His job was to keep up an end and give Bairstow the chance to develop an innings.  The son of the famous Tykes keeper had survived the early jitters and was playing strokes with a little more authority but he still seemed a little detached from the job at hand so the Somerset boss brought Willoughby back at the River and gave "Alf" a last spell at the OP.

Thomas bowls the last spell of the day in a Championship match as if it is the last part of a one day innings and he got his full length ball going.  Twice he speared the ball into the feet of Rafiq and twice the batsman managed to survive without actually dealing with the ball.  On the first one he just got bat on a ball that hit him plumb in front and on the second he went to flip the ball away and missed it as it flew past and into the keeper's gloves.  This ball particularly got right up Alfonso's nose and he had words (he'd already had a little "conference" with Bairstow). Back to his mark and in again with an absolutely superb inswinger that had Rafiq in all sorts of trouble.  This time he connected and Craig pouched the ball.  Out for 4 and Yorkshire 370 for 6.

We were into the tail and Shazad arrived with the sole purpose of taking his side through to the end of the day.  No attempts to do anything but keep the ball out and support the established man.  Thomas was fired up and steaming in so it was not the time for Bairstow to lose concentration.  Alfonso was bouncing both men and producing some pace and some movement but it was the end of the day so it was just a case of avoidance for the batsmen.  In the penultimate over that is exactly what should have happened.  Unfortunately Bairstow didn't get his bat far enough away from one he was leaving and he deposited the ball right into the keeper's gloves 7 balls from the end!!

375 for 7 and Hoggy next man in.  We need an hour of effort at the start of Day 2...Maybe some Caddick magic as he is the only paceman without a wicket?  Back in the game boys and girls.  What will tomorrow bring?

  

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Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Grockles.com (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 10:16

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009:07:08:10:35:02 by Grockle.

The greatest Competition of them all...
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 29/06/2009 10:57

It's back.

Home to Yorkshire.

What side do we pick?

Major conundrum, for me, is whether we bring MKM back after a productive second XI game vs Gloucs, after he struggled against the same opponents in Leeds?

One thing in his favour, is that it's very unlikely to be nine degrees at any point, in Taunton, during the next week (as it was on opening day in Leeds.)

Will Waller be fit? If not, I think we should again gamble on MKM, as opposed to recalling Banks.

Or, in humid conditions, will Brian go for an all-swing attack?

I'd consider that - Charl, Alfonso, Ben and Pete and packing the batting to help deal with all the swing. One imagines Hoggy will be looking forward to it, as will Charl.

With the humid weather I'm going to tempt fate and say that, thunderstorms permitting, there's every chance of another compelling contest with the Yorkies..

Re: The greatest Competition of them all...
Posted by: Kentish Townie (IP Logged)
Date: 29/06/2009 13:41

Certainly think we should play a spinner; Waller would be my first choice, Munday if not, we have to attack.

Tight one between Stiff and Phillips; Ben has taken wickets at Taunton but Stiff is the man in possession and improving all the time.

The person under most pressure on this game has to be Phil Frost; can he deliver a pitch that produces a result?

Re: The greatest Competition of them all...
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 29/06/2009 14:04

I think the atmospheric conditions will do the trick (assuming it does not rain) and that the swing bowlers on either side bowl anything like.

Re: The greatest Competition of them all...
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 29/06/2009 15:34

Caddick and Jones AG? Not in your plans?

Suppose it will make no difference anyway if Frosty doesn't manufacture a Somerset winning pitch. None of them will be able to play on it and should commit suicide rather than waste their lives playing on the carpet that is Taunton.

What is the point one wonders? May as well save my bus fare and stay at home rather than bore myself to tears by going to a match that is ging to have nothing exciting in it unless Phil is on form and we get a real results pitch totally different to anything we've had at the County Ground for decades where results never happen and bowlers simply kill themselve trying to play the game on such an unforgiving surface year in year out.

The facts surely must show that it is a waste of time....why don't those who control it go and look at the statistics so they can bring back irrefutable proof that Somerset can't win a game on this road for those who don't believe the truth that is staring them in the face?

Frosty is the only one that matters and until that is agreed there can be no progress at all in Somerset cricket so we may as well not bother to debate any team changes because it will make no difference whatsoever.



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Re: The greatest Competition of them all...
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 29/06/2009 15:39

Stop sitting on the fence Grockle !

Grizzzly

Re: The greatest Competition of them all...
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 29/06/2009 15:41

Might as well Grizz. I seem to enjoy garbage cricket on a regular basis and I even get excited by it. Total waste of my time it seems.



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Re: The greatest Competition of them all...
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 29/06/2009 15:46

I will be sat on the "Gimblett Hill" it is more comfortable than a fence.

Re: The greatest Competition of them all...
Posted by: everhopefull (IP Logged)
Date: 29/06/2009 15:50

Somerset name following 12
(from) M.Trescothick, A.Suppiah, J.Langer (capt), J.Hildreth, Z.de Bruyn, C.Kieswetter (wkt), P.Trego, A.Thomas, O.Banks, D.Stiff, C.Willoughby, A.Caddick, B.Phillips.


Waller still not, so in comes Banks.

Stiff on water duty I would have thought.

Looking forward to a good four days of proper cricket.

Re: The greatest Competition of them all...
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 29/06/2009 16:30

Still no sighting of Wes Durston, then.

There are actually 13 names there, EH.

If Caddy's fit enough to be in the 13, then he should surely play. It's not as though he's some promising youngster who should be included to boost his confidence or something!

The first seven are all but sure to play; then it will be four from six.

I'd guess Brian will will go for Charl, Alfonso, Caddy and, maybe, Stiff.

Phillips supposedly has some slight shoulder strain, or at least did before the recent T20 game.

A little disappointing that MKM does not make the party, even with Waller out. Don't really want to see Banks, quite frankly. Hope he proves me wrong if picked, though.

Re: The greatest Competition of them all...
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 29/06/2009 16:36

Mr Hurry says that AC has had to bowl a 'minimum number of overs, which was specified by the club,' in order to get back in the squad. It sounds like AC has done everything that was asked of him and he is now bowling;

"With serious intent and hitting the right areas."

Mr Hurry has again reminded the batsman of their responsibility to put a decent first-innings on the board (400+) I wonder if he's running out of patience with the number of sub 400 first innings scores.

Re: The greatest Competition of them all...
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 29/06/2009 16:41

I am with you AG about Caddick, he must be ready to play otherwise why put his name down, and if he is ready he must play.

I am a little nervous on seeing his name there, but if he plays lets hope he takes five.

Re: The greatest Competition of them all...
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 29/06/2009 17:23

The Yorkshire camp was said to be in disarray at Headingley yesterday over the late withdrawal from the side of Michael Vaughan pending his retirement announcement tomorrow. They lost their final 20/20 match to Derbyshire by 37 runs.

Skipper Anthony McGrath was expected to be out for at least another week with a car crash whiplash injury, but decided to play at the last moment to try to boost morale. I wonder if will he play against us in the cc.

Wicket-keeper batsman Gerard Brophy is definitely out tomorrow with a dislocated finger. Jonathan Bairstow was allowed to substitute for him behind the stumps against Derby, but not to bat.

Re: The greatest Competition of them all...
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 29/06/2009 17:26

That's bad news for Fonzy. He has owned Brophy in games vs Yorks.

Brophy b Thomas (pretty much every time, so far.)

Re: The greatest Competition of them all...
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 29/06/2009 18:05

Good news for Alfonso after all, AG.

Yorkshire are now reporting that Brophy`s finger has been relocated (is that the right medical term?) and he will play.

Re: The greatest Competition of them all...
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 29/06/2009 21:05

Caddy sure to play, don't think any way Ben will.

Therefore straight choice between Omari and Stiff, tough one, depends on likely conditions i guess.
Given Langers big liking of Stiff i'd suggest Omari likely to miss out with Arul being the single spin option.

Looking like nice forecast so i'm all for batting first, nice big first innings total by Wednesday lunch time them let the scoreboard pressure, and the 'road' do the rest...

Re: The greatest Competition of them all...
Posted by: Sloop John B (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 09:56

It is a very warm and humid day in TA1 - so the side batting first might face some swing....

Possibility of an occasional shower too I would think.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 10:58

I'#m certainly planning to have the occasional shower today, particularly if Caddick's return leads to significant over-excitement.



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Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 10:59

PD Trego, DA Stiff, AC Thomas, JC Hildreth, JL Langer*, ME Trescothick, C Kieswetter†, AR Caddick, AV Suppiah, CM Willoughby, Z de Bruyn

Yorks have won toss and will bat.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 11:00

Which should give Rosey a chance to have a quiet word with Matthew Hoggard.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 11:04

ARC doesn't get the new ball.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Wickham (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 11:06

Swansong for Caddy? Some of us regard him as little more than a cygnet.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 11:08

Bad pun from BJ expected imminently.



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Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 11:13

Bad Pub?

Surprised that McGrath didn't bowl. Caddy doesn't break the Thomas/Willoughby partnership...hmmm

Big game for Stiff as well.



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Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 11:29

Sorry Grockle: I edited my mistake before realising you'd spotted it.

First blood to Thomas. Keep em coming.



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Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Kentish Townie (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 11:34

Very disappointed by the squad. How is it justifiable to select Banks who has contributed little this season when an attacking spin option is a must.

If I were Munday I would be considering my future after this; a shameful way to treat our talent; wse have to go asll out for victory; MM might take wickets he might get tonked, we have to take the risk. What does Banks contribute exactly?

Hard to justify Caddick's inclusion either given we have won two games on the trot with the bowlers taking wickets.

Willo, Thomas. Stiff and Trego would be my seam attack, but why or why, Banks..?

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 11:42

Oh do give it a rest.
"Why oh why" would anyone be "considering their future" because of missing an opportunity to carry the drinks?

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Kentish Townie (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 11:44

See we've gone with five seamers which I can sort of see as it provides back up for Caddy and there's nothing Banks can do with the ball that Arul can't.

Thomas has the new ball; pleasantly suprised by his return to form as he was poor at the start of the season.

Yorks have won toss and batting; but is that the right tactic at Taunton these days; as any help for the bowlers is early on and we don't have a specialist spinner?

Intriguing.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 11:46

I've now read the SCCC team 173 times and still can't see anybody called Banks in it.



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Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 11:51

"Caddy doesn't break the Thomas/Willoughby partnership...hmmm ."

I'd wager good money, Grockle, that it's a case of Langer winding him up, more than anything else. He knows Caddy will be steaming at the perceived slight.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 11:52

Need to split these two early.

Did no-one mention the Sayers wicket?

I'd only just logged on and assumed (from reading this) that we were wicketless after 52 minutes...

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 12:06

And the great man is on.. with what, presumably, may have been a slightly rusty first over.

Are any of you listening to today's play?

If so could somebody please let us know what the Yorks' commentators make of Caddy?

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 12:11

Could be shaping up for a long day in the field, as was the case in this corresponding fixture last year. On that occasion we fought back very well, after they had dominated day one. Be nice to not have to dig ourselves out of a hole of that size this time, though.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 12:16

I'm listening, AG; but not to the Yorkies.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 12:20

There's HOME commentary, FE?

Surely not? Great news if there is!!

Was Stiff's second over wild?

Has there been much swing? If so, we surely want to get the cherry in Pete's hands, sooner rather than later?

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 12:32

I'm up and down from my desk I'm afraid, AG, so dipping in and out. Can't give a useful answer to either question I'm afraid.
Can you not try the commentary link for yourself?
It's at the top of Grockle's intro piece on this thread.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 12:35

Yep Richard and Steve are on for the morning. Don't know who is doing the mmiddle shift and then I'm on with a compadre for the post Tea session. The link is on the main site or at the top of this threaad in the frontpage story.

Caddick has just skittled Rudolph with a peach of a yorker....but it was a no ball.



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Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 12:38

Don't do that to me, Grockle!!!! I just read the first bit and was about to leap from my seat!!!!

Still, shows - hopefully (?) - that the great man is starting to find his range?

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 12:46

BoBo into the attack now, AG.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 12:50

maybe we have to wait until the end of the day KT to see whether Frosty has shown the form that will win us the game. Nothing else we do matters because the pitch decides all and the grounds staff's ability to fiddle it for our bowlers is the only important consideration.

Don't really understand why you're talking about the bowling choices. That should be decided by what Frosty has done to the pitch shouldn't it? If he's set it up for pace then a quality spinner (and Michael has yet to show he is one) is irrelevant.

If a results pitch has been manufactured by the only important member of the Somerset set-up (the groundsman) then a spinner will be murdered and the side will not be playing to the pitch plan.... not "good" or "exciting" cricket that.



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Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 12:55

Yep, I've found - to my delight - that this commentary stream works on my work computer. None of the BBC ones ever seem to.

We're going to require a strong fight-back after lunch, I fancy.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 13:18

Hope your work colleagues manage that strong fightback, AG, making up for your wasted day listening to the cricket at your desk!

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 13:41

Okay, you win, SP, Somerset will require a strong fightback after lunch.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 13:42

BoBo...........YOU da MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 13:46

And with that, I've lost the commentary feed.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 13:50

That'll teach you!

Back to work, slackers (Sm14)

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 13:52

And................we're back!

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 13:57

The green-eyed monster is a terrible thing, is it not...

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 14:11

Comments will be used on the net - assuming we have access this afternoon - from tea onwards. It'll be warm in there I think.



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Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Ronnie sabre (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 14:40

Really cant see why we haven't picked a specliast spinner....they picked Munday at Headingly so why not today. Caddick and Stiff have been smashed as far as I can see. I certainly wouldn't have picked both of them one maybe but two is overkill. We have 6 seamers including DeBryun. would 5 not do to get a spinner in?

Its odds on our partimer will be on shortly. What chance has he got.

Theyve got to look at the best team to win the game and not pick the team just to give people a game. Selection bemuses me it really does

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 14:43

Unless we bat really badly and/or Yorks bowl brilliantly, then KT will be having a field day at this rate.......

Come on somebody, piece of magic, pretty please..?

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 14:48

Grockle said earlier that this was a big test for Stiff.

Unfortunately, it's not one that he is passing. 7 overs for 53?

I think, Ronnie, that Caddy should, perhaps, not be tarred with quite the same brush. Not only is 8 overs for 35 not in that league of profligacy, but his first over of the season went for 10, so it was 7 overs for 25 from that point.

Stiff also got hammered in his previous game at Taunton too. I think it was 27 overs for 135 on that occasion?



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Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 14:54

Stiff's first over of his second spell went for plenty. He had been reasonably tight previously, though.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 14:56

Fair enough, FE.

Ton up Rudolph and 7th bowler on now (Zander).

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 15:00

And 12 off Zander's first, too.

ARC is back on, now.

It needs somebody to come up big to prevent a huge total here, me thinks..

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 15:01

8 off Caddick's first over back, too.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 15:08

Any chance of the car, FE?

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Ronnie sabre (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 15:14

AG 16 overs for 100 is a pasting in my book sorry.

I have been a great Caddick fan for years but this team selection stinks of just getting him into the team at all costs at the expense of a spinner.

Rose has already gone on record saying that we have to develop one and that is what cost us bowling teams out twice. Were hardly going to develop one this way are we.

If Caddick was to play Stiff should make way. If they cant drop Stiff then Caddick cant play. THey cant just play him cos it keeps him happy and that the way it seems to me.

The job here is to win the title and I fear that this big decision will not help.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 15:18

I'm not sure the powers-that-be see much, if any mileage, in slow bowling at Taunton. I think the view is that the pitch will offer very little in the way of either turn or bounce.

Personally, if I was going to pick five frontline bowlers, I would have picked Munday rather than Stiff.

To be honest, though, I was expecting plenty of swing due to moisture in the air, so might have gone with a batting heavy line-up and not seen the need for five front-line bowlers, anyway.

Forecast seems potentially shaky from lunchtime tomorrow onwards, anyway, so I'm not sure any of it is going to make much difference in this one.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 15:20

We have a bowling point! Zander strikes though, sadly, it's not J A Rudolph.

Still, I'm sure it's a huge relief to everyone to get a breakthrough before tea.



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Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 15:26

Methinks our batsmen had better not have another case of first innings-itis in this game !

Unclear re selection Policy. It does suggest a slight lack of faith in Messrs. Munday/Waller, but I guess the decision was based on pitch conditions ?

Speaking of which, how did the strip look first thing - any watering evident ??!!!

Grizzzly

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 15:31

Waller was not fit for selection, Grizzly.

He had been responding well to rest but then stopped responding, so Brian is sending him for a scan on his side injury.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 15:35

Thanks AG. Come to think of it, I had read that on the other site yesterday - brain not yet in this morning !

Grizzzly

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 15:39

Yorks have a longer tail for this one, but the question is.. will we ever get there....

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 15:49

Looking at the scorecard (and based on the impressions gained of hearing how he was actually bowling earlier), one has to ask the question YET AGAIN;

"Has Langer under-bowled P D Trego in this one,"??

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 15:57

Willo strikes, immediately after Tres is put into second slip by Langer.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 15:59

Who's gone, FE?

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 16:00

Not the reindeer, sadly.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 16:02

ah!

Didn't the Yorks scorecard first innings from this game last year end up with a big score from Santa's helper and then not a vast amount from the others?

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: edinburghbil (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 16:05

I wonder why Trigger gets so few overs in so many games, especially since his figures are so good today, with most of the others taking some tap ?

Maybe we should raid Gloucs and have Jon Lewis as our captain next year ? The trigger could be never knowingly underbowled ??

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 16:07

For most of Day one at Headingley, it seemed to be the same story. The Yorks' radio guys said he was bowling really well, yet for most of the day most of the others had bowled more than him and it was only right at the end that he caught up. One was left wondering what might have happened had he been given more overs with a newer cherry.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 16:12

Scorecard.

Gale and Brophy might resent the "not much else" comment, AG; but there are similarities.
But consolation should be drawn from the fact that they were 300+ before we had them four down last year.
Further consolation should also be drawn from the fact that the boys won't be hampered by my Jonah-esque (and I don't mean the burly Welsh bowler) presence this time round.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 16:14

AG.
Assuming that Pete is a traditional "contrast swing" bowler, he may well be less effective with the newer ball. There has to be some wear on one side to offer the contrast.
Just a thought!

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 16:20

Yeah, but then surely Charl is also an orthodox swing bowler?

Maybe he does more 'other stuff,' with the ball, but he doesn't bowl much quicker than Pete, although he does have a height advantage (although Charl does not bowl with an up-right action.)

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 16:21

And, in this one, Pete did, of course, get a wicket at the front end of his spell.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 16:26

I read an interesting paper a few years ago about how different speeds suited different ages of ball and different conditions in terms of swing, so that may play a part.
The general tenor of the paper (I think) was that quicker deliveries were more likely to swing conventionally with a new ball, and that medium pace suited an older ball, provided the shine had been well maintained on one side (this was what waas referred to as "contrast swing").
The same paper said that true "reverse" (i.e. the ball swinging towards the shiny side) only happened at 90+mph.
There are a lot of theories about swing, of course, but this seemed most closely to match what I've observed over the years.


Edited for typos.



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Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 16:32

Yes, would that we had a 90mph + reverse swing bowler in our armoury...

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 16:47

Stiff and Turner are capable of that pace, but I don't know whether either reverses it.
The cynic might say they'd have to pitch it up a bit to do that!

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 17:05

From what Grockle is saying, it sounds like a pretty poor bowling display today - with far too much stuff simply being wide of off-stick so the batsman can ignore it.

Apparently, batting hasn't looked simple when we've actually got it on target. On the one hand, that suggests that if we make them play more, we may suddenly pick up wickets.

On the other hand, it also suggests that our reply may be tough if Yorks bowl well.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 17:08

Well we've heard time and time again that we should have bowled better, but we can always blame it on the track.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 17:11

Bairstow living heavily off edged boundaries. Very lucky.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 17:12

I've changed may car, and will soon be investigating whether the wicket-taking potential has been transferred.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 17:13

Let's hope it's been turbo-charged.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Ronnie sabre (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 17:32

you aint gonna win the title bowling like this. Durham's second teamers can bowl teams out for less than 200.

I have now accepted that our fleeting success recently in the CC is just that-fleeting!!

The end of Mr Stiff for a while methinks. From afar it looks like weve bowled total dross most of the day......Pete excepted. It will take a monumntal mental effort to come back from this from him.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Sloop John B (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 17:45

The reindeer has gone - bowled Stiff (or is that bored stiff)

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 17:53

Wasn't he none for 57 off 8?
One for 18 off 6 this session looks good enough to me!

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 18:02

FE - the run rate. Do we get penalised if we are behind at the end of the innings or at the end of the day?



(Sm72)

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 18:08

I think I heard someone this morning say it's at the end of the match.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 18:13

Just checked then ECB web site and it's over the course of the match.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 18:23

End of the MATCH, Grockle.
They can make up a negative first innings run rate with a positive second innings one.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 18:25

375-7.

Almost getting respectable from our viewpoint. Lets finish them off pdq.

Grizzzly

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: bloke (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 18:30

Anyone else managed to listen to Grockle's commentary? I'm just getting error after error.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 18:32

Looks like that is close of play.

Bowling figures of Messrs Caddick, Stiff & Trego make for interesting reading:

Caddick: 16-1-77-0

Stiff: 14-1-75-1

Trego: 12-4-28-1

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.................

Grizzzly

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 18:34

Cheers FE - seems a bit daft I'd penalise them each innings but there you go.

Strange innings from Bairstow. Wasn't really here. His wicket was just a lack of concentration.... didn't get his bat out of the way while leaving one.

Gave us a lifeline back into this match and left us ending the first day on a high facing the Hogster tomorrow morning.

Not a great first day but we'll be hoping to have them a lot nearer 400 than they would have been had Rudolph still been there.

If you were getting error after error Bloke then you WERE listening to the commentary surely!!



(Sm72)

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 19:14

Bit harsh to punish Somerset for the run rate, surely?

Over rate, maybe, but not the run rate...

Ronnie, I think that David Stiff has had very few bad days in the CC for us so far - I wouldn't write him off after this one. You'll be catching AG's disease soon, writing people off after one bad over or a batter facing a couple of dot balls in a one-day game.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Ronnie sabre (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 19:29

I agree SP, he did make a good comeback after being tonked.

I sinecereley hope the Cadster does likewise tomorrow or in the second innings. On the plus side Alfie seems to be bowling really well at the minute taking plenty of wickets.
Just wish Waller had been fit. I think theyd have played him this game.

Just want Somerset to win..........quite badly actually. Probably get carried away.

Tomorrow is another day though.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 19:39

Stiffy shous promise but he has to have consistent periods. He sorted his session out but needs 14 overs rather than 7 bad then 7 good or vice versa. We need to keep the pressure on. He certainly wasn't the only one to do that today. But we alos need to remember that had Caddy got Rudolph with his no ball peach then we would have been fully on top of the game.

Work on the extras and the loose stuff and we'll be there or there abouts though. Arul did well and maybe could have been kept on. I have to agree with whoever said Max would have played and probably have bowled more overs.



(Sm72)

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 20:22

Personally think we bowled far better than the scoreboard suggests.
I'll start by sayng i'd have had Munday in for Stiff, 6 seamers is too many when it means Arul is the only spin option.

Thomas was excellent, last spell he was vey sharp, if rafiq, shazad & bairstow had wider bats he'd have had them all in no time.

Trego again i thought was very good, and as usual underused.

Charl as accurate as ever and a little unlucky.

Caddy is just coming back so i'll excuse him a bit of rustiness, bowled Rudolph off a no ball with a peach, also a few other good old fashoined back of a length balls which beat the bat.

Stiff, as inconsistent as ever. owled 2 of the worst overs i've seen after lunch, 38 off 2 overs i think it was, 3 lots of byes so far down leg side that closer to fine leg than the keeper, wides, long hops the works.
Then he changed ends later and bowled a great spell, fast, accurate, beat the bat and bowled Rudolph played on.

Good start tomorrow, all out for 420ish then we can get batting...

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 23:13

A few photos from today.

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/5120/jrudolphoffasappiahbowl.jpg

Arul Suppiah should have bowled more overs today The new ball was taken when he should have been given a longer spell
When he did bowl he beat the bat several times, in the photo above he was unlucky when he beat Rudolph's bat.
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/452/amcgrathhitfirstballbyt.jpg

This is the greeting McGrath got first ball by Thomas.

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/452/amcgrathhitfirstballbyt.jpg

McGrath having his face treated.

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9755/jrudolphbowledoffanobal.jpg

This was Caddick bowling Rudolph off a no-ball.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 23:18

Stunning stuff,Mike.

If anyone bumps in to TykesRus at the game can they please tell him that I have been unable to make it due to a serious issue at home.
I may be able to get there later in the week but it all depends on what happens with my wife who shall be in hospital.

He is on the look out for me and I can't contact him once he is away from the computer.



Trego for England

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 23:32

Sorry to hear about your wife Jim I hope she improves soon.

If you do manage to get to the ground Rob and I are always on the Gimblett Hill it would be nice to see you.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 23:36

And the same from me,Mike.
I was hoping today and tomorrow were all sorted.
Illness has no respect for cricket though.
Which is a shame.



Trego for England

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 07:24

Take care, Jim . No way I shall be there but I'll be thinking of you both.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 08:16

Have you got a photo of Craig's brilliant catch Mike?

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 08:36

No Rob I missed it,I think it may have been when I was having trouble with the camera.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 10:34

"Ronnie, I think that David Stiff has had very few bad days in the CC for us so far - I wouldn't write him off after this one. You'll be catching AG's disease soon, writing people off after one bad over or a batter facing a couple of dot balls in a one-day game."

What's the dot balls supposed to reference, SP?

If it's meant to reference Langer, weren't YOU also calling for him to bat at the top of the order or not play in the T20? I'm pretty sure you were.

As for Stiff, I think you are wrong.

Stiff has bowled some good wicket-taking balls. But according to most reports I’ve read, commentaries I’ve listened to etc, he’s had regular wild spells. And not just one bad ball an over, but three or four bad balls an over, during the really poor spells.

As I said the other day, I think events will prove that – at best – Stiff will become a guy that we sign with a view to deploying him when we encounter fast and bouncy tracks. He'd have to improve, hand over fist, to become a regular pick on all tracks.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 10:51

DA Stiff's Championship numbers so far this year.

6* matches 10 innings 159.0 overs 25 maidens 610 runs 17 wickets 4/72 5/93 35.88 average 3.83 economy

Compare fairly favourably with

Balls Mdns Runs Wkts BB Ave Econ
5980 204 3506 120 6-79 29.21 3.51

Anyone care to name the bowler whose first-class numbers for Somerset those are?



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Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 11:47

Quote:
Ronnie Sabre
you aint gonna win the title bowling like this. Durham's second teamers can bowl teams out for less than 200.

And then limp to 63 for 6 in reply. You ain't gonna (or at least shouldn't) win the Championship batting like that!

Chester-le-Street: now that's a proper cricket wicket, eh KT?

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 12:07

I've lost the commentary feed. Anyone else?

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 12:11

I lost the Somerset commentary and had to turn over to Radio Leeds, who promptly allowed Yorkshire-born Stiff to take four wickets.

Well done Stiff, particularly after the disappointments of yesterday.



LoL

Sixty-two Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 12:16

3 for 17 off 5 this morning by my reckoning. Good lad!

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Ronnie sabre (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 12:21

I agree..great effort after yesterday. His mental ability to get over yesterday has to be commended as well as the obvious physical ability.

Lets not have a Headingly start guys. Sitting in the stand at Headingley when Tres and Langer were out in the first over wasn't easy with all those Yorkies. I was spitting fire but never said anything.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Wickham (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 12:28

I haven't listened to the commentary this morning, so do not know how well Stiff has bowled. But, leaving aside this morning's performance (which, on paper at least, looks to have been good), I do think that he is worth persisting with. His performances this season suggest that he can bowl at a decent pace and that he has the priceless ability to take wickets. It is futile to look for a straight replacement for Caddick. But a poor(ish) man's Harmison (which Stiff may have the potential to become) is not to be sneezed at.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 12:29

Yes, great comeback from Stiff today.

p.s. FE - I don't know whose figures those are. In my previous comments I was going on reports read and commentary to which I had listened. I know he's taken some wickets, I just think he's had major accuracy problems in the previous games.


p.p.s. Are those Jonah's numbers?

They cannot be Ian's because the ER is too high.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 12:31

Will be interested to see how Shazad goes on our pitch. He's out of contract at season's end and reportedly bowled well against us in Leeds. Hung around with the bat today, too.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 12:35

Stiff is now Somerset`s second leading wicket-taker with 20 -only four behind Willow and in one less match.

Best of all, as he proved both against Sussex and today, he can dismiss the tail by sheer speed. How long is it since we had someone like that.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 12:40

Exactly cj-m!

The numbers I quoted aren't Steff's, but his would have been another valid comparitor. His average over his first-class career with us is higher than Stiff's is currently, and his e/r only 0.2 of a run better per over.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 12:43

Pete's numbers then? (in which case, there's the career batting average of 36 or whatever to factor in, too!)

They can't be Caddy, Willow's or Alfonso's record, as average of 29 is too high. They're not Ian's as average is too low and ER far too high.

Ben Phillips has not taken 120 wickets for us, ditto Mark Turner.

Have to admit to being slighly surprised that Pete would have that many, too, but there isn't anybody else left, unless we're not talking current or (very) recent players.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 12:44

Yes FE: I too have lost the Somerset commentary and your revelation that you too are bereft has saved my computer from being kicked to death.

Still everything has gone rather well since I tuned in to Leeds (and I think those Yorkshire men are well informed and even handed).



LoL

Sixty-two Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 12:46

They were good last season and good at Leeds, too. Obviously, I'm assuming it's the same team.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 12:46

Starnge as it may seem, AG, my interest in SCCC extends a little further back than 2005!!! winking smiley

But the numbers are those of an opening bowler, of relatively recent vintage. I was looking at someone who provided a decent foil to Caddick.
Any more clues required?

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 12:47

Sadly we have a Real Player embargo here, so I am unable to enjoy Radio Leeds.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 12:53

Yes, FE, same deal here on the Real Player front.

I simply assumed we were talking a current or very recent player, not suggesting you don't know any players from further back!

I guess we're talking N A M Maclean, then?

I suppose he's a good parallel as a fast bowler who also had radar issues, at times.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 12:56

He was my man.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 13:00

Patterson is on now. He caused quite a few problems in this home fixture last season.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 13:01

... never heard of David Gurr, then?

Still no Somerset commentary after lunch.



LoL

Sixty-two Seasons a Somerset Supporter



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Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Wickham (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 13:54

AP van Troost, of blessed memory, had figures for Somerset of:
8043 203 5419 140 6-48 38.70 4.04

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 14:01

No, I hadn't heard of him LoL: and CricInfo hasn't furthered my education by a great distance.
Tell me more.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 14:16

Our captain really could use some first-innings runs, that innings being where the bonus points are, and all.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 14:28

David Gurr was an Oxford Blue and one of the fastest bowler in the land in his brief pomp in the late Seventies, but he started to bowl no-balls and lose his direction. To quote from the essential guide for any serious SCCC supporter, "Sixty Summers" (that man Foot again):

He arrived from Oxford with a dream action. Everyone seemed to forecast Test recognition for him. He had the pace and natural movement; not, alas, the mental fibre. There were just 24 first-class appearances for Somerset. By then his length, line and overall confidence had gone completely.

The county tried everything, including psychoanalysis, to restore his innate bowling gifts. He could still pitch immaculately in the nets, but it was a cruel deception.

There was the time he simply couldn't will himself to play against the New Zealanders. In a hurry, Somerset were left to play two wicket-keepers, Taylor and Gard. When Greg Chappell was back at Taunton, having a net for a challenge competition, he was beaten repeatedly by Gurr. "Who is this chap?" he asked. "Is he going to tour for England"


He read Theology at Oxford and had been planning to be ordained and I can remember noting that his decline coincided with his decision not to pursue a career in the Church. God moved in a very mysterious and tantalising way on that occasion.



LoL

Sixty-two Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 14:29

i wish james would bat a bt faster

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 14:39

Thanks for that, LoL.

In the minutes between posts, I have found him on CricketArchive. Interestingly, his raw first class numbers for SCCC would appear to stand up well compared to some of those mentioned above.

Matches Inns NO Runs HS Ave 50 100
24 26 17 161 21 17.88 0 0
Balls Mdns Runs Wkts BB Ave Ct St
3606 119 1951 64 5-30 30.48 5 0

Just serves as a reminder that the stats rarely tell the whole story.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Wickham (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 14:43

Apparently, David Gurr looked like an England bowler in the nets, but could suffer from (what was then not called) the yips in the middle. In one 2nd XI game, he bowled a series of wides and was only able to complete the over when the umpire took pity on him and declined to call other balls as wides.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 14:47

Quote:
Nailsea_Fizz
i wish james would bat a bt faster
longer!

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 14:48

Poor guy.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 14:52

I take it you mean, David, rather than James!

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 14:55

Yes, didn't know James was out, though I did think it would be imminent when I saw that post about him. Some of our posters never learn!

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 14:57

Is there anyone here that is able to listen at the moment that can tell us about Hildreth's knock?

Was he totally dominant? Was it mainly a matter of uber-attacking fields, so that anything that beat the in-field was always four?

Did he suddenly get a snorter, or get carried away with himself?

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Wickham (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 15:08

Yes.
Yes
Bit of both.
The latter.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 15:51

Congratulations to Trescothick on yet another fine innings.

It is amazing that such a distinguished cricketer still has a batting average of only 38, but during his next twenty years playing for us he will increase it to 50.



LoL

Sixty-two Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 15:54

Hear! Hear!

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 15:59

What's even more surprising is that if you remove his Test runs, his domestic first-class average is just 35.7; but with a following wind, he should hit his 10,000th domestic first-class run for Somerset before the end of this campaign.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 16:03

... and his 100,000th by 2020.



LoL

Sixty-two Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 17:48

Reverting to previous comments re Stiff, reading reports from afar, he reminds me of AvT (of whose erratic bowling I have to confess I was not great fan - sorry Andre). The radar seems to fire a bit more successfully than woth AvT though ?

Not sure if I ever saw David Gurr, but I recall Ian Botham referred to him when commentating on the infamous Boswell over in the C & G Final a few years ago.

Grizzzly

P.S. Well done Marcus. Hang on in their with PT - double tons for both of you please !

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 17:54

You'll be in the nets with Grockle, Grizzly!

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 17:54

Wish I'd kept my mouth shut re PT.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 18:11

It's disappointing for many of our batsmen to get starts and then get out. The management comments will probably say the same.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 18:25

Not an accusation that can be levelled at Langer today!

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 18:42

Maybe they'll comment that the two innings mirror each other and that Rudolph held their innings together while Marcus did the same for us. Maybe our management should answer for their innings as well? What should the comment be Both?

Limp dismissal for MT, Craig was worked out by a good effort from Shazahad. PT got a low straight one and was plumb and Alf went to excellent keeping from Bairstow. Hilda lost his head a bit and I don't know what happened to Zander.

Good entertainment from Charl but why don't big bowlers bowl straight balls to tail enders? Charl made no attempt to defend his stumps. He just stepped back and swung. Many times he was stood the on side of the wicket watching the ball go down the off side and the stumps wide open.



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Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: fRed (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 19:31

Awful shot from Hildreth to be bowled (Sm4)

Forcast looks bad tomorrow.



Cricket's the winner.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 20:03

It'll be a shame if this game is decided by weather.... there's a lot still to happen. Hope it stays away and the best side wins.



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Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 20:35

Anoher great days 4 day cricket.

389 runs and 12 wickets, perfect sunny day.

We may well be behind on points so far but the game is progressing nicely towards a result.

Presuming we give them a lead of 100ish then its up to Yorks if they make a game of it.

If we could bowl them out by the close Thurseday we could have a perfect last day chasing 360ish.
If not i fear Yorks will bat until lunchtime Friday to put us out the game then the game SHOULD peter out.

If we can get 10 wickets tomorrow then it could be a cracking last day and yet another great game between the 2 sides, here's hoping...

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 20:44

There is too much to read when I have been out all day, so if this has already been said apologies.

What happen during the tea break? When Trescothick and Kieswetter resumed after tea they were not playing shots, it almost looked like they were just trying to survive. Somerset was in the 270’s for ages.

You knew eventually something would happen and it was Kieswetter who was the first to go and not long afterwards followed by Trescothick.

In saying that it was a good score by Marcus.



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Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 20:48

poor final session granted.

3 or 4 wickets by lunch tomorrow and it's still game on...

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 20:54

P.S.

Always let David Stiff bowl from the old pavilion end.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 21:02

Yep never again from the river end.

If his radar is on tomorrow and Caddy has blown away the cobwebs, if we can knock Rudolph over early i didnt see much to be scared of from the other 10...

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 21:41

I don't care how Yorks batted, we had several guys getting out to poor shots, when set, when they should have been supporting Tres.

If any of you feel happy sniping at me, then fine, but it won't cover up our failings. Some of youi just want to see the good and believe it all is.

Try being objective, like Grockle used to be.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 21:45

Photos from day two.

I would say it was David Stiff’s day with the bowling; he got his wickets with pace and bounce.

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/4650/spattersonctkieswetterb.jpg

S Patterson ct Kieswetter bld Stiff.

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9196/mhoggardctthomasbldstif.jpg

Mathew Hoggard ct Thomas bld Stiff.

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8229/jleecttrescothickbldsti.jpg

J Lee ct Trescothick bld Stiff.

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http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/7786/jameshildrethbldshahzad.jpg

Close your eyes James you will not want to see this.

Hildreth bld Shahzad.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 21:53

To give a balanced view.

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/1562/marcustrescothickcandbl.jpg

What ever shot Marcus was trying to play I don’t know.

It resulted in being c & b Lee.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 22:06

I certainly wasn't sniping at you, botham.
Just pointing out that Langer didn't get a start.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 22:09

Quote:
Botham
I don't care how Yorks batted, we had several guys getting out to poor shots, when set, when they should have been supporting Tres.
If any of you feel happy sniping at me, then fine, but it won't cover up our failings. Some of youi just want to see the good and believe it all is.

Try being objective, like Grockle used to be.

Botham, did somebody put something in your free coffee? That post of yours above certainly takes the free biscuit for loadedness, containing a direct snipe (your word) at our esteemed moderator and an indirect one at the rest of us by implication. I can't see any evidence of anyone sniping at you and I am not doing so now - I'm just being as objective as you loftily urge the rest of us to be.

Clearly it was not quite a perfect day and individual batsmen should probably have scored more than they did, though perhaps we could excuse Trescothick for getting out when he was a bit tired. Hildreth's innings sounds like a gem and provided significant momentum just when it was needed. Without commenting on the way he was out, I could say that if all the batsmen had scored half centuries at similar speed we would be very handily placed indeed.



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Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 22:17

Incidentally though; were you there in person to see these "poor shots"?

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 22:28

The club had to make an announcement today (because I expect they had people complaining there was nowhere to sit in the shade) to remove there bags off the seats so more people could sit in the Cow Shed.

Mr Gould was walking by at the time of the announcement and I shouted out “put a roof on the stands”. Do you think he will take any notice?

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 22:58

He won't need to, as before long every match will be played after dark.



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Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Tractor (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 23:04

Come on, Mike. There's the Stragglers Bar, The River Stand and The Ridley stand all of which offer shade / shelter. Oh ...

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Sloop John B (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 23:04

Great shot of Hilder's wicket Mike - better than his shot!!

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 23:10

his shot was rubbish!

i realyu like hildy but after 50 off 30 balls he realy should have settled down and played safely, a similar innings to Tres's from him and we'd be well on our way to their score now rather than 100 short, sure he'll learn...

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 23:16

How long since you have been Tractor?

I heard talk of where is Tractor today, you do get missed.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 23:27

For "several" read two?
Langer didn't get a start
I don't know what happenend to ZdB or Arul
BUT
Hilda played 20/20 cricket slog it seems and Marcus lobbing one back to Lee were certainly poor but Marcus had made a start I suppose.

Everyone else was out to fairly legitimate good play from the opposition.

Shazahd got CW - he'd worked at it for about 4 overs
Thomas went for a legitimate shot and was out to outstanding keeping from Bairstow
Trego was unlucky - low ball caught him in front
Caddy was beaten for pace by an excellent ball from Hoggard

Reading too much into those scorecards Both. Yorkshire did well, we didn't do badly because of stupidity in most cases. It was a shame some didn't go on but they were not out to poor shot selection how ever much you'd like it to be so to fit your own high sense of 'objectivity' that we should all strive to emulate.

Maybe my objectivity was hampered by actually seeing most of them who knows.....

God help me if I ever operated on your definition of 'objectivity'. Thank God I've seen the light and returned to good old 'opinion'!! :-)

In the words of WSM (getting a lot of use at the moment)

Sour and Grapes



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Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 06:41

I'm sure Mr Hurry will not have been pleased with that again.

He's been harping on about the batsmen's "responsibility," to make big scores of 400+ in the first innings and they have failed to do so yet again. We cannot have Championship pretensions if we keep dropping this number of batting points - not when we all know that we don't exactly have Wasim, Waqar and Mushy for our attack.

This is yet another match in which our unheralded attack have obtained better results, IMO, then our much-vaunted batting line-up.

Banger said on the other site that;

"We're really dissappointed to be nine down on that track."

I was very pleased to see Banger saying how he had been frustrated at getting out soon after reaching a ton on two occasions earlier this season and how he was determined to forge onto a really big score this time. The others need to start taking their cue from him and quickly.

Wes Durston must feel sick that he cannot get an opportunity despite repeated first innings CC failures by quite a number of the top six. Zander's had a brilliant one-day season, but his CC batting has been underwhelming. Langer's first-innings batting seems to be consistently underwhelming. Arul is still fighting to estabish himself.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 06:44

"Shazahd got CW - he'd worked at it for about 4 overs ."

Grockle - were you impressed with Shazad in general? He, apparently, bowled well in Leeds and has been approached by Worcs along with Hoggard.

Does he look a young bowler that it might be worth our picking up, in your opinion?

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 06:48

Mike - truly BRILLIANT photography.

A clear cut above - in my view - much of what appears in the 'professional,' press.

Thank you very much.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 07:00

Yes AG. He clearly had a plan while Rafiq held the ground at the OP end.

He started rather wide with the batsmen not having to play but worked tirelessly on the ball until he got it to move in, he changed angles to keep both batsmen wondering and

Craig's wicket was pure setting the man up then changing line and length and getting one to come in to him.

Impressed with young Rafiq as well who had both batsmen wondering all through his session.



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Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 07:05

Thanks, Grockle.

Interested to hear about Rafiq too. He sounds like one of the more exciting finger-spinning prospects to have emerged in this country for some while. The Yorks radio guys certainly seemed excited about his performance vs Worcs.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Sloop John B (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 09:46

Shazhad looked to be the best bowler on show. He has a very good bouncer and, as Grockle says, he worked out the batsmen and showed great joy when getting Craig.

He would be worth a punt in my view.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 10:11

Shahzad was born in Huddersfield and in 2006 became the first British-born Asian to play for Yorkshire - previously a hugely contentious issue for the county.

Even if he is out of contract at the end of the season, I can see them battling tooth and nail to hold on to him. And if we do want to attract him to Taunton, let`s do him the courtesy of spelling his name correctly.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 10:44

I've just watched the YouTube highlights of the first two days and (with the caveat that the quality is dreadful!) it would appear that only James' shot was truly reckless.
Both Zander and Tres appeared to check their shots and would probably have been ok had they gone through with them - would anyone who was there confirm that? Tres can, of course be forgiven for a tired shot after batting for 4 and a half hours in that heat!
Langer's ball may well have pitched outside leg stump, and BoBo couldn't have done much with his dismissal.

From the day one package, Caddy didn't appear top have got his length right yet. Would that be fair?



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Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 10:53

When Caddy made his comeback last year, his length became progressively better with increased exposure, which is another way of saying it wasn't quite right to start with.

I saw him against SA and his length got better as the day went along, but was still not perfect. Then I saw him again at Horsham where I thought he bowled splendidly a couple of games later. He was spot on that day.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 10:56

Weather report, pretty please, from anyone in the vicinity?

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 10:59

Commentary is on, AG.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 11:06

Thanks, FE. That must mean play.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 11:08

Yes. Charl gone for no further addition. 5-fer for Hoggy.
I think that suggests he can bowl on the graveyard!

Except that he will, of course, have been given his wickets by the ineptitude and recklessness of our batsmen.



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Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 11:13

Those on the ground seem to think Shahzad was the most impressive bowler, though, which is a compliment indeed to him.

Need to get Rudolph early and put the rest under pressure to have any realistic hope of winning this one.

Tres tried to come out with some comment about 'Hildreth's innings will leave Yorks with no idea of what kind of target to leave us,' which I thought was rather over-stating the case, to say the least. If he'd made 150 at a run-a-ball instead of 50 then maybe!

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 11:15

I didn't think that AG.
It was a bit of kidology, maybe; but no harm in that!

I've lost the commentary feed now!!!!

GGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 11:20

GET IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rudolph ct. Trescothick b. Willoughby 0.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 11:28

I too have lost the Somerset commentary and before that it kept looping back to the start of play; one doesn't immediately notice but then the words begin to sound too familiar. I missed Rudolf's dismissal and feel very cheated,



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Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 11:32

Magical news, FE, thanks muchly!!!

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 11:42

FE: I've just had a note from your management instructing you to spend between now and 3.00 driving from A - Z via B, C etc. Get motoring young man.



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Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 11:48

Time for another one. A A McGrath, preferably.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 11:58

I shall, as it happens, be taking to the wheel just as the players return from their lunch, and will be in and out of the car for the rest of the afternoon!

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 12:02

Stiff and Caddick to take over soon after some superb bowling by Willoughby and Thomas.

I lost my Yorkshire link and so tried the Somerset one again. Glory be: it's working.



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Sixty-two Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 12:03

Cheers, LoL; for me too!

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 12:05

One over too many for Thomas in this spell?

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 12:06

Let's hope the two big men can keep the pressure on.

Personally, I'd be inclined to try at least one or two overs of Pete at first change, assuming that it's swinging. If Pete was first change, that should wind Caddy up a treat, too.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 12:06

It's the cricketing equivalent of the Peter Principle.



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Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 12:23

Time for BoBo now!

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 12:27

McGrath looks like he's threatening to take things away from us.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 12:37

No longer! Well done Willo.
Two more before luinch and then the car will do the rest! winking smiley

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 12:37

Wello done AGod: you (and Willoughby) have to be credited with that one.

Two more by lunch, please.



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Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 12:46

Thanks guys, pleased with the hex!

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 12:51

A R Caddick - 4-3-1-0.

I'm sure the big man won't be happy with the final column but..

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 12:55

Especially after Hildreth drops a "sitter" off him!

And Langer spills one of Suppiah's first ball.

Not encouraging.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 13:07

Get in that blxxdy car!

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Ronnie sabre (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 13:08

What is going on here? First we bowl badly and our batsmen give it away and now we are dropping catches. It no wonder Yorkshire are so far in front. This is a very poor performance from a team in 3rd place meant to be chasing.

Matbe the final innings will change this around? Something has to.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 13:22

Shock horror, cricketers drop catches

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 13:41

Good luck all.
I'm heading for the motor!

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 14:03

The overall impression given by the performance in this match is one of, possibly, a distracted team. One or two loose shots in our first dig. And certainly a number of people getting in and then being dismissed without pushing on.

And now dropping easy catches.

I hope these players are not thinking of the T20 QF at Old Trafford already. It would be very annoying if that was the problem.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 14:29

i'm sure they are, probably dreaming of end of season party too

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 14:30

I cannot think of anything less likely, AGod. These are professionals, whose main focus is certain to be on the main competition.



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Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 14:33

Well, in my professional life, my mind has often wandered to other things.

Perhaps nobody else has ever experienced that..

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 14:34

When did the match start?



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Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 14:37

Quote:
AGod
Well, in my professional life, my mind has often wandered to other things.

Some of us had noticed that...



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Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 14:40

BJtongue sticking out smileylay started on time today and I don't think a minute has been lost.

I don't know what happened to that storm on its way from Devon.



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Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 14:44

The main competition! A wonder which one that is.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 14:50

I wish to apologise that for some reason unknown to me one of those appalling little emoticons appeared in my most recent posting. That is the first time it has ever happened and it if ever happens again I shall announce resignation from the site forthwith (to take up a more lucrative career in the media).



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Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 14:53

It looks like it could rain heavily very soon on the coast,though it has done for a while.
Good game in progress,let's hope it's not ruined by the weather.(Sm25)



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Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 14:57

Agreed, BJ, especially whn we are justr on the brink of winning. In fact the rain is just starting at Taunton.

Has FE had a puncture?



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Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Ronnie sabre (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 15:06

Hopefully he management will admit theyve gt the team selection wrong. Why is Suppiah bowling so many overs when Siff and De Bruyn haven't bowled at all, and Thomas hasn'tbowled since lunch. Should have played a spinner here.

Must admit pretty disppointing performance especially when Notts and Durham are going to win.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 15:18

In fact..........we've never been in the game at all.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 15:29

No puncture. But no catalytic effect from the new (at least new to me) car, I'm afraid!
Looks like the players will just have to dig themselves out of this one without my automotive assistance.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 15:30

They may may that by picking Suppiah that they ARE playing a spinner - but he has not really proved himself in this role or as Trescothick's opening partner.

But we've just taken a wicket and a collapse is imminent (and SISUO still lives).



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Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 15:32

That's alright Ronnie, as the CC no longer has much importance in the grand scheme of things. The modern cricket watcher demands faster action and innovation, so we are all concentrating our minds on next seasons grand 20/20 league.

The CC matches are designed to offer some match practice and study of tactics in slow motion and without pressure.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 15:36

How lucky we are to have in our midst someone so profoundly in tune with a game that intelligent and passionate people have loved in its present format for at least a century and a half and so gifted in the subtlest form of satire.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 15:40

FE: can'y you get your old car back and pop off to Cape Town?



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Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 15:47

I still have it - but Mrs. E drives it now.
I may have to reconsider the arrangement!

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 15:47

And no...................I'm not sending her off to Cape Town!!!!!

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 15:51

Raining here and very dark.
We've got them on the ropes in my opinion.



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Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 15:55

You're going to have to fetch the old one back, FE!

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 15:57

Quote:
Loyal of Lhasa.
How lucky we are to have in our midst someone so profoundly in tune with a game that intelligent and passionate people have loved in its present format for at least a century and a half and so gifted in the subtlest form of satire.

That's an awfully long sentence. Any chance of an abbreviation?

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 16:16

Well, Botham's satire notwithstanding, I can't really see a reason for anyone to be so sure that all of the XI that we have out there today consider the CC to be the greatest prize?

Even if they DO consider it to be the greatest prize, then the chances are that some of them may not see it as the most easily attainable one. Some of them may see the T20 as more attainable. That might particularly be the case because many of them will remember that SCCC recently won it. That might be one reason for some of them to be thinking of Manchester.

Of course, it might also be the case that this performance has been less than tip-top partly because the guys were playing T20 and have to adjust again to the rhythm of the longer format. However, they did not seem to have so much of a problem with that after the first tranche of T20.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 16:24

re: LoL's comments about Suppiah and what the powers-that-be might say in terms of 'we did pick a spinner,';


What confuses me is this;

If you watch Arul bowl, he basically bowls flattish darts a la Michael Yardy.

In theory, they should be better suited to the short stuff than CC cricket.

Yet Langer seldom shows a vast amount of faith in Arul in one-day cricket. And, yet, here he is bowling 19 overs in a CC innings. I guess one might surmise that there must be quite a bit of turn out there today?

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 16:34

Quote:
Of course, it might also be the case that this performance has been less than tip-top partly because the guys were playing T20 and have to adjust again to the rhythm of the longer format.

Perhaps, heretical though it may be to suggest it, Yorkshire have simply played better than we have!

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 16:49

We're down to those ferrets again.
Get rid of this lot in a hurry and we can win this.



Trego for England

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 16:53

"Perhaps, heretical though it may be to suggest it, Yorkshire have simply played better than we have!"

Yes, but not at all sure that they can claim credit for us dropping catches?

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 16:58

We are the supporters. We want it. They don't want to provide it then we'll ask for their replacement. The English game lives or dies on maintaining all formats. If T20 becomes the only format, innovation (please expand on what that innovation is meastro) or no innovation the game of cricket dies and becomes a meaningless and not particular colourful version of baseball (keep the Americans happy I suppose).

Wonderfully objective assessment Botham - based on what facts is your suggested majority support for 20/20? please enlighten us all.



(Sm72)

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 17:01

I would guess he's basing it on gate receipts?

What would be interesting to know is if Cricinfo would release page hit figures for CC games vs T20 ones as that might be a better baromater as to what cricket fans are actually most interested in.

We all know that T20 is going to have higher gates than CC because folks have to work during the day - hence really poor CC attendances.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 17:06

Do we think they'll declare at 400 lead?

That's what I would do if I were McGrath

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 17:16

Who said they'll get a 400 lead? I'm bringing old BJ on from the young pavilion end.



LoL

Sixty-two Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 17:20

If they declare leaving us 400 this is in the bag.



Trego for England

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 17:23

Most of the crowds who come to the odd T20 are not what could be called 'supporters' of the game AG. T20 members against Championship ones perhaps?

Solid support is NOT for T20. They'll watch it but they don't pay three figures to watch it. IT is the extra format in relation to athe game as a whole and was initially designed to offer fielding practice to sides in it's earliest format.



(Sm72)

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 18:41

Let's have a pole!

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Streeter (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 19:23

Feel like dancing Grockle ??!!

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Streeter (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 19:25

OOps.........I just had a senior moment and thought that was G's post, I mean Botham

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 19:42

We had a poll when he made these claims on the basis of nothing last year. He tried to set up his own - it failed. I put it on the side bar - it failed.

Not going to do it again. It has been done. Leave the gentleman playing his record over and over and turn the page to another story.

We seem to have given them the last 50-ish runs for some reason this evening. Do we want them to declare overnight perhaps?



(Sm72)



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Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 20:33

Arul Suppiah bowled a lot of overs today was i guess because we were behind on the over rate for the match.

The over rate ended-up even at the end of play.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 20:33

I thought that Yorks would declare and have about 30 mins at us before close but it appears they are not interested in getting a result.No wonder they don't win many.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 20:46

Or it might have been Langer was feeling guilty after dropping a sitter off his first ball so gave him every chance to get a wicket.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 21:20

My thoughts exactly, BR. Arul was very unlucky not to get that wicket.



LoL

Sixty-two Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 21:32

I maybe old but I have no record player. I'm up with the technophobes and have a cassette player.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 21:39

Day 3 photos.

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This is three of Willoughby’s shots from the second over.

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This shows he can bowl better than he can bat.

A McGrath bld Willoughby

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Here is that dropped catch.

This was A Lyth dropped by Langer off Suppiah, it looks like it was quite a low ball to catch. (No judgment)

Ignore those extra lines under photo I don’t know it got there.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 21:56

"Or it might have been Langer was feeling guilty after dropping a sitter off his first ball so gave him every chance to get a wicket.
"

Really? I think FE said that Hildreth dropped a sitter, too.

Can someone confirm that this was two different sitters, both dropped, as opposed to some random confusion on the part of commentators as to who dropped one catch?

Although I was out of the country at the time, I gather the catching at home to the other North East county was also abysmal?

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 21:59

Sadly there WERE two, seemingly easy, catches dropped just before lunch today, one by Hildreth and one by Langer.

It must be all those flashes from Mike's instamatic.



LoL

Sixty-two Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 22:05

Within the space of about three balls!

Oddly enough, LoL, play was mometarily held up (as I think Grockle will confirm) when there appeared to be reflection from a camera lens distracting a batsman.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 22:07

Mike is quite brilliant, quite frankly.

I don't know if it's the case that he is simply more skilled than the professionals, or if extra time/patience is the relevant differentiator (new word that I just made up) which separates him from the pros?

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 22:09

It's a long time since I have been called a flasher.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 22:13

If I were Hildy or JL, I strongly suspect that I'd spill everything if you dropped everything in my line of vision.

p.s FE if a camera flash was in the batsman's line of vision, could be in the line of vision of the slips too? Assuming that that is where both went down?

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 22:16

Hildreth's was in the gully, I think.
I wasn't seriously suggesting camera flash had anything to do with either.
It would have to be some flash to have affected Langer's vision when taking the photo above!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 22:22

I thought about making this a quiz.

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This was A Lyth hitting a six

Who do you think dropped the catch in the crowd?

Answer : Andre van Troost father was watching the match and he dropped the ball

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 22:27

If he wasn't watching the tennis, I'd say that Tractor's apple juice dropped the catch in question.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 23:15

Mr Hurry says that three catches went down in the morning session.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 23:56

Sorry Mike. I've just deleted your last message by mistake.

It was about the third catch which Craig fumbled AG.

Many Apologies



(Sm72)

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: VictheFish (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 02:07

Have to say Mike BOS,

Your photos are simply stunning and I really appreciate them.

Thank you,

VtF.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 05:33

Echo Vtf's comments Mike - you are a Pro !

Grizzzly

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 07:20

He's a nice chap, as well.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 08:00

You naughty man Grockle.

I couldn’t add much anyway, all I remember it was a missed chance but couldn’t remember the details.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 10:23

Perhaps Grockle has found additional work as Craig's agent - with a brief to get him straight into the England team!!?

Only joking, of course.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 10:25

I think I might have made a bit of money if that had happened



(Sm72)

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 10:29

Well, you would do next season!

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 11:07

No score movement on Cricnfo - is it raining? Have Yorks declared?

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 11:10

Maybe Taunton has, finally, killed cricket?

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 11:13

I think Yorkshire may be killing cricket!

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 11:14

Now it's moved - I'm very surprised they haven't declared.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 11:15

Commentary feed is working but silent, so I suspect play has not resumed.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 11:16

Although CricInfo has leapt to 349 for 5 to make a liar of me.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 11:19

Yorkshire are clearly content with a max point draw.
Preservation in the top flight rather than challenging for honours, would appear their objective.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 11:24

Although they have now declared 475 runs ahead: how very bold!

And the commentary feed is now broken!

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 11:27

5 overs or thereabouts bowled this morning, 2 for the changeover: is that 92/3 left?

476/93 = 5.11

Should we even think about it?

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Wickham (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 11:29

I can only assume that Yorkshire thought that there was some prospect of Somerset scoring 470 runs in the time available. Perhaps they are possessors of SIUSO.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 11:34

It was because Hildreth's innings sowed some doubts, Wickham.
Marcus said so!

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Sloop John B (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 11:35

A pretty cowardly declaration IMO

Were we really likely to score 450 in the last day to win?

Highly unlikely - and now we may possibly shut up shop quite early.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 12:04

I have instructed BJ to eat his own scrum cap if Yorkshire break their record non-winning sequence today.



LoL

Sixty-two Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 12:11

"Now it's moved - I'm very surprised they haven't declared"

Mr Hurry was borderline scathing of Yorks' approach on the other site. He said we would have declared, before the close, yesterday.

I can only assume that Yorks are hoping for suffocating humidity. In those conditions, it's possible that Hoggy could run through us, I guess?

If it isn't swinging everywhere, though, it would have to be a really, really bad peformance to get shot out in two sessions.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 12:14

I wonder if the difference in scoring rates between our openers is suggestive of a very attacking field for Arul and a more cautious (fearful?) one for Banger?

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 12:21

Duram have won on their cabbage patch.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 12:23

Again, have seen nothing in the media to support such a description. Not this season, anyway.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 12:24

And even if it were a cabbage patch, it's the same for both sides.

Well done, Durham.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 12:36

My point is (and I've done no FE-like statistical analysis!) it can't be a good track because both home and away teams are struggling consistently to make decent scores there. I'm not saying no-one can score runs there, nor that we want to see teams easily totting up huge scores, just that 200 regularly seems a good score there.

I know Durham's seam/pace attack is very good, no argument there, and they have 6 or 7 good bowlers to rotate. I just feel they get an unfair advantage by playing half their games on a "results pitch", and that no-one (press or ECcool smiley seems bothered about that.

Edited to try to remove inadvertent smiley.



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Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 12:40

I've done no FE-like statistical analysis on this either, SP; but it will surprise no-one that I agree with you completely.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 12:52

(Sm13) Surely you have some free time for some Friday-afternoon analysis, FE? I'm sure AG would love me to be proven wrong!

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 12:56

"I know Durham's seam/pace attack is very good, no argument there, and they have 6 or 7 good bowlers to rotate. I just feel they get an unfair advantage by playing half their games on a "results pitch", and that no-one (press or EC seems bothered about that."

"it can't be a good track because both home and away teams are struggling consistently to make decent scores there."

If swing is the primary factor then that would say nothing about the quality, or otherwise, of the track?

If it's fast and bouncy, then that is not something that would automatically be classed as 'poor,' on ECB pitch rankings or anything like that.

I seem to remember that we easily exceeded 200 when we played there last season?

I'm simply not buying some kind of media conspiracy of silence (with the complicity of the ECB pitch inspectors and umpires) to get Durham off the hook for dodgy pitches. If the ball was grubbing along the floor or exploding off a length or turning square, then I'm certain that I would have read about it. And - this season - I've seen nothing of the sort.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 13:04

What a superb start by Trescothick and Suppiah. I hope that rain is not now going to rob us of certain victory - if only DL applied and it did start to rain, we'd be home and wet by now.



LoL

Sixty-two Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 13:05

With respect, AG, you appear to have not read about the proposals for four day Tests until you did so here. winking smiley

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 13:06

Sorry, AG, you're putting words into my mouth.

I'm not saying it should be classed as poor by the ECB, nor that scores over 200 don't happen there, nor that there is any press and/or ECB conspiracy.

I am saying that run-scoring seems very hard there (facing the home or the away bowlers), that I suspect (with no first-hand knowledge) that the pitches aren't very good, and that nobody in the press or ECB seems bothered or to have noticed...and that this gives Durham an unfair advantage in the County Championship.

PS Capital B followed by a closed bracket seems to become a smiley despite my best efforts!

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 13:11

This would be so much better if there were some scantily clad dancing girls strutting their stuff and a mascot race commentated on by a manically laughing David Lloyd.

"Ee by gum,start the car.There goes Lanky and by eck e's fallen over.I think I'm goin to wet meeself"

Now that's what you call cricket.

Boom Boom Pow.



Trego for England

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 13:11

Add an axtra space. It's clumsy, but it works!

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 13:13

Yes, that's a great start. I can't believe 5+ per over for the whole day is really on, even at Taunton today.

Maybe Arul's been reading this forum about Mr Edwards?

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 13:14

"With respect, AG, you appear to have not read about the proposals for four day Tests until you did so here."

But the point is, FE, I DO read all the match reports every day from the County games. Always in the Times and, when they exist, in the Guardian!

I don't read the financial op-ed page but I wouldn't expect commentary on the Durham pitch to appear there!

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 13:15

He certainly seems to have got the bit between his teeth today.
so; 175 a session for two sessions: I don't know why, but that sounds so much more acheivable than 5 an over for the rest of the day.
Tactics, think tank? Go for it after lunch with plan A being another 200 for no more than two down at tea?

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 13:16

"nobody in the press or ECB seems bothered or to have noticed...and that this gives Durham an unfair advantage in the County Championship."

er.... If you are not implying that you want the Durham pitches to be marked down, then what DO you want to see from the ECB by way of a sign that "They are bothered or have taken notice."

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 13:17

Fair enough, AG.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 13:20

Incidentally, the fact that Durham have accrued more CC batting points than anyone else would tend to imply, SP, that Durham will win plenty of matches away from home, too. Time will tell on that one, I guess.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 13:23

I'd like to see / hear some media criticism (as we have heard about the Taunton pitch from the other point of view, ie too batter friendly), and some indication from the ECB that Chester-le-Street's scores have been noted by them, with a view to some future help/punishment if things don't improve.

As I say, I'm prepared to admit I may be totally wrong; that C-l-S is as flat as Taunton, the Oval or anywhere else, and that it's just Durham's superior seam bowling resources plus their opponents' bowlers upping their game in the North East that produces low-scoring games.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 13:35

The weather has to be a consideration too. We all know that some games can be affected by weather conditions. C-L-S will surely have less good weather than places like Lord's, the Oval, Hove etc etc in most years. It will also tend to be cooler, which may be a relative aid to bowler's stamina, if not the fingers of the slips.

I'm certainly not suggesting that their pitch is as flat as Taunton. But, then again, if we had some magical powers of control over our TA1 soil and its behaviour would we actively seek out a track that is quite this good for batting?

Incidentally, I read an odd comment about pitches and their behaviour from Nasser Hussain today.

He said that the Lord's pitches are 'much faster this year because they've had more natural rain as opposed to artificial watering.'

I had no idea that that dichotomy would have an effect? Has anyone else heard of that?

Does it suggest that Mr Frost should start pumping silver iodide into the air around TA1?

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: everhopefull (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 13:42

Quote:
AGOD said
Incidentally, I read an odd comment about pitches and their behaviour from Nasser Hussain today.
He said that the Lord's pitches are 'much faster this year because they've had more natural rain as opposed to artificial watering.'


Natural rain has the same effect on my garden vegetables, however much you water them nothing like a good rainfall.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 13:43

Right: here goes.
By my (possibly flawed) reckoning, in 2009 Durham have passed 300 at home in three of their seven CC innings.
No opponent (in four matches) has yet passed 300 at C-l-S.
Durham have passed 300 away on three out of five occasions, and on another declared on 299 for 4.
Their opponents in these three matches have registered 300 twice.

In total, at home they have scored 1738 runs for 60 wickets (@ 28.97) and conceded 1289 for 77 (@ 16.74)
Away the totals are 1677 runs for, for 34 wickets down (@ 49.32) and 1539 runs against, for 50 wickets (@ 30.78).

I think we have to concede that these numbers suggest they are a team well-equipped to win both at home and away.
I still support SP's suggestion (I think that it's his suggestion anyway!) that games which end too early are as bad for cricket as games which are draws from day 2.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 13:49

Certainly 49-30 represents a larger differential than 29-16.

Percentage wise, though, I'd guess things would be much closer, though can't be bothered to work it out.

My position on pitches is simply that any pitch which either;

a) produces conditions which lead to a continually disproportionate advantage being dervied from the toss

or

b) mean that very average bowlers can consistently take hatfuls of wickets

are not good for cricket.

I don't think that C-L-S ticks either of those boxes for me.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 14:00

I miss my vegetable garden,Eh.
One of life's great pleasures is growing your own vegetables,going into the garden to harvest them and then cooking them straight away.
The taste is so unlike all this bought nonsense.
All this talk of cabbage patches has made me all nostalgic.
My sprouts were never good though.
Bit of a brassica phobia I had.



Trego for England

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 14:00

I think it's bordering on ticking the second box for me, AG, insofar as I don't personally rate Liam Plunkett or Callum Thorpe (for example) as anything more than "above-average".

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 14:02

Fern Britton's Brassica?

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 14:09

Yes, we're at slightly crossed-purposes in that I was using 'very average,' as a euphamism for really not very good.

In Plunkett's case, this was his first game of the season, I think, and Worcs were minus three key batsmen. I think Durham would have beaten this Worcs side on almost any pitch in the world.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 14:13

I'm not denying Durham are a good team with astrong bowling attack. I'd say the differentials between their batsmen socring home v away (29 v 49) and that of their opponents (17 v 31) indicate some support to my theory - as does the apparent average home 10-wkt score in their games of around 230 vs away games of around 400.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 14:16

Sure, it shows run-scoring has been more difficult at home than away from home. But I think it implies that it is very unlikely that - by season's end - anyone here will be able to say that Durham have won the CC "Because they play on result pitches at home,' i.e. they'll win lots away as well.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 14:16

Oh my giddy Aunt,you've just reminded me of the Telegraph league.
Sorry,too much on my mind.



Trego for England

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 14:41

Is anyone able to hear today's commentary?

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 14:53

I'm about to head to the ground to go into the shed. Is there a problem with the commentary?



(Sm72)

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 14:53

I've tried a few times without success. The men from Leeds are doing a good job.

They're talking at the moment about the naming of the various stands and hinting at the possible offence of leaving certain names out. They mentioned Hutton and Truman and other Yorkshire greats, all dead of course, as should be, in my opinion, the eponymous heroes of any stand or other edifice at the County Ground.

Have I said that before? Yes, but in fewer words; I'm only trying to wind Botham up.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 14:56

So there is no ball by ball from the ground n the net other than Radio Leeds LoL. Is that what you are saying?



(Sm72)

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 15:07

Yes Grockle: Radio Leeds is working but the Somerset link has not worked all day.

Botham: if I wind you up, you have every right to reciprocate and I shall enjoy it.



LoL

Sixty-two Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 15:09

Are we to be robbed of certain victory by the rain?



LoL

Sixty-two Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 15:10

Well done to Arul Suppiah. I don't care about the hex I'm going to say it anyway. Hopefully, he will derive increased confidence and push on from here in forthcoming games.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 15:11

Sorry, I forgot to congratulate Suppiah on his century - and he's just hit a very big six.



LoL

Sixty-two Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Kingston Black (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 15:20

Yes Grockle, no commentary available today apart from BBC Radio Leeds. In fact, I think your commentary is there, but at very low volume, so it's lost in background hum on my system.

KB

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 15:24

Yes; I've got you now, but at a vanishingly low volume level.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Wickham (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 15:32

I add my congratulations to Arul Suppiah on what has - according to Radio Leeds commentators - been an excellent, career-best innings. As AGod has said, this may well give him the confidence to kick on from here (as, I think, JL put it in a recent newspaper interview).

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 15:35

And that's done 'im.
Bizarre decision to send Stiff in at three!

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 15:35

Well done, Arul. Time to shut up shop, me thinks.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 15:37

Quote:
Botham
Well done, Arul. Time to shut up shop, me thinks.

Good lord, no! Give it some 'umpty.
And clearly that's what Langer thinks, too!

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Congar (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 15:44

As one of those suggesting it was time for Arul to give way for Neil, I am delighted with his personal best 131 today. Well played.

A very quick 50 from Stiff now and we might be in with a shout. At least JL is trying to keep the game open.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 15:46

219 off around 35 overs - possible, but difficult...I'm surprised JL didn't go for, say, Trego or CK to get a move on.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 15:50

Could be a master-stroke. If either Craig or Pete had been lost before tea, it might have been a heavy confidence blow.
As Congar says, a quick 50 (or even 20 or 30 provided it's quick) from Stiff and this is still game on for another hour at least.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 16:05

Can only echo Congar's comments above. I have also been looking for NE to replace Arul, but you certainly can't argue with today's performance. Congrats to him.

Dare we start thinking about winning ?............

Grizzzly

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 16:06

Start Grizzzly? I've been thinking about it all day!

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 16:07

Who could argue with today's performance, but Edwards still deserves consideration. Maybe he's first reserve.

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 16:10

Quote:
Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Ronnie sabre (IP Logged)
Date: 02 July, 2009 14:06

.................

Must admit pretty disppointing performance especially when Notts and Durham are going to win.

If they can take 8 wickets in a session, good luck to them.

And I'll ask you for your lottery numbers for tomorrow, if your prescience is that good!

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 16:17

Can anyone confirm the theoretical minimum number of overs we have available?

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 16:17

Murray will simply have to wait!



LoL

Sixty-two Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: Back to the BIG stuff
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 16:18

Tbf, it did look this time yesterday that Notts would win - they've lost most of today to rain.

Both, I think NE is, and has been since the season started, first reserve top-order bat.

I've stayed out of this until now, but I do find it odd that both NE and Wes really haven't had a look in in the CC. I'll be very disappointed if either, let alone both, leave - they are our first two reserve batters, I believe, and broken fingers and the like DO happen - let alone loss of form. Also, JL has had a tendency to play one extra bowler and one fewer batsman - very Australian - if we fall out of the title race with 3 or 4 games left and start looking for draws to avoid relegation (a la Kent 2008), we may start including an extra batter in place of, say, the 4th seamer, and Wes or NE must come into play then.