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T20 the Quarter Final!! Somerset Bowled Over

Dead Eye Thomas
By Grockle
July 31 2009
A rained off Tuesday T20 QF against Lancashire led to an attempt to play the game on the reserve day. But there was a dispensation for a game on Thursday morning which put off the evening game (when something competitive might have happened as it turned out). The counties gambled and the weather beat them and then........

v Lancashire T20 QF @ Old Trafford Tuesday - Thursday 28th to 30th July 2009

A large crowd on Tuesday came to see the 'Mighty Lancashire' at 'Fortress Old Trafford' destroy the Somerset upstarts on their way to the Finals that they were 'hot favourites' for.

They met this;

Old Trafford 1

With lots of this kind of work 

Groundstaff tend to the wicket as rain stops play during the Twenty20 quarter final at Old Trafford,

But to no avail and the game does not happen on Tuesday

Groundstaff tend to the wicket as rain stops play during the Twenty20 quarter final at Old Trafford,

And by Wednesday

A view of the waterlogged pitch during the Twenty20 Cup Quarter Final match at Old Trafford Cricket

It's a fight between the elements and the groundstaff

Groundstaff work on the pitch at Old Trafford as Lancashires Mal Loye heads to the Indoor Cricket ce 

And everything suggests that....

Groundstaff work on the pitch at Old Trafford during the Twenty20 Cup Quarter Final match at Old Tra

The elements are ging to win despite a valiant defence.

So.... We get to Thursday and this.....

Somersets Alfonso Thomas bowls in the bowl off during the Twenty20 Cup Quarter Final match at Old Tr

Alfonso Thomas in a 10 ball, 5 man 'Bowl Out' to decide which side goes through to the Finals on 15 August.

Somerset Alfonso Thomas celebrates taking 2 wickets against Lancashire in a bowl off during the Twen

He hits TWICE and we are in the lead..... we never lose that position and....

Somerset celebrate beating Lancashire in their Twenty20 Cup quarter Final Bowl Off Old Trafford Cric

These five men put us into the Semi Final against Kent.  Alfonso Thomas, Ben Phillips, Peter Trego, Omari Banks and Charl Willoughby by beating Lancashire 5 - 1

Somerset celebrate beating Lancashire in their Twenty20 Cup quarter Final Bowl Off Old Trafford Cric

After 2 and a half days of waiting they all seem very pleased that this is the way it ended

Lancashires manager Peter Moores after being beaten in a bowl off during the Twenty20 Cup Quarter Fi

Peter Moores does not seem as happy and you have to feel for him and his team.  Not a great way to go out but we go to Edgbaston and Lancs have to look elsewhere for their trophies this year.

Hope you enjoyed this little pictorial story.

Let's hope it doesn't end half way through the 15th of August in Birmingham 

 

 

 

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T20 the Quarter Final!! Somerset Bowled Over
Posted by: Grockles.com (IP Logged)
Date: 31/07/2009 21:08

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T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 27/07/2009 18:45

Watching the Durham v Kent game (not a great night for IDB with the bat - run out for 0 - decent figures with the ball though) and thinking back to being saved by the rain after being mauled by Notts with the bat. Do we need a real think about the make-up if tmorrow night's side.

Especially taking into account our awful performances in front of the cameras this year?

Marcus, Craig, Peter, Alfonso Charl, Arul, Zander

make the side for me and then.....

Who are the other 5 (well 4 because one other place is taken I suppose although I'm not ttally sure myself).



(Sm72)



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Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 27/07/2009 19:40

Side will be...

MT, JL, ZB, JH, CK, PT, AS, BP, AT, OB or MW, CW.

Only choice appears to be between Max and Omari, assume Max if he's fit, Omari if not.

JL will open again i imagine. Sell out at Old Trafford apparently too

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
Date: 27/07/2009 19:43

Brian Rose has said that "it will probably come down to a straight choice between Max Waller and Omari Banks", depending on whether the former is ready after several weeks on the sidelines.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 27/07/2009 19:44

What's happening tomorow?

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 27/07/2009 20:18

Max has a rep in this year's competition. If he can't play it ught t be Wes. Arul is a better spinner than he was because he's had time in the middle. As you say Omari is rusty and Wes is a better batsman and fielder in these short games.

Also surprised they didn't consider Andy - simply because he has less pace than he did and a bowler's brain. But Ben is a good idea if you're not gonna gamble. Glad to see Turner and Stiff not considered.... Pace and T20 do not mix that well.

It's the T20 Quarter Final BR...keep up



(Sm72)

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 27/07/2009 20:24

Dont think Caddy has any interest in 20-20 somehow.

Guessing Max will play otherwise cant see point in him being in the squad, if he's not fit today unlikely to be tomorrow?

Assume ticket details for finals day will be out tomorrow evening......?

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 27/07/2009 20:30

What is T20? Something new?

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 27/07/2009 20:58

Rob it is that game that has stopped us watching cricket this year.

Are the flats all sold since I was last there.

I know of one flat that is sold, a chap sat behind me on the last match said he had bought one on the third floor.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 27/07/2009 21:07

You mean Jim's favourite!

They won't let me have an apartment(not flat,that's too common)'cos I'm too young.I did offer to pay cash!

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 27/07/2009 21:16

Caddick has never been a proper option in the short game. He wasn't always a bonus in the 40 over stuff.

Just thought, now he's lost some of his pace and because we had dodgy bowlers they might have considered him. But if Ben is fit then he's a better option... I hope. As I said above, T20 isn't for pace bowlers



(Sm72)

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 27/07/2009 21:16

kent and sussex appear to be 2 of our oppenents at finals day

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 27/07/2009 21:20

Yep Durham fell apart after keeping Kent down to just over 150 and Sussex blew the Bears out for about 120. Durham only managed 93

Lancashire got the usual big sell for tomorrow night from Colville (is this man ever worth listening to?). It seems that Langer and his men will have their wrk cut out against the mighty Lancashire who have put all comers to the sword in this competition. While we of course have beaten no-one and don't really deserve to take the same field as the Great Red Rose.

Let's hope its a repeat of the last time SKY commentators treated us like the 'plucky provincials' up from the fields for a day out with the big boys. That was the 2005 Finals and Lancashire did not take the cup with their name on it home with them!!



(Sm72)



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Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 27/07/2009 21:34

I'd take our top 7 over theirs any day, far stronger.

If our bowlers show up then we'll be more than a match

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 27/07/2009 21:37

Lancashire captain Glen Chapple misses the match with a stress fracture of the foot.

The side will be captained by Mark Chilton, who interestingly was in charge when we beat Lancs in the 20/20 final at The Oval. On that occasion he elected to bat in very damp conditions totally favourable to bowlers and brilliantly exploited by Caddy and Richard Johnson.

The Lancashire 12-man squad is: Horton, Smith, Laxman, Du Plessis, Croft, Chilton, Cross, Hogg, Mahmood, Parry, Keedy, Newby. Three spinner then: Keedy, Parry, and Du Plessis.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 27/07/2009 21:59

doesnt look scary to me at all, i'd say we have more big names on paper than they do?

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 27/07/2009 22:23

I didn't realise this was still going on.
We'll stuff them.

What day does the CC match start?



Trego for England

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 27/07/2009 22:45

Friday



(Sm72)

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 27/07/2009 22:55

Thank you kind Sir.
Weather permitting I'll be meeting my Grandfather there.
That's if he gets back from his latest mission safely.



Trego for England

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 28/07/2009 06:37

Enjoy your day, Jim. Hope the weather is good.

LotsofLove to your grandfather.

Laughing out Loud.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 28/07/2009 08:07

Who would that be Jim, Rob or LoL?

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 28/07/2009 08:41

Not me. I'm too young.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 28/07/2009 10:06

Thank you,Bobs,who also got his identity right.
It is of course.
A secret.

Too young you say,Rob?
Maybe,maybe.
Talking of which,where is and how is LLL?



Trego for England

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 28/07/2009 10:42

I think no Turner is a mistake. The pitch up there suits him.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: North of the Border (IP Logged)
Date: 28/07/2009 11:51

I'm so confident of a successful night, I'm going to book my travel to the finals day right now...

ummm... anyone know where and when?

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 28/07/2009 12:03

Birmingham, I believe.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 28/07/2009 13:57

Turner isn't tight enough for this stuff and anything loose in a T20 goes for loads. I'm worried by about the rest after Trent Bridge last weekend.

I'm glad they've left him out - we need to play him when we think he is of the most use because he only manages one game at a time with a fortnight off in between to get over injury :-(



(Sm72)

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 28/07/2009 16:11

Yeah, I think a customarily quick pitch is when he would be most use though!

It's a big test tonight. It's the third one-day quarter-final we've played in the last 14 months or so.

In the previous two, only Craig Kieswetter has really stood out in both making 90 odd and a ton. Too many others have been quiet in those games. I think it's time that Hildreth stepped forward in a big game.

To be honest, I think whichever team bats first will win.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 28/07/2009 16:49

Well presently they might only have 5 overs to do it in because it looks nasty in Lancs I'm afraid at "Fortress Old Trafford". Seems we don't travel well according to Lloyd.

(Sm120)

But he reckons we'll win the thing so that's us dead and buried :-(



(Sm72)

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
Date: 28/07/2009 16:50

"I'm glad they've left him out - we need to play him when we think he is of the most use because he only manages one game at a time with a fortnight off in between to get over injury."

Sounds as though you don't rate Mark Turner very highly then, Grockle.

I have to say that I had serious doubts a couple of years ago as to whether or not he would prove to be a valuable long - term signing for us. Sadly, nothing that he has produced since (despite the huge amount that Somerset has invested in him) has caused me to reconsider my doubts.

Anyway, let's hope that everyone is firing on all cylinders tonight to guide us to the semi finals at least.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 28/07/2009 16:53

I don't rate his ability to stay fit very highly. It's difficult to assess his ability when he can only manage one game a fortnight.

When he's been in the middle for a month non stop then I think we may have a better opinion of what he's worth but we need a consistent and reliable bowler.



(Sm72)

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 28/07/2009 16:54

What happens if it rains all night - do they bowl at a stump in the canteen or something?

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 28/07/2009 16:56

Finals day is Aug 15, at Edgbaston

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 28/07/2009 16:59

There is a reserve day, but if it's reduced and then still not completed, the reduced game will be completed on the reserve day.



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Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 28/07/2009 17:39

Yep so a 5 over slog that only manages 4 overs means we come back tomorrow for 6 overs! 1 from the first team and 5 from the second.....ho hum...



(Sm72)

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 28/07/2009 18:12

Try again same time tomorrow.
Better than a five-over slog IMHO.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 28/07/2009 18:27

That sounds like good news to me (and will give BJ more time to develop his mid-match dancing routine.



LoL

Sixty-one Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 28/07/2009 18:41

I hope it works out OK with the 5.30 start.

David Lloyd said the rules allows for play to take place between 10am – 8pm, but the umpire on the field announced 5.30 start to allow for those who have ticket to come after work.

I do hope it is not raining at 5.30 and they could have played earlier in the day.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Slow Left Chinaman (IP Logged)
Date: 28/07/2009 18:42

Enjoyed the coverage today - Bumble very complimentary abput CK and PT, as well as the "big three" of Langer Tresco and Hilders.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 28/07/2009 18:52

A 5 over slog?
Now that's proper cricket!

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 28/07/2009 18:58

Presumably you are referring to 2.3 overs a side, BR. 10 overs in all sounds a bit too long for me.



LoL

Sixty-one Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 28/07/2009 19:10

Yes SLC - I though Bumble was on good form today.
He said BoBo "must have been very close" to the Champions Trophy squad, which is encouraging.
Keep the faith, Bo, your brother's time will come.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 28/07/2009 19:23

I suggest, BO, that if you move to Durham YOUR time could come to.



LoL

Sixty-one Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 28/07/2009 21:46

I've got my dance routine sorted now,it's all the better for having the extra 24 hours.
To wear a G string or not is my next dilemma.
I don't think it'll match my disco shirt and boots.

Groovy.
Man.



Trego for England

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 28/07/2009 22:19

Both clubs are to approach the ECB tomorrow (Wednesday) to ask for permission to play on Thursday morning, should the heavy rain forecast for Manchester all day tomorrow make play impossible tomorrow evening.

If permission is refused, it will be the dreaded bowl-out. I wonder if Somerset have been honing their skills at bowling straight?

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 28/07/2009 22:23

Young Mr Stiff would be just the man for that.



Trego for England

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: fRed (IP Logged)
Date: 28/07/2009 23:44

So what happens with the £60-a-head coach trip?



Cricket's the winner.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 03:54

Stumpy was there.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 04:30

Listening to the forecast on Radio5Live on the net just now.

Sounds like a monsoon is en-route.

Get practising in the nets lads.

So who are our five bowlers ? - remember we need accuracy NOT speed !

Grizzzly

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Brother Of (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 07:41

Lets be honest its going to a bowl out in the indoor school!!!
Every forecast i have seen has rain all over Manchester for most of the day.
Good luck lads.



TREGO FOR ENGLAND

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 08:48

Yes the weatherman was very very apologetic for the next couple of days. Doesn't look wonderful for the weekend either. Where's the promised summer?



(Sm72)

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 09:34

Summer has been cancelled, Grockle. Again. The Met Office have now offically re-canted on their 'barbecue summer,' prediction. Weather likely to be very poor until September, just like the past two years.

So come on then, everybody, who are your five for this bowl-out GARBAGE?

I'm going with Alfonso (can bowl good yorkers), Hildreth (bowls wicket to wicket), Tresco (ditto), Charl (doesn't use his full height in his action so, hopefully, won't bounce it over the top despite being tall man,) and, I guess, Arul.

I wish we had more than just alfonso as a top yorker man as I think yorkers are the way to go in bowl-outs.

I've not picked Pete because I think it will swing like a banana in the indoor cricket school and I've not picked Ben because those indoor strips tend to be bouncy and he's so tall that he would have a job not to bounce it over the stumps, even if he gets the line right.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Brother Of (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 09:44

Alfonso,arul,omari,hildy,tres.
Agree that it would probably swing round corners in the indoor school.
Hold it cross seam and hope for the best!!!



TREGO FOR ENGLAND

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 09:57

Wonder if they'll televise it? Now there's an exciting 15 minutes for this afternoon/evening :-)



(Sm72)

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 10:01

My god, what an awful thought, Grockle. Let's hope Sky Editors are not lurking on our board this morning!

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 10:11

Well they could show us stuffing Lancs in 2005 again... never tire of that little show.



(Sm72)

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 10:48

Can I just say that I wasn't being serious with my suggestion last night.
I'm sure more than one person realised I was being a little naughty.



Trego for England

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Brother Of (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 11:07

I reckon sky sports news will cover it



TREGO FOR ENGLAND

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 11:28

Quote:
Big Jim
Can I just say that I wasn't being serious with my suggestion last night.
I'm sure more than one person realised I was being a little naughty.

How unlike the BJ we know and love.



LoL

Sixty-one Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 11:38

I know,I've started to apologise and explain my sillyness.
Must try harder.



Trego for England

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 11:45

We could use the bowling machine!

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 12:05

... or have a contest to see how many balls each batsman can steer towards FTM.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 12:27

The Twenty20 Cup quarter-final between Lancashire and Somerset could now take place on Thursday July 30 if poor weather prevents play from taking place at Old Trafford tonight. [www.ecb.co.uk]

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 12:28

wow.... what about the game with Notts?

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 12:31

That will be why they are aloud to play at 11am so they can travel back for Friday.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 12:31

tomorrow's forecast is okay. But why opt for an 11AM start? The ground might need several hours to dry out?

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 12:45

I should imaging Somerset will lose money on this fixture.

With the extra cost of accommodation for two extra nights, and my belief is that Somerset gets 25% of the gate money that will not be much if people ask for a refund.

That’s the English summer for you.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 12:47

Quote:
AGod
I'm going with Alfonso (can bowl good yorkers), Hildreth (bowls wicket to wicket), Tresco (ditto), Charl (doesn't use his full height in his action so, hopefully, won't bounce it over the top despite being tall man,) and, I guess, Arul.

I wish we had more than just alfonso as a top yorker man as I think yorkers are the way to go in bowl-outs.

I've not picked Pete because I think it will swing like a banana in the indoor cricket school and I've not picked Ben because those indoor strips tend to be bouncy and he's so tall that he would have a job not to bounce it over the stumps, even if he gets the line right.

Very analytical thinking, AGod.

Would you care to predict how many times out of 10, our bowlers will hit the stumps?

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: fRed (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 12:54

It doesn't look too bad there at the moment...

[www.webcams.travel]



Cricket's the winner.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 13:51

The ECB have agreed that the match can now be played at 11am tomorrow morning (Thursday), if it is rained off again this evening.

Cutting it a bit fine to get home and rested for the Notts championship match on Friday!

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 14:00

But as it has rained persistently all day here and I just talked to someone who is witnessing 'stair rod' rain in Nottingham it is probably a decent idea. Better than a 5 over smash or the dreaded 'bowl out'.



(Sm72)

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 14:05

It is lashing down at Northampton also, so they will probably be playing Hampshire in the fourth quarter-final tomorrow as well.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 14:18

The present situation is of course an inevitable result of allowing television rights to dictate the fixture schedules.

If all 4 quarter - finals had been played on the same day (Monday), this state of affairs would probably never have arisen.

Amended to correct day.



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Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 14:23

Very true,CP.



Trego for England

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Dasher Denning (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 14:37

any idea if the TV cameras are still up there? They had two games on on Monday night so wondering if we might still get coverage if there was play tonight?

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 15:20

Ian Harvey has come down with a bout of swine flu, ruling him out of Northamptonshire’s Twenty20 Cup quarter-final against Hampshire tonight. [www.ecb.co.uk]


I wondered how long before a cricketer got the “Swine Flu” if not careful it could spread throughout the team.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 15:37

SP, the game is was scheduled to start at 17.30 so I suspect the cameras have moved to Edgbaston. Northants match should have been on, but I suspect it'll be rain stopped play for a couple of days in most places, unless the grounds dry out very quickly.

Edit due to rain in computer. Match off tonight, so a bowl is possible at 14.00 tomorrow.



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Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Streeter (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 15:40

Hmm. Just looked at that webcam link. Is it my imagination or is there standing water all over the outfield ? What a terrible shame. Even if it isn't proper cricket ! Anyway Friday is looking reasonable for Taunton and I'll be there.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: fRed (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 15:42

It's been called today off already.



Cricket's the winner.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 16:03

As has Northants vs. Hants.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Slow Left Chinaman (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 16:29

Scrap the coverage of the rain at the other game today - lets have a couple of hours of Tresco and Langer's banter!

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Slow Left Chinaman (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 16:33

Wow, they just showed old trafford, looks like half the pitch is under water! Can't see any play tomorrow either. What a load of ***

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 17:04

If it is that bad, then the umpires should call the whole thing off tonight, have a 'bowl out', and let our lads return home.

I am only judging by the webcams, but the ground covers did not appear to be all that sophisticated for a former (and future) Test Match ground.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 17:36

bowl out then, can we do it underarm?!

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 18:20

damn it, I put a bet on Northants on the basis that Harvey would probably win the game for them. Without him, they will be doomed.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 18:25

they could yet be having a bowl out too, monty will save your £££

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 18:26

It certainly looks hopeless at Old Trafford`s swan lake.

But the umpires had no authority to call it off tonight, in the light of this morning`s request by both Lancashire and Somerset, not just by the home county, for the ECB to designate tomorrow as a second reserve day.

So it looks like beating Lancs in a bowl-out, and then Kent, potentially the best side still left, in the semis to have a chance of repeating that 2005 success.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 18:26

Outfield at old T tends to drain pretty well pitch cover was 1st hover-cover in country and ground staff well practised at mopping up so hopeful tomorrow so long as rain holds off overnight. One sharp shower 11am otherwise its been dry all day here in Scouse-land.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 18:30

fingers crossed then, bowl out is worse way to miss finals day, 5 over game not ideal but slightly better.

my 5 would be arul, max, zander, alfie and charl

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 19:35

Cartwright, Langford, Alley, JCWhite and Burgess for me.



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Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 19:48

I think you have an unwarranted bias in favour of Budgie, LoL.

Replace with the Ghost, perhaps.

Mind you, if AG is right Joel bowled a mean yorker.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 20:19

Moi? Biased in favour of a Glastonbury lad? Can't imagine where you got that idea from.



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Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 20:34

Maybe they should have a competition to see how many bowlers could miss the stumps - despite trying !

Let's see now: AvT/Stiff/Scott Boswell/Mitchell Johnson etc. etc. !!

Grizzzly

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 20:35

3 sets wouldnt be enough for some of those!

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 21:01

Botham for me, everytime!

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 22:10

I'd pick five from my early years at the deathplace of bowlers;

Rose G,Caddick,Lee S,Ecclestone and Ahmed



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Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 22:34

Botham,Botham?
What would he do?
Bowl a long-hop and hope it hit the stumps on the second bounce?



Trego for England

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2009 22:36

White,Cartwright,Jones,Langford and Caddick for me.



Trego for England

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Congar (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 04:33

I think you've got it BJ, but which Jones?

Jones the ....

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 05:11

Possibly means himself!

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 07:42

Scouse-cast.
Thunderstorm overnight and a couple of heavy showers so far this morning. Local forecasts suggests showers will clear-this afternoon when its too late :-( Off to old trafford soon will try to update when i'm there

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 08:58

Cheers medears....hoping for a couple of hours of rain in Birmingham so SKY show the game at a wonderfully dry Manchester instead.

SKY not predicting a start at the Brum game until mid afternoon because of the state of the outfield. If OT is the same it's indoor school time!!



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Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 09:24

Very good point,Congar.
And Rob has a point too.
I have to say that I had Allan or Steff in mind though Adrian of course could have knocked all three stumps out of the ground with one delivery.
Steff is a superb"death"bowler,he has been asked to bowl at many a West Wales funeral,and would have been ideal in a bowl off.
Let's hope it doesn't come down to that.
Starting to rain again here now.



Trego for England

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 09:45

Yes, we know the outfield was very wet and the forecast was better for this afternoon, so why, oh why, did we go for an 11AM start - less drying time and worse forecast?

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 09:51

Because we have to get back to Taunton for the LVCC match tomorrow and I think Lancashire are away as well. That was what was said yesterday anyway.

Give the organisers credit for trying to get a game at all AG. This is a dispensation. We should have 'bowled off' yesterday under the rules.

If we don't get a game it isn't because the organisers were not trying to be flexible for the sake of the game.



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Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 09:57

Yeah, fair enough, Grockle.

Is there any news yet on whether/when any start might actually be feasible?

Test is delayed.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 10:17

Well it's throwing it down here and according to Cricinfo the start is delayed so...indoor school seems favourite! I wonder if they'll film it as the Ashes is not on?

Hope not - people might enjoy it and the organisers may see an opportunity to introduce a new short form of 'cricket' and we'll have 'Bowl Offs' as the new idea in 2010.



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Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 10:54

hat dark stuff to the right says 'bowl out' to me as well Dasher. 2:45 cut off? Not enough time for a game IMHO.


Get the balls out, get it over with and get home to prepare for Notts tomorrow. Though the forecast for a result here is not looking all that promising either.



(Sm72)

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 10:55

Looks like it's stopped actually raining.
Three hours to get it mopped up, with 2.45 the cut-off time.
Keep it all crossed everyone!

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 10:57

That's the cut-off time by which they must start, Grockle, rather than finish.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 11:03

I thought it was the finish time, too?

They said yesterday we have one hour in reserve but that it needs to be over by 2.45, I thought?

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 11:14

Yes I understand that FE. That's the time when the 5 over thrash needs to start isn't it? As Dasher outlines, given the position at Edgbaston, which is a bit further along by the looks of it, I can't see them playing anything on it until 4-ish and that's if it doesn't rain again.



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Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 11:16

Oh, right. I see now that any bowl-off is scheduled for 2 apparently, so yes celarly 2.45 is the cut-off finish time.
Apologies.
However, that seems a bit ridiculous, as a full 40 over game which started at 11, went at 12 overs an hour,and had a 10 minute interval would last until 2.30!
All power to everyone for trying to get a game on, but perhaps with hidnsight, a bowl-off last night might have been more prudent!

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 11:20

Not official but trust me its gonna be a bowl out. Newby cheetham mahmood + someone i dont recognise practising, no Somerset here yet. Umps have said indoor school will be cleared of public before the bowl off.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 11:23

The fact that the bowl-off will start at two, suggest that at around 1:45 they'll decide that even the 5-over thrash couldn't be concluded by 2:45.
There's obviously a little confusion around, but given that all parties are breaking new ground in trying to get a game on, and are to an extent "making it up as they go along", they should probably be forgiven!



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Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 11:25

Mahmood...........brilliant! winking smiley

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 11:26

Obviously no pressure but these lancs boys look pretty good-previously unidentified bowler i think is parry.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Wickham (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 11:42

Bowl out at 1.15 according to Lancashire CCC site LCCC. They say that they will cover it on-line.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 11:53

My guess for Somerset line up based on who appeared to be dressed for the occasion - charl, alf, arul, mark t, plus i think omari

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 11:54

Surely the famous five must be from the original X1!

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 12:01

BBC covering it on 1566.Is that Somerset BBC?

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 12:01

They haven't named an eleven so one would assume they can pick from the squad.



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Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 12:13

Somerset
Trego
Willo
Alf
Ben
Omari
In that order lanc won toss bowling 1st
Cheetham
Vvs lax
Parry
Chilton
Newby

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 12:16

On radio now

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 12:18

Cheetham 1 from 2
Bobo the same 1-1
Vvs both miss
Willo 1 from 2
1-2

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Wickham (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 12:18

Yes - it's Radio Somerset

1 from 4 for Lanc

" from 4 for Som

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Wickham (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 12:20

Lanc 1 from 6

Som 4 from 6

This could catch on

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 12:20

Parry 2 misses
Alf 2 hits
1-4

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 12:22

We're through!!!

Chilton missed twice and we go to Edgbaston...he he



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Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Wickham (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 12:22

Somerset go through - according to commentators (5-1).

Hearts go out to Lancashire - what a way to lose

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: North of the Border (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 12:22

aaaaah, I can't hear the radio... what's happened? what's happened?

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 12:22

Somerset win 5-1

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 12:23

This bowl out thing is the future. Twenty20 just takes hours.



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Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 12:24

Did we win because we chose bowlers, while Lancs selected the likes of Chilton and Laxman?

(Not that I care much, as long as we won!)

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 12:25

"If only we'd bowled-at-a-vacant-set-of-stumps to our true potential..............." etc etc etc

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 12:26

Charl gave us two, Parry missed with one, Thomas hit twice and Chilton missed twice and Ben must have hit because we win 5 - 1. Not sure how this works but it's a bad bad way to win a QF.

Radio is saying there must be a better way. Why couldn't it have been postponed or moved to a neutral venue at another date.

The outfield is very sodden and there was little chance of playing even at 5:30.



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Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 12:26

Very good,very good.



Trego for England

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 12:27

We're playing Kent in the semi.



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Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 12:32

Given the forecast for the next few weeks, I propose we save a lot of trouble by settling The Ashes with a bowl out - and I nominate Mitchell Johnson to do all the Australian bowling and Flintoff to reply.



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Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 12:32

Correct.



Trego for England

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 12:32

Mark Chilton must hate the sight of Somerset.

He was the Lancashire captain who decided to bat first in hugely friendly bowling conditions in the 2005 20/20 final against us at The Oval, only to see Caddy and Richard Johnson destroy a top order ot Loye, Flintoff, Symonds and Cork.

Now he misses the stumps twice in the bowl-out. Still, all credit to him for standing up and being counted (or rather not counted) today.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 12:35

On the evidence he loves the sight of Somerset and it's Lancashire that he hates.



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Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 12:36

5-1 to us!!!

As soon as I saw Mahmood's name I felt confident!!

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 12:36

Ah well, sums up 20/20 really doesn't it.

Takes 'hit & giggle' to a new level.

At least we're through, but bet Lancs are more than a bit peed off.

Grizzzly

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 12:44

Whoopee

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 12:51

Cushion ?

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 12:56

Is one out of ten some kind of record for ineptitude in this kind of thing?

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 13:00

Well played bowled the Somerset chosen ones.

Not a very satisfactory way to progress in a competition, but as we have been on the losing side before in such circumstances, I am happy to take this as simply being our day.

It's not as easy as one thinks to hit the stumps direct, so I feel that to have hit 5 times was a very good effort.

Well done, once again.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 13:00

They didn't bowl any more once the thing was decided so they must have missed 5 out of 6 while we hit 5 out of 6. Charl, Thommo and Ben(?) Two of ours and one of theirs didn't need to bowl.... err I think.

One thing, even though it was against vacant stumps, all you can ask a bowler to do is bowl straight and our boys did that so won this one with our suspected weakness which is the nearest thing we'll get to satisfying.

After watching Charl Willoughby against Matt Hoggard a while ago where the batsman was standing at leg watching the bowler unable to hit a set of open stumps for a whole over it isn't such a easy thing to do.



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Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 13:04

And who needs our imaginary line up of accurate bowlers when we've got this lot?
Well done boys.



Trego for England

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 13:06


Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 13:16

The semi-finals / final day must be a huge pay day for the club and is a very enjoyable day for the fans, especially if it's a rare sunny day!

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 13:18

Link to the 'scorecard' per Lancs site:

[www.lccc.co.uk]

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 13:20

I think the maths and the reports suggest (particularly with them going first) that it was 5/7 beats 1/7; Charl 1, BoBo 1, Fonzie 2 and Ben 1 (out of 1)

But (in the immortal words of Barry Davies) "Frankly.........who cares?".

Edited after reading the Lancs ball-by-ball summary:

Obviously Grizzzly's post makes mine pretty redundant.

The link does, however, suggest that Ben didn't need to bowl his second ball anyway. They must have been three down with two left at that point.




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Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Ronnis sabre (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 13:21

I think thats it guys. Although our preference is for the longer format and I think I speak for all of us when I say that, there is no doubting the money influence of 20/20. Full house, share of gate, prize money, champions game to be played. We have to be in the mix as if we are not then financially we fall behind.

This could go some way to paying for "our new bowlers for next year" whether we like it or not.

Plus winning is good for morale. roll on the title!!!

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: thorns06 (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 13:22

Quote:
cricketjerry-mouse
Mark Chilton must hate the sight of Somerset.
He was the Lancashire captain who decided to bat first in hugely friendly bowling conditions in the 2005 20/20 final against us at The Oval, only to see Caddy and Richard Johnson destroy a top order ot Loye, Flintoff, Symonds and Cork.

Now he misses the stumps twice in the bowl-out. Still, all credit to him for standing up and being counted (or rather not counted) today.

I was playing cricket in somerset that day, and were rained off, so was a very messy day. Was very good, but you'll find the symmo was run out, by a very good throw ;-)

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 13:58

Looking up Wisden, Symonds was indeed run out - by a direct hit from Wes Durston at point.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Wickham (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 14:09

The risk of being regarded a pedant has never stopped me before. So ... when Chilton failed to hit the stumps with his second ball, Somerset could not be caught. Nevertheless, Phillips bowled two balls (hitting the stumps with one of them). Lancashire scored 1 from 8 and Somerset scored 5 from 8.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 14:25

Yes that was the point I was obvioulsy failing to make with my edit, Wickham.
I'll go back and make my edit more obvious.

Edit: So in order to stake a claim to the Pedant's Prize; I would say that we actually won 4 (out of 6) - 1 (out of 8).



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Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 14:39

A link to a photo of our triumphant bowlers.


[static.ecb.co.uk]

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 14:40

As I see it, Wickham and FE qualify for the semi-final, to be played somewhere midway between Oxford and Cambridge (in coloured anoraks).



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Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 14:47

Anybody clever than me would have worked out that Banks was the fifth bowler

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 15:02

You're already clev enough, Mike.



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Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: JonR (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 21:22

County Cricket is back on the BBC! Full highlights of the bowl-out can be found here.

A very eerie feel to that footage. Alfonso really did a superb job, although it must have felt like a bit of a hollow victory.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 21:41

Why hollow?
You play by the rules,somebody has to win.
I'm sure Lancashire wouldn't be complaining had they won.

You wouldn't want to take on Alfie in a duel would you?



Trego for England

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: JonR (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 21:46

Hollow is probably the wrong word, but playing in front of no spectators and only bowling two balls, it must feel a bit unsatisfactory.
I found the fact that Alfie took a full run-up all the more impressive. Perhaps that's the secret of winning bowl-outs?

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 22:00

I would feel the result to be more hollow if the bowling scores had been closer - but 5-1 sounds like a pretty definite win to me.



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Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 22:00

Best ask the Gloucester players what that feels like,they must be pretty used to it by now.



Trego for England

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 22:24

Both the 20/20 finalists will represent England in the Champions League in India in October, not just the winners.

So if we can beat Kent in the semi, we will be in touching distance of some very serious money indeed.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 22:29

WHEN we beat Kent that is...

Wonder how much the club trip will be to Champions league? Based on the ridiculous pricing of away trips in this country may be cheaper to buy one of the new flats!

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 22:42

Re the Champions League in October, I see from tomorrow`s Times that the minimum return for taking part is £503,000, before you begin to add in any prize money.

You could hire quite a decent new fast bowler or two for 2010 for that kind of dosh.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 22:47

we could buy a new set of covers for frosty, i like the one they have at Lords.
we could also get some scoreboards that work, our 2 are ALWAYS wrong!
And as you say a couple of fast bowlers would be nice.
I see Allenby is leaving Leics, has had a good few seasons there, may be worth a look...?

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2009 22:58

The Kent website is reporting that they have been allocated 1,400 tickets for 20/20 finals day. I expect all four counties will get the same - doesn`t sound like very many to me.

Prices are £60 adults; £20 juniors.

Kent are also speculating that the Kent/Somerset semi will be second on, as the ECB always organise the order to suit the fans who have to travel the furthest.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 31/07/2009 04:41

I think it standard policy for each finalist to get 1600 tickets, which are then allocated in blocks of say 400, so not all our supporters, or kent's will be in the same area. The idea being that when a team get's knocked out, no huge gaps appear, if the supporters all decide to leave early.

Most counties struggle to sell their allocation, as like when we played at the Oval, we had to find a night's accommodation, as the night finishes very late.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Haringey Racer (IP Logged)
Date: 31/07/2009 06:05

Quote:
wsm fan
we could also get some scoreboards that work, our 2 are ALWAYS wrong!

That's usually a problem with the operator rather than the equipment. I don't understand why, now that the scorers themselves use laptops, the scoreboards can't be driven direct from them rather than being worked independently.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 31/07/2009 06:50

Yet again, the Somerset batsmen fail to come to the party and we have to thank our bowlers for our success! In this game v Lancs, none of our batters put in any performance whatsoever - I'm not sure they even turned up. No runs at all from the captain, yet again - what is Brian Rose going to do about that?

When will our vaunted batting line-up show its true worth and actually win us a game? It's always the lower order that has to drag us out of the fire, and Somerset has to rely on its bowlers to pull us through.

Harumph!

(Sm14)

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 31/07/2009 07:02

Quote.

Both the 20/20 finalists will represent England in the Champions League in India in October.

What happens with Marcus Trescothick if Somerset gets to go??

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 31/07/2009 07:16

Obviously that's for Marcus to decide, and I am sure that he will make the right decision. The right decision for Marcus is ipso facto the right decision for Somerset.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 31/07/2009 07:51

A few points;

1) Beefy - you will recall that the late finish at the Oval was partly a function of the rain delay - must have added at least 90 mins to the day, if not 120?

2) We should not start dreaming of investing Champions League riches in fast bowlers or anything like that. And not only because Kent are a good side. The main reason why I say we should not start dreaming yet is - very simply - that we don't know whether or not our players have some contractual arrangement in place in the event of T20 success i.e I often suspsect that a large portion of any prize money won by counties is contractually guaranteed to players as a reward for success. After all, if you think about it, where else are clubs likely to get the money from to pay out 'tournamnet win bonuses,' and things like that.

A further, related, point would be this. Let's say we beat Kent and we don't have to pay our players a bonus out of our £503,000. If the future of the likes of Hoggard are not settled by then, would we want to use that money to start making over-the-odds bids for players? Or would we be better sticking by our 'sensible guns,' and only looking to pay market rates to attract new players.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 31/07/2009 08:00

If you count yesterday`s bowl-out success - and I don`t see why you shouldn`t - Somerset have now won more matches in all forms of competition this summer than in any entire season in their long history.

So despite all the criticism, players and management must be doing something right.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 31/07/2009 08:44

£60 for adults + £20 for children! £140 plus hotel and expenses, an expensive day out. Alas, I cannot get there in time, but the cost is much more than last year, as I recall.

The cricketing authorities need to look at the global economy and price accordingly.

Maybe the unpredictable weather is playing a part, but finals day is normally sold out, yet this year there are large display ads in the daily papers.

Surely the Somerset management can organize the weather.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 31/07/2009 08:48

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Maybe the unpredictable weather is playing a part, but finals day is normally sold out, yet this year there are large display ads in the daily papers.

As there are every year: it's never been sold out less than 24 hours after the identity of the four teams is known!

This will be a sell-out, I can assure you.

And AG; pemit me a giggle if you will. Within two paragraphs you go from telling us not to start planning how to spend the prize money, to detailing your plans as to how we should spend the prize money! Brilliant! winking smiley

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JonR
I found the fact that Alfie took a full run-up all the more impressive. Perhaps that's the secret of winning bowl-outs?

The same thought struck me. I'm fairly convinced part of Alfie's success can be attributeed to "muscle memory" and just bowling normally.

SP - Priceless! (Sm22)



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Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 31/07/2009 11:23

I think you mis-read what I wrote, FE. I was suggesting that we should NOT over-spend for players IF we get to the CC League and if we don't then have to pay most of the money out to our existing players, by way of T20 related bonuses.

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 31/07/2009 11:36

Right-oh! Beg pardon!

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 31/07/2009 12:10

Mahmood has hit the stumps a day too late! Tee hee!

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 31/07/2009 14:13

Can't see MT going to India - or anywhere else overseas. I'm sure he (& the Club) won't want to risk any repitition of previous unfortunate events.

In fact, for his sake, I hope he doesnt even contemplate it. Better to keep those demons firmly in the cupboard.

Grizzzly

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 31/07/2009 20:57

The cost is based on the fact that this is the cash cow of cricket.

If you want this razamatazz to run the game then the punter will pay for it. For the unlucky half of the people it will be 3 hours of hope and then anguish. For the rest it will be 6 hours of stuff they want won't it?

This is the future of cricket. Isn't it? Anyway most people will watch it on SKY so sold out of not the media personnel will get their cut of the wonga.

I'm sure the economists have looked at the size of the ground, the possible demand and priced it according to what they believe the people clamouring for tickets are willing and able to pay to see it. I would have been stunned if they had priced it under £50 though an allocation of family tickets would have been good to see - this is the format to bring the kids to after all? Except of course they don't drink do they? Solution - overprice the food because they DO eat..

Wonder what the supporter's club trip price will be?



(Sm72)



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Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 31/07/2009 21:04

£95 it is, (including the ticket!)

Re: T20 QF Rethink?
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 31/07/2009 21:21

Will you be going Grockle? Presumably you could use your press pass. I'll be watching it on Sky.

Re: T20 the Quarter Final!! Somerset Bowled Over
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 31/07/2009 22:42

Not sure Botham. I have SKY for a month so I could take your option and armchair spectate.

If I do use the privilege of the pass it will be a working visit to report on the games...that's why they give it to people and how you get it renewed each year when you have to present evidence with your application.

Not sure I'm a big enough fish in this particular media sea to get accreditation though. Haven't you still got your contacts at the ground to get you comp tickets? It is an away game after all?



(Sm72)



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Re: T20 the Quarter Final!! Somerset Bowled Over
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 02/08/2009 17:53

I wonder if C.A.P.will be open for people to watch.
£60 is rather a lot for a mickey mouse day.

Re: T20 the Quarter Final!! Somerset Bowled Over
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 02/08/2009 18:40

Poor admin yet again from the club.
Announcement made last week that tickets would not be available til Monday, that was still the indication on Saturday at the ground from the tanoy.

Then at the ground today they suddenly announce that tickets are on sale in the office.
We apparently only have 1400 allocation so i hope those who are waiting until tomorrow as instructed arent left dissapointed.

1400 out of 22000+ is the normal joke distribution, assuming the other 3 counties have similar allocations then barely 25% of the capacity will include actual supporters of the clubs involved

Re: T20 the Quarter Final!! Somerset Bowled Over
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 02/08/2009 18:56

It wasn`t poor admin by the club, wsm, so don`t let`s knock them for knocking sake.

They were told by Warwickshire on Friday that the tickets would not reach Taunton until Monday morning - hence the initial announcement that they would go on sale then.

But because of the day-long rain at Edgbaston on Saturday, the Warwickshire admin staff found time on their hands and turned their attention from the Test to sorting out the 20/20 final tickets.

They dispatched Somerset`s ration by courier van on Saturday night - and with a sizeable band of members at the ground today, the went on sale from 10 am.

Still available Monday morning as well.

Re: T20 the Quarter Final!! Somerset Bowled Over
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 02/08/2009 19:17

I stand corrected.
No explanation was published (to my knowledge) as to the bringing forward of the ticket selling but clearly you are more in the know than i am.
I'm ok anyway, being there i got mine today...

Re: T20 the Quarter Final!! Somerset Bowled Over
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 02/08/2009 20:22

And members keen to watch cricket would posibly have been there as well seeing as this was the best predicted day of the four as well WSM so you probably weren't on your own in getting a ticket today.

If you weren't however then I'd get down there early tomorrow because it is a very very small allocation.

For those who haven't yet got to this.

The final has four sides involved in it but only three that can qualify for the World Championships.

Northants cannot take part in the World event because they have a player who has taken part in the ICL (? I think that is the acronym)

IF Northants win their semi then ONLY the other finalist will be able to qualify for that comeptition.

IF Northants don't make it through to the final BOTH sides will qualify.

It makes no difference to us or the other two but there will be no case of a losing semi finalist qualifying because Northants get to the final if you have hears that somewhere.



(Sm72)

Re: T20 the Quarter Final!! Somerset Bowled Over
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 03/08/2009 10:35

I thought all the ICL stuff had been cleared up?

If not, how come Kent will get away with it this year when they did not last year e.g. Kemp etc??

Re: T20 the Quarter Final!! Somerset Bowled Over
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 03/08/2009 14:24

Not registered to play this year? Don't ask me. It interests me not one jot but I heard the stuff so thought I'd tell people what I'd heard.



(Sm72)

Re: T20 the Quarter Final!! Somerset Bowled Over
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 03/08/2009 14:52

I thought I had heard that a clean slate had been agreed for all ICL players. I suspect that you must be right that what was actually agreed was an amnesty for all those with prior (but not current) involvement with the ICL.

If you recall, Somerset, Middx and Glamorgan were the only counties in the UK that were able to comply with the BCCI's dictates for last year's competition.

Re: T20 the Quarter Final!! Somerset Bowled Over
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 04/08/2009 12:51

SP: May I join FE in congratulating you on what was surely the year's finest and most perceptive post, the one that commented on the lamentable performance of our batsmen at Old Trafford. Rumour has it that they were so arrogant that they didn't even bother to change into their batting kit for the match.



LoL

Sixty-one Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: T20 the Quarter Final!! Somerset Bowled Over
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 04/08/2009 18:43

Loverly bit on SKY just now;

The main guy on SKY News Jeremy Thompson is being interviewed about his view on cricket. He was asked the question T20 or Tests?

His reply? "Tests..... T20 is Tapas, it's not a real meal"

Too true my man



(Sm72)

Re: T20 the Quarter Final!! Somerset Bowled Over
Posted by: Brother Of (IP Logged)
Date: 04/08/2009 19:18

Just sorted out my day out at Edgbaston!!



TREGO FOR ENGLAND

Re: T20 the Quarter Final!! Somerset Bowled Over
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 04/08/2009 20:02

do we still just have 1400 allocated tickets?

guess a few more maybe dotted about having bought tickets from edgbaston

Re: T20 the Quarter Final!! Somerset Bowled Over
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 04/08/2009 21:24

I think one way and another you deserve to be there, Sam!

Re: T20 the Quarter Final!! Somerset Bowled Over
Posted by: Brother Of (IP Logged)
Date: 05/08/2009 08:44

Cant wait bob,had to give up saturday cricket but that is a small sacrifice to watch the boys in a finals day.
In a box for the day which is great and just booked up a hotel for the night,so it WILL be a long day on the sauce!!!



TREGO FOR ENGLAND

Re: T20 the Quarter Final!! Somerset Bowled Over
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 05/08/2009 11:41

Have one for me too please,Bo.
I hope it's a great day and we come back smiling,win or lose.



Trego for England

Re: T20 the Quarter Final!! Somerset Bowled Over
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 05/08/2009 12:03

Comparing your signature with BO's, BJ, I can only conclude that you are not sufficiently serious.



LoL

Sixty-one Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: T20 the Quarter Final!! Somerset Bowled Over
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 05/08/2009 12:10

I only learnt how to do a signature after seeing that you had given yourself one.
Realising it must be very simple I then proceeded,hence my moniker which does look a bit like Bo's.



Trego for England

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