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The Kentmen Cometh

Will he bat?
By Grockle
April 26 2009
It is a dark and gloomy day here but there's no rain. One comment was that it will be "...an on and off day..". The umpires are inspecting at 11:00 and we expect to start soon after although there is dark grey stuff around the place. The covers are on the ground though NOT on the wicket and we hope they will disappear as soon as the umps arrive.

v Kent FPT @ Taunton Sunday 26 April 2009

Scorecard

Radio Coverage

The prospects do not look all that promising that we are going to get a full days play.  There are lots of sheets on lots of places around the boundary as well as the wicket itself.   Which is in the middle for a change.

Justin is sticking with the Warwickshire FPT side - at least as it is presented in the programme;

Trescothick, Kieswetter, Langer, Hildreth, de Bruyn, Suppiah, Trego, Phillips, Banks, Thomas, Willoughby

No "Grocklees" in unfortunately but their time will come hopefully and in Wes's case that will be based on the performance of Omari in games like this one.  A decent batting perfromance against the students which was dominated by Arul Suppiah and Neil Edwards didn't give the Anguilan the chance to show anything with the willow and that is the doubt at the moment.Anyway today is today and we will be bringing you up to date during the match as much as we possibly can and the thread for this will be live so comments will be answered if you have any.

More later but presently they are inspecting at 11 and we have a ludicrous 12 noon start!  There are a few wet patches on the pitch but presently there are about 30 cricket players playing touch rugby and practicing!!

43 over a side 3 can bowl 9 2 can bowl 8 and the powerplays will be 9, 4 and 4.  But things go on and the rain starts to cause problems and presently it's a 12:45 start with 38.  Kent have won the toss and we are going to bat first when things start.

I've had time therefore to wander around the ground and the Somerset stand (to be officially opened by Giles the C before the start of the Durham game).  The back is open and each entrance is commemorated to a former player - Rose (B), Marks, Langford and Denning.  There's a refreshment outlet there that is open at the Gimblett end of it and lots of doors for other things....no idea what yet though.  You can now walk all the way around the place.

The bell. has rung and we seem to be on for games. Trescothick and Kieswetter are on their way.  Warren Lee is opening from the River End with Banger facing.

He  takes 3 off his second ball to bring Craig in to face the young boy who yorks him first ball and we are 3 for 1 after 3 balls.  Hildreth is in and after Lee Saggers opens from the OP with 8 from the first over.  At least Kieswetter now has an average.  Good first over from the new boy while the experienced seamer at the other end hardly makes James play at the other.

Marcus looks good and is scoring at twice his partners rate driving to either side of the wicket and punishing anything wide.  because of that we are 26 after 4 with his contribution amounting to 16. Lee looks very useful though.  There is no Mahmoud in the eleven...Radio Kent were suggesting that anyone who could bowl would be playing today because they are really struggling to get four seamers out there.

By the end of the 6th and after Banger has introduced himself to Mark Saggers in no uncertain way - smacking him to the OP twice over his head and going to 31 off other boundaries at that end - we go to 50 as Kemp replaces Lee at the River.

This move is to get Lee on at the OP end for the 8th but Marcus is seeing the ball quite well and cuts his first to the scoreboard boundary prompting the Kent bowler to come around the wicket simply to be shaved down for another four to the other end of the CA pavilion.  The vice captain seems in decent nick as he moves on to 44 with few singles being run.

Banger goes to an immense 50 off 28 balls with 8 fours and then straight drives Lee twice more for fours. 84 by the end of the 10th and MT is 59. The 100 arrives after only 69 balls in the middle of the 12th as Stevens is used at the OP for the first time in a hope of keeping the VC in check.  Not really working though because Marcus has moved on to 67 and they continue to vary as Tredwell is introduced at the Botham end for the 13th.

Variation continues as the partners go to a 100 partnership in the 13th. Ferley is introduced (left arm spin) at the OP and for some reason Trescothick takes 2 steps up the wicket to him to loft him into the OP but doesn't completely follow through with the shot and instead deposits the ball straight into the hands of Lee in front of the cowshed.  108 for 2 and Hildreth is joined by Zander de Bruyn. A good knock marred by a lapse in concentration (41 balls with 11 fours).es the nature of the game not one jot and by the end of the 20th we have 137 with Hildreth now taking the premier role with his partner supporting. 

Jaarsveld is brought in on the River for the 17th but that changes not one jot.  James Hildreth takes up the premier role for us with his partner supporting.  He brings up his 50 off 67 balls halfway through the 22nd at 144 for 2 and Somerset pass 150 a few balls later.

Hildreth's involvement ends at 188 in the 28th when he punts the ball down to long on to be caught by Lee for 67.  This brings Trego to the crease and the two batsmen take the batting powerplay from the 30th (3 overs where they decide the field placings).  This enables Trigger to pull Kemp, coming in the OP, into the St John carpark to bring up the 200 and after 30 overs, Zander is on 45 and Trego celebrates the event with the second six of the over to the cowshed to bring us to 211.

Peter is dropped by Hockley in front of the Somerset Stand in the next over.  A difficult diving stop (almost) but still a chance.  Meanwhile almost unnoticed, Zander hits a 50 ball 50 with 2 sixes and 2 fours....faster than his recent partner.  After 32 overs we move to 227 for 3 while the Kent skipper continues to move his bowlers around to try and keep the maroon run machine unsettled.  Trigger looks like a man on a mission however....he just has to be careful as he nearly gets his partner run out looking for a risky single.

However, he mashes a huge six to the possible "Joel Garner" gates - the ones behind the Trescothick stand leading to the river side of Taunton - and then continues to give Ferley some straight drive hammer in front of the OP to move us to within 2 at the start of the 35th.  After nicking the strike he flips Tredwell's first ball to the same boundary to bring it up.  He repeats the shot with the same result next ball and then goes to 47 with a quick single off the third.  After Zander takes an easy single we do see the allrounder's mindset as he continues to look for big shots all over the offside boundary.  He's hitting the ball hard and long whenever possible unfortunately it's going to fielders and he's getting singles.

Saggers is back at the OP for the 36th and PT gets there off 28 balls with 3 sixes and 4 fours.  Let's hope he can push them with the ball later on to make this an allrounder game.  He sixes Lee to the Trescothick stand first ball of the next and he's looking to score off everything, the next is a full swat over Lee for four to the Botham boards and the last ball is taken from way out of the off stump into the middle green seats of the Somerset stand 282 for 3 at the end of the 37th. 

The two guys finish it off in style as Pete passes Zander with a wonderfully delicate leg glance to the Botham to finish on 73 and take his side to 291 for 3.  Excellent batting performance...good use of the line-up buy the skipper who sent the right man in at the right time.  Now we need to bowl to it.  Well done to Trigger for pushing us along and scoring 102 off the last 10 overs.

292 to defend in 38 overs.  The weather looks like it will hold off so there will be no D/L to blame.  Phillips is nowhere to be seen when we come out.  Max Waller is fielding and it seems Ben has a back problem (worrying for the Durham game). We open with Charl from the OP but first Trego from the River with even more to prove today.

7 off the first over is followed by Mr Key hitting one to midwicket where Marcus T whips around at full stretch and takes an absolute blinder to say goodbye to the captain.  One to Charl. Van Jaarsveld replaces him and the score moves on a little quicker.  The 50 comes up in the 8th off a Trescothick drop that was far far easier than the one he took.  Just after which van Jaarsfeld nearly kills his partner with a full bodied drive off Trego which van Jaarsfeld runs into and it drops him just outside the popping crease.  Peter retrieves the ball and considers for a moment running the guy out before he checks he is still alive!

Next ball...Trigger cleans the Kent man and they are 54 for 2 before the end of the 9th.  Banks is on at 64 from the River end for the 13th over and Thomas takes over at the Op for the 14th. Denley nearly goes C&B to Banks but it's a difficult chance and he couldn't hold on.  However he is bowling nicely and they are struggling to get him off the cut strip and make anything but singles from him. At the end of the 17th Kent are 94 for 2.

First ball of the 18th the situation changes as Alfonso Thomas comprehensively foxes Hockley (who hasn't played for 7 years it seems) and skittles him for 26.  It's 95 for 3 and Stevens arrives to take up the fray.  He doesn't stay long however as he tries to go big to one from Banks which he only manages to put down Max Waller's throat for 4 and Kent are 104 for 4 at the end of the 19th.

Zander returns for the 22nd and gets his first to nip back and beats Denley for 43 at 110.  Five down and who would leave de Bruyn out at the moment?  Excellent ball.

At the other end Banks is showing why we are keeping faith in him as he bowls tight overs, giving the opposition batsmen just enough air to get themselves out.  In the 25th he does exactly that to Justin Kemp who smacks the ball to Waller and departs for 8 at 124.  Only to be followed almost immediately by Tredwell who doesn't get the whole of the bat behind another Omari delivery and is caught behind without score at 125.  Banks 7 overs 26 for 3 - can't argue with them figures - 127 for 2 and kent are 102 behind on the D/L.  Another two points?  I think so.

Thomas replaces Banks at the River and Ferley tries a reverse sweep in the 29th which he misses and is caught plumb in front from....149 for 8.  Then Lee misses a straight one and gives Alfonso  another one 149 for 9 and that puts Thomas on a hat-trick ball at the start of his next over....which comes to nothing but Kent are just trying to finish the game with a wicket standing as Saggers and Jones try and stave off being all out with 8 overs to go.  It's 168 for 9 at 32 overs as Omari comes on to finish his spell - and is smacked for 6 by Jones onto the Botham roof with his first.

And it ends in farce as Trego bowls to Jones who gets one on his toes.  Trigger appeals and everyone stops (including Saggers).  The appeal is denied but the Kent batsman doesn't really start to run again and is run out at the River end!!  181 all out with Saggers on 11 and Jones not out on 43 at the start of the 34th.

A good win - mostly because of the bowling performance against a decent Kent line-up rather than batting against a scratch Kent pace and slow attack.  Excellent figures from Banks. Excellent aggression with bat and ball Trego.  Some clever bowling from Alfonso and solid support in both disciplines from Zander - a victory by 110 runs and done with 3.5 overs to spare.  Maximum points ibn a one day competition who would have thunk it!!

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The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Grockles.com (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 10:08

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Kent on Sunday
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2009 19:50

The latest news from Kent is that new overseas signing Wayne Parnell, the 19-year-old left-arm quickie who looked impressive for South Africa in the recent one-day series against Australia, is unlikely to be in this country in time to play against Somerset on Sunday.

The hold-up, as in the case of a number of other overseas cricketers, is the new Home Office UK Border Agency points-based system for granting work visas for the UK. One of the requirements for South African nationals is actually to pass a written English exam, and the whole procedure is very time-consuming.

Graham Ford, Kent`s South African coach, has been trying to get his visa since March and is still waiting with the cricket season already entering its third week.

Re: Kent on Sunday
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2009 20:11

How sad for them.

Re: Kent on Sunday
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2009 21:19

How did ours get through without these problems then? Zander is here? Alfonso is here? Did we just get our act together better?



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Re: Kent on Sunday
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2009 21:40

Yes, Grockle: visas for South Africans we can handle.
It's work permits for Malaysians we struggle with!
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Re: Kent on Sunday
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2009 21:31

Kent have named a 13-man FPT squad for Sunday. Azhar Mahmood faces a late fitness test on a stomach strain, and the chance of South African quickie Wayne Parnell, their new overseas player, getting a visa - and a plane in time - was said to be 50-50.

The 13 are: Key, Denley, van Jaarsveld, Kemp, Stevens, G. Jones, Mahmood, Hockley, Tredwell, Ferley, Parnell, Saggers and Edwards.

Re: Kent on Sunday
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2009 22:39

The match is being covered by Apple AM and BC Kent I believe. NO idea about Somerset Sound.

Somerset will not want to change a winning team and everyone is available;

Trescothick, Kieswetter, Langer, Hildreth, de Bruyn,Suppiah, Trego, Banks, Thomas, Phillips, Willoughyby

You would expect that will be the line-up we expect to see?



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Re: Kent on Sunday
Posted by: bloke (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 07:44

Pretty wet at HQ this morning.

Re: Kent on Sunday
Posted by: east coker (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 08:47

Am just about to leave Minehead - can anyone give me a weather update from Taunton please.

Re: Kent on Sunday
Posted by: Sloop John B (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 09:27

Overcast - with showers. Likely to be interruption to play I would think.

Re: Kent on Sunday
Posted by: bloke (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 09:31

Grey, but dry. Going to be one of those days I think.

Re: Kent on Sunday
Posted by: bloke (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 09:48

Just heard on Radio Kent that it's an 11:15 start

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 10:14

Nope the inspection has decided that it's a 12 noon start. Even though the dangerous conditions are not dangerous enough to stop both sides practising and playing touch rugby on one area that was covered at 10:15!!

There's a strong likelyhood that the rain will come in and we'll see no play then!! Bah humbug.



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Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: bloke (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 10:23

Throwing it down now, humbug.

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 10:26

Yep raining here now and the covers are going on again



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Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 10:29

I could not believe it when I turned on cricinfo. It's the most glorious sunny day her on Tyneside.

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 10:47

Dry and sunny in South London too. Very frustrating.



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Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 10:56

Play may start at 12:30. 40 overs per side. All the covers are on at the moment and it's grey as hell.

Interval between 3:18 and 3:38

Don't hold your breath waiting. They've played unstopped in Bristol since the start....ho hum



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Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 11:19

Nice and sunny in Saltford.Having dinner outside.

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 11:21

Looks like we're gonna start.......keep everything crossed.

12:45 planned start 38 overs but brollies going up as I type. Our side is as stated and we're gonna bat after losing the toss.



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Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 11:48

And Craig is yorked the first ball he faces from Lee



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Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 12:08

Marcus likes Mark Saggers!!



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Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 12:24

Can't get anything but music on Apple. the channel recommended above, but BBC Kent is providing the needful.



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Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 12:46

Well there's a person in there with headphones on so they are broadcasting to someone. I'll check the link.

It is difficult to find a link via Apple so we've asked Guy in the office to provide it on the SCCC website. It should be there now and I've updated the link on the thread as well.



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Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 13:14

I'm listening on Apple

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 13:48

I can only get BBC Kent.

Trigger proving his worth again I see.

Brilliant.

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 13:56

Do you reckon he's any good, BJ?



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Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 13:56

Peter Trego is taking them on big time.



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Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 13:59

He's far too good for England.

the only reason they don't pick him is because they're scared he'll show the show ponies up.

True that you know.

He's taking the Mickey,proper job.

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 14:27

Agreed entirely, BJ.

But that Langer's not much good, is he? He hasn't scored a run in the FPT all year.



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Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 14:30

No future for the boy Langer I'm afraid.

These Middlesex rejects we offer a good home to always let us down.

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 14:35

Nice one,Charl.

Thank you Mr Key.

Sounds like a great catch from Banger.

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 14:37

We've only used five batsmen all summer and two of them haven't been out yet.



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Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 14:45

Championship winning form I'd say.

Denly slogging.A lucky six as I write.

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 14:45

Trigger needs to learn to score a bit quicker instead of scratching around at the wicket.

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 14:48

We'll be calling him Barnacle before long.

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 15:03

Pete does the business yet again.

How long will it be before the selectors open their eyes and see sense?

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 15:03

Looks like a belting batting performance again from all concerned (CK is forgiven, given he has made just a few runs to date !!).

BBC shows Kent at 50-1 after 8, so two questions to those of you in attendance:

1) How is the weather looking ?

2) How are we on the D/L at the moment (or doesn't that kick in until after 10 overs ?).

Grizzzly

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 15:05

Weather is sunny at the moment Grizzly

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 15:07

It's very bright way down West,no rain about here.

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 15:14

It's grey everywhere but no threat of rain and the cloud isn't shifting.



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Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 15:15

Sounds good.

What about D/L ?

Grizzzly

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 15:20

Any news of Andy Caddicks troublesome 'side' at the Ground today ?

Sorry about the stream of q's - but have to keep you chaps on your toes !

Grizzzly

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 15:28

The radio (BBC Somerset) gives the impression that Phillips is injured without having batted or bowled - now that takes some doing I feel.

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 15:34

Thomas has just comprehensively bowled Hockley for 26 at 95 for 3



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Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 15:36

Not only do I believe that I can hear Mister Tractor over the radio waves, but it coincides with a wicket for Alfonso.

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 15:40

and another for Banks 104 for 4.

Seems Ben injured himself warming up for the Kent innings. Nothing seemed obvious from here - he was just stretching really but it can happen at the wierdest of times. As anyone who saw the Everton game yesterday will testify with Jagielka (?) who pulled a cruciate in his knee(?) turning with no-one near him and will miss the FA Cup Final as a result.



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Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 15:46

The Kent commentators are sounding very glum,I could almost feel sorry for them.
They do seem to agree that our Pete could do an all-rounders job for England in at least one form of the game.

Very sensible boys down in Kentfordshire I think.

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 15:48

Zander's de Man.

Goodbye Joe.

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 15:51

Well, looks like we are 'stuffing them' to use a technical phrase !

Grizzzly

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Fiddlesticks (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 15:52

A couple of things make me really happy about this performance regardless of result. I am delighted that we have proved that we can defend a total, albeit a big one, and today am impressed by Langer who apparently was alternating the bowlers at the start of the innings unsettling the batsmen. Hope that they can polish this off and give us a run rate boost....

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 15:57

The commentators have been full of praise for all of our lads,they've been most impressed.
Maybe Langer can win his doubters over.

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 16:02

It's curtains for Kent. They have been described as being at 6's and 7's and a shambles by the BBC Somerset commentators, who have also described Robert Key's captaincy as bizarre.

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 16:14

It's a good job we're in such fine shape,I've heard that a few of our supporters can be equally as critical of the lads when things go wrong.
I'm sure Kent will recover.

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 16:38

What a comprehensive victory - we could beat the world on this sort of form.

Well done to all.



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Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 16:50

I don't get to confidently say that we've won a game with 10 overs to go but this was done by then. Excellent bowling and fielding performance from our guys - a man down before they even started. Lots of confidence out there, not least from max wal;ler who took his two boundary catches like an old hand. Good tight bowling spell from Blackwell sorry Banks - just gave them enough rope to hang themselves and then watched them do it. Aggression from Trego and intelligence from Thomas.

Who will be called in for the Championship game. Turner has a groin strain, Phillips had a back spasm and will be assessed tomorrow for Tuesday and Caddick seems unlikely.

Steff back from Kent?



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Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 16:51

A fine performance indeed. Well done to them all.

I did notice that 8 of the 9 wickets we took with a bowler's name at the end of them were taken by 3 and a bit Kolpaks.
Omari is the not really Kolpak.

Is that quite clear? Any questions? Any donations?

Incidentally, is it just possible that Mr Langer knows more about the abilities of his players than people on Grockles do? Surely not.

There are more questions than answers.

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 16:59

Or 4 of the 9 wickets taken were taken by non-kolpak players and as Charl is probably qualified not to be classified sometime during this year it could be 5 of 9 were taken by non (and a bit) kolpaks...

But the point is well made and the players did the job they are employed for.



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Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 17:00

Stiff in the squad for Durham....you heard it here first!!



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Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 17:47

Stiff deserves a chance if we have those doubts.

Be a chance to assess his potential after 9 wickets v Cardiff kids.

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 18:12

Yes, indeed, well played Somerset today.

Bobstan mentioned above the wicket - taking exploits of Somerset's Kolpaks and 'others' today.

My local Sunday sports newspaper of today included a letter written by 'Exeter Member' (Name and address supplied) who bemoans the fact that the Somerset team selected for last Sunday's (and today's) Friend's Provident Trophy match, contained Seven non - English qualified (at present) players.

Those he listed are Kieswetter, Willoughby, de Bruyn, Thomas, Langer, Banks and Suppiah.

Brian Rose in his response said that Somerset's team selection policy is the right one and that the club invests circa £135,000 a year in its Academy and developing our own young players.

Rose never argued the fact that all seven are non - English qualified, but in a lengthy reply he gave the reasons why he felt that Somerset's present policy would pay dividends.

I can't find the article on line, and it is too lengthy for me to type out in full here.

I have to confess to being surprised myself to learn that only 4 of our team today are at present qualified to play for England; 1 of whom has said that his England days are numbered and another who is 35 this year.

I have to confess that despite Somerset's fine way today, I am a little saddened about the future of English County cricket.

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 18:38

Clarence the happy camper Parker is how I shall be referring to you from now on.

Why not stop at the well played Somerset?

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 18:45

Refer to me how you wish, Big Jim.

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 19:10

Just a quick post before I sort my photos out.

Good game, Good Game.

The injury to Phillips doesn’t sound too good the way I heard it.

I was told that all he did was bend down to do something and his back went, the worrying part was how easy it happen.

Let’s hope it is not as bad as it sounds.

More good comment later.



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Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 19:19

My pc crashed and swallowed my long post, so here's the short version. Brilliant win lads, shame I didn't see it but pounding the streets of London beckoned!

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 19:23

I genuinely was not making a point about Kolpaks or sub-Kolpaks. It just struck me.

I indulged in a bit of BJ's stream-of-consciousness writing. Or in my case stream of semi-consciousness.

Could be a recall for Philip Steffan, Mike.

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 21:04

Two of your five will be qualified next year Clarence (even though one of them is 35). The qualification process has been with us for a great deal of the glory days of English cricket you hope to return to

One is only not qualified because of the strange regulations and was 'English' enough to be picked to tour with an England youth squad until they found out the regulations restricted him. He will requalify and so is in the same position as our young keeper

One of them is non kolpak and has the right to ply his trade in England as a non Englishman who could qualify if he desired to qualify for an England place. These types of players have been around for a long long time also

One is our international player for 2009. So therefore is not part of this unless you suggest we remove internationals completely - changing a system that has also been around for a long time

That leaves two players who will not be able to play next year if the regulations change.

Your argument is?

Who wasn't playing today who would have been?

Our 30 plus Welshman?

Our Glasonbury spinner who has yet to pass Omari (our eligible to play in England player who has paid his dues through the seconds system like every other Somerset player) in terms of bowling prowess?

Should we have played him and possibly not taken the three wickets perhaps?

Two other players who were injured.

Our 30 plus Englishman (who was playing but was injured in the wwrm up) and his younger injured colleague

Not sure what your point was rather than the slightly distasteful "non English" aspect.

The regulations are the regulations. If you fear for English cricket maybe you should welcome the changes coming in next year and praise

a) that we have cricketers who aren't mercenaries

b) that we have "English" resources we use when they produce the goods and decent honest competition from players who seem to play for the county rather than the moeny to promote them to do so.

or is that too much to ask?



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Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 21:04

A very good display of batting and bowling today.

It was great to see Banks give a good bowling and fielding performance, the best I have seen him do.

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This is Lee being bowled by Thomas.

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Along with Trescothick, Hildreth, De Bruyn this is Trego playing one of his many shots today.

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Tredwell ct Kieswetter bld Banks.

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Hockley couldn’t keep this one out from Thomas.

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Denly bld de Bruyn

As I said a good all round performance with bat, ball and fielding.



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Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 21:11

I've said it before, but you sure take a mean picture.

Thanks as always, Mike.

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 21:21

Tremendous result & performance all round. Can't ask for more than everyone turned in today.

What's the scoop re Phillips & Caddick one wonders ?

Having said that, we do seem to have the 'm' with us at the moment, with or without Caddick & I'm not sure Ben was ever fundamental to our aspirations this year - was he ?

Kent sounded a pretty abject lot today, but you can only beat the opposition in front of you & we certainly did that with great aplomb !

Grizzzly

P.S. Was Steffan present today ? If so, which dressing room was he in & whose colours was he wearing ??!!



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Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 21:53

Didn't see Steff Grizz but didn't actually look. He wasn't playing for Kent so if he was here he probably wasn't in any colours.

Phillips had a back spasm and probably won't be available for Tuesday

Caddick is having another injection tomorrow but the way this was given to us suggests he isn't ready yet.

Turner has a groin strain but no-one seems sure how much of a problem that is.



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Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 22:28

If, once again, I can ask that you re - read my post, Grockle, you will observe that I wrote "non - English qualified", not "non - English."

Why should any well - balanced person regard that as "slightly distasteful"? Or are you now going to imply that the term "well - balanced" is distasteful?

Clearly, you profess to know about "the changes coming in next year". Well, congratulations, because it would appear that Brian Rose himself does not know for sure.

In the article that I mentioned, he is quoted as saying: -

"We did take advantage of the Kolpak ruling to sign Charl Willoughby, Alfonso Thomas and Zander de Bruyn, who all played key roles for us last season. With our rivals using the regulations to strengthen their squads, I felt we had to do likewise to achieve success in the short term."

Later in the long article, he said: -

"I fully understand the concern over Kolpak signings and I am part of the ECB committee, who are intent on ensuring that counties field more and more home produced players."

So, is he saying in effect that Somerset signed Kolpaks as a quick fix, and now he is sitting on a committee to work out how to rid the English game of them? You tell me.

Perhaps you find the term "home produced players" slightly distasteful as well, Grockle.

Your 4th. paragraph states, "if the regulations change (next year)." Your final paragraph more assertively states that they will change next year.

Brian Rose would not appear to be so confident, despite sitting on an ECB committee, and neither am I in view of employment legislation etc. So why are you or not confident in view of the conflicting remarks to which I have referred?

I know that there are already financial incentives to encourage counties to play more 'home grown' players, but have we yet reached the stage (notwithstanding any possible court rulings) that dictate who may or may not play for a county?

The letter in the newspaper from 'Exeter member’, which I mentioned, was referring to the selection of the team for last Sunday (and as it happens this week as well). Last week and today are a part of this year not next year. There is still a deal of uncertainty over next year, I feel. But even should that not transpire to be the case, the fact remains that we have fielded a side from which only 4 players are eligible to play for England this year.

As you quite rightly say, my learned friend, "the regulations are the regulations."

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 22:37

You have made more than a simple 'typo' edit to your post of 22:04 I observe, Grockle.

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2009 22:46

And your argument is what Clarence?

What is it you fear for?

The kolpak regulations will change next year irrespective of whether Brian Rose knows what they are or not

Four of the players you quote as being part of the reasons you "fear" are part of systems that have been part of the game since well before I started watching it and two of them are players working towards English qualification.

Should we not play them because they are working towards that? Or is it a case of not picking them until they qualify

Who would you play from our staff in the places of the other two and on what basis?

That the alternatives were born on the soil of our island or that they are better players?

I only ask because you don't seem to be too keen to answer such questions but would rather play with words to make whatever point it is you are making about 'qualification'.

However, in your argument I assume the words 'English qualified' and 'English' are the same because within the context they both refer to the status of the cricketers in question. That is distasteful to me.

That a cricketer plying his trade within the regulations AND in an honest manner being happy to be picked on merit should be questioned because of his birthplace in a way that suggests he is responsible for some crime against English cricket.

I'll go back to a premise suggested a long long time ago on this point. If our 'English qualified' players wish to play in our first team they are quite eligible to do that.

All they have to be is the best player we have in that position. If someone else is there then they need to pass that person and if they are picked on any other criteria then the overall strength of the Somerset first team will suffer. How that is better for English cricket is beyond me.

I was born in Worksop. At no point in my life did I see that as a reason why I should be picked for Nottinghamshire.

PS Don't understand your comment about the earlier post Clarence. I cleaned it up and expanded the points where I thought it necessary.

Again I don't understand your point. Please don't imply. Please come out and say what it is you mean rather than these ambiguous comments which suggest lots and say nothing,



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Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2009 06:48

I'm confused, which is difficult, but we do seem to be very unlucky with our fast bowlers sustaining early season injuries. Are we concentrating enough on strengthening their bodies, rather than worrying about how fast and accurately they can bowl?

At the end of last season I clammoured for a new fast bowler. We are all excited by our batting form and we are doing pretty well, with our one day bowling, but can we take 20 wickets in the CC?

With respect I doubt Mr Jones is the answer, but I love for him to prove me wrong.

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Brother Of (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2009 06:52

Well played lads,we have had a very positive start to our one day cricket lets hope we can continue this into our next championship game.
I know i go on about it but surely the selectors have a map and have some idea where Taunton is!!!
Two guys who are stand outs at this moment in time are pete and hildy and surely there performances over the past 2/3 years have to be noticed at some stage.
England lacking in the middle order,simple answer get hildy in, he is in form and that is what Flower wants from players,and obviously with freddie out why not give pete a chance at 6/7 and if that means Prior bats at 6 just to see how pete goes then so be it.
Come on selectors the M5 does go past Bristol!!!



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Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2009 07:31

I don't think you'll find too many on here disagreeing with you, Sam.

How's your own cricket going?

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2009 08:15

They have trouble getting TO Bristol Bof! If we have perferformances like we've had in the past few days on a regular basis they may have to get the maps out but .....don't hold your breath.



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Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: bloke (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2009 08:27

A Great day to be at the Ground (isn't that always the case?).

Highlights included The Emperor's assured class and Mr Trego's hugely entertaining and creative knock in the latter overs. Sadly I missed Banger's 'shock and awe' early on, but you can't have it all.

Also nice to see Tractor/Grockle and a few gang members again after the long long winter of malcontent.

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2009 08:35

Botham seems to be suggesting in his posting earlier today that yet another Somerset failing is our inability to look after our fast bowlers. Yet early season injuries and niggles for quickies have been part of the game since time immemorial.

Just look at the other counties. More than three-quarters were without key fast bowlers last week or yesterday because of injury, with Kent obviously suffering most with the absence of Simon Cook, Azhar Mahmood, Robbie Joseph and Amjad Khan.

A run-down of the injuries at other counties is just as revealing (almost all automatic 1st XI choices):

Derbyshire (Ian Hunter); Durham (Mark Davies); Glamorgan (Alex Wharf); Glo`shire (James Franklin); Lancashire (the most famous of them all); Middlesex (Tim Murtagh); Notts (Ryan Sidebottom, Darren Pattinson); Surrrey (Jimmy Ormond); Sussex (Jason Lewry); Warwickshire (Neil Carter, James Anyon); Worcestershire (Simon Jones, Kabir Ali), Yorkshire (Naved-ul-Hasan).

Only Essex, Hampshire, Leicestershire and Northants seemed to have escaped, although two of those have quickies at the IPL. But that`s another story.

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2009 09:06

If you were listening to BBC radio Kent yesterday you'd have heard their presenters read out and discuss an e-mail I sent in regarding Pete's chances of selection for the England squad.
At first there was surprise,they all said they'd never have thought they'd have heard the words Trego and England mentioned in the same sentence but when they discussed it they all agreed that he could do a job in one of the shorter formats of the game.
They were hugely impressed with him yesterday though still seemed a little resentful that he had left them,referring to him as one of their own all the time.
They seemed to think he'd maybe struggle in the Test side but didn't dismiss it entirely.
So,his performances have swayed some of the more,shall we say conservative cricket watchers over.
Who knows,maybe news of his exploits will filter through to the seemingly deaf and blind selectors in London.
Let's hope so.

By the way all commentators yesterday wanted to see him back in goal for Margate Town.
They were relegated the day before,much to the dismay of the supporters at the ground.

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2009 09:17

Weymouth could have done with him on Friday night!

I think any England prospect has to prove his prospects with consistent perfomances. We all know he can be a match winner, but he has proved consistency.

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2009 09:28

Quote:
cj-m
...........although two of those have quickies at the IPL. But that`s another story.

Although "the most famous of them all" isn't missing from Lancs primarily due to his injury is he, mouse?

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2009 09:40

This isn't a post about "It was better in the old days." In many ways it wasn't.

But why do fast bowlers now get injured more frequently than they used? No, I have no statistics to prove this, but I am sure it is the case.

People like Fred and Brian Statham and big Alec Bedser seemed to bowl more overs in a season than quicks do today, but rarely broke down.

Is it the sedentary lifestyle of youngsters today? Is it a difference in run-ups and bowling actions? Could the change in the no-ball law even have had an effect? I don't really think, before any replies come in, that Brian, Alec, Keith Miller, Lindwall etc came from down coal mines!!

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2009 09:58

One point would be that whilst these players bowled more overs in season, they may not have bowled so many in a calendar year. They got their winters off unless the toured, but even a tour would involve fewer overs than a season of club cricket in SA or Aus which they all seem to play now. Fred didn't play grade cricket during our winters, did he?
The other factor that I think may be significant is that we think of pitches having become harder as only affecting batsmen, but the delivery stride, where the forces acting on the bowlers body are greatest now takes place on virtual concrete all of the time.

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2009 10:10

Yes, both your main points seem valid, FE.

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2009 10:10

I put it down to not having free school milk.

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2009 10:45

It's Mrs Thatcher who has killed cricket.



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Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Kentish Townie (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2009 16:26

Very interesting posts on the fast bowler injury situation; we're certainly not unique in having problems in this regard. Durham may be favourites for the CC simply because they have the only decent seam attack in the land.

Our outcricket seems to have been excellent in this game, though Phillips is a worry. I can see both Stiff and Thomas coming in for the next CC game.

I think the overall point is that its become so much more of a batsman's game in recent years, see the big and rapid scoring and the problems bowlers face. It's not just at Taunton although it may manifest itself most obviously here.

I do think uncovered wickets are worth looking at.

Re the Kolpak argument, I agree with CP is it is very disappointing to see so few home grown players although the situation looks a bit more positive than a year ago and there does seem to be a recognition it should change. But is is it me or do the "overseas" players get injured or lose for less often..?

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2009 16:35

Quote:
I can see both Stiff and Thomas coming in for the next CC game.

Since they're both named in a 12-man squad that also includes the doubtful Phillips, this hardly qualifies as prescience, KT! winking smiley

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2009 17:06

Stiff isn't ready for this.

We should have brought Jones back from Kent. There are gambles and then there are gambles and this is too much too early IMHO.



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Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2009 17:22

It's a bit of vote of no confidence in our Steff.

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2009 17:52

Or a vote of confidence in (with the greatest respect to Steff) one for the future.
He's as ready for this IMHO as Turner.
He 24 and he's fit..........and if he ain't ready now, he ain't ever gonna be!

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2009 18:12

Stiff to tear them up, he's got plenty to prove, great chance for him.
Thomas deserves a go too, impressed with his 4 day bowling in 2nd half of last season.
Bring on the champions to Taunton...

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2009 18:26

Abolutely FE. I was promoting Mr Stiff, after his exploits last week, but it's still sad for Steffan and would suggest he may not return.

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2009 18:37

Well good luck to him but lets not get over excited over a number of wickets against students on a club wicket.

It isn't Durham at Taunton second championship match of the season and he hasn't bowled much on that wicket.

And FE(judging by snatches of conversation during the wariwckshire game), there are those who don't believe that Turner is ready yet either and probably wouldn't be in at this pont of the season if Caddick was fit.

I think you may be right though Botham. If this isn't a time to take the option and call Steffan back to do his county duty then what is? Maybe the "doom merchants" had a better take on things than some (including me) believed.



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Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2009 18:50

Absolutely accept all of that, Grockle. But it was equally a club wicket on which two of our batsmen made 140+ in good time, and on which he significantly outperformed (on a like-for-like basis at least in the first innings) the other name in the frame.
I'm excited, within reason, by that potential.



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Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2009 18:59

Lets hope he surprise us all and Durham, and take ten in the match.



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Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2009 19:02

Well he's certainly not got anything to lose



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Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Kentish Townie (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2009 19:36

Golly if Grockles is sounding apprehensive, things must be tricky!

Will be really interesting to see how a top class seam attack performs at Taunton.

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2009 19:48

Would that be the top class seam attck (minus Plunkett) who only managed 17 Yorkshire wickets in 4 full days at seamer-friendly Chester-le-Street? No chance on the bowler's graveyard, then.

Once again, KT, it sounds like you are hoping we fail.

Who is it you claim to support again?



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Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2009 19:52

Fear not,Stiff will be just fine and we're going to rip them to shreds.
I predict we win by an innings.

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2009 20:02

Incidentally the programs for the FPT were £2.50

I only want a list of the teams.

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2009 20:14

yes, very sneaky as club only announce changes, so you've no way of knowing the full team when on the ground without buying a program.

The oprograms are fairly interesting but for those who just want a scorecard £2.50 is very steep.

Maybe a doubling up of 2 matches in each programme would be more sensible, unlikely though id suggest as would mean club dont get as much £ out of us...

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2009 20:42

Join the EBC and get a free programme!

Re: The Kentmen Cometh
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2009 20:49

It's not "free" dude you pay through the nose for it!!



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