Man of the Moment - ZdB
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Man of the Moment - ZdB
By Grockle
June 15 2009
It's a long way home for the ocunty first team. Partly because of the T20 Cup fixtures and partly because the women's T20 World Cup has taken over Taunton, the side haven't played anything more than 3 hours of cricket at home since the end of May. That means C1 games away from base for most of June from the North to the South East coast. Here's some of the story.
Man of the Moment - ZdB
June 15 2009
It's a long way home for the ocunty first team. Partly because of the T20 Cup fixtures and partly because the women's T20 World Cup has taken over Taunton, the side haven't played anything more than 3 hours of cricket at home since the end of May. That means C1 games away from base for most of June from the North to the South East coast. Here's some of the story.
v Lancashire CC1 @ Old Trafford Saturday 6 June 2009
D Day plus 65 years and not really given a chance by the elements. There was no play at all on the first day with Lancashire winning the toss and choosing to bat - which they actually got to do on the Sunday.
Justin chose a Championship side, the format of which had been ripe for speculation after the moderately successful T20 campaign.
Trescothick and Suppiah took the opening places (suggesting a short period of time probably left for Neil Edwards as a member of the Somerset squad). The skipper himself,James Hildreth, Zander de Bruyn, Peter Trego and Craig Kieswetter also maintained their places. The bowling was spinner-less - no place for Munday or Wall, no backup batting from Durston. He went in with four seamers - Phillips, Thomas, Stiff and Willoughby.
One has to assume that spin was realy not an option and that Suppiah would have been brought in for that option should it be required. As it was it actually wasn't and the seamers did fine - especially the relative 'newbie' David Stiff who produced a 20 over spell taking 4 for 72 - not to be sniffed at! Thomas, Trego and Suppiah catered for the other batsmen all producing good tight spells holding the Lightening go 281 all out.
Our reply was also quite good. Trescothick hit 5 short of a century and was supported well by his partner (first wicket partnership 131), Hildreth, Kieswetter and Ben Phillips. Despite hitting 343, the game ran out of time and ended with the Lancastrians 6 down for 191 (three wickets for Zander de Bruyn).
10 points versus the home sides' 9 but still only a draw.
v Yorkshire CC1 @ Headingley Thursday 11 June 2009
Hands up those who would have put money on this result at the halfway stage? Over the 'Hill' to Carnegie and Yorkshire. A better weather forecast and the expectation of the usual hard fought game against the Tykes.
In comes some spin at the expense of Phillips. Mike Munday starts - no other changes and therefore a higher expectation on the batting front line because of the relative weaker 'tail'.
Once more we lose the toss and the home side take the batting strip first nd we toil for the first day as Yorkshire notch up 277 by the early part of Day 2. Phenomenal figures from Charl Willoughby with 23 and a hlf overs, 11 maidens taking 3 for 30 and he is ably supported by Alfonso Thomas (or as the Yorkshire commentators call him 'Arlo') with 3 for 48 off his 20 overs. Ineffectual batting against some patchy bowling but Munday taking 2 for 68 seemed significant.
Day 2 saw us falling to pieces once again in the first innings. We staggered from 30 for 4 to 97 for 6 before "Arlo" joined Kieswetter and pumped some runs into the stricken score with an unbeaten 64 to add to the keeper's 83 and Stiff's final but vital 28. We got ourselves over 200 and stayed in this game but started the second half of it with a defecit.
Yorkshire however did not take advantage as Charl led his bowling comrades to a solid rather than stupendous second inings performance. They made it very hard to score and kept on taking wickets - 3 to him and 2 to most others - including two significant ones for Munday. We kept them to 248 and gave ourselves 5 sessions to rack up just under 300 for our first Championship win.
We lost Suppiah early but the skipper steadied the side until the end of Day 3 and moved the score to 131 before Banger was removed. After losing Hildreth cheaply, the captain went just before 50 but had established de Bruyn in driving seat and he marshalled the resources to the finish line scoring 70 himself and seeing us home with Thomas to win by 4 wickets with plenty of time. 18 points and a real solid victory. Good stuff.
v Sussex CC1 @ Hove Tuesday 16 June 2009
Warm sunshine and the prospect of a good game on the south coast. Some surprises in the squad selection. Mike Munday returns home to play in a seconds game. To tighten up perhaps? No Caddick who is still 'testing his fitness' and will play in the same seconds game in preparation for a return at home against Yorkshire? So Max Waller is called in and Omari Banks is also named in the squad.
One would assume that it will be one of the two new entrants to the squad in the spin department who will lose out.
Trescothick, Suppiah, Langer, de Bruyn, Hildreth, Kieswetter, Trego is almost certain
Thomas and Willoughby will join them and as Ben Phillips has also been sent home (to 'keep playing'??) it should be expected that Stiff will keep his place. So the number eleven spot will be between Waller and Banks.
Personally I'd like to see the young local boy get the spot but we may go for the extra experience of the tall West Indian against heavy opposition. If the pitch is very dry then Stiff may sit it out as Thomas is far too useful with the bat to sacrifice in a much longer tail.
2 spinners? Don't think so. If it was that spin friendly one would have expected Munday to have stayed. We'll see just before eleven.
And we did! Waller got the nod. We won the toss and batted. It seemed a good decision as we got to 138 for the first wicket and Trescothick hit 109 along with 92 for Trego, a half ton for Zander and one less for Arul Suppiah. That got us to 314 for 9 at the end of the first day and stolid defence by Charl Willoughby turned that into 367 before they got rid of us.
Sussex probably expected to get near to our score with the five-fer to their young spin wizard Chawla and our spin option on his debut. Unfortunately they hadn't planned for the continued development of Alfonso Thomas as a Championship bowler who took his own five-fer and in doing so helped us reduce the home side to 197 with only the returning Matt Prior going over 50. In the process, our own spin man Max Waller took his first Championship wicket of Smith.
So we go into the second phase 170n runs ahead with plenty of time. A good second belt could give us this one and we have done better in our second innings usually this season. But it doesn't start well and at 97 for 4 there are questions about what kind of score would give Sussex a chance and whether we can reach that!
With Arul (finally reaching the half ton he has been looking for all season) high scoring we only reach 178. This doubles the first innings ask of the Sharks but there are people in their side who can do much better than they did first time through. They have the time, do we have the bowling resources to take all ten wickets?
At 134 for 3 with Nash well established, it looks ropey but Willoughby and Thomas rip out the middle order while Nash passes 3 figures. No one can stay with him and the attempt to win becomes and attempt to survive and even that ends against the solid bowling of our 6 with Stiff, de Bruyn and Trego adding a wicket each. Sussex succumb at 313 and lose by 35 runs.
More points and a third place with Yorkshire at home on the 30th....on we go.
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Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 30/05/2009 09:12
We're nearly there folks - back to proper cricket.
Question: Don't Brian Rose and Justin Langer have to make a decision quite soon - or even this week - as to what our overall strategy for CC cricket this season is going to be?
So far this season, we've carried an extra bowler in the side, I would say.
This is, presumably, designed to help us win games. But we've not come close to winning any.
At the same time, we have been sadly lacking in terms of first-innings batting in our last two games.
Broadly speaking, there are two survival strategies - try to pick an attacking team and pick up enough wins to stay up, or concentrate on high-scoring draws, with maximum points (which means batting properly in first-innings).
I hate to say it, but I think we might be better off trying to follow the second strategy - putting a weight of runs on the board and then hoping that scoreboard pressure, or some help from the weather (e.g. muggy conditions to help Charl and Pete swing it) can help us to win after making a good first innings score.
For this game at Old Trafford, I think we simply have to gamble on our one of our wrist-spinners instead of Banks. I don't think Banks, even on a helpful surface, is likely to win us the game. And I don't think he's liable to help us to a big first innings score either.
I think I'd go with the following team;
Banger
Edwards
Langer
Hildreth
Zander
Craig
Durston
Pete
Phillips (if fit)
MKM/Waller
Willow
As you can see, that would be a pretty strong batting side (I'm assuming Arul is injured) but Zander would have to play as fourth seam bowler, and Wes might have to help out our leggie with some extra spin.
If we cannot get a decent first innings score with that side, then we won't get one, IMO, with any combination of players that is available to us.
Turner and Caddick will, I think, be unfit.
I considered Stiff, but decided he'd probably be rusty. Plus, Phillips is also a very big man, so should be able to take some advantage of the lift anyway, plus is more reliable from an accuracy stand-point.
I have to say, though, that I'm, sadly, not expecting to see Neil Edwards in the actual team picked and I think Langer will gamble on Stiff, rustiness or no.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2009:06:10:13:33:24 by Grockle.
Question: Don't Brian Rose and Justin Langer have to make a decision quite soon - or even this week - as to what our overall strategy for CC cricket this season is going to be?
So far this season, we've carried an extra bowler in the side, I would say.
This is, presumably, designed to help us win games. But we've not come close to winning any.
At the same time, we have been sadly lacking in terms of first-innings batting in our last two games.
Broadly speaking, there are two survival strategies - try to pick an attacking team and pick up enough wins to stay up, or concentrate on high-scoring draws, with maximum points (which means batting properly in first-innings).
I hate to say it, but I think we might be better off trying to follow the second strategy - putting a weight of runs on the board and then hoping that scoreboard pressure, or some help from the weather (e.g. muggy conditions to help Charl and Pete swing it) can help us to win after making a good first innings score.
For this game at Old Trafford, I think we simply have to gamble on our one of our wrist-spinners instead of Banks. I don't think Banks, even on a helpful surface, is likely to win us the game. And I don't think he's liable to help us to a big first innings score either.
I think I'd go with the following team;
Banger
Edwards
Langer
Hildreth
Zander
Craig
Durston
Pete
Phillips (if fit)
MKM/Waller
Willow
As you can see, that would be a pretty strong batting side (I'm assuming Arul is injured) but Zander would have to play as fourth seam bowler, and Wes might have to help out our leggie with some extra spin.
If we cannot get a decent first innings score with that side, then we won't get one, IMO, with any combination of players that is available to us.
Turner and Caddick will, I think, be unfit.
I considered Stiff, but decided he'd probably be rusty. Plus, Phillips is also a very big man, so should be able to take some advantage of the lift anyway, plus is more reliable from an accuracy stand-point.
I have to say, though, that I'm, sadly, not expecting to see Neil Edwards in the actual team picked and I think Langer will gamble on Stiff, rustiness or no.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2009:06:10:13:33:24 by Grockle.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Kentish Townie (IP Logged)
Date: 30/05/2009 10:36
Sadly there is no way this team will take enough wickets to win a game.
It would need Munday, who I think should play, to have a dream game to win.
On one hand I would say play the extra seamer instead of Durston. But who? Would Stiff really make a difference? If Caddick and Turner are unfit thedre isn't anyone else.
The club has only itself to blame for this situation; for a leap of faith on Caddick's fitness when he should have retired, for loaning Jones for mysterious reasons we're still not told, and for creating a home cricketing environment entirely hostile to bowlers of any kind.
Some of us said over and over again we had to work out ways of taking wickets in the CC and the club has simply failed to grasp the nettle.
It would need Munday, who I think should play, to have a dream game to win.
On one hand I would say play the extra seamer instead of Durston. But who? Would Stiff really make a difference? If Caddick and Turner are unfit thedre isn't anyone else.
The club has only itself to blame for this situation; for a leap of faith on Caddick's fitness when he should have retired, for loaning Jones for mysterious reasons we're still not told, and for creating a home cricketing environment entirely hostile to bowlers of any kind.
Some of us said over and over again we had to work out ways of taking wickets in the CC and the club has simply failed to grasp the nettle.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 30/05/2009 10:40
I'm sure they know that they have to figure out a way, KT, it's the "how," that is problematic...
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 30/05/2009 11:30
Re the Steffan thing "loaning Jones for mysterious reasons we're still not told", I really can't see any mystery here of any sort.
We had Willoughby, Turner, Caddick, Phillips, Thomas and Trego all ahead of Steff in the running for 3 or 4 seamers' spots, plus David Stiff on a two-month trial during which he needed (to be fair to him) at least a couple 4-day games to show what he could do, and some young spinners to get into the game. I'm sure Steff wanted to play cricket, Kent had a need - ergo, obvious solution.
I really fail to see the mystery, let alone the whiff of conspiracy which some seem to attach to Steff's one-month loan.
We had Willoughby, Turner, Caddick, Phillips, Thomas and Trego all ahead of Steff in the running for 3 or 4 seamers' spots, plus David Stiff on a two-month trial during which he needed (to be fair to him) at least a couple 4-day games to show what he could do, and some young spinners to get into the game. I'm sure Steff wanted to play cricket, Kent had a need - ergo, obvious solution.
I really fail to see the mystery, let alone the whiff of conspiracy which some seem to attach to Steff's one-month loan.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 30/05/2009 12:01
There was no mystery from Steff's point of view either. Go to Kent and prove yourself. Come back and put it into practice.
That was what he saw it as and that is what he seemed very determined to do.
If Steff doesn't play then there is no mystery. He is either injured or he is not in the top four/five bowlers in terms of performances.
Not my perfect scenario because I enjoy seeing Steff on the pitch but you have to accept it because that is the way it is.
If that is the way it remains and Steff believes he can do better then at least the county is allowing him to be seen by other counties rather than sitting on the sidelines and not playing.
Surely you have to give a bowler targets even if he isn't performing at a level that will get him in the side yet? How is that a conspiracy?
That was what he saw it as and that is what he seemed very determined to do.
If Steff doesn't play then there is no mystery. He is either injured or he is not in the top four/five bowlers in terms of performances.
Not my perfect scenario because I enjoy seeing Steff on the pitch but you have to accept it because that is the way it is.
If that is the way it remains and Steff believes he can do better then at least the county is allowing him to be seen by other counties rather than sitting on the sidelines and not playing.
Surely you have to give a bowler targets even if he isn't performing at a level that will get him in the side yet? How is that a conspiracy?
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 30/05/2009 16:16
tres, edwards, hildy, zander, jl, craig, pete, ben, caddy, max, willow
me for edwards to come in as opener
max deserves chance, banks doesnt look like ever taking big wickets to me, max is great fielder too.
caddy offers something a bit different. ideally i'd like turner in but hear he's not fit enough to last 4 days?
need 20 wickets some how
me for edwards to come in as opener
max deserves chance, banks doesnt look like ever taking big wickets to me, max is great fielder too.
caddy offers something a bit different. ideally i'd like turner in but hear he's not fit enough to last 4 days?
need 20 wickets some how
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 30/05/2009 16:54
I don't think there's a serious prospect of Caddy being fit for June 6, though, WSM?
p.s. The Times claims that Pete was limping yesterday?? Does anyone know anything about that?
p.s. The Times claims that Pete was limping yesterday?? Does anyone know anything about that?
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 30/05/2009 17:54
caddy seemed to the'd be fit but i suppose he still thinks he's best bowler in the country so best off to wait for rose comments on a likely return date.
if turner is fully fit i'd play him then, we nd wickets, he's our quickest bowler, if a little expensive at times
if turner is fully fit i'd play him then, we nd wickets, he's our quickest bowler, if a little expensive at times
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 30/05/2009 18:23
Trigger pulled up on a run during batting but seemed better later on.
Definites for OT
Trescothick
Hildreth
de Bruyn (wish it wasn't so though no criticism of Zd
Langer
Kieswetter
Trego (if he can bowl)
Phillips (if he can bowl)
Willoughby
With
Waller - he's earned the right
Edwards - wanna see him opening with MT
Turner - simply because his best performance last year was here
If
Trego isn't fit then Suppiah/Durston as backup
Edwards isn't in play then Suppiah will have to open
Turner can't play 4 days - Jones or Thomas will have to play
Caddick is fit he plays
Lots of ifs and buts there then!!
Definites for OT
Trescothick
Hildreth
de Bruyn (wish it wasn't so though no criticism of Zd
Langer
Kieswetter
Trego (if he can bowl)
Phillips (if he can bowl)
Willoughby
With
Waller - he's earned the right
Edwards - wanna see him opening with MT
Turner - simply because his best performance last year was here
If
Trego isn't fit then Suppiah/Durston as backup
Edwards isn't in play then Suppiah will have to open
Turner can't play 4 days - Jones or Thomas will have to play
Caddick is fit he plays
Lots of ifs and buts there then!!
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Kentish Townie (IP Logged)
Date: 31/05/2009 08:39
Steffan's situation is a complete mystery to most of us Grockle, unless you know something we don't.
He's loaned out to Kent, presumably because he's judged surplus to requirements, there may be other reasons, of course we don't know because the club never tells us.
Immediately he goes, with Caddick and Turner injured we're short of bowling but instead of recalling Jones we sign a completely new bowler, the unproved Stiff.
So when we're desperate for wickets, we don't have access to a bowler who though he may not make a huge difference has taken CC wickets in the past.
It's incidents like this that are leading many of us to doubt the management of the club. Anyone could see with our bowling attack and the Taunton wicket we were going to struggle this season. What's been done about it? Zilch.
He's loaned out to Kent, presumably because he's judged surplus to requirements, there may be other reasons, of course we don't know because the club never tells us.
Immediately he goes, with Caddick and Turner injured we're short of bowling but instead of recalling Jones we sign a completely new bowler, the unproved Stiff.
So when we're desperate for wickets, we don't have access to a bowler who though he may not make a huge difference has taken CC wickets in the past.
It's incidents like this that are leading many of us to doubt the management of the club. Anyone could see with our bowling attack and the Taunton wicket we were going to struggle this season. What's been done about it? Zilch.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 31/05/2009 08:52
Director of cricket Brian Rose told the club's official website: "Kent have some injury problems and approached us to see if we had anyone suitable to help.
"We recommended Steffan and he was very eager to go. It is much better for him to be playing first-team cricket than to be confined to our second eleven." [www.cricket.co.uk]
"We recommended Steffan and he was very eager to go. It is much better for him to be playing first-team cricket than to be confined to our second eleven." [www.cricket.co.uk]
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 31/05/2009 09:54
I don't see why it should be such a mystery KT- the quote from BR seems pretty clear.
He was, as you put it, surplus to requirements at the start of the season.
Caddick and Turner's injuries were not predicted surprisingly and the only thing I know that you don't is from a conversation I had with him where it seems the loan agreement was not as easy to change for the month as I thought - sorry for poo pooing the suggestion about not being able to get him back in early May.
As we played Kent twice in the month he was away it seemed difficult to slot a return in.
And what do you mean we've done ziltch!!! There's Stiff (?)
Since he's been back he seems to have picked up a niggle (rumour only) but I'd like to see him given a chance in the June away games to actually show his capability. He was definitely back to get that opportunity and was bouyed up by his reception at Kent.
This is where he wants to play his cricket but he'll go if he doesn't get some chance to do that because you gotta feed the bill machine. Now you'll probably say that is a conscious decision by the management.
I'm yet to be convinced simply because he is in a chain of bowlers and because I haven't seen him this season I can't tell you where he is in that chain.
Conspiracy? You may suggest it but I don't think it's a mystery why he hasn't played so far.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009:05:31:15:07:01 by Grockle.
He was, as you put it, surplus to requirements at the start of the season.
Caddick and Turner's injuries were not predicted surprisingly and the only thing I know that you don't is from a conversation I had with him where it seems the loan agreement was not as easy to change for the month as I thought - sorry for poo pooing the suggestion about not being able to get him back in early May.
As we played Kent twice in the month he was away it seemed difficult to slot a return in.
And what do you mean we've done ziltch!!! There's Stiff (?)
Since he's been back he seems to have picked up a niggle (rumour only) but I'd like to see him given a chance in the June away games to actually show his capability. He was definitely back to get that opportunity and was bouyed up by his reception at Kent.
This is where he wants to play his cricket but he'll go if he doesn't get some chance to do that because you gotta feed the bill machine. Now you'll probably say that is a conscious decision by the management.
I'm yet to be convinced simply because he is in a chain of bowlers and because I haven't seen him this season I can't tell you where he is in that chain.
Conspiracy? You may suggest it but I don't think it's a mystery why he hasn't played so far.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009:05:31:15:07:01 by Grockle.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 31/05/2009 12:03
Old Trafford is probably one place in the first division where the bowlers are likely to find a bit of pace and bounce, and turn later in the match - though admittedly I haven't renewed my Lancs membership this year so not seen how things are playing this season.
At the same fixture last year I remember turner, Phillips and Munday all bowling decent spells and troubling the Lancashire batters. Monty Panesar has always done well there, due more to the pace and bounce at least as much as to the amount of turn. Harmison too has usually taken wickets here - so long as he lands it obn the mown bit.
For this reason I think we should play at least one of Waller or Munday and I wouldn't completely rule out Stiff if Caddick can't play - decent pace from a 6'7" bowler may be useful. If Arul still unfit will be looking forward to seeing Edwards back at the top of the order.
At the same fixture last year I remember turner, Phillips and Munday all bowling decent spells and troubling the Lancashire batters. Monty Panesar has always done well there, due more to the pace and bounce at least as much as to the amount of turn. Harmison too has usually taken wickets here - so long as he lands it obn the mown bit.
For this reason I think we should play at least one of Waller or Munday and I wouldn't completely rule out Stiff if Caddick can't play - decent pace from a 6'7" bowler may be useful. If Arul still unfit will be looking forward to seeing Edwards back at the top of the order.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 31/05/2009 12:48
KT: I can't quote chapter and verse, but I'm as sure as eggs is eggs that Stiff was signed before Steff went to Kent.
Also: "there may be other reasons, of course we don't know because the club never tells us."...I think Mike's extract from BR above is pretty clear and comprehensive - if there's nothing else to say, there's nothing else he CAN say!
Also: "there may be other reasons, of course we don't know because the club never tells us."...I think Mike's extract from BR above is pretty clear and comprehensive - if there's nothing else to say, there's nothing else he CAN say!
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 31/05/2009 12:54
Have just seen on the Lancashire site (lccc.co.uk) that they are selling tickets for the first day of the match (Sat 6th) for £1.00!! On the gate or telephone sales only not online (0161 282 4040 Mon-Fri). Apparently there is a little rugby match just down the road the same day so traffic and parking could be a little busy too.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 31/05/2009 15:12
Stiff was on 'probation' for April/May to see if he was worth a summer contract. That contract came after his CC debut and he's now on the staff for this season.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Congar (IP Logged)
Date: 01/06/2009 03:55
I am not sure why you are talking about "survival strategies" AG, after just three CC matches.
Last year we were going for the Championship from Day 1. what has changed? Our "young" squad has had another year to come through, although of course we are missing one not insignificant player.
Can we leave it until after the midpoint of the season to start talking about "survival" and go out to win matches until then, in the belief that our squad is not only good enough for this Division but is one of the best?
Last year we were going for the Championship from Day 1. what has changed? Our "young" squad has had another year to come through, although of course we are missing one not insignificant player.
Can we leave it until after the midpoint of the season to start talking about "survival" and go out to win matches until then, in the belief that our squad is not only good enough for this Division but is one of the best?
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 01/06/2009 10:17
Realistically, Congar, the key difference is that, last year, we had momentum stemming from the promotion.
We started the season well and were in a decent position by the time of the T20 break - hence we could, indeed, say that we were 'going for the Championship.'
This year, so far, there are no current grounds for supposing that we are serious CC contenders.
"Just three games," does, of course, constitute nearly one fifth of the entire season.
Moreover, if one believes the forecast we are in for a hot summer and one would, therefore, expect spin to come to the fore.
Unless Munday and/or Waller burst to the fore (and I fervently hope with every ounce of my being that they do, then it's hard to see how turning tracks are going to help us?
Realistically, based on the season so far, I expect the competition at the wrong end of the table to be between ourselves, Worcs, Warks and Sussex (making the forthcoming game at Hove very important.)
We started the season well and were in a decent position by the time of the T20 break - hence we could, indeed, say that we were 'going for the Championship.'
This year, so far, there are no current grounds for supposing that we are serious CC contenders.
"Just three games," does, of course, constitute nearly one fifth of the entire season.
Moreover, if one believes the forecast we are in for a hot summer and one would, therefore, expect spin to come to the fore.
Unless Munday and/or Waller burst to the fore (and I fervently hope with every ounce of my being that they do, then it's hard to see how turning tracks are going to help us?
Realistically, based on the season so far, I expect the competition at the wrong end of the table to be between ourselves, Worcs, Warks and Sussex (making the forthcoming game at Hove very important.)
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 04/06/2009 15:11
Forecast is for 12 degrees on Saturday!!
Hope the players do plenty of warm-ups!
Hope the players do plenty of warm-ups!
LVCC v Lancs
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 03/06/2009 05:56
I was thinking og going to Madchester at the weekend but surprisingly yhe foecast is for rsin saturday and sunday.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009:06:05:12:38:51 by Grockle.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009:06:05:12:38:51 by Grockle.
Re: LVCC v Lancs
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 03/06/2009 08:31
Not good news.
Why could it not have rained on the hit and giggle instead?
Why could it not have rained on the hit and giggle instead?
Re: LVCC v Lancs
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 03/06/2009 08:34
It did, most of last year. We lurvvvvvvvved the sunshine, thanks very much!
Re: LVCC v Lancs
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 05/06/2009 14:17
Somerset add Michael Munday and David Stiff to the 11 that beat Northamptonshire last night for the cc match at Old Trafford tomorrow.
No Andy Caddick, who is not expected to pay cc cricket before the Sussex match at Hove on June 16, or Max Waller.
Lancashire include Mal Loye for the first time this season after a leg injury, and like us also select from 13:
Chapple, Chilton, Croft, de Plessis, Hogg, Horton, Loye, Keedy, Mahmood, Newby, Prince, Smith and Sutton.
All those who think Somerset`s prices are too high will be fascinated to learn that Manchester is celebrating `Super Saturday of Sport` tomorrow and admission at Old Trafford will be just £1. You can even swap the ticket for another match later in the season if the projected rain puts a damper on proceedings.
No Andy Caddick, who is not expected to pay cc cricket before the Sussex match at Hove on June 16, or Max Waller.
Lancashire include Mal Loye for the first time this season after a leg injury, and like us also select from 13:
Chapple, Chilton, Croft, de Plessis, Hogg, Horton, Loye, Keedy, Mahmood, Newby, Prince, Smith and Sutton.
All those who think Somerset`s prices are too high will be fascinated to learn that Manchester is celebrating `Super Saturday of Sport` tomorrow and admission at Old Trafford will be just £1. You can even swap the ticket for another match later in the season if the projected rain puts a damper on proceedings.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 05/06/2009 14:22
So, compared to the game with Notts, that would put Alfonso Thomas back in contention? I'm glad about that.
Whilst I'm somewhat inclined to agree with Grockle that Max Waller should be in on "earning it grounds," I'm also quite glad to see that a vote of confidence in Munday - of sorts - has been given.
From the above information, I would surmise that Omari Banks is not even in the party for Old Trafford?
That's a pretty poor indictment of a fairly experienced spinner on a track that often turns (albeit the forecast is poor.)
The above info, also, presumbaly means that Mark Turner is in the party too? I had thought that it had been said that he's too injured to play 4-day games. If that's no longer the case, then I'm encouarged by that.
With the exception of Waller not being in the party and the fact that Neil Edwards is still nowhere to be seen, I'm quite pleased with the party.
Whilst I'm somewhat inclined to agree with Grockle that Max Waller should be in on "earning it grounds," I'm also quite glad to see that a vote of confidence in Munday - of sorts - has been given.
From the above information, I would surmise that Omari Banks is not even in the party for Old Trafford?
That's a pretty poor indictment of a fairly experienced spinner on a track that often turns (albeit the forecast is poor.)
The above info, also, presumbaly means that Mark Turner is in the party too? I had thought that it had been said that he's too injured to play 4-day games. If that's no longer the case, then I'm encouarged by that.
With the exception of Waller not being in the party and the fact that Neil Edwards is still nowhere to be seen, I'm quite pleased with the party.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 05/06/2009 14:30
Mr Rose is talking about Stiff and Turner maybe competing for one place 'alongside our more regular seamers.' He also talks about rotating our quicks for 'three tough away games.' I wonder if Alfonso might be held out at Old Trafford, with a view to utlising his swing at Hove and Headingley - two grounds where the ball tends to swing more than OT?
Mr Rose also says that Waller needs to work on turning his leg-break more and implies that he needs to do that before being considered for the CC first XI. He places great store on MKM's ability to rip the leg-break. At the same time, he admits that Waller is steadier and more accurate.
I recall Richie Benaud and Terry Jenner both saying that the correct order of development for a young wrist-spinner should be;
1) learn to rip the leg-break as much as possible.
2) learn to pitch it accurately
3) learn the other variations
4) learn to pitch them accurately.
Mr Rose also says that Waller needs to work on turning his leg-break more and implies that he needs to do that before being considered for the CC first XI. He places great store on MKM's ability to rip the leg-break. At the same time, he admits that Waller is steadier and more accurate.
I recall Richie Benaud and Terry Jenner both saying that the correct order of development for a young wrist-spinner should be;
1) learn to rip the leg-break as much as possible.
2) learn to pitch it accurately
3) learn the other variations
4) learn to pitch them accurately.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 05/06/2009 16:00
I think it is easier to bowl more accurately if you don’t give the ball much air like Waller, sometimes Munday tosses the ball up so high it comes down with rain on it, if I tried to do that goodness knows where it would land.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 05/06/2009 16:02
Yes, I think you are right!
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 05/06/2009 19:38
think i'd go with MT and MM, give AT a rest and DS can carry the drinks.
We need wickets, they are both a little wayward but have potential to take wickets.
If MM plays though JL has to back him, decent fields and spells.
Roll on the proper stuff...
We need wickets, they are both a little wayward but have potential to take wickets.
If MM plays though JL has to back him, decent fields and spells.
Roll on the proper stuff...
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 05/06/2009 22:12
Good news and bad news
For those of you who have got used to watching their cricket with a building site in the background Old Trafford will seem like a home from home - about a quartr of the ground between the Pavilion and the Stretford end is being redeveloped (this has cut down the number of parking places so be warned).
The bad news is the local weather forecasts up here look pretty awful for Saturday and not much better for Sunday. I may go across the M62 to get my one pound ticket anyway as if the day is rained off there is always the England v Argentina rugby at the little football ground up the road - kick off is 4pm and I suspect there will be tickets available on the day (official prices are 10-40 GBP)
For those of you who have got used to watching their cricket with a building site in the background Old Trafford will seem like a home from home - about a quartr of the ground between the Pavilion and the Stretford end is being redeveloped (this has cut down the number of parking places so be warned).
The bad news is the local weather forecasts up here look pretty awful for Saturday and not much better for Sunday. I may go across the M62 to get my one pound ticket anyway as if the day is rained off there is always the England v Argentina rugby at the little football ground up the road - kick off is 4pm and I suspect there will be tickets available on the day (official prices are 10-40 GBP)
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 05/06/2009 22:57
Rain in Manchester during summer.Unheared of!
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 06/06/2009 08:29
Was anybody like me woken up by the rain this morning it was tremendous my driveway was like a river?
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 06/06/2009 08:40
Didn't go to bed.Been puddling it down here.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 06/06/2009 12:39
Looks like there might be only one day of play possible (Monday.)
It's also currently nine degrees in Manchester.
Not conditions in which it is at all easy to bowl wrist-spin.
I'd suggest we win the toss on Monday, put Lancs in and hope to bowl them out before they get their third bonus point, hopefully meaning that we would emerge from the game with at least one more point than they would.
It's also currently nine degrees in Manchester.
Not conditions in which it is at all easy to bowl wrist-spin.
I'd suggest we win the toss on Monday, put Lancs in and hope to bowl them out before they get their third bonus point, hopefully meaning that we would emerge from the game with at least one more point than they would.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 06/06/2009 15:01
Nine degrees?
Heatwave for Manchester is that.
Trego for England
Heatwave for Manchester is that.
Trego for England
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 06/06/2009 15:09
Count yourselves lucky.
It was 21C in Calgary on Thursday. It's now 9am Saturday & has been snowing for 12 hours & is Minus 2C !
Can't make my mind up whether it's the end of last winter, or the beginning of next winter !!
Ah well, they say variety is the spice of life.
Grizzzly
It was 21C in Calgary on Thursday. It's now 9am Saturday & has been snowing for 12 hours & is Minus 2C !
Can't make my mind up whether it's the end of last winter, or the beginning of next winter !!
Ah well, they say variety is the spice of life.
Grizzzly
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 06/06/2009 21:29
We've got to start gambling on Munday haven't we? We need a spinner who may take a fivefer as an option. If he's not here for that then please send him on his way and go with Max and the regular boys (including our Glastonbury Grockle) while we look for somebody for next year.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 06/06/2009 22:08
Lovely day in Warsaw, but now back home in damp Dorset.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 05:43
Heavy rain forecast in Madchester today.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 08:05
Point of order.
I have already made a mistake this year not knowing the rule changes regards to number of overs to get the bowling points.
Somebody said on here they only expect play on Monday, isn’t there a rule when so much play has been lost to the weather that a one innings match is played for the win or draw points only, or is that only for the last days play?
I have already made a mistake this year not knowing the rule changes regards to number of overs to get the bowling points.
Somebody said on here they only expect play on Monday, isn’t there a rule when so much play has been lost to the weather that a one innings match is played for the win or draw points only, or is that only for the last days play?
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 08:15
Under the old regulatuons, MB, if a match started with less than eight hours` playing time remaining (i.e. tea on the third day or later), a one-innings match was played with no first-innings points.
But I have a feeling this may have been scrapped. There is no mention of it in this year`s Wisden.
But I have a feeling this may have been scrapped. There is no mention of it in this year`s Wisden.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 08:26
Thanks Jerry, that is how I understood it.
I have had a look under the ECB rules and regulation and I can't find any reference to it. (there is a lot to read)
I have had a look under the ECB rules and regulation and I can't find any reference to it. (there is a lot to read)
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 10:18
Lancashire have won the toss and are batting. David Stiff plays but no Munday or Turner.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 11:01
Stiff got Smith out after only two balls bowled.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 11:06
Not a bad start for the unproved (sic) Stiff!
Hello everyone: back from a glorious week in Cornwall.
Have I missed much?
Hello everyone: back from a glorious week in Cornwall.
Have I missed much?
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 11:15
Absolutely nothing happened while you were away, FE, except a few secretarial comings and goings at No 10.
Is there any live commentary on this match?
LoL
Sixty-one Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Is there any live commentary on this match?
LoL
Sixty-one Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 11:24
I don't think so LoL, It is not listed.
Rain stop play on the BBC site.
Rain stop play on the BBC site.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 11:24
Cricinfo seems to have stalled for some minutes. Is it raining?
LoL
Sixty-one Seasons a Somerset Supporter
LoL
Sixty-one Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 11:26
If I moved into your place in Taunton, Mike, we wouldn't have to waste other people's time with our extra-sensory communication.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 11:30
... and as I write this, Mike is also writing to say they're playing again.
LoL
Sixty-one Seasons a Somerset Supporter
LoL
Sixty-one Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 11:38
Mike's thinking about taking up riding or something to do with 'Pegasus', so maybe you could join him LoL?
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 12:49
I said give a year, Stiff got another wicket.
Not bad figures 6 overs 2 for 12.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009:06:07:12:51:39 by Mike BOS.
Not bad figures 6 overs 2 for 12.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009:06:07:12:51:39 by Mike BOS.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 13:25
Yes, two wickets for Stiff.
He is, of course, a big bowler with pace.
Old Trafford is, customarily, a fast, bouncy pitch (though with the deplorable lack of commentary we have no way of verifying whether this pitch fits that mould.)
Frankly, if Stiff goes on to have a great day in this innings, I would not necessarily be hugely surprised to see Lancs start sniffing around, due to his potential suitability to bowling on their wicket.
Assuming that he is now fit for four-days (and if he isn't then why the hell was he in the squad?), then I wonder if Langer/Rose might already be regretting not picking Mark Turner as well?
Incidentally, I think Stiff has probably done especially well to pick up these two wickets given that he cannot have had much cricket of a decent standard in recent weeks.
He is, of course, a big bowler with pace.
Old Trafford is, customarily, a fast, bouncy pitch (though with the deplorable lack of commentary we have no way of verifying whether this pitch fits that mould.)
Frankly, if Stiff goes on to have a great day in this innings, I would not necessarily be hugely surprised to see Lancs start sniffing around, due to his potential suitability to bowling on their wicket.
Assuming that he is now fit for four-days (and if he isn't then why the hell was he in the squad?), then I wonder if Langer/Rose might already be regretting not picking Mark Turner as well?
Incidentally, I think Stiff has probably done especially well to pick up these two wickets given that he cannot have had much cricket of a decent standard in recent weeks.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 13:33
I hope we get Horton as soon as we can when, and if, play resumses.
He would be on my England list. That is, as a potential England opener.
Should Bopara not cut the mustard vs the Aussies at three, then we might find that we end up picking, effectively, three openers in the way that Boycott often suggests. In that case, Cook or Strauss might go to three, and we might be able to go back to a right/left opening combo by introducing Horton.
Not only does Horton have a strong record in the CC but he plays on a pitch with pace, bounce and turn. This should, arguably, prepare him for many of the conditions that he would be likely to face in Test match cricket.
He would be on my England list. That is, as a potential England opener.
Should Bopara not cut the mustard vs the Aussies at three, then we might find that we end up picking, effectively, three openers in the way that Boycott often suggests. In that case, Cook or Strauss might go to three, and we might be able to go back to a right/left opening combo by introducing Horton.
Not only does Horton have a strong record in the CC but he plays on a pitch with pace, bounce and turn. This should, arguably, prepare him for many of the conditions that he would be likely to face in Test match cricket.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 13:50
They are playing again 89 for 2, lets hope that is the last of the rain today!
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 14:04
Quite so, Mike. Thanks for the heads-up. Wish to god there was some commentary.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 14:32
Wasn't Horton the one who actually made the "If we'd played to our potential......" remark?
But perhaps the yardstick for arrogance would shift if and when he baceam one of ours?
But perhaps the yardstick for arrogance would shift if and when he baceam one of ours?
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 14:39
I thought it was the Lancs Chairman that had trotted out that immortal phrase?
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 14:50
Is one of Phillips or Trego injured? Scorecard on Crininfo would appear to imply such a scenario.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 14:50
Oh dear me.
Is one of our bowlers injured Phillips and Trego have bowled parts of an over.
See here [news.bbc.co.uk]
Edit: Snap AG
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009:06:07:14:53:40 by Mike BOS.
Is one of our bowlers injured Phillips and Trego have bowled parts of an over.
See here [news.bbc.co.uk]
Edit: Snap AG
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009:06:07:14:53:40 by Mike BOS.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 14:56
Looks like Phillips, Trego has finished his over.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 15:17
This is getting more complicated they are at tea at the moment, there are three bowlers that haven't completed an over does that mean we have two injured bowlers. [news.bbc.co.uk]
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 15:36
BBC show 47 overs bowled, with all bowlers having completed their overs (ie no part-overs) - implies Ben et al are all OK now.
4 quick wickets would be nice...
4 quick wickets would be nice...
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 15:41
So they do now, that's a sigh of relief.
Trego got a wicket. Prince
Trego got a wicket. Prince
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 15:53
SP your wish is their command, halve way there Trego has two.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 15:54
He's a King to me,Mike.
Nice of you to call him that anyway.
Trego for England
Nice of you to call him that anyway.
Trego for England
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 15:54
langer caught one!
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 15:57
You sound surprised.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 15:59
Yet again, I find myself wondering, aloud, whether Langer ought to have given Pete more bowling and, crucially, invited him to bowl earlier in the piece?
Pete does appear to be routinely under-used compared to other bowlers, even though his strike-rate is routinely pretty good.
Still, at least we're one point up now. Indeed, one wonders about what could happen if we could, finally, wrench Horton from the crease.
I'm hopeful that we might at least emerge from this game with more points than Warks - another struggling team - might get from their game (no play for the first two days.)
Even if Warks win the toss and put Notts in on a pitch that has been sweating under the covers, I think the Warks attack is so poor that they will struggle to take advantage.
Pete does appear to be routinely under-used compared to other bowlers, even though his strike-rate is routinely pretty good.
Still, at least we're one point up now. Indeed, one wonders about what could happen if we could, finally, wrench Horton from the crease.
I'm hopeful that we might at least emerge from this game with more points than Warks - another struggling team - might get from their game (no play for the first two days.)
Even if Warks win the toss and put Notts in on a pitch that has been sweating under the covers, I think the Warks attack is so poor that they will struggle to take advantage.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 16:02
5 down now, 3 quick wickets since I asked. I'm still not happy, of course - one more will make all the difference! 
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 16:05
Alfonso has ripped out Du Plessis.
I've a feeling the next stand might be a substantial one, though.
A tandem of Horton and Sutton might, arguably, represent Lancs' most determined duo.
Incidentally, has anyone noticed how well Lancs have actually been doing in all comps under Peter Moores?
After Moores appeared to pull up few trees with England, I expect many people surmised that the success that Sussex had might have been 80% Mushy and most of the rest being Adams's leadership?
But neither Mushy nor Adams are at Old Trafford and, while it's early days, they do appear to have improved, markedly, under Moores.
I've a feeling the next stand might be a substantial one, though.
A tandem of Horton and Sutton might, arguably, represent Lancs' most determined duo.
Incidentally, has anyone noticed how well Lancs have actually been doing in all comps under Peter Moores?
After Moores appeared to pull up few trees with England, I expect many people surmised that the success that Sussex had might have been 80% Mushy and most of the rest being Adams's leadership?
But neither Mushy nor Adams are at Old Trafford and, while it's early days, they do appear to have improved, markedly, under Moores.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 16:19
SP you have your four, and it's Horton.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 16:27
YES!!! Good old Alfie, never let me down.
Dare I ask for 4 more this afternoon...
Dare I ask for 4 more this afternoon...
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 16:50
weather will stop that im afraid.
need a good batting day tomorrow now...
need a good batting day tomorrow now...
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 17:18
Great to see Mr Stiff showing that he's worth persevering with.
Well done lad.
Trego for England
Well done lad.
Trego for England
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 17:51
One has to say that a bowler who can produce 3 for 70 off 19 overs is worth a punt for me.
Still worried about the number of no balls but he is taking wickets and we need as many of them as we can have AND he's fit!!
Still worried about the number of no balls but he is taking wickets and we need as many of them as we can have AND he's fit!!
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 17:53
A wicket near end of play 281 for 9 there can't be much more play today.
Nice to see Suppiah in the wickets.
Nice to see Suppiah in the wickets.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 17:55
looks like a good day's work all round, to me.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 17:57
FE: stop stealing my lines.
Given the gloomy nature of the weather forecast, this has to go down as a very profitable day.
LoL
Sixty-one Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Given the gloomy nature of the weather forecast, this has to go down as a very profitable day.
LoL
Sixty-one Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 18:29
I've said it quite a few times I know so I apologise for being boring but I think Stiff could be a real gem.
When he was coming through the ranks he was regarded as one of the best fast bowlers in the country,a good friend who supports Kent honestly thought he was of International standard.
We all know that he has had a few rough years but from what I've seen the ability is still there.
If we can keep him fit,keep him sweet and give him a bit of time I think we have a proper,quality fast bowler on our hands.
Great to see him do well.
Great performance by everyone.
Well done lads.
Trego for England
When he was coming through the ranks he was regarded as one of the best fast bowlers in the country,a good friend who supports Kent honestly thought he was of International standard.
We all know that he has had a few rough years but from what I've seen the ability is still there.
If we can keep him fit,keep him sweet and give him a bit of time I think we have a proper,quality fast bowler on our hands.
Great to see him do well.
Great performance by everyone.
Well done lads.
Trego for England
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 19:46
top day, right 400-? tomorrow by the close, quick 150 by lunch on Tuesday then fire then out in 2 sessions, job done.....
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 21:10
Easy peasy,lemon squeezy.
Start the car,this one's in the bag.
Trego for England
Start the car,this one's in the bag.
Trego for England
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2009 21:54
David Stiff.
For somebody that is on a year’s contract for his fitness he did pretty well today, he bowled 20 overs today which was more than anybody else, twice as many as Willoughby.
Let’s hope he is the replacement for Caddick we are looking for.
For somebody that is on a year’s contract for his fitness he did pretty well today, he bowled 20 overs today which was more than anybody else, twice as many as Willoughby.
Let’s hope he is the replacement for Caddick we are looking for.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/06/2009 08:14
Jim will not be surpised to hear that Geoffrey Dean, in Today's Times says;
"Peter Trego was the pick of the Somerset attack."
"Peter Trego was the pick of the Somerset attack."
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/06/2009 08:22
The same paper reports that our bowlers stuck to their task well on a bitterly cold day and that our catching was top-drawer with "all chances offered being taken."
The report also confirms that it is the usual quick and bouncy pitch.
Looking through their line-up, Mahmood is the only one with real pace so we'll need to hope that his radar is awry.
Both of Stiff's top order wickets were down to extra bounce meaning that numbers two and three could not control their pull shots.
The test for Stiff will come on far less bouncy pitches at home. He will have to show that he either has other modus operandi by which he can take wickets OR that he is so good at extracting bounce - a la Caddy - that he can even get the ball to really lift at Taunton.
I think the fact that Pete bowled so well was especially encouraging because there was, reportedly, no swing whatsoever available.
The report also confirms that it is the usual quick and bouncy pitch.
Looking through their line-up, Mahmood is the only one with real pace so we'll need to hope that his radar is awry.
Both of Stiff's top order wickets were down to extra bounce meaning that numbers two and three could not control their pull shots.
The test for Stiff will come on far less bouncy pitches at home. He will have to show that he either has other modus operandi by which he can take wickets OR that he is so good at extracting bounce - a la Caddy - that he can even get the ball to really lift at Taunton.
I think the fact that Pete bowled so well was especially encouraging because there was, reportedly, no swing whatsoever available.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/06/2009 08:36
btw.. In other news, the forecast for Headingley looks quite encouraging.
Apparently, the pitch for the current game with Sussex is offering 'seam movement, uneven bounce AND turn."
So.... if our game is played on anything similar, a result might be probable, given the forecast. And I think we "owe" them for defeat in a thrilling game, at Taunton, last year. Of course, we can all look forward to commentary on this too.
Apparently, the pitch for the current game with Sussex is offering 'seam movement, uneven bounce AND turn."
So.... if our game is played on anything similar, a result might be probable, given the forecast. And I think we "owe" them for defeat in a thrilling game, at Taunton, last year. Of course, we can all look forward to commentary on this too.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 08/06/2009 10:13
If I had been the Lancashire captain, I would have declared overnight and got Somerset in as early as possible to gain maximum benefit from any early life in the wicket or the atmosphere. Chapple decided to go for the extra batting point, but Mr Stiff has other ideas and precious bowling time was lost.
Now come on Trescothick and his merry men.
LoL
Sixty-one Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Now come on Trescothick and his merry men.
LoL
Sixty-one Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 08/06/2009 10:13
Lancs 286 all out. Four wickets for David Stiff.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/06/2009 10:18
Good. Important to deny them the extra point.
Now we need to bat properly in our first innings for the first time in three goes.
I don't know what approach Langer/Rose will opt for.
However, if it was me, I'd try to be as patient as we need to be to try and get maximum batting points, as opposed to trying to score 330 or so at break-neck speed in the hope of still having enough time to win from here. I think too much time was lost on the first day for a serious possibility of that unless one or other side bats like numpties.
Of course, if we can get maximum batting points AND do it quickly enough to have a shot at a win, so much the better.
But I see the full batting points as the greater batting priority.
Meantime, the reigning champions are surely all but certain to wrap up a win today....
Now we need to bat properly in our first innings for the first time in three goes.
I don't know what approach Langer/Rose will opt for.
However, if it was me, I'd try to be as patient as we need to be to try and get maximum batting points, as opposed to trying to score 330 or so at break-neck speed in the hope of still having enough time to win from here. I think too much time was lost on the first day for a serious possibility of that unless one or other side bats like numpties.
Of course, if we can get maximum batting points AND do it quickly enough to have a shot at a win, so much the better.
But I see the full batting points as the greater batting priority.
Meantime, the reigning champions are surely all but certain to wrap up a win today....
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/06/2009 11:30
All over at Chester LS. Hants absolutely mullered.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/06/2009 11:41
Glen Chapple has been a pain in the neck. 55 in a big stand for the ninth wicket and giving absolutely nothing away with the ball. Not bad for 35 or 36 or so...
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/06/2009 13:27
Things likely to slow down again, as Chapple is back into the attack.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/06/2009 14:14
Okay - you can all speak now. I'm assuming you were all holding your tongue to avoid any hexing, as opposed to you all having better things to do.
Whilst 47 might not quite be the innings that Suppiah was looking for to totally cement his place, I think it was a resilient enough innings, on a bouncy pitch, that he should surely have done enough to earn another go at Headingley. So, well done to him.
Whilst 47 might not quite be the innings that Suppiah was looking for to totally cement his place, I think it was a resilient enough innings, on a bouncy pitch, that he should surely have done enough to earn another go at Headingley. So, well done to him.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 08/06/2009 15:26
Rats..........Marcus gone 5 short of a ton. Well done anyway !
Grizzzly
Grizzzly
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/06/2009 15:30
Craig promoted to five.
Really needed Banger to go on if we were going to get full batting points, one would think. Still, good knock, no doubt.
Really needed Banger to go on if we were going to get full batting points, one would think. Still, good knock, no doubt.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 08/06/2009 15:31
And he was stumped. 
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 08/06/2009 15:38
Can they make up the remainder of the time lost yesterday today?
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 08/06/2009 16:02
I can't talk or move until we've passed their total.
I've had a few accidents but nothing too messy.
Quite nasty when the nurse came to see the wife,she thought I was being ignorant.
She understood when I pointed at the scorecard.
Women.
What are they like?
Trego for England
I've had a few accidents but nothing too messy.
Quite nasty when the nurse came to see the wife,she thought I was being ignorant.
She understood when I pointed at the scorecard.
Women.
What are they like?
Trego for England
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/06/2009 16:03
Was the scorecard on the Computer screen or on Teletext when you pointed at it?
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 08/06/2009 16:06
Both.
The wife is livid because she wanted to watch Cash in the Attic.
She knew when to leave it though when I made the gesture that if she didn't bolt up then that's where she would be.
Diplomacy is my middle name you know.
Trego for England
The wife is livid because she wanted to watch Cash in the Attic.
She knew when to leave it though when I made the gesture that if she didn't bolt up then that's where she would be.
Diplomacy is my middle name you know.
Trego for England
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/06/2009 16:22
Like Banger's knock, another valuable knock, made at a good rate but, once again, we could really have done with Hildreth going on to make a big score.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/06/2009 16:27
Oh dear, nowt for Pete (golden duck).
We may struggle somewhat to get much of a lead at all, now.
A lot on young Craig's shoulders.
We may struggle somewhat to get much of a lead at all, now.
A lot on young Craig's shoulders.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 08/06/2009 16:31
Pete Trego I didn't want that to happen.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 08/06/2009 16:35
If I had any cash in my attic (or an attic for that matter) she'd be welcome to pop round and watch it, if it meant you could watch Teletext in peace!
Visions of Mrs. Jim sat cross-legged on the rafters watching a big pile of gold doubloons!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009:06:08:16:36:26 by Frome Exile.
Visions of Mrs. Jim sat cross-legged on the rafters watching a big pile of gold doubloons!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009:06:08:16:36:26 by Frome Exile.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 08/06/2009 16:54
From 250-3 to 274-7.
Not good.
Hang on in there please.
Grizzzly
Not good.
Hang on in there please.
Grizzzly
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 08/06/2009 17:20
It's a lovely thought,FE.
I'll let her down when play is over.
Trego for England
I'll let her down when play is over.
Trego for England
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 08/06/2009 19:11
think we are just looking at 49 for 11 pts or 99 for 12 pts, all on Ben i think, dont think we'll get much out of David and Charl...
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/06/2009 21:45
David did manage a surprisingly decent knock in the 2nd dig at Trent Bridge.
A bouncier pitch here might be more tricky, though.
All in all, I think today represented a considerable improvement upon our two most recent first innings performances, even if we did not, ultimately, get as many as we might have hoped to at one stage.
Forecast for tomorrow is not bad, so hope we can squeeze out another batting point.
After that, unless we suddenly have a really good lead with plenty of time left, then I'd suggest we wrap Charl in cotton wool to save him for Headingley.
Team selection for Headingley will be interesting. Stiff's just taken four but Headingley is not normally the place for out-and-out pace. The current pitch is meant to be a slow seamer and the forecast suggests warmer weather and some cloud cover, which may mean swing too. On top of that, current pitch vs Sussex is turning according to the Times, as well!
So Mr Rose might have to earn his selectorial corn for that one!
A bouncier pitch here might be more tricky, though.
All in all, I think today represented a considerable improvement upon our two most recent first innings performances, even if we did not, ultimately, get as many as we might have hoped to at one stage.
Forecast for tomorrow is not bad, so hope we can squeeze out another batting point.
After that, unless we suddenly have a really good lead with plenty of time left, then I'd suggest we wrap Charl in cotton wool to save him for Headingley.
Team selection for Headingley will be interesting. Stiff's just taken four but Headingley is not normally the place for out-and-out pace. The current pitch is meant to be a slow seamer and the forecast suggests warmer weather and some cloud cover, which may mean swing too. On top of that, current pitch vs Sussex is turning according to the Times, as well!
So Mr Rose might have to earn his selectorial corn for that one!
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 10:16
The Fonz has launched a six, to go with the one that BJP hit last night. We're obviously not aiming to grind out the bonus points, this morning!
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 10:32
Is it raining in Manchester? The score seess to have been stuck for rather a long time now.
LoL
Sixty-one Seasons a Somerset Supporter
LoL
Sixty-one Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 10:38
We are 332 for 9, LoL. Therefore, looks like we'll struggle for our 4th batting point, regrettably.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 10:40
Thomas made 19 and Stiff 7. Ben has 33 and Charl 4 off 2 balls.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 10:43
3 wickets now to the Lancs spinner, Keedy.
Possibly a bit of a pity, then, that we do not have either of our wrist spinners in the party.
I wonder if Arul, who was missed at least twice when he batted, can build on his two first innings wickets...?
Possibly a bit of a pity, then, that we do not have either of our wrist spinners in the party.
I wonder if Arul, who was missed at least twice when he batted, can build on his two first innings wickets...?
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 10:48
first innings lead of 57.
If this one had two days to go, a thrilling finish might have been in prospect.
As I've said before, I'd love to see a reserve day added to each CC game to make up for situations such as Saturday.
With the Pro 40 League already scrapped, all they might have to do is scrap the putative EPL and then, I think, there would be enough time in the calendar?
If this one had two days to go, a thrilling finish might have been in prospect.
As I've said before, I'd love to see a reserve day added to each CC game to make up for situations such as Saturday.
With the Pro 40 League already scrapped, all they might have to do is scrap the putative EPL and then, I think, there would be enough time in the calendar?
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 11:02
T C Smith c Phillips b Stiff 0.
0 for 1.
0 for 1.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 11:03
Shall we bowl them out by lunchtime or would 3.00 be early enough?
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 11:06
Lunchtime would be preferable because I hear that the M62 is busy today and we don't want to spend too long snarled up in traffic....
In all seriousness, though, they do have some very nuggety performers in Horton, Prince and Sutton. But if we can knock at least a couple more over before lunch and then maybe one after before they clear their arrears....
In all seriousness, though, they do have some very nuggety performers in Horton, Prince and Sutton. But if we can knock at least a couple more over before lunch and then maybe one after before they clear their arrears....
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 11:07
Well young Stiff is taking his opportunity isn't he? A bit of pace seems to be a bit of a filip for our bowling attack and a wicket maiden first up in your second outing at Old Trafford seems a decent way to start.
Turner last year, Stiffy this year...will he go further?
Turner last year, Stiffy this year...will he go further?
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 11:11
Without wishing to sound too much like KT, if only our own pitch had greater pace and bounce!
I remember when KJ Shine was playing for Hants, he took something like 8 for 42 on one of these trampolines.
I bet the Rooster wishes he had played at Old Trafford - can you imagine the havoc!!!???
I remember when KJ Shine was playing for Hants, he took something like 8 for 42 on one of these trampolines.
I bet the Rooster wishes he had played at Old Trafford - can you imagine the havoc!!!???
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 11:16
Whilst not a fan of Lancs, the club, I think their pitch is the finest in the country, if not the world. Pace, bounce, turn, what more could one want?
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 11:20
AndyC and Mark Turner get that steepling bounce here AG. Not sure whether Stiff got lots. He spent most of the first game trying to get his line right. Maybe he'll come back and produce something else. But there's Headingley and Hove before that of course
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 11:23
AG - what more could we want? How about 9 quick wickets - it worked the other day!
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 11:28
Is asking for more bounce consistent with calls to make the track less batsman-friendly?
I'm no expert, but don't "harder, faster, bouncier, truer" tend to come as a package at one end of the pitch preparation spectrum, and "softer, slower, lower, and more variable" equally as a package at the other?
Surely the only way to have lots of bounce and more in it for the bowlers generally, is either lots of grass, or a dustbowl, either of which put a big premium onthe toss?
I'm no expert, but don't "harder, faster, bouncier, truer" tend to come as a package at one end of the pitch preparation spectrum, and "softer, slower, lower, and more variable" equally as a package at the other?
Surely the only way to have lots of bounce and more in it for the bowlers generally, is either lots of grass, or a dustbowl, either of which put a big premium onthe toss?
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 11:47
I suspect that Langer would be content with more pace and bounce, as opposed to necessarily wanting something in any way 'variable.' That would be more like his home wicket at the WACA.
I believe, FE, that the pace of the pitch is, largely, a funtion of the type of soil that is used below the surface?
I agree that bouncier, quicker pitches tend be truer. However, I'm not sure it's possible for our pitches to become much 'truer,' than they already are? But I'd guess that Mr Frost would like to find a way to increase the pace and bounce.
There seems to be little doubt that the same soil can vary over the years - for instance, the Oval used to be very fast, then became a slow(ish) turner and it now seems to be getting fast once again (to judge from the T20 games.) Uusually, I think folks talk about a square having become 'tired,' when the pitches start to slow up.
It is, theoretically, possible for Mr Frost to produce a fast and bouncy pitch or at least, it was at one time because Banger owes his Test career to just such a pitch (vs Kallis in front of Fletcher.)
I know that some work was done the winter before last, but I'm not sure if that was a complete dig-up of the entire square? I thought that it was more some changes to the very top-layer of the soil?
p.s. FE - you mention the 'lot of grass,' option. Well, I think we can do that here. Even when quite a bit of grass is left on, the ball does not seam that much at Taunton, unless it starts damp?
As I say, though, I *think--* the key determinant is what lies beneath the grass i.e. how compact the soil is?
I believe, FE, that the pace of the pitch is, largely, a funtion of the type of soil that is used below the surface?
I agree that bouncier, quicker pitches tend be truer. However, I'm not sure it's possible for our pitches to become much 'truer,' than they already are? But I'd guess that Mr Frost would like to find a way to increase the pace and bounce.
There seems to be little doubt that the same soil can vary over the years - for instance, the Oval used to be very fast, then became a slow(ish) turner and it now seems to be getting fast once again (to judge from the T20 games.) Uusually, I think folks talk about a square having become 'tired,' when the pitches start to slow up.
It is, theoretically, possible for Mr Frost to produce a fast and bouncy pitch or at least, it was at one time because Banger owes his Test career to just such a pitch (vs Kallis in front of Fletcher.)
I know that some work was done the winter before last, but I'm not sure if that was a complete dig-up of the entire square? I thought that it was more some changes to the very top-layer of the soil?
p.s. FE - you mention the 'lot of grass,' option. Well, I think we can do that here. Even when quite a bit of grass is left on, the ball does not seam that much at Taunton, unless it starts damp?
As I say, though, I *think--* the key determinant is what lies beneath the grass i.e. how compact the soil is?
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 11:49
Complete change of bowling.
Thomas and Phillips a few overs before lunch.
Thomas and Phillips a few overs before lunch.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 11:50
And, yep, Grockle Caddy can often get the ball to bounce well, even at Taunton.
There is, of course, though the issue of the length necessary to generate that bounce?
I'd expect Caddy to get the same amount of bounce from a full yard further up to the bat at Old Trafford than he could at Taunton?
At the WACA they always used to say that the key was actually to pitch the ball up. Some of their better bowlers were guys like Alderman and Fleming that were swing bowlers. Pitch it up there and you'd get swing AND bounce at the same time.
There is, of course, though the issue of the length necessary to generate that bounce?
I'd expect Caddy to get the same amount of bounce from a full yard further up to the bat at Old Trafford than he could at Taunton?
At the WACA they always used to say that the key was actually to pitch the ball up. Some of their better bowlers were guys like Alderman and Fleming that were swing bowlers. Pitch it up there and you'd get swing AND bounce at the same time.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 12:25
My understanding was that pitches tend to become tired when successive layers of top-dressing are added. I also understood that that was what was efectively scraped off the square at Taunton. But as I say, I'm no expert.
Wasn't the Oval completely dug up and re-laid in the mid-90s?
Wasn't the Oval completely dug up and re-laid in the mid-90s?
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 12:34
I think Mr Brind dug it up, yes. I think that was because it had become tired, diminishing steadily from its famed hey-day in 1976 when Michael Holding utterly destroyed us on it.
Now that you say it, I think you're right that we scraped off some top-soil, here at Taunton.
If Mr Rose continues to be unhappy with the pitches and if the money can be found, I wonder ifa complete dig-up might be considered, even if it is a "nuclear option,"?
Now that you say it, I think you're right that we scraped off some top-soil, here at Taunton.
If Mr Rose continues to be unhappy with the pitches and if the money can be found, I wonder ifa complete dig-up might be considered, even if it is a "nuclear option,"?
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: fRed (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 12:48
76, was that the year oil was poured on it?
Cricket's the winner.
Cricket's the winner.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 13:47
Oil was at Headingley and the year was 1975. As it happens, I watched the days on which cricket was possible and then mysteriously disappeared the night before play was abandoned.
LoL
Sixty-one Seasons a Somerset Supporter
LoL
Sixty-one Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 13:49
The cricket you watched was that bad that you were moved to sabotage..?
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 13:59
I can say no more.
LoL
Sixty-one Seasons a Somerset Supporter
LoL
Sixty-one Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 14:17
Everything seems to have long-since ground to a halt.
Did someone pour oil on the wicket?
Is it raining?
Did Langer get bored and decide he'd rather play "I spy," with Marcus and Charl in the car as they head down the M62 to Leeds?
Did someone pour oil on the wicket?
Is it raining?
Did Langer get bored and decide he'd rather play "I spy," with Marcus and Charl in the car as they head down the M62 to Leeds?
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 14:17
LoL is innocent !
Grizzzly
Grizzzly
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 14:40
LoL has not been proved guilty.
LoL
Sixty-one Seasons a Somerset Supporter
LoL
Sixty-one Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 14:45
Scorecard has finally come back to life. Willow has accounted for Horton but they are 60 ahead now and a draw is all but certain.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 14:53
Golden-arm de Bruyn strikes. Come on, lads, seven more and this is still (just about!) on.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 14:54
Time for Lancs to declare and set us a reasonable target; how else can they make a competitive match of it?
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Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 14:58
Certainly a pain-staking vigil by Loye - 39 off 139!
Bring Mr Stiff back after tea against the new batsman and see if his extra pace can open up one end?
Bring Mr Stiff back after tea against the new batsman and see if his extra pace can open up one end?
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 15:12
I agree,let's get Stiffy on.
That didn't sound quite right.
Trego for England
That didn't sound quite right.
Trego for England
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 15:16
Yorks may yet lose at home to Sussex. They left them a target and the visitors are going very nicely, with Yardy and Goodwin at the crease.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 15:37
The carrier pigeon from Manchester must have bird flu or something.
The delays between updates have been absurd.
Anyway, Zander has removed Prince, but not before he had got 30 odd and they must now be just more than 100 ahead, for four down.
The delays between updates have been absurd.
Anyway, Zander has removed Prince, but not before he had got 30 odd and they must now be just more than 100 ahead, for four down.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 16:18
Now 181 for 6, with Chilton (15) and Du Plessis (4) falling to Zander and Arul, respectively.
So 3 for Zander now..
So 3 for Zander now..
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 16:19
AG I have been using the BBC site it is updated more often, the only problem is you have to refresh the page yourself.
The BBC site is saying at the moment 191 for 6
The BBC site is saying at the moment 191 for 6
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 16:21
Yes - if this had been a full four day game, it looks all but certain that we would have won which is both encouraging and frustrating in almost equal measure.
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 17:19
Played them off the park by the look of things.
A shame there's no extra day for the one lost.
Trego for England
A shame there's no extra day for the one lost.
Trego for England
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 19:12
Exactly, Jim. A huge shame. Introduce it and do not bother with the mooted EPL (T20).
Re: Proper cricket - June 6 - Old Trafford
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 21:33
The team were subjected to a 'long chat,' with Andy Hurry about their failure to get to 350.
Ben Phillips 'had never batted better for SCCC,' but Mr Hurry was not all enamoured with 'what went on around Ben.'
Meantime, it seems certain that David Stiff will start again on Thursday as Hurry says he only got six overs because he is being saved up for other games.
Ben Phillips 'had never batted better for SCCC,' but Mr Hurry was not all enamoured with 'what went on around Ben.'
Meantime, it seems certain that David Stiff will start again on Thursday as Hurry says he only got six overs because he is being saved up for other games.
Lancs tv
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 01:16
There are highlights of the current match at Lancs tv via the main Lancs website.
Re: Lancs tv
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 04:58
they are for lazy people and I'm not that clever.
Re: Lancs tv
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 08:06
O.K. clever clogs.You'll be taking photos next.
Re: Lancs tv
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 08:11
I tried that Rob it is easier to do the link.
This is what we need plenty of this.
This is what we need plenty of this.
Re: Lancs tv
Posted by: everhopefull (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 08:17
Perhaps Grockle would confirm if it is now in order to provide links to the SCCC as and when needed or is it still taboo.
????????
????????
Re: Lancs tv
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 08:24
Would they not have won the match by now, had they "played to their full potential"????
Re: Lancs tv
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 09:33
Everhopefull I would never dare speak for Grockle, here is a link where he replied to the same question from me.
[www.cricketnetwork.co.uk]
[www.cricketnetwork.co.uk]
Re: Lancs tv
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 11:16
Thanks Mike - good to know you know your place though.
Re: Lancs tv
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 11:51
You'd better let BJ know that too, Mike.
All the women in his purview have resigned and fled to the attic, but he's still the boss.
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All the women in his purview have resigned and fled to the attic, but he's still the boss.
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Re: Lancs tv
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 12:07
Are you calling me a purview?
Trego for England
Trego for England
Re: Lancs tv
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 12:17
Probably - if the cap fits...
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Re: Lancs tv
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 12:20
Let me ask the wife.
She's still in the attic.
I hope she doesn't mind the spiders.
I really don't like spiders.
They lay their eggs in you and nine months later the babies hatch under your skin.
And that.
Is a fact.
Trego for England
She's still in the attic.
I hope she doesn't mind the spiders.
I really don't like spiders.
They lay their eggs in you and nine months later the babies hatch under your skin.
And that.
Is a fact.
Trego for England
Re: Lancs tv
Posted by: everhopefull (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 12:23
Thanks Mike, Thanks Grockle,
Nice to see we are all in favour of promoting our club.
Nice to see we are all in favour of promoting our club.
Re: Lancs tv
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 12:24
so why do you spend so much time on the web?
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Re: Lancs tv
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 12:58
Just viewed the Lancs 'highlights' from yesterday.
Good to see Cricket from afar !
A few thoughts:
1) Marcus looked in good knick.
2) The 'commentator' is quite the worst/most boring I have ever heard ! Think he must have been dragged away from something more exciting - like ferrett rearing !
3) Poor PT looked like he left a slow one which went straight on to knock over his off stump. Don't think he'll be viewing that one too often !
Grizzzly
Good to see Cricket from afar !
A few thoughts:
1) Marcus looked in good knick.
2) The 'commentator' is quite the worst/most boring I have ever heard ! Think he must have been dragged away from something more exciting - like ferrett rearing !
3) Poor PT looked like he left a slow one which went straight on to knock over his off stump. Don't think he'll be viewing that one too often !
Grizzzly
Re: Lancs tv
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 12:59
It was a "Bosie," according to the Times. Perhaps they were being generous?
Re: Lancs tv
Posted by: Congar (IP Logged)
Date: 10/06/2009 04:12
Thanks Mike (try clicking on "links" in my post!).
Re: Lancs tv
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 10/06/2009 07:47
Congar I did not notice the word "links" was any different from the rest of the sentence, it must be my TV.
Re: Lancs tv
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 10/06/2009 07:51
Nor did I Mike.Was going to Specsavers today but no need.
Re: Lancs tv
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 10/06/2009 08:38
I understand that our friend BJ has been banned from his beloved St Andrews for clicking too vigorously on the links.
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Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 15:43
Does anybody else agree with me that, if the pitch at Headingley is anything like the sterotypical surface, the current SCCC line-up contains one seam bowler too many?
I think that's doubly the case, now that Zander has demonstrated bowling form in this 2nd innings here?
Willow, Stiff, Alfonso, Phillips, Pete and Zander.
Five front-line seamers AND another guy that bowls seam competently too?
Surely too many.
The batting, overall, was better here than vs Durham or Notts (first innings, I mean) but still not entirely fool-proof, with something of a mid-innings collapse.
I think there's surely a case for stiffening the batting with "our," Wesley, but the question would be who would drop out?
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I think that's doubly the case, now that Zander has demonstrated bowling form in this 2nd innings here?
Willow, Stiff, Alfonso, Phillips, Pete and Zander.
Five front-line seamers AND another guy that bowls seam competently too?
Surely too many.
The batting, overall, was better here than vs Durham or Notts (first innings, I mean) but still not entirely fool-proof, with something of a mid-innings collapse.
I think there's surely a case for stiffening the batting with "our," Wesley, but the question would be who would drop out?
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Re: Team selection for Headingley
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2009 16:21
Quote:Does anybody else agree with me ....
Anybody else other than whom?
Or are you perhaps seeking to confirm that you at least agree with yourself?
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Re: Team selection for Headingley
Posted by: Forward Defensive (IP Logged)
Date: 10/06/2009 09:56
Looking forward to seeing you guys in your thousands at Headingley.
We've just had a GREAT game of cricket with Sussex, can't wait for more of the same tomorrow. For once the Headingley pitch offered a little something to the bowlers, a bit of movement, some turn and occasional low bounce. I hope this one's the same, though it could do with being a bit quicker.
If we're using the pitch that was covered during the Sussex game, it's way over on the east side of the ground with a very short cow-corner boundary for your left handed slogger, Tres-whatever he's called.
He's not got a great record agqinst us, first ball at Scarborough and not many at Taunton last year. Hope that continues!
Is David Stiff likely to play against his former employers? Look forward to seeing him again, just a kid - a very tall kid - last time I watched him, 2nd XI game at Stamford Bridge. (The famous Stamford Bridge, near York, battle in 1066. Look it up.)
We've just had a GREAT game of cricket with Sussex, can't wait for more of the same tomorrow. For once the Headingley pitch offered a little something to the bowlers, a bit of movement, some turn and occasional low bounce. I hope this one's the same, though it could do with being a bit quicker.
If we're using the pitch that was covered during the Sussex game, it's way over on the east side of the ground with a very short cow-corner boundary for your left handed slogger, Tres-whatever he's called.
He's not got a great record agqinst us, first ball at Scarborough and not many at Taunton last year. Hope that continues!
Is David Stiff likely to play against his former employers? Look forward to seeing him again, just a kid - a very tall kid - last time I watched him, 2nd XI game at Stamford Bridge. (The famous Stamford Bridge, near York, battle in 1066. Look it up.)
Re: Team selection for Headingley
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 10/06/2009 10:14
Yes Stiff is - only bowled 6 overs in the Lancs second innings as being saved up for the next two games.
Great to hear of your enjoyment of what looked an excellent match with Sussex.
Trecso's game is not ideally suited to one of the old-style Headingley wickets, which might explain some of his record against you.
We'll miss our other left-hander, Ian Blackwell, who certainly did have a good record against you (although not so much at Headingley), but I'm not really allowed to talk about him...
Great to hear of your enjoyment of what looked an excellent match with Sussex.
Trecso's game is not ideally suited to one of the old-style Headingley wickets, which might explain some of his record against you.
We'll miss our other left-hander, Ian Blackwell, who certainly did have a good record against you (although not so much at Headingley), but I'm not really allowed to talk about him...
Yorkshire v Somerset at Headingley
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 10/06/2009 10:44
Can we rename this thread as above? (keeping it simple for the senior citizens)
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Re: Yorkshire v Somerset at Headingley
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 10/06/2009 11:57
Any replies from now will comply with your wish, but only AG or His Lordship can change how it appears on the title page.
Yorkshire v Somerset at Headingley
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 10/06/2009 12:26
I bow to my superiors.
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Re: Team selection for Headingley
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 10/06/2009 14:00
How would I do that, FE?
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 10/06/2009 14:24
In the "Edit post" area (click at the bottom of your original post), you can edit the title and the new title will appear on the "Message List" page.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Ronnie sabre (IP Logged)
Date: 10/06/2009 14:55
I am travelling down for the game Thurs-Sat from Scotland. Anyone see me with the Somerset cap on give me a shout.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 10/06/2009 16:47
Michael Vaughan is out of the Yorkshire side with a sore knee. He is replaced in the squad by Jonathan Bairstow, son of the former Yorkshire and England wicket-keeper. Matthew Hoggard returns after illness.
Yorkshire will select from 13:
Sayers, Rudolph, McGrath, Bairstow, Gale, Brophy, Bresnan, Shahzad, Rana Naved, Wainwright, Hoggard, Kruis, Rafiq.
Somerset expect to be unchanged but have Michael Munday and Omari Banks on hand in case the wicket looks like a turner.
Yorkshire will select from 13:
Sayers, Rudolph, McGrath, Bairstow, Gale, Brophy, Bresnan, Shahzad, Rana Naved, Wainwright, Hoggard, Kruis, Rafiq.
Somerset expect to be unchanged but have Michael Munday and Omari Banks on hand in case the wicket looks like a turner.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 10/06/2009 16:51
I hope it's not a return of Vaughan's old knee problem.
Bairstow was (and maybe still is) an outstanding schoolboy cricketer and I think he too keeps wicket, but presumably will play at Headingley as a batsman if he is picked. Given his sad circumstances, everybody will wish him very well.
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Bairstow was (and maybe still is) an outstanding schoolboy cricketer and I think he too keeps wicket, but presumably will play at Headingley as a batsman if he is picked. Given his sad circumstances, everybody will wish him very well.
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Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 10/06/2009 17:00
I note we've added Banks to the party, but no extra batsman.
F S Trueman always used to bang on about 'if 3 seamers cannot get it done, neither will 4.'
Well, we're picking 5, plus Zander. If it's a seaming track, surely four guys should get the job done? If it's flat (and our Yorks visitor has suggested there have been several flat tracks in the recent past), then I would think we'd want one of the two spinners, as opposed to only picking one 'if it's a turner'??
F S Trueman always used to bang on about 'if 3 seamers cannot get it done, neither will 4.'
Well, we're picking 5, plus Zander. If it's a seaming track, surely four guys should get the job done? If it's flat (and our Yorks visitor has suggested there have been several flat tracks in the recent past), then I would think we'd want one of the two spinners, as opposed to only picking one 'if it's a turner'??
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 07:11
I understand that Sheffield is under water.
Can any of the Yorks fans give us any indication of whether Leeds escaped relatively unscathed?
And what's the weather doing up there this morning?
Can any of the Yorks fans give us any indication of whether Leeds escaped relatively unscathed?
And what's the weather doing up there this morning?
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Forward Defensive (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 08:13
The YCCC official site now says that: 'After heavy overnight rain we are hopeful of starting on time.'
I live 41 miles away in North Manchester, and it absolutely hissed down last night. Nearly got drowned playing bowls. It can't have been quite as bad as that in Leeds, so I'm ready to travel. Don't want to miss the first ball of the match and the whole of Trescothick's innings, like I did at Scarborough last season!
I live 41 miles away in North Manchester, and it absolutely hissed down last night. Nearly got drowned playing bowls. It can't have been quite as bad as that in Leeds, so I'm ready to travel. Don't want to miss the first ball of the match and the whole of Trescothick's innings, like I did at Scarborough last season!
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 08:20
Thanks for that, FD.
Let's all hope and pray that the club's optmism is well-founded.
The Met Office forecast appears sound, at least for the first three days, so here's to what will hopefully be a cracking game of cricket, like the one at Taunton last year (but with the opposite result!)
Let's all hope and pray that the club's optmism is well-founded.
The Met Office forecast appears sound, at least for the first three days, so here's to what will hopefully be a cracking game of cricket, like the one at Taunton last year (but with the opposite result!)
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 08:36
Since it is not obvious from the Beeb Cricket front page today (I nearly had a coronary thinking that we were going to be deprived,) I wanted to post the link;
[news.bbc.co.uk] for today;
We had excellent commentary from the Yorks guys last year and so I fully expected commentary and so was horrified not to see it listed on the main page..
[news.bbc.co.uk] for today;
We had excellent commentary from the Yorks guys last year and so I fully expected commentary and so was horrified not to see it listed on the main page..
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 09:43
10 degrees, apparently.
I can't imagine many West Indians would be keen on being out there in 10 degree temperatures. And it's very difficult to bowl wrist-spin when it is that cold (the requisite rotation of the shoulder is not really a natural one and it's very difficult to persuade the body to do it when it's that cold.)
Therefore, if we do think it will turn, I've no idea as to which way we would jump with our spinner selection?
I can't imagine many West Indians would be keen on being out there in 10 degree temperatures. And it's very difficult to bowl wrist-spin when it is that cold (the requisite rotation of the shoulder is not really a natural one and it's very difficult to persuade the body to do it when it's that cold.)
Therefore, if we do think it will turn, I've no idea as to which way we would jump with our spinner selection?
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 09:56
PD Trego, DA Stiff, MK Munday, AC Thomas, JC Hildreth, JL Langer*, ME Trescothick, C Kieswetter†, AV Suppiah, CM Willoughby, Z de Bruyn
That's today's team. Good to see Munday there.
Yorkshire won the toss and will bat.
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That's today's team. Good to see Munday there.
Yorkshire won the toss and will bat.
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Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 09:56
commentary starts in three minutes (10.58).
Rather confusingly the guy said that Bairstow is playing, then started talking to his compadre about whether or not they'd be 'sharing with Worcs.' No idea what that would be about (this was on an internet test, earlier on)
Rather confusingly the guy said that Bairstow is playing, then started talking to his compadre about whether or not they'd be 'sharing with Worcs.' No idea what that would be about (this was on an internet test, earlier on)
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 09:58
And the answer is that MKM plays!!!!!
Yorks won toss and bat.
Yorks won toss and bat.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 09:59
We're playing 3 number 11's!
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 10:02
Yes.
If I was going to play MKM, I'd have played Phillips, not Thomas.
Ben and Charl are the only guys that have been economical, so far this season. Hence, with the leggie in the side, I'd want that control, from my seamers.
However, Thomas twice took 5 fors vs Yorks last year, so I suspect that may have been decisive.
Yorks went from two spinners to one, so they are apparently not expecting so much turn!
If I was going to play MKM, I'd have played Phillips, not Thomas.
Ben and Charl are the only guys that have been economical, so far this season. Hence, with the leggie in the side, I'd want that control, from my seamers.
However, Thomas twice took 5 fors vs Yorks last year, so I suspect that may have been decisive.
Yorks went from two spinners to one, so they are apparently not expecting so much turn!
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 10:10
Sounds like Stiff is having some fairly major line problems vs the left-handers.
I wouldn't be surprised if he gets the hook after his 2nd over.
I wouldn't be surprised if he gets the hook after his 2nd over.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 10:13
Give the lad a chance!!!!
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 10:14
One jaffa from Willow to Rudolph.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 10:16
Sounds like this strip has good bounce and pace too.
It is the strip that our visitor thought it would be - very short boundary on one side.
It is the strip that our visitor thought it would be - very short boundary on one side.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 10:18
13th and 14th legitimate deliveries from Stiff much better.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 10:28
CricInfo says he's bowled 3 overs for 6 with one wide!
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 10:31
I see that young Bairstow has a brother about 14 years older than him who played a handful of first-class matches for Derbyshire as a wicket-keeper batsman when he was only nineteen. He also apparently played for SCCC Seconds, though I can't remember that happening.
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Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 10:31
3rd over was better, FE.
First two overs were almost all down the leg-side and mainly ignored by the batsmen.
First two overs were almost all down the leg-side and mainly ignored by the batsmen.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 10:35
Thomas on for Stiff, now.
I wonder if it may just be one over to allow the first two to switch ends?
I'd really like to see Peter Trego given an early bowl to see what he can do.
I wonder if it may just be one over to allow the first two to switch ends?
I'd really like to see Peter Trego given an early bowl to see what he can do.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 10:37
LoL,
BoBo could probably tell you something about Bairstow Major's one match for Somerset Seconds.
As could the Biblical physician.
He was a Somerset player, SP!
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BoBo could probably tell you something about Bairstow Major's one match for Somerset Seconds.
As could the Biblical physician.
He was a Somerset player, SP!
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Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 10:46
Clouding over. Let's hope that helps.
We've not caused very many problems so far - probably only two balls - once each from Willow and Stiff.
We've not caused very many problems so far - probably only two balls - once each from Willow and Stiff.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 10:57
I know he was a SCCC player, LoL, I'd just forgotten!
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 10:59
Sorry SP, I thought it was more than a senior moment!
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009:06:11:11:01:27 by Frome Exile.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 11:00
yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
"Bowled him. Neck and crop!"
That was my Colville impression.
Rudolph played late and bowled leg-stump by Fonzy.
Potentially huge wicket.
The next man, though, has a great record against us.. McGrath.
"Bowled him. Neck and crop!"
That was my Colville impression.
Rudolph played late and bowled leg-stump by Fonzy.
Potentially huge wicket.
The next man, though, has a great record against us.. McGrath.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 11:03
Quote:If I was going to play MKM, I'd have played Phillips, not Thomas.
Which dressing would you like with your pie, Sir?
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 11:09
I was waiting for someone to say, FE!!!!
I did say "If," and due to the arctic conditions, I wouldn't have played MKM, I don't think. But I would have strengthened the batting and it probably would have been between Ben and Alfonso to drop out.
Ben does, admittedly, have a pretty horrific strike-rate so far this season (90). I just thought that if MKM is going to go for a few, we'd want extra control in the field. Plus there's the batting to think about.
Langer thought differently. And he was right. (or maybe Rose if it's him that picks the side.)
I expect Ben's a bit gutted, though, as Mr Hurry had just said that he had 'never batted better for SCCC,' in the last game.
Hopefully Caddy will be back soon and maybe even Jonah (?) and then we'll have some major competition for places, which would be great to see.
I did say "If," and due to the arctic conditions, I wouldn't have played MKM, I don't think. But I would have strengthened the batting and it probably would have been between Ben and Alfonso to drop out.
Ben does, admittedly, have a pretty horrific strike-rate so far this season (90). I just thought that if MKM is going to go for a few, we'd want extra control in the field. Plus there's the batting to think about.
Langer thought differently. And he was right. (or maybe Rose if it's him that picks the side.)
I expect Ben's a bit gutted, though, as Mr Hurry had just said that he had 'never batted better for SCCC,' in the last game.
Hopefully Caddy will be back soon and maybe even Jonah (?) and then we'll have some major competition for places, which would be great to see.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 11:11
Suppiah coming on???
Rather strange?
You'd have thought, since we've picked him, that MKM would be first spinner on?
Rather strange?
You'd have thought, since we've picked him, that MKM would be first spinner on?
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 11:13
Quote:I was waiting for someone to say, FE!!!!
I'd hate to let you down old boy!
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 11:19
Looks like Arul's over was just to allow Willow to switch ends.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 11:30
Potentially terrible news - Craig has injured his hand fielding another wayward (but very fast) one from Stiff.
If it's a major injury, then we will, probably, doubly regret having three number 11s in this team.
If it's a major injury, then we will, probably, doubly regret having three number 11s in this team.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 11:34
offending digit has been taped up and he will soldier on. Hopefully that means he will be okay for batting, too!
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 11:37
Pete is on at last.
Come on the Golden arm!!
Not working for his first three though - 8 to McGrath after Sayers had pulled Stiff for six in the last over.
Come on the Golden arm!!
Not working for his first three though - 8 to McGrath after Sayers had pulled Stiff for six in the last over.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 11:43
... and another - into Kieswetter's seemingly safe fingers. One more for a bonus point before lunch, please.
LoL
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Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 11:44
But Stiff has golden-armed McGrath!!! He has been a nemesis for us, McGrath. Great to be rid of him. I'm afraid the commentary had cut out and it came round only in time to say;
"Kieswetter, proving he is now okay got around to take the catch."
"Kieswetter, proving he is now okay got around to take the catch."
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 12:04
We'll need to shift Sayers shortly after lunch.
I'd guess we'll see Willow back on to try to make the breakthrough.
A bit of a mixed session, in terms of the overall results and the standard of our bowling, but I'm sure we'd have happily accepted their 'big two,' as the sum of our efforts in the morning session.
If we could just get Sayers shortly after lunch, that should take us into young Bairstow, plus Gale is not yet fully established either.
I'd guess we'll see Willow back on to try to make the breakthrough.
A bit of a mixed session, in terms of the overall results and the standard of our bowling, but I'm sure we'd have happily accepted their 'big two,' as the sum of our efforts in the morning session.
If we could just get Sayers shortly after lunch, that should take us into young Bairstow, plus Gale is not yet fully established either.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 12:16
I'm getting rather excited by this Stiff,he really is showing his value.
Go get 'em boys,we're down to the ferrets next.
Trego for England
Go get 'em boys,we're down to the ferrets next.
Trego for England
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 13:04
Really need a breakthrough and quickly. They sound awfully settled...
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 13:31
... not from where I'm sitting, they don't.
LoL
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Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 13:41
psssst.. it was a reverse hex, LoL.
Commentary cut out again, for me, around the time of the wicket, though.
Did you hear it? (live)
Commentary cut out again, for me, around the time of the wicket, though.
Did you hear it? (live)
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 13:55
Sounds like Craig is continuing to have problems with his finger. He may not be able to bat at 100%
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 13:57
Young Bairstow sounds like he is playing excellently.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 14:37
Boy, did we need that? - Gale out LBW.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 14:40
yessssssssssssssss
Bairstow's inexperience gets the better of him - full toss from MKM, his eyes light up and he either missed it completely or bottom edged it into his stumps!
Let's hope that wicket helps to settle MKM down.
Yorks do not really have a tail - I think Hoggy will be their number 11.
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Bairstow's inexperience gets the better of him - full toss from MKM, his eyes light up and he either missed it completely or bottom edged it into his stumps!
Let's hope that wicket helps to settle MKM down.
Yorks do not really have a tail - I think Hoggy will be their number 11.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009:06:11:14:41:55 by AGod.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 14:40
.. and now Bairstow. Another bowling point is imminent.
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Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 14:44
Sounds like Pete has been bowling some good yorkers.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 14:54
IN fact, the Yorks radio guys say Pete has probably been our best bowler. The Times report said the same of Pete in the first innings at Old Trafford, too.
I hope we continue to bowl Pete after tea.
I hope we continue to bowl Pete after tea.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 15:15
Better than 16 overs, 9 maidens, 1 for 17.
He must be bowling well.
He must be bowling well.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 15:30
I think, FE, that they mean better in the context of looking like taking wickets, by the sounds of it.
Pete has beaten the bat on a fair few occasions and nearly got through with several yorkers, to boot.
Charl has, apparently, bowled very cannily and given absolutely nothing away (as you can see from the scorecard), I think I only remember him actually going past the bat on a couple of occasions, though.
Pete has beaten the bat on a fair few occasions and nearly got through with several yorkers, to boot.
Charl has, apparently, bowled very cannily and given absolutely nothing away (as you can see from the scorecard), I think I only remember him actually going past the bat on a couple of occasions, though.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 15:39
Yeah, sure AG; I wasn't having a dig at what you said. And without being present it's impossible to refute what the commentators say, not that I would wish to anyway.
If anything it was a dig at the notion that "best" is as simple as "most likely to take wickets". Pressure at one end can, as we all know, be a major contributor in getting wickets at the other. Bowling is as much a team effort as batting really.
If anything it was a dig at the notion that "best" is as simple as "most likely to take wickets". Pressure at one end can, as we all know, be a major contributor in getting wickets at the other. Bowling is as much a team effort as batting really.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 15:45
Well I'm not there either, so I can only go on what they say.
Obviously, Charl has clearly done well.
They're now suggesting that this pitch is sufficently dry that reverse swing may come into play and they are saying that their Rana Naved may have a big game, on that basis. Of course, one hopes that that is wishful thinking.
Whilst this thing seemed to have some pace and bounce with the new ball, it now sounds quite dead. As a result, all of our pace bowlers actually have better economy than one would usually expect (based on their career figures).
Obviously, Charl has clearly done well.
They're now suggesting that this pitch is sufficently dry that reverse swing may come into play and they are saying that their Rana Naved may have a big game, on that basis. Of course, one hopes that that is wishful thinking.
Whilst this thing seemed to have some pace and bounce with the new ball, it now sounds quite dead. As a result, all of our pace bowlers actually have better economy than one would usually expect (based on their career figures).
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 15:59
MKM has just bowled an utter pearler at Bresnan - drifted in, then pitched and spun viciously away.
As the day is wearing on his ratio of good balls : bad balls seems to be improving. I suspect his shoulder is starting to get a bit looser.
As the day is wearing on his ratio of good balls : bad balls seems to be improving. I suspect his shoulder is starting to get a bit looser.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 16:05
We need to be patient with our young bowlers.
We've done well so far today,a few more before close of play and we're in the box seat.
Or at least putting our backsides somewhere near it.
Trego for England
We've done well so far today,a few more before close of play and we're in the box seat.
Or at least putting our backsides somewhere near it.
Trego for England
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 16:08
Other than rain as well, you can't get worse conditions to bowl wrist-spin than this numbing cold.
At some point, we probably are going to have to just start picking him regularly and just go with the flow, take the good with the bad etc
At some point, we probably are going to have to just start picking him regularly and just go with the flow, take the good with the bad etc
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 16:21
New ball taken at 17.20 after 85 overs (5 overs later than we could have taken it.)
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 17:00
Superb stuff from the boys today,a great team performance.
Trego for England
Trego for England
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 17:02
Great end to the day.
I think it's a pitch on which we will have to work hard with the bat. But if we can apply ourselves properly, then we may well get our noses in front on first innings.
I think it's a pitch on which we will have to work hard with the bat. But if we can apply ourselves properly, then we may well get our noses in front on first innings.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 17:41
Yep knock the rabbits over early then bat all day in the sun, and into saturday as much as we can, game on...
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 17:47
Not sure they have any 'rabbits.' The guy that came in at ten averages more than 30!
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 19:39
I told you earlier,these are not rabbits.
They are ferrets.
Please get it right.
Trego for England
They are ferrets.
Please get it right.
Trego for England
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 19:59
Sussex have signed Indian leg spinner Pijush Chawla, who made his Test debut against England in 2006 when only 17 years of age, to stand in for Yasir Arafat as their overseas player for the duration of the World 20/20.
He made his debut at Worcester today and I guess the Hove wicket will now be as spin friendly as in the days of Mushy when we play there next week. So it will be a real bonus for us if Michael Munday can get his eye in - and a fair share of wickets - at Headingley.
He made his debut at Worcester today and I guess the Hove wicket will now be as spin friendly as in the days of Mushy when we play there next week. So it will be a real bonus for us if Michael Munday can get his eye in - and a fair share of wickets - at Headingley.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 20:05
Hadn't thought about the spin friendly wicket angle. I had thought about Chawla maybe being somebody that MKM can chat to and maybe pick up something useful from.
MKM got better the further he got into his spell today. I hope we bat with enough patience to get a good lead and give him a chance for a long bowl in their 2nd dig.
MKM got better the further he got into his spell today. I hope we bat with enough patience to get a good lead and give him a chance for a long bowl in their 2nd dig.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 20:06
p.s. if it's a real bunsen burner, maybe there's a slim hope we could even see Max Waller too!?
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 11/06/2009 22:41
I had to stop following the match during the afternoon when Munday was not bowling very well (in somewhat unsympathetic conditions, I suspect). Congratulations to Langer for persisting with him and probably doing much for his confidence, given that he ended with two wickets.
A very good sign for the future
LoL
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A very good sign for the future
LoL
Sixty-one Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2009 00:57
Absolutely right,LoL.
Give the boys time,they'll come good.
Wonderful that we have a captain who is prepared to back their ability,well done skip.
Just seen this on the Yorkie website.
It should give us an idea of conditions up there.
It's all very dark at the moment.
It must be bedtime.
Webcam
Trego for England
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Give the boys time,they'll come good.
Wonderful that we have a captain who is prepared to back their ability,well done skip.
Just seen this on the Yorkie website.
It should give us an idea of conditions up there.
It's all very dark at the moment.
It must be bedtime.
Webcam
Trego for England
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Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: TykesRUs (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2009 07:46
Well Big Jim,even in wonderful Yorkshire it tends to get a bit dark at one o'clock in the morning.
Now,what's this you've been writing,referring to our lads as ferrets.I don't want to fall out with you especially as you're buying me a pint in a couple of weeks time.Anyway,we'll all have a better idea of how this game will go by stumps this evening,but I will concede that you're ahead on points to use boxing parlance at the moment.
Watch out though for the ferrets bite;they've been trained by Compo.
Now,what's this you've been writing,referring to our lads as ferrets.I don't want to fall out with you especially as you're buying me a pint in a couple of weeks time.Anyway,we'll all have a better idea of how this game will go by stumps this evening,but I will concede that you're ahead on points to use boxing parlance at the moment.
Watch out though for the ferrets bite;they've been trained by Compo.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2009 07:57
And they make a nice drink as in Firsty Ferrett.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2009 09:24
Hello Tykes,no problems.
I thought I was being polite after reading some comments about our bowling attack on your forum yesterday.
Nothing wrong with ferrets.
We all know they go in after the rabbits.
Let's hope our rejects and trundlers can take care of them this morning.
Trego for England
I thought I was being polite after reading some comments about our bowling attack on your forum yesterday.
Nothing wrong with ferrets.
We all know they go in after the rabbits.
Let's hope our rejects and trundlers can take care of them this morning.
Trego for England
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2009 10:30
And it appears they have done as requested
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2009 10:31
Looks like a fairly clinical performance first up this morning from the boys, to follow up yesterday's efforts.
Now over to the batters!
Now over to the batters!
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2009 10:32
Oh Dear, it looks lke it's going to be a long day. Favorable condtions for swing!!!!!
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2009 10:33
Hoggy with a point to prove is a dangerous beast!
Edit: and he does love left-handers for breakfast!
Can we please seriously consider having a word with him about 2010?
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Edit: and he does love left-handers for breakfast!
Can we please seriously consider having a word with him about 2010?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009:06:12:10:34:48 by Frome Exile.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2009 10:36
When I wrote the above CricInfo said he'd only got one!
I guess Fizz already knew otherwise.
I guess Fizz already knew otherwise.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2009 10:36
Don't know if lll will be happy or not.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2009 11:05
Struggling to reach 100 at this rate. Big chance to shine for Craig
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: edinburghbil (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2009 11:28
Another case of batting points are for wimps ? We do seem to have been poor at batting first time around over the years.
Might regret having 3 number 11s!
Might regret having 3 number 11s!
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2009 11:34
Too old this Hoggard chap.
Trego for England
Trego for England
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2009 11:45
One swallow doesn't make a summer!
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2009 11:53
Except when that "swallow" exhibits negative vibes it seems.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009:06:12:11:55:17 by Grockle.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2009 11:53
Hmmm. More wickets than Yorks' next best two bowlers in this match combined, and more than any one of oyurs bar Willo.
One swallow?
One swallow?
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2009 17:25
Good work by Craig, Alfonso and the others down the bottom to rescue the top order disaster this afternoon.
Fear we may be in trouble here if the pitch deteriorates as bad on days 3 and 4 as has been talked about.
Fear we may be in trouble here if the pitch deteriorates as bad on days 3 and 4 as has been talked about.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: TykesRUs (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2009 20:02
Hi again Big Jim (and the rest of you)
Further to my earlier post in which I said that the scores at the end of today's play would give us a better idea about how the game would go,Well,the Hogster and Auntie (Wainwright) have probably got us ahead on points now.
However,we need to bat well because I can't see us getting your top five out as cheaply in your second knock.M
ind you,although Keiswetter is capable of another big score I doubt if Thomas and Stiff will score heavily second time around.
Every chance of the game rivalling last year's game at Taunton which was a classic.May the best team (us) win.
Oh,little little lewis,no you can't have Hoggy.
Regards
Further to my earlier post in which I said that the scores at the end of today's play would give us a better idea about how the game would go,Well,the Hogster and Auntie (Wainwright) have probably got us ahead on points now.
However,we need to bat well because I can't see us getting your top five out as cheaply in your second knock.M
ind you,although Keiswetter is capable of another big score I doubt if Thomas and Stiff will score heavily second time around.
Every chance of the game rivalling last year's game at Taunton which was a classic.May the best team (us) win.
Oh,little little lewis,no you can't have Hoggy.
Regards
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2009 20:29
He wouldn't want to leave his nice Peak District home, with the swallows.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2009 21:12
Hello Tykes,good to see you,as always.
Hoggard is an absolute star,still one of the best in the land in my opinion and well worthy of a place in the Ashes squad.
It sounds like an intriguing days play,I make you slight favourites at the moment.
Not that that accolade counts for much as the game at Lord's tonight showed.
Here's hoping to fine weather and a fair result.
Not a lot more we can ask for.
Trego for England
Hoggard is an absolute star,still one of the best in the land in my opinion and well worthy of a place in the Ashes squad.
It sounds like an intriguing days play,I make you slight favourites at the moment.
Not that that accolade counts for much as the game at Lord's tonight showed.
Here's hoping to fine weather and a fair result.
Not a lot more we can ask for.
Trego for England
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2009 21:50
Well, I stand by my comments that I made before the game that I thought we had too many bowlers in the party (and prospective team) and that we should have been looking to add a batsman (compared to the team we played at Old Trafford, for Headingley.)
I'm sure SP will tell me that Hoggard bowled really well etc etc and so it's not right to criticise our top order performance.
That may be so but in terms of the BALANCE of the team selected, I don't think that washes - After all, precisely how surprising was it that Matthew Hoggard bowled well with a new ball? I'll exclude the few people here who claimed that SCCC should not show interest in Matthew and guess that, for the rest of us, it was very little surprise at all.
One might surmise - from our scorecard - that batting was easier in our innings later on in the piece.
Thus, if we'd had, say, a Wes Durston in the team then it's perfectly possible that we may have reached parity or taken a lead on first innings, in spite of the abysmal start.
I'm sure SP will tell me that Hoggard bowled really well etc etc and so it's not right to criticise our top order performance.
That may be so but in terms of the BALANCE of the team selected, I don't think that washes - After all, precisely how surprising was it that Matthew Hoggard bowled well with a new ball? I'll exclude the few people here who claimed that SCCC should not show interest in Matthew and guess that, for the rest of us, it was very little surprise at all.
One might surmise - from our scorecard - that batting was easier in our innings later on in the piece.
Thus, if we'd had, say, a Wes Durston in the team then it's perfectly possible that we may have reached parity or taken a lead on first innings, in spite of the abysmal start.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2009 21:57
Have to say, as well, of course for that the 2nd day in a row we fought back well from being a bit of a hole.
But it's surely the case that guys like Neil Edwards and Wes Durston HAVE to come into contention soon (unless the batting improves)? We can't keep failing to get many first innings batting points. The only way we can stay up without getting plenty of first innings batting points, is to actually start winning plenty of games.
I'd say there are a number of people who need runs either in the 2nd dig here or at Hove;
Suppiah (despite valiant effort today.)
Langer (if he expects us to just ink him to a new deal - when was the last time he made a score - FPT group stages, I'd guess?)
Trego - we desperately needed him to fire today after bad start. His HS in the CC this season remains 23. Either he needs a score or two, or he needs a slew of wickets. One or t'other. Both would be nice, of course.
De Bruyn - two 50s at Trent Bridge but a big fat zero in the CC otherwise. Like Pete some excellent stuff in the one-dayers but not contributing with the bat in the CC.
On top of that, I'd say that Stiff and Munday will both be looking to bowl with more control in the Yorks 2nd dig.
But it's surely the case that guys like Neil Edwards and Wes Durston HAVE to come into contention soon (unless the batting improves)? We can't keep failing to get many first innings batting points. The only way we can stay up without getting plenty of first innings batting points, is to actually start winning plenty of games.
I'd say there are a number of people who need runs either in the 2nd dig here or at Hove;
Suppiah (despite valiant effort today.)
Langer (if he expects us to just ink him to a new deal - when was the last time he made a score - FPT group stages, I'd guess?)
Trego - we desperately needed him to fire today after bad start. His HS in the CC this season remains 23. Either he needs a score or two, or he needs a slew of wickets. One or t'other. Both would be nice, of course.
De Bruyn - two 50s at Trent Bridge but a big fat zero in the CC otherwise. Like Pete some excellent stuff in the one-dayers but not contributing with the bat in the CC.
On top of that, I'd say that Stiff and Munday will both be looking to bowl with more control in the Yorks 2nd dig.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2009 21:57
Also with Willoughby and Munday we had two none batters in the team
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2009 22:03
Yep - Stiff did very well though, which was a bonus. He also did quite well in the 2nd dig at Trent Bridge, too, if memory serves.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2009 22:05
Willo is a star with the bat Mike.
Have you been paying attention.
Have you been paying attention.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2009 22:08
Of course, another guy who might have been useful in the wake of a top order collapse would have been you know who - IDB. I note that Ian made an unbeaten 60 odd out of the wreckage of a Durham innings that has totalled only 122 for 6, despite Ian's best efforts.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2009 22:09
As for this one then, frankly, I don't think we can let Yorks total more than 200 in their 2nd dig if we hope to win.
And even then, we'd have to hope to God that the ball does not swing quite so much for Hoggy!
And even then, we'd have to hope to God that the ball does not swing quite so much for Hoggy!
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2009 22:18
Sorry Rob I must have fallen asleep.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2009 22:30
Good job I'm awake and alert.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Forward Defensive (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2009 22:54
I've just watched two of the oddest days cricket.
The best batsmen have all failed - Rudolph, McGrath, Trescothick, Langer, Hildreth - but others have been in little trouble, Sayers and Bresnan for us, and even young Bairstow on debut, Keiswetter and Thomas, and even Stiff, for you.
I thought the Somerset bowling on day 1 was abysmal, Willoughby excepted, though they did all improve as the day wore on. And for some reason our batsmen were unable to feed on the feast of long-hops and full-tosses.
Day 1 was cool at times, but not cold by any stretch as some have suggested; Friday was roasting. I missed the first 50 minutes' play, and that meant 6 wickets, our last 2 and your first 4. If Hoggy swung the ball that's about the first time for 2 seasons!
Thomas played our bowling with such ease that I don't think Yorkshire will feel safe even with a lead of 350, should they achieve this sometime Saturday after tea. We should have played two spinners.
Anyone's game. Could be as close as Taunton 08, dunno if my ageing heart could stand that again.
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The best batsmen have all failed - Rudolph, McGrath, Trescothick, Langer, Hildreth - but others have been in little trouble, Sayers and Bresnan for us, and even young Bairstow on debut, Keiswetter and Thomas, and even Stiff, for you.
I thought the Somerset bowling on day 1 was abysmal, Willoughby excepted, though they did all improve as the day wore on. And for some reason our batsmen were unable to feed on the feast of long-hops and full-tosses.
Day 1 was cool at times, but not cold by any stretch as some have suggested; Friday was roasting. I missed the first 50 minutes' play, and that meant 6 wickets, our last 2 and your first 4. If Hoggy swung the ball that's about the first time for 2 seasons!
Thomas played our bowling with such ease that I don't think Yorkshire will feel safe even with a lead of 350, should they achieve this sometime Saturday after tea. We should have played two spinners.
Anyone's game. Could be as close as Taunton 08, dunno if my ageing heart could stand that again.
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Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/06/2009 22:59
Our coach thinks we cannot afford to have to chase any more than 250. He is expecting some pretty dramatic turn by the final innings. I think we can be quite glad that Rashid is on international duty.
When I said that it was cold, I meant for bowling wrist-spin - it's not easy to get the arm to turn over in the required manner in cold weather.
The reason why I thought it was cold is that the weather thing on cricinfo said it was 11 degrees at the start and I don't think it went about 14 all day (on Thursday, I mean.)
When I said that it was cold, I meant for bowling wrist-spin - it's not easy to get the arm to turn over in the required manner in cold weather.
The reason why I thought it was cold is that the weather thing on cricinfo said it was 11 degrees at the start and I don't think it went about 14 all day (on Thursday, I mean.)
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Congar (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 05:10
Good effort by our later order bats today, and I'll take Yorks 26/1 at the end of play.
Matthew, come and play for us next season. Follow a Yorkshire legend to Somerset and play for England again as he did!
Matthew, come and play for us next season. Follow a Yorkshire legend to Somerset and play for England again as he did!
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 09:23
Well, forecast for today seems to be a little bit cloudier than for tomorrow. Which could be good for us.
It's also forecast to be far warmer today than it was on Thursday, so I hope that that will help MKM.
p.s. LoL - I wonder if - once the new ball has lost its shine - we might see Charl reprise those slow left-armers today on this turning Leeds track?
It's also forecast to be far warmer today than it was on Thursday, so I hope that that will help MKM.
p.s. LoL - I wonder if - once the new ball has lost its shine - we might see Charl reprise those slow left-armers today on this turning Leeds track?
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 10:25
With their top batsman gone we can now mop this bunch up.(I'm only joking Tykes)
Trego for England
Trego for England
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 10:39
Well Thommo likes the conditions today it seems!!!
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 10:40
Our Alfie has got them on the ropes.
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Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 11:04
Munday not bowling very well in his first over and how many times do a bad ball get a wicket.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 11:22
This is looking better 92 for 5 139 in the lead.
2 more before lunch would be good.
2 more before lunch would be good.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 11:29
For those not aware, commentary is on Radio Leeds. i got there via Cricinfo but it probably is also available via the BBC sport site.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 11:34
Yes it is, Grockle.
It sounds like Pete is bowling very well again, as he did in the first innings.
No sign of Stiff. I expect that Langer considers him too expensive in a situation where we are desperate to limit the eventual run chase. Perhaps we might see him vs the lower order, though?
It sounds like Pete is bowling very well again, as he did in the first innings.
No sign of Stiff. I expect that Langer considers him too expensive in a situation where we are desperate to limit the eventual run chase. Perhaps we might see him vs the lower order, though?
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 11:41
Plenty of swing out there today, apparently.
Suggests that IF we can wrap them up in a fairly summary fashion, then Hoggy will again be a huge handful.
With the pitch predicted (by Hurry) to turn prodigiously, and Hoggy a specialist against the southpaws, I think we could gamble on switching Craig and Banger. Banger is our best player of spin (best in country if you ask me) and it would keep him away from Hoggy too. I think it's worth considering, but don't suppose for a moment that it would happen.
Suggests that IF we can wrap them up in a fairly summary fashion, then Hoggy will again be a huge handful.
With the pitch predicted (by Hurry) to turn prodigiously, and Hoggy a specialist against the southpaws, I think we could gamble on switching Craig and Banger. Banger is our best player of spin (best in country if you ask me) and it would keep him away from Hoggy too. I think it's worth considering, but don't suppose for a moment that it would happen.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 11:45
And no sooner do I say that, then we get MKM and Stiff in tandem!
Hold on to your hats everyone!!
Hold on to your hats everyone!!
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 11:55
What an interesting morning.
This could be quite an exciting one.
My hat is being well and truly held onto.
Trego for England
This could be quite an exciting one.
My hat is being well and truly held onto.
Trego for England
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 11:57
Brophy LBW b Stiff 14.
What is it about Yorks, Jim, that we seem to get so many riveting contests with them?
I suppose the teams must be pretty evenly matched?
What is it about Yorks, Jim, that we seem to get so many riveting contests with them?
I suppose the teams must be pretty evenly matched?
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 12:01
Don't want to tempt much fate but, after his initial bad over (in which he got a wicket) it sounds like MKM is settling down and bowling quite nicely. Two slips in now.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 12:54
be good for MM to polish off the tail.
dont fancy chasing more than 230/240, lets wrap this up sharpish boys...
dont fancy chasing more than 230/240, lets wrap this up sharpish boys...
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 12:56
Hurry says we really would not fancy anything more than 250. Yorks are bound to have seen that. And if they get that kind of lead, they will feel very confident.
Our biggest problem is that our batting line-up is not exactly brimming with form and runs.
I think we'll be back to Willow and Thomas soon (or Trego.)
Our biggest problem is that our batting line-up is not exactly brimming with form and runs.
I think we'll be back to Willow and Thomas soon (or Trego.)
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 13:00
wow.. taken at the 2nd attempt by Banger, Stiff gets wicket in the midst of an over from hell, by the sounds of it (all over the place.)
Rana Naved in now. Very dangerous player. Could take the game away quickly. I hope he has a rush of blood.
Big test for young Bairstow, now.
Rana Naved in now. Very dangerous player. Could take the game away quickly. I hope he has a rush of blood.
Big test for young Bairstow, now.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 13:06
commentators very critical of Langer for keeping Stiff/Munday in tandem. They say that they are leaking too many runs and might end up costing us the game.
On the other hand, I think they also fear that both have certain golden arm tendencies.
On the other hand, I think they also fear that both have certain golden arm tendencies.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 13:06
We do have quite an amazing history with Yorkshire,going back to the very earliest days.
It must be that the teams are evenly balanced.
This one is getting more exciting by the minute.
Trego for England
It must be that the teams are evenly balanced.
This one is getting more exciting by the minute.
Trego for England
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 13:11
bowl them out for 200 and its game on, much more and its going to be hard work.
should definitely be a result provided we bowl them out by 5pm as we'll have 'time' to get up to 350ish, if not the number of batsmen...
should definitely be a result provided we bowl them out by 5pm as we'll have 'time' to get up to 350ish, if not the number of batsmen...
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 13:12
I take it (and hope) you have the commentary today, Jim?
I have to say, I do agree that we should take at least one of Stiff/Munday off so as to be able to exert control at one end.
I have to say, I do agree that we should take at least one of Stiff/Munday off so as to be able to exert control at one end.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 13:13
Commentators being very critical of Langer?
We've got them on ther ropes and they can be critical?
If I was him I'd tear up to their little box and offer them the chance to do better.
Or something like that anyway.
Trego for England
We've got them on ther ropes and they can be critical?
If I was him I'd tear up to their little box and offer them the chance to do better.
Or something like that anyway.
Trego for England
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 13:14
I can only follow on Cricinfo I'm afraid.
The wife is ill and I've got nurses and doctors coming in.
A right pain in the harris.
Trego for England
The wife is ill and I've got nurses and doctors coming in.
A right pain in the harris.
Trego for England
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 13:14
Well, sounds like Pete is being readied now, anyway.
And in this over, Stiff suddenly seems to be bowling a better over again.
And in this over, Stiff suddenly seems to be bowling a better over again.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 13:24
Have to agree with the radio BJ.
Stiff is dangerous at times and Munday is something they don't see often but they can both leak runs and you've got to put someone to hold the rate down at the other end. Use them by all means but not together if you can help it.
They've put a lot on since lunch and we haven't got many to play with.
Trigger, Charl and Thomo ought to be in to close down the back five. Stiffy has his spells but he gets tired and produces kaka when he's flagging a bit.
Stiff is dangerous at times and Munday is something they don't see often but they can both leak runs and you've got to put someone to hold the rate down at the other end. Use them by all means but not together if you can help it.
They've put a lot on since lunch and we haven't got many to play with.
Trigger, Charl and Thomo ought to be in to close down the back five. Stiffy has his spells but he gets tired and produces kaka when he's flagging a bit.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 13:28
Sorry to hear that, Jim.
And, yup, Grockle, it's threatening to get away from us, given the lack of CC runs this season of Arul, Zander and Pete and lack of recent runs for Langer, plus having Willow and Munday in the same side.
And, yup, Grockle, it's threatening to get away from us, given the lack of CC runs this season of Arul, Zander and Pete and lack of recent runs for Langer, plus having Willow and Munday in the same side.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 13:45
Charl and Trigger on to put the brakes on before Bairstow (great to see that name on a Yorkshire team sheet again) and partners take this game away from us. The ball was swinging and probably will tomorrow morning.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 13:46
We'll win.
Trego for England
Trego for England
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 13:48
Great wicket for Willoughby - and I really like the sound of young Bairstow.
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Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 13:48
Well caught by Langer off Willow - that was desperately needed and now we need to wrap it all up very quickly indeed and then avoid sinking to a 40 for 4 style disaster.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 13:50
Yes, LoL, Bairstow sounds tremendous.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 13:55
Have to agree with the Yorks radio guys about Vaughan, too.
He's had chance after chance after chance and I've no idea when the last time he made significant CC runs was?
Even if he's fit for their next game, I would end the pattern of everyone else having to be moved around/dropped etc just to accommodate Vaughan.
He's had chance after chance after chance and I've no idea when the last time he made significant CC runs was?
Even if he's fit for their next game, I would end the pattern of everyone else having to be moved around/dropped etc just to accommodate Vaughan.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 13:57
I'm not saying I don't think the bowler should be changed.
I don't think they should be being highly critical of Langer,that is all.
Not every captain can be perfect all the time.
He's done pretty well so far.
They need to get the balance right.
Trego for England
I don't think they should be being highly critical of Langer,that is all.
Not every captain can be perfect all the time.
He's done pretty well so far.
They need to get the balance right.
Trego for England
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 13:57
Well done willow, come on lads, less than 200 and lets chase 250, lets finish the job
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 14:00
Got that nasty feeling that we let 30 or so runs leak away unnecessarily after lunch.
Having said that, we do have to be careful with the workload on Willow and Thomas bowled forever this morning.
Having said that, we do have to be careful with the workload on Willow and Thomas bowled forever this morning.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 14:02
Congratulations to young Bairstow on scoring fifty in his second first-class innings.
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Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 14:10
Magnificent catch by Arul Suppiah, apparently. They said that Pete's catch, earlier, was also brilliant.
Catching has been very, very good in these past two CC games.
I might have to go for a long walk shortly, though.
I can't often bear to listen to us bat in the CC unless I'm feeling very confident about our batting, which I'm not at the moment. I tend to feel a lot happier listening to us bowl, simply on the basis that we only need 10 good balls to get the job done and/or some bad shots..
Catching has been very, very good in these past two CC games.
I might have to go for a long walk shortly, though.
I can't often bear to listen to us bat in the CC unless I'm feeling very confident about our batting, which I'm not at the moment. I tend to feel a lot happier listening to us bowl, simply on the basis that we only need 10 good balls to get the job done and/or some bad shots..
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 14:16
9 down? bbc still says 188-8!
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 14:17
sorry guys, I hexed the catching, Bairstow missed quite badly, I believe.
p.s. yes, last pair are together.
p.s. yes, last pair are together.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 14:21
Who's this Arlo Thomas bloke?
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Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 14:23
Not sure. He sounds quite useful, though. They seem awfully impressed with him.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 14:25
lets hope he gets the last one then...
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 14:25
Their no. 11 averages 30!
We're playing 3 no. 11s (notwithstanding Stiffy's excellent effort in the first innings), they aren't playing any - that's more unfair than a Stuart Broad run-up!
We're playing 3 no. 11s (notwithstanding Stiffy's excellent effort in the first innings), they aren't playing any - that's more unfair than a Stuart Broad run-up!
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 14:33
That catch was a BIG miss I'm afraid
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 14:35
Body language not good.
and now a drop catch.
I hope the Somerset management is listening to the commentary.
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and now a drop catch.
I hope the Somerset management is listening to the commentary.
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Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 14:39
And now Langer has cocked it up again with a really poor drop. Apparently he's been mooching around sulking since the first drop and has now put down a second one.
Not doing much to demand a new contract.
Not doing much to demand a new contract.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 14:40
Which catch was that, then?
A very poor session for Somerset.
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A very poor session for Somerset.
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Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 14:44
113-6 to 223-9, tail being the problem as usual, need a realy good session with the bat tonight when we get a chance.
Solid tonight will set up a cracking last day, no rush at all, it's all about stayign there...
Solid tonight will set up a cracking last day, no rush at all, it's all about stayign there...
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 14:44
If BJ's gone off to watch some amateur rugby match in South Africa, then it's HIS fault.
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Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 14:46
The one that was put down off Bairstow. Not put down by Langer but he, apparently, started sulking at that point.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 14:50
282 to win at present, this is getting away from us big time
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 14:57
It was my fault for saying that catching had been really good.
The only glimmer is that both sides have recovered well against an old ball.
BUT.. that's only a glimmer if we avoid quite such a disastrous start in this innings as in the first one (and Yorks second.) Indeed, I think both sides were about 113 for six, before recovering.
You get the impression that morale is collapsing, though, and that's the real worry.
The only glimmer is that both sides have recovered well against an old ball.
BUT.. that's only a glimmer if we avoid quite such a disastrous start in this innings as in the first one (and Yorks second.) Indeed, I think both sides were about 113 for six, before recovering.
You get the impression that morale is collapsing, though, and that's the real worry.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 15:03
Right.. instead of sulking and kicking the ground, Langer needs to do what Graeme Smith would surely do and give everyone a lift in the dressing room.
With hindsight, I don't think Hurry's comments about us not wanting to chase more than 250 were helpful, though he was not to know we'd mess it up vs their lower order.
With hindsight, I don't think Hurry's comments about us not wanting to chase more than 250 were helpful, though he was not to know we'd mess it up vs their lower order.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 15:05
finally, MM to the rescue!
right, 296 to win, tough indeed but not impossible, huge 2 hours with the bat now, time for our big boys to show up, Tres and JL need to lead the way.
must be 130+ overs to get them so lets be sensible...
right, 296 to win, tough indeed but not impossible, huge 2 hours with the bat now, time for our big boys to show up, Tres and JL need to lead the way.
must be 130+ overs to get them so lets be sensible...
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 15:54
Tresco dropped at second slip by Andrew Gale at about 16.52.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 16:02
lets hope he make him pay...
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 16:08
Suppiah bowled middle stump... not good.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 16:10
i do like Suppiah but it surely has to be time for Edwards to return now, unless he's done something to upset Langer as the large non mention of him over first few months seems very odd seeing how he was touted as first choice opener pre season.
Big captains innings required now please Justin
Big captains innings required now please Justin
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 16:21
... but he's only a small captain.
(but couldn't agree more about Edwards)
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(but couldn't agree more about Edwards)
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Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 16:25
There is, of course, the alternative that Langer could actually go out there and do the job himself.
Personally, I'd guess that Suppiah will stay in for one more shot at it at Hove and then, if he does not succeed there, then we will see Langer move back to open and "our," Wesley Durston would then come into the team.
Of course, I could be totally wrong and it might be that we see someone like Chris Jones come into the team for a debut.
Personally, I'd guess that Suppiah will stay in for one more shot at it at Hove and then, if he does not succeed there, then we will see Langer move back to open and "our," Wesley Durston would then come into the team.
Of course, I could be totally wrong and it might be that we see someone like Chris Jones come into the team for a debut.
Re: Yorks vs SCCC
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2009 16:33
Yorks spinner possibly has injury to his bowling hand. He's not on the field at present.
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