2000 here we come
Lancashire LVCC1
2000 here we come
By Grockle
September 12 2009
Lancashire arrive and this time they don't bring the rain weith them. Four days of cricket in brilliant sunsine we would have killed for in July. Big batting performances from many but no bowler to get amn them and take those five that rip the heart out of an innings.
2000 here we come
September 12 2009
Lancashire arrive and this time they don't bring the rain weith them. Four days of cricket in brilliant sunsine we would have killed for in July. Big batting performances from many but no bowler to get amn them and take those five that rip the heart out of an innings.
v Lancashire LVCC1 @ Taunton Wednesday 9 September 2009
No day by day analysis of this game I'm afraid. This is partly due to going back to work at a new job and partly because of very 'iffy' Wi-Fi on the ground during the times I was there.
No Justin Langer in the side because of a shoulder injury incurred during the loss to Essex in the floodlit game the night before thias game. The first day started late because of this. This gave an opportunity to one of our hopefuls for the future as Jos Buttler comes in for his captain.
The team is; Trescothick, Suppiah, Hildreth, de Bruyn, Buttler, Trego, Kieswetter, Thomas, Stiff, Phillips, Willoughby
A seam heavy attack with the spin option being provided by Suppiah who seemed to be carrying some kind of hand injury in the one day game and wasn't bowled at all. Good weather is predicted and we may rue not playing two spinners if this game goes to four days.
Lancashire are put in by Marcus in the hope for some early movement but that doesn't really happen and after a 50+ partnership for the first wicket Phillips and Willoughby finally get among them when Loye is LBW to Willow after Phillips had ld boy Sutton caught behind. With 99 on the board the visitors crumble to 153 for 5 before Horton and Hogg resettle things with a superb partnership that takes the Red Rose through the first day and into the second in the driving seat. Finishing the first day a few short of 300 with the Somerset bowling attack toiling to find a way through the two, they must have expected to take a big lead into the home side's first batting appearance.
However, Somerset's bowlers re-set themselves overnight and come out firing on the second morning. From 297 for 5 at stumps, Lancashire only manage 344 all out as Charl Willoughby does it again with the ball (5 for 109), ably supported by Phillips.
We are batting by lunchtime and the Trescothick/Suppiah show gets into its groove putting on 193 for the first wicket before Mighty Banger goes for 106. After a little pause for breath and a space of quiet, in comes Kieswetter and Trego to smash 153 and 80 respectively at about a run a ball and while they are doing that, Zander adds another 71 and we are 557 for 8 declared by the end of the second day and asking Lancashire to take the park with the bat once again before Tea on Day 3.
Get em in and get 'em out is the plan. Sutton goes early and then Horton uncharacteristically flails at one and we have Laxman and Loye at the crease before stumps! Looking good.
But it stops there. Laxman and Loye are still there at 4:20 on Day 4 - no wickets in the day. 12 points for the draw. Willow bowling spin at the end of the day and no-one really taking this game by the neck on Day 4 able to break the batsmen's resolve. We are still a bowler short of being decisive in these situations and we have to accept 12 points instead of 20+.
On to the Pro40 still with the chance of silver....Hampshire tomorrow!! Worcestershire here on Wednesday to finish the LVcc and the possibility of runners up position - with the respective money associated to it.
We need to plan for these days in the winter however...if we get four days we need to get 20 wickets!!
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LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2009 00:07
On a previous thread it was stated that today's game was a 11.30 start but the main site says 10.30.Cricinfo says 11.30.
It may be worth a call in morning unless you know better.
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It may be worth a call in morning unless you know better.
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Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2009 03:17
Lancashire site says 11.30 start.
Peter Moores is looking for at least a good solid draw,so don't expect too many chances being taken by them.
Peter Moores is looking for at least a good solid draw,so don't expect too many chances being taken by them.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2009 06:27
I remember the days (earlier in 2009, I think) when there was a one-day gap between a night game and four-day game. Who did Somerset's fixtures this year?
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2009 07:00
It is on the fixture card at the bottom of the same page we are on.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2009 07:04
You don't miss much Mike.So the club site has got it wrong then.
That's better for me.See you later Mike.
Does anybody know which side today's wicket is?
That's better for me.See you later Mike.
Does anybody know which side today's wicket is?
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2009 07:21
See you Rob.
It's on the Gimblett side, so only part of the hill will have full view of all the playing area.
It's on the Gimblett side, so only part of the hill will have full view of all the playing area.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2009 07:34
Did you leave your bag on a seat last night?
Thanks for that.Hope to watch the whole day without any discomfort.
Thanks for that.Hope to watch the whole day without any discomfort.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2009 08:47
I think I read somewhere that today would be 11.30 rather than the usual Sepptember start time of 10.30 purely because of last night's match. Rest of the Lancs game will be 10.30.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2009 09:08
Correct, FE.
BR, I think Mike watched last night's game from the comfort of his armchair.
BR, I think Mike watched last night's game from the comfort of his armchair.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2009 09:40
Quote:Mike BOS
See you Rob.
It's on the Gimblett side, so only part of the hill will have full view of all the playing area.
Mike: your posting made an old man very happy. Not just a hill but a whole side has been named after our greatest native batsman. If we all use the same description, it could catch on.
LoL
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Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2009 09:54
"I remember the days (earlier in 2009, I think) when there was a one-day gap between a night game and four-day game. Who did Somerset's fixtures this year?"
Somebody with some kind of manic personality, I think.
Somebody with some kind of manic personality, I think.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2009 10:35
Very interesting side today, with Langer dropping out...
Good to see four Somerset-born players in the match.
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Good to see four Somerset-born players in the match.
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Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2009 10:48
Ay: a Keynsham boy opening each innings.
And a Millfield boy opening each innings, to boot!
And a Millfield boy opening each innings, to boot!
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2009 10:49
Good to see Buttler given a chance, but what about Waller? I wonder whay he's been omitted recently?
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2009 10:51
I think the ECB have announced a cap on the quota of Millfield boys to play in any team (except for Millfield).
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Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2009 10:56
Langer injured his shoulder fielding last night.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2009 11:21
An interesting decision to field first, which was presumably not made just by Tres.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2009 11:28
Langer Injured?? Turn it up!!!
Saw the ball hit his shoulder.should have a bruise at worst. I think maybe the future is being looked to here which I am all for.
Saw the ball hit his shoulder.should have a bruise at worst. I think maybe the future is being looked to here which I am all for.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2009 11:36
I only report what is quoted on the club site.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2009 11:40
Is the selection of Buttler based, in part, on fear/hopes that Craig will be with England soon?
i.e. Whilst I'm sure Craig will keep in this one, I wonder if they want to start to get Buttler's batting established at this level before we need to turn to him with the gauntlets?
i.e. Whilst I'm sure Craig will keep in this one, I wonder if they want to start to get Buttler's batting established at this level before we need to turn to him with the gauntlets?
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2009 12:16
By starting 1 hour late do we somehow catch up the 16 overs during the game
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2009 12:21
Yes.
Does it matter, FE?
Well, I'm must wondering if this selection means that Buttler has become the definitive first cab off the rank of choice in the minds of Mr Rose & Co or whether there is no such defniitive choice but he might have been picked, in preference to others e.g Jones, Lett, Durston, partly for the kind of reason I suggest.
Does it matter, FE?
Well, I'm must wondering if this selection means that Buttler has become the definitive first cab off the rank of choice in the minds of Mr Rose & Co or whether there is no such defniitive choice but he might have been picked, in preference to others e.g Jones, Lett, Durston, partly for the kind of reason I suggest.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2009 12:22
I would assume we just extend today by an hour - or is that too simple a solution?
I remember the time when all CC matches started on a Wednesday or a Saturday and hours of play were almost unfailingly
11.30 - 01.30
02.10 - 04.10
04.30 - 06.30
We knew exactly where and when we were in those days!
LoL
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I remember the time when all CC matches started on a Wednesday or a Saturday and hours of play were almost unfailingly
11.30 - 01.30
02.10 - 04.10
04.30 - 06.30
We knew exactly where and when we were in those days!
LoL
Sixty-one Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2009 12:27
The fact that he's in the 15 for India and none of those you name are, and possibly is in need of some proper cricket, probably has more bearing than planning for 2010.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2009 14:14
Going very well,we're ripping them up.
Trego for England
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Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2009 14:51
Not bad from Big Ben today,he's struck again.
Is it only me that's chiming up today?
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Is it only me that's chiming up today?
Trego for England
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: bloke (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2009 15:08
Quote:Loyal of Lhasa.
02.10 - 04.10
04.30 - 06.30
We knew exactly where and when we were in those days!
One presumes, LoL, that you were in bed...
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2009 16:26
A bit sick of this partnership, now.
I'd guess we'll be a bit disappointed that Kyle Hogg, with an average of 23 has, so far, made 49 against us.
I'd guess we'll be a bit disappointed that Kyle Hogg, with an average of 23 has, so far, made 49 against us.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: ronniesabre (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2009 16:56
think that why we are all crying out for new bowlers AG. We seem to get so far but that extra penetration is missing which stops us getting teams out regularly for a decent score. We have only bowled one team out for under 200 all season in CC matches (think that was sUssex and they made 199) We need to find it from somewhere
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2009 17:16
I'd love to know cjm's thoughts on today's decision to bat and the play.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2009 18:03
I think Ben Smith would be quite surprised to be credited as Durham`s captain, as he is the only player in the history of the English game to resign as a county captain - at Worcestershire - during the lunch interval of the second day of a New Road match in 2004.
Too many Smiths on the county scene, although I see Lancashire weren`t playing theirs today.
As for Botham`s query, surely it is too early for judgement at the end of just one shortened day`s play.
I did see, though, that Durham, who Somerset bowled out for around the 270 mark at Riverside last week, were nigh on 400 for the loss of just one wicket - and that to a run out - on the same track against Nottinghamshire today.
Too many Smiths on the county scene, although I see Lancashire weren`t playing theirs today.
As for Botham`s query, surely it is too early for judgement at the end of just one shortened day`s play.
I did see, though, that Durham, who Somerset bowled out for around the 270 mark at Riverside last week, were nigh on 400 for the loss of just one wicket - and that to a run out - on the same track against Nottinghamshire today.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2009 18:39
Bloke: I used the 0 in stating the times of play solely in order to ensure that the figures all lined up correctly. I'd thought of using the 24 hour clock but felt it inappropriate as it hadn;t been invented when I was a lad.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2009 19:14
The 24 hour clock, indeed.
I recall being a passenger on a double-decker bus about 40 years ago, at a time when the 'bus company had small posters displayed in the 'bus stating that with effect from a certain date - "This Company's timetables will be using the 24 hour clock."
When the conductor came around to issue the passengers with tickets, there was a dear old lady sitting next to me, and looking up at the poster, she said to the conductor, "I see that you are going to run your buses day and night now."
Fine for the Metropolis maybe, but not for a sleepy South of England town.
I recall being a passenger on a double-decker bus about 40 years ago, at a time when the 'bus company had small posters displayed in the 'bus stating that with effect from a certain date - "This Company's timetables will be using the 24 hour clock."
When the conductor came around to issue the passengers with tickets, there was a dear old lady sitting next to me, and looking up at the poster, she said to the conductor, "I see that you are going to run your buses day and night now."
Fine for the Metropolis maybe, but not for a sleepy South of England town.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2009 21:27
Photos on this match may be limited due to my bungalow having more tours than a stately home, if this result in a sale it will be worth it.
Full day today, only tomorrow morning, after lunch on Friday, all day on Saturday will available to watch cricket, providing nothing changes.
Day one photos.
The bowling today was very good for most of the day with a lot of shouts for lbw’s especially off Willoughby, only one miss I can remember by Kieswetter.
Hogg playing and missing from Stiff’s bowling.
Phillips I thought bowled with aggression, Sutton had trouble with a short ball from Phillips. He missed it and got hit on the side of his head and had to have treatment.
Peter Trego almost getting one past Hogg’s defences.
This turned out to be a miss we could have done without.
Horton was dropped by Kieswetter off de Bruyn.
Full day today, only tomorrow morning, after lunch on Friday, all day on Saturday will available to watch cricket, providing nothing changes.
Day one photos.
The bowling today was very good for most of the day with a lot of shouts for lbw’s especially off Willoughby, only one miss I can remember by Kieswetter.
Hogg playing and missing from Stiff’s bowling.
Phillips I thought bowled with aggression, Sutton had trouble with a short ball from Phillips. He missed it and got hit on the side of his head and had to have treatment.
Peter Trego almost getting one past Hogg’s defences.
This turned out to be a miss we could have done without.
Horton was dropped by Kieswetter off de Bruyn.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2009 22:11
Great photo's once again Mike.
Grizzzly
Grizzzly
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2009 22:33
Thanks Grizzzly.
The only thing today I thought Marcus may have done differently was not taking the new ball when there was eight overs to go.
Because of playing until six we only lost thirty minutes play today after a late start, this resulted in 88 over today instead of 96 normally, this would have meant that he could have taken a new ball for eight over tonight and had an almost new ball tomorrow.
It could be that he wanted a completely new ball tomorrow with fresh bowlers.
The only thing today I thought Marcus may have done differently was not taking the new ball when there was eight overs to go.
Because of playing until six we only lost thirty minutes play today after a late start, this resulted in 88 over today instead of 96 normally, this would have meant that he could have taken a new ball for eight over tonight and had an almost new ball tomorrow.
It could be that he wanted a completely new ball tomorrow with fresh bowlers.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 00:34
We did lose three overs due to shadows caused by the apartments.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 06:31
Well remembered Rob, that would have been five with a new ball if taken.
I have a vague memory of the rules being changed about shadows from a permanent fixtures, I thought that they couldn't go of because of it. (there is nothing more permanent than those flats)
I could be wrong.
I have a vague memory of the rules being changed about shadows from a permanent fixtures, I thought that they couldn't go of because of it. (there is nothing more permanent than those flats)
I could be wrong.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 06:36
They will have to be demolished.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 06:48
I have foung the rule.
9 3(b) If at any time the umpires together agree that the
conditions of ground, weather or light are so bad that
there is obvious and foreseeable risk to the safety of any
player or umpire, so that it would be unreasonable or
dangerous for play to take place, then they shall
immediately suspend play, or not allow play to
commence or to restart. The decision as to whether
conditions are so bad as to warrant such action is one
for the umpires alone to make.
The fact that the grass and the ball are wet and slippery
does not warrant the ground conditions being regarded
as unreasonable or dangerous. If the umpires consider
the ground is so wet or slippery as to deprive the bowler
of a reasonable foothold, the fielders of the power of free
movement, or the batsmen of the ability to play their
strokes or to run between the wickets, then these
conditions shall be regarded as so bad that it would be
unreasonable for play to take place.
The Umpires shall disregard any shadow on the pitch
from the stadium or from any permanent object on the
ground. [static.ecb.co.uk]
Were the umpires correct in going off?
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9 3(b) If at any time the umpires together agree that the
conditions of ground, weather or light are so bad that
there is obvious and foreseeable risk to the safety of any
player or umpire, so that it would be unreasonable or
dangerous for play to take place, then they shall
immediately suspend play, or not allow play to
commence or to restart. The decision as to whether
conditions are so bad as to warrant such action is one
for the umpires alone to make.
The fact that the grass and the ball are wet and slippery
does not warrant the ground conditions being regarded
as unreasonable or dangerous. If the umpires consider
the ground is so wet or slippery as to deprive the bowler
of a reasonable foothold, the fielders of the power of free
movement, or the batsmen of the ability to play their
strokes or to run between the wickets, then these
conditions shall be regarded as so bad that it would be
unreasonable for play to take place.
The Umpires shall disregard any shadow on the pitch
from the stadium or from any permanent object on the
ground. [static.ecb.co.uk]
Were the umpires correct in going off?
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Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 06:54
It did seen a little strange to just walk off on a bright sunny day.Perhaps Phil will have to take into consideration the time of sunset before choosing a wicket.It's a bit like Derby in reverse.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 07:02
The point I was making under the rules they should not have gone off.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 09:09
I suppose one could question whether the flats are a permanent object "on the ground"? Are they technically outside the ground?
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 09:21
Is Jeffrey Archer beyond the pale?
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Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 09:26
Beyond the pale?
Surely his fragrance is illuminating.
Trego for England
Surely his fragrance is illuminating.
Trego for England
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 09:42
Nice early strike from Willo.
Into the tail now.
Into the tail now.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 09:44
Nice two early strikes.
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Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 09:45
Grockle going to stickletise this thread?
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Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 09:47
I didn;'t mention it yesterday, but I thought Kieswetter was in with a good chance of the Somerset innings dismissals record with 4 of the first 5. Can't beat it now but the remaining 3 would equal Rob Turner's record.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 09:50
Dohn't think, FE, by answering PQQs that haven't actually been asked that you can get away with not answering the easy one about what happens when Trescothick scores five today!
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 09:56
Just imagine if Charl had been playing his cricket at the cabbage patch oop North.
He'd be the leading wicket taker ever.
I reckon he'd get over 2,000 dismissals in one season.
Would that be an entry for PQQ,LoL?
Trego for England
He'd be the leading wicket taker ever.
I reckon he'd get over 2,000 dismissals in one season.
Would that be an entry for PQQ,LoL?
Trego for England
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 10:08
Another one goes,let's get these ferrets out sharpish and destroy them.
There be life in this yet.
Trego for England
There be life in this yet.
Trego for England
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 10:58
And the ineffective Phillips finishes with 4 for 46 from 19.1 overs.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 10:59
Clearly Taunton has killed cricket this morning, with five wickets tumbling for about fifty. Frost will be sacked at lunchtime (and Willoughby given the freedom of Taunton).
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Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 11:00
One presumes of course that, Horton excepted, Lancashire have once again failed to play to their potential.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 11:17
Well he's done it!
Whatever "IT" is.
Whatever "IT" is.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 11:21
We seem to be suffering from the single-batsman syndrome among our opposition at the moment.
Chanderpaul`s 117 represented 44 per cent of Durham`s first innings 272 in our last match, and now Horton has notched up 173 out of Lnacashire`s 344. Even my feeble maths puts that at above 50 per cent of the total.
Chanderpaul`s 117 represented 44 per cent of Durham`s first innings 272 in our last match, and now Horton has notched up 173 out of Lnacashire`s 344. Even my feeble maths puts that at above 50 per cent of the total.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 11:27
I was just thinking how depressing it must have been for Notts to see SP's cousin come to the wicket with the score at 382 (and Blackwell still to come).
I think we have gained two points on Notts in the first innings of our respective matches.
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I think we have gained two points on Notts in the first innings of our respective matches.
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Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 11:31
Not for the first time the commentators have mentioned the three spires of Taunton. It's not really very difficult (is it?) to see that they are towers. Salisbury Cathedral has a spire, while Wells has three towers; Somerset is famous for its towers, so let's not misname them.
So Grockles does work... within minutes of posting the above the "spires" have been mentioned as "towers"!
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So Grockles does work... within minutes of posting the above the "spires" have been mentioned as "towers"!
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Sixty-one Seasons a Somerset Supporter
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Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 12:20
Dew dew.
You are clever mind.
I've learnt something this morning at least.
I'm not sure what it is but learnt it I have.
Trego for England
You are clever mind.
I've learnt something this morning at least.
I'm not sure what it is but learnt it I have.
Trego for England
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: bloke (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 13:03
Yesterday I had the pleasure of a BBC Somerset or a BBC Lancs commentary on the current CC game, but today it is only BBC Lancs (which is better than nothing of course). Is anyone else wondering why this is, or better still listening to BBC Somerset somehow?
Sadly, the Grockle/pals commentary has been unavailable to me for some weeks for technical reasons that I fail to grasp.
Sadly, the Grockle/pals commentary has been unavailable to me for some weeks for technical reasons that I fail to grasp.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 13:07
I can no longer get any of it - BBC stuff because of their Real Player exclusivity, and the RNIB/Blackacre stuff hasn't worked for me during this match.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 13:19
Somerset are playing Lancashire at Taunton, FE. We'll tell you about it later.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 13:28
For those of you who don't dip into PQQ, here are some figures about Trescothick:
When he reached 5 this morning, his season's total exceeded 10% of his career aggregate (after 17 seasons)
By reached 49 he guaranteed that his career average will be 40+ even if he is out.
If he reaches 109 in this innings, he will have scored 10,000 runs for Somerset (FE will soon tell me if I'm wrong).
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Sixty-one Seasons a Somerset Supporter
When he reached 5 this morning, his season's total exceeded 10% of his career aggregate (after 17 seasons)
By reached 49 he guaranteed that his career average will be 40+ even if he is out.
If he reaches 109 in this innings, he will have scored 10,000 runs for Somerset (FE will soon tell me if I'm wrong).
LoL
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Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 13:31
By reaching 57, he left himself exactly 300 runs to get in this and three further innings to reach 2000.
And I concur with 109.
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And I concur with 109.
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Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 13:37
He needs to reach 189 before dismissal if this innings is to raise his career first-class average for Somerset to the forty mark.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 13:39
easy peasy
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Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 13:40
Another 50 for Arul - no-one (not even AG!) can say he hasn't grasped his chance this season.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 13:58
Absolutely right, SP. Yet the constant cry for much of the first half of the season, when Arul hovered just short of the 50 mark most times but no higher, was to replace him with Neil Edwards.
Sticking with Arul should at least win the management a few brownie points, especially as you have to add to his total the runs he has saved with outstanding fielding and catching.
Sticking with Arul should at least win the management a few brownie points, especially as you have to add to his total the runs he has saved with outstanding fielding and catching.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 14:11
We'd better get him signed up as soon as possible, any news on his "Status"
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 14:19
I have commentary now.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 14:33
Glad to hear it. Isn't it fun?
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Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 14:42
Excuse me, commentators, but VVS Laxman does not have any Christian names.
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Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 14:45
What a man, another 100.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 14:47
Is there any way of ensuring that the commentators acknowledge the 10,000?
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 14:47
The greatest living Englishman.
Imagine one's pleasure if one had scored eight fifties in a lifetime (I never scored one). MT has now scored eight in a single season, along with the small matter of eight centuries.
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Imagine one's pleasure if one had scored eight fifties in a lifetime (I never scored one). MT has now scored eight in a single season, along with the small matter of eight centuries.
LoL
Sixty-one Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 14:47
Magnificent effort from Charl to finish them up so quickly, I would guess?
If we can push on from here, then 2nd place could be very much on?
If we can push on from here, then 2nd place could be very much on?
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 14:48
Congratulations Banger - what a stunning season.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 14:50
What chance Lord Grockle will be in position after tea to acknowledge the feat?
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 14:53
some effort by Banger..Arul too. I have been most impressed with him this year. All rounder extrordinaire.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 14:53
And, hopefully, SP this is defence exhibit one in terms of showing that Banger's form will not be unduly affected by the captaincy.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 14:54
Good point, AG - as I've said all along, if he wants it (and he'll have had plenty of time to weigh things up) I'd certainly put Marcus in charge.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 14:55
25th first-class hundred for Somerset, to go with 51 fifties.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 14:56
Somerset scored their 4000th 2009 CC run at Taunton just before tea at an average of 65.57 per wicket and with 13 centuries. I know that that proves that Taunton is killing cricket, but the opposition's average is only 52.83 with 9 centuries.
We must stop being better than the opposition or we'll get our ground a bad name.
LoL
Sixty-one Seasons a Somerset Supporter
We must stop being better than the opposition or we'll get our ground a bad name.
LoL
Sixty-one Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 14:58
If only he were any good at not getting out in the nineties this season, it would be 29 centuries with 47 fifties.
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Sixty-one Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 14:58
Marcus' "Post-England" record for us now stands at:
M I NO Runs HS Ave 50 100
47 76 6 4346 284 62.08 21 15
Legend!
M I NO Runs HS Ave 50 100
47 76 6 4346 284 62.08 21 15
Legend!
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 15:00
Did you know Marcus's career first class hundreds is almost the same as his batting average.
It is not only LoL that know these things.
It is not only LoL that know these things.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 15:11
Some stellar conversion rates in Marcus's numbers, there, FE!!
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 15:16
Didn't do him any good though, did it? Looks like he needs seven in his next innings to reach 10.000 for SCCC.
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Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 15:18
Indeed. I shall hang my hexxing head in shame!
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 15:27
hes scored a lot of tons this year but one thing he wont be happy about is the conversion into big tons. Think his top score is 146 which isnt great considering the number of tons he has scored.
Splitting hairs here though!!
Splitting hairs here though!!
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 15:52
What a shame for Suppiah.
Hildreth needs to get a decent way towards the 113 he needs for his 1000.
Hildreth needs to get a decent way towards the 113 he needs for his 1000.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 16:02
Ooops! No more words of wisdom from me today!
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 16:04
108 short!
Hilders seems to either start or end the season well, but never both. He must be as frustrated as we are!
Hilders seems to either start or end the season well, but never both. He must be as frustrated as we are!
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 16:16
Mr Rose said the other week that he is 'promising, but needs work in terms of both temperament and technique.'
This was in the context of a discussion about whether A N Other ( I forget who) young player should be put into the England Test team.
This was in the context of a discussion about whether A N Other ( I forget who) young player should be put into the England Test team.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 16:31
Magnificent bowling & batting today. Trescothicks achievements are becoming legendary !
Grizzzly
Grizzzly
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 16:34
It's all to do with his feet.
Yes,he has a lovely set but he doesn't move them.
Well,he does or he couldn't walk but he tends to forget to move them occasionaly when he's batting.
I am no expert and the lad has more batting ability in his little toe than I could ever dream of having but he does,at times,struggle with his footwork.
I'm sure he's aware of it and is working on it.
Now then,my batting masterclass will continue here tomorrow at noon.
It'll be £75 an hour to VIP members.
And £100 an hour to Platinum members.
Free To Lord Archer who I will personally carry drinks for all afternoon.
All friends of Jeffrey will be dealt with accordingly.
Free tea and biscuits to all.
Apart from the Welsh.
Who can bring their own.
Trego for England
Yes,he has a lovely set but he doesn't move them.
Well,he does or he couldn't walk but he tends to forget to move them occasionaly when he's batting.
I am no expert and the lad has more batting ability in his little toe than I could ever dream of having but he does,at times,struggle with his footwork.
I'm sure he's aware of it and is working on it.
Now then,my batting masterclass will continue here tomorrow at noon.
It'll be £75 an hour to VIP members.
And £100 an hour to Platinum members.
Free To Lord Archer who I will personally carry drinks for all afternoon.
All friends of Jeffrey will be dealt with accordingly.
Free tea and biscuits to all.
Apart from the Welsh.
Who can bring their own.
Trego for England
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 16:43
Jeffrey Archer has friends?
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: JonR (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 17:07
Sorry if this has been mentioned elsewhere (I have a habit of repeating things), but I believe that puts Marcus joint 5th in both the "Most Hundreds in a Season for Somerset" and "Most Fifties in a Season for Somerset" rankings.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 17:16
Thanks Jon - especially noteworthy as they now play many fewer FC games than they used to, and there are games left to play.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 17:52
I was only there for this morning, listening to Grockle it was just like being at the ground.
2nd Days photos.
Arul Suppiah batting has got better and better throughout the season, some of his shots are getting closer to Marcus.
This leg glance brought Arul four runs.
Shots like this from Marcus always looks good, 4 runs.
When Marcus hits these shots through the covers it is nearly always four runs.
One of the easier catches going straight to Suppiah from Mahmood off the bowling of Thomas
2nd Days photos.
Arul Suppiah batting has got better and better throughout the season, some of his shots are getting closer to Marcus.
This leg glance brought Arul four runs.
Shots like this from Marcus always looks good, 4 runs.
When Marcus hits these shots through the covers it is nearly always four runs.
One of the easier catches going straight to Suppiah from Mahmood off the bowling of Thomas
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 19:32
Two spinners on and we lose five overs due to the shadows.What would Cliffthink.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 19:38
Perhaps the photo has done him a disservice but the picture of Mahmood makes me wonder what on earth he was even attempting to do?
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 19:46
It does look a bit like catching practice.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 19:49
I think he'd just followed through with his shot too early.
Am I right in thinking we've so far lost 8 overs from the match because of the shadows? Be a shame if we need those 8 overs to win on Saturday afternoon.
Management need to think about this for next, and future, seasons. Short-changing the spectators, losing overs if we're going for a win (or if the other side is, for that matter), incentive for struggling team to bowl overs slowly knowing that play will be called off early - unsatisfactory!
Am I right in thinking we've so far lost 8 overs from the match because of the shadows? Be a shame if we need those 8 overs to win on Saturday afternoon.
Management need to think about this for next, and future, seasons. Short-changing the spectators, losing overs if we're going for a win (or if the other side is, for that matter), incentive for struggling team to bowl overs slowly knowing that play will be called off early - unsatisfactory!
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 19:56
If we were in a tricky situation we could position Tractor between the sun and the wicket.
I'll leave the rest to your imagination.
I'll leave the rest to your imagination.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 20:26
Thank you for the comment Mike. Very much appreciated
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 20:56
Hi Grockle
How did young Buttler look in his knock towards the end of the day?
Nervy? Or more composed than that?
How did young Buttler look in his knock towards the end of the day?
Nervy? Or more composed than that?
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 21:03
Was he as composed as Strauss?
He's so small they call him Bach in Wales.
Sweet.
Trego for England
He's so small they call him Bach in Wales.
Sweet.
Trego for England
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 21:20
So glad that you now clearly consider Marcus to be the best ever Somerset-born batsman, LoL.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 21:27
Careful,Bobs.
He's not up to Gimblett class yet and LoL knows that.
The Watchet Warrior.
The Seaside Slayer.
Now he was the best.
Trego for England
He's not up to Gimblett class yet and LoL knows that.
The Watchet Warrior.
The Seaside Slayer.
Now he was the best.
Trego for England
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 21:28
I would say Josh look composed and got off the mark with a four.
There ain't no ferry to Glastonbury
There ain't no ferry to Glastonbury
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 21:34
If you want to get parochial Jim there are more of us than you Watchet inhabitants.
Watchet Warrior?Does he have a road named after him?
The Keynsham Clouter is number one,and if you don't behave me
I'll get lll to sort you out.
Watchet Warrior?Does he have a road named after him?
The Keynsham Clouter is number one,and if you don't behave me
I'll get lll to sort you out.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 21:40
A road?
West Somerset is called Gimblettshire by those in the know.
A road?
Come on,Rob.
Try harder now.
A motorway at least.
Trego for England
West Somerset is called Gimblettshire by those in the know.
A road?
Come on,Rob.
Try harder now.
A motorway at least.
Trego for England
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 22:00
He shares it with another Somerset legend.
It's called Trescothick Close.
Keynsham has only got a by pass so perhaps that could be called The Banger By pass.
It's called Trescothick Close.
Keynsham has only got a by pass so perhaps that could be called The Banger By pass.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 22:15
A very enjoyable day today.I thought Tres and Arul batted superbly.How fortunate we are to be able to watch a true master batsman playing in our team.Marcus is a top man and I am extremely grateful that he hasn't turned his back on his roots.
One concern I had was young Tractor,who seem to be fueling himself up for the winter.
Lets get stuck into them today.We can win this one and well if we don't beat Worcs we ought to pack up.
I am also worried about Mr Frost.I saw him laughing today.That man is not being serious enough.
One concern I had was young Tractor,who seem to be fueling himself up for the winter.
Lets get stuck into them today.We can win this one and well if we don't beat Worcs we ought to pack up.
I am also worried about Mr Frost.I saw him laughing today.That man is not being serious enough.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 10/09/2009 22:48
I note above that MikeB has been comparing Suppiah with Trescothick, which sounds like high praise - but I am wondering, the more I hear of his wristiness, whether the great Tendulkar is a more apt comparison. He has has a wonderful season - and would probably be worth his place for his fielding and the occasional over alone.
LoL
Sixty-one Seasons a Somerset Supporter
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Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 08:14
Joking apart, BJ, it's interesting that the career averages of the great Harold and of Marcus are almost identical.
Well they were last week when I looked.
Well they were last week when I looked.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 09:08
Another interesting piece from thisisbristol, with Banger talking about targeting 2000, and some words on Jos Buttler's debut.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 09:14
I couldn't agree more,Bobs.
It's the highest possible praise for Marcus to be compared to one of England's finest ever batsmen.
It's an honour for our beautiful county to have produced these incredible sportsmen.
Trego for England
It's the highest possible praise for Marcus to be compared to one of England's finest ever batsmen.
It's an honour for our beautiful county to have produced these incredible sportsmen.
Trego for England
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 10:04
Jos out just at the second I switched cricinfo on.
So my fault entirely and I take the blame, lads.
Promising first score though, I'd suggest.
So my fault entirely and I take the blame, lads.
Promising first score though, I'd suggest.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 10:10
I was thinking the same AG having just come inside after cutting the lawns.
When he was picked for the team I was wondering where he would bat, and was surprised when he came in at five, scoring 30 on his first team appearance was very good.
When he was picked for the team I was wondering where he would bat, and was surprised when he came in at five, scoring 30 on his first team appearance was very good.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 10:15
Well played Joss. Not only a steady 30 but enough to put on 69 with Zde B. If every wicket produced 69 in every game (well the first 7 any way) then we would never lose.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 10:34
And after an understandbly circumspect start, it became a rapid innings as well (didn't he go 20 or so balls without getting off the mark?). If so, he scored at more or less a run a ball after that. Good stuff.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 10:34
MikeB: I thought you knew that you're not supposed to cut the grass when Somerset are batting; that's Mr Frost's job.
Sounds like a very good start by Buttler.
LoL
Sixty-one Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Sounds like a very good start by Buttler.
LoL
Sixty-one Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 10:37
I am on my way to Taunton in fifteen minutes.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 11:28
I am envious, Mike. Partnerships between a certain two guys in our side can be very exciting.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 11:35
63 in ten overs so far.
On to 600 and a little dart at them before the close?
On to 600 and a little dart at them before the close?
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 11:41
Excellent morning - decent knock from the debutant, then quick runs from CK and PT - keep it up lads!
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 11:42
Given that the general "theory of our pitch," seems to be that it is easier to bat on with each successive day of the game that goes by, then I'd suggest that we not attempt to bat at all in the final session of today.
With a full session on a day three pitch, maybe we could knock 3 or maybe even 4 wickets out of their 2nd innings before we get confronted with the final day pitch. 6 or 7 wickets on the final day might be more do-able than 9 or 10.
Of course, I'm pretty sure that a frentic run chase at the end would hold few fears for the likes of Banger and P D Trego.
With a full session on a day three pitch, maybe we could knock 3 or maybe even 4 wickets out of their 2nd innings before we get confronted with the final day pitch. 6 or 7 wickets on the final day might be more do-able than 9 or 10.
Of course, I'm pretty sure that a frentic run chase at the end would hold few fears for the likes of Banger and P D Trego.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 11:54
Get what we can today (don't chuck it away), so we might have to bat last / have too many to get on Saturday.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 12:00
But surely we're better facing a tough ask with the bat on the final day than a tough ask with the ball?
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: fRed (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 12:04
Declare at tea with a 250 lead, seems fair enough to me.
Cricket's the winner.
Cricket's the winner.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 12:16
That was where I was going fRed; although acknowledging that it might be a little after tea.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: bloke (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 12:41
Keith Parsons has just started a stint on the BBC Lancs commentary
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 13:30
What a top quality partnership!
Well played Craig.
Well played Craig.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 13:34
Congratulations Craig.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 13:48
Declare at 200 lead. Make Lancs start twice today (before and after tea.)
I estimate that the chances of defeat are nil, so we need to be as positive as humanly possible in terms of giving ourselves as much time as possible to get these ten wickets.
If we get the ten, I expect to win the match, even if we have to thrash 125 off the final 15 overs at the end.
But I think our chances of getting the ten will be enhanced by beginning to bowl ASAP.
I estimate that the chances of defeat are nil, so we need to be as positive as humanly possible in terms of giving ourselves as much time as possible to get these ten wickets.
If we get the ten, I expect to win the match, even if we have to thrash 125 off the final 15 overs at the end.
But I think our chances of getting the ten will be enhanced by beginning to bowl ASAP.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: samaithai2 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 13:58
Lancs comms are talking about getting Pete into the one day side. What a surprise.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 14:05
I'd think hard about calling them in now Craig's gone, AG.
At the very least I'd send Stiff in ahead of the opening bowler.
At the very least I'd send Stiff in ahead of the opening bowler.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 14:07
I did call that before it happened..........honest.
But I didn't realise there'd have been no point calling them in, as there were just 5 minutes before tea.
But I didn't realise there'd have been no point calling them in, as there were just 5 minutes before tea.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 14:11
And we have now declared at the tea interval.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 14:12
No, I didn't realise tea was quite so soon, either.
Must be a long last session?
With Hants having won an easy win, it will be interesting to see if Lancs try to approach this in a very positive way, or go into their shell.
Must be a long last session?
With Hants having won an easy win, it will be interesting to see if Lancs try to approach this in a very positive way, or go into their shell.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 14:38
Wow !
That must have been one heck of a Partnership to watch. Amazing stuff from PT & CK (8 sixes ?!!).
They really are a couple of stars.
England selectors, hang your heads in shame re PT.
Nice to see Marcus being fairly aggressive re the declaration as well.
Grizzzly
That must have been one heck of a Partnership to watch. Amazing stuff from PT & CK (8 sixes ?!!).
They really are a couple of stars.
England selectors, hang your heads in shame re PT.
Nice to see Marcus being fairly aggressive re the declaration as well.
Grizzzly
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 15:00
Luke Sutton, who has the capacity to be not inconsiderably obdurate has gone.
c Craig b Alfonso 16.
c Craig b Alfonso 16.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 15:01
Need to get one more quickly to get Laxman in vs our new cherry.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 15:02
Not bad for someone who isn't really a strike bowler, 
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 15:04
Yes, FE, AGod has done very well.
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Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Streeter (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 15:52
PQ answer....Barbara Cartland ??
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 16:05
Two more victims for Kieswetter, who's definitely earned his pocket money today. I'm surprised that FE hasn't pointed out that with today's innings CK has attained a career batting average of 40, rather earlier than the mighty MT.
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Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: fRed (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 16:11
Excellent stuff! Wish I'd gone down instead of pushing the Scarifier all day 
Cricket's the winner.
Cricket's the winner.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 16:45
I abase myself for my oversight.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 16:54
Another excellent day for our heroes.
Let's mop this lot up tomorrow and push on for that lucrative second place.
If only we'd have had some decent weather this Summer......
Trego for England
Let's mop this lot up tomorrow and push on for that lucrative second place.
If only we'd have had some decent weather this Summer......
Trego for England
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 19:31
Need 3 by lunch then all out by tea, chase of anything up to 150-160 in 15 overs or more will be a doddle...
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Kentish Townie (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 19:46
Need a big effort from our bowlers on the final day. Past evidence is not encouraging but we need to stick at it. A shame there's no frontline spinner but a chance for Stiff or Phillips to earn a new contract...
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 20:05
My understanding is that Phillips is already contracted for 2010, KT.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 20:22
For those who asked. Jos Buttler looked very businesslike. He had a job to do and did it very well on Thursday evening.
When he came in he had Mahmood fired up and Chapple pushing from the other end. He dealt with bth very well and the cover drive that gave him his first runs was beautifully executed.
Did very well indeed.
When he came in he had Mahmood fired up and Chapple pushing from the other end. He dealt with bth very well and the cover drive that gave him his first runs was beautifully executed.
Did very well indeed.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 20:24
Stiff has a contract for 2010 also.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 20:27
I thought so CP, but was less sure than with Phillips.
Thanks for the confirmation.
Thanks for the confirmation.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 20:29
Day 3 Photos.
A great two sessions to watch.
Craig Kieswetter hitting 6 runs.
Craig Kieswetter acknowledging the crowd for clapping his 100 runs.
Craig Kieswetter hitting a 6 and his 150.
Unfortunately David Stiff didn’t last long ct Sutton bld Keedy.
My photo of the day.
P Horton ct Kieswetter bld Stiff.
Peter Trego hitting a leg glance.
Alfonso Thomas handing back Tractor’s mug of tea to him. (He will kill me for this).
A great two sessions to watch.
Craig Kieswetter hitting 6 runs.
Craig Kieswetter acknowledging the crowd for clapping his 100 runs.
Craig Kieswetter hitting a 6 and his 150.
Unfortunately David Stiff didn’t last long ct Sutton bld Keedy.
My photo of the day.
P Horton ct Kieswetter bld Stiff.
Peter Trego hitting a leg glance.
Alfonso Thomas handing back Tractor’s mug of tea to him. (He will kill me for this).
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Kentish Townie (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 20:35
Didn't realise Stiff and Phillips had 2010 contracts. Any one know the position on Turner, Munday, Thomas.. etc?
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 20:48
Tractor was on top form in the final session, such vocal encouragement must be a lift for our boys.
60-1 and cries of "nearly there lads", and lone lbw appeals from his good spot at long leg are great value, kkep up the good work...
60-1 and cries of "nearly there lads", and lone lbw appeals from his good spot at long leg are great value, kkep up the good work...
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 20:51
I don't know for sure KT, I think the only ones outstanding is Durston and Banks.
PS.
I haven't heard about Willoughby's contract.
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PS.
I haven't heard about Willoughby's contract.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009:09:11:20:55:17 by Mike BOS.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Tractor (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 20:54
Wonderful, Mike. Take it as not killed (quite the opposite in fact - fizzy cider for you tomorrow). Alfie is wonderful. Him and Charl in the field are great at winding up our players, getting 'em going, shouting encouragement all the time. It's that encouragement I've tried to instill all these years, and that bloke Jones was a great one for it. The game is desperate for characters, and Alfie's one - always enjoying his cricket. Willow & Thommo - what a combo (- harvester?). C'MON MY BABBIES !!!!!
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 21:00
You can tell from that smile he is a happy chappy.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 22:07
I always note from Mike's excellent photos that we do get good crowds at our home CC matches. I know somebody commented on this last week and Mike's pics are evidence that county championship cricket is alive and well in the West Country. Great to see.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Sloop John B (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 22:12
What a wonderful moment - well caught Mike. The Fonz is a SUPER guy and I totally agree with Tractor about the encouragement he and Willo give their mates.
With Notts likely to fold tomorrow and Somerset in a very strong position it is a very good day to anticipate!!
Nice summary from Lord Grockle too on Joss' temperament and approach to his batting. Looks like a good one for the future.
With Notts likely to fold tomorrow and Somerset in a very strong position it is a very good day to anticipate!!
Nice summary from Lord Grockle too on Joss' temperament and approach to his batting. Looks like a good one for the future.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 22:51
I saw a better moment concerning Tractor on the train home but as he is such a shy chap I'll spare his blushes.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 23:10
Superb,Mike.
And also that good looking chap in the sun-hat and dark glasses.
Is that Tom Cruise?
Trego for England
And also that good looking chap in the sun-hat and dark glasses.
Is that Tom Cruise?
Trego for England
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2009 23:18
More like Booze Cruise!
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 12/09/2009 00:24
Which one of them is Tractor ?!
Grizzzly
Grizzzly
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 12/09/2009 07:11
Re Pete and Craig
Reading some reports mentioned things like getting out to loose shots, when they write these things they forget to mention that a declaration was about to happen, ten minutes before drinks were brought out onto the field and everybody knew it was a message from the captain telling them when he was going to declare.
He was clever with his declaration, we all know it is when 32 overs or less when tea is taken, when Stiff was out there was 35 overs left and when three over are taken off for the change over this was then down to 32 so tea was taken without any time loss for the change over.
Reading some reports mentioned things like getting out to loose shots, when they write these things they forget to mention that a declaration was about to happen, ten minutes before drinks were brought out onto the field and everybody knew it was a message from the captain telling them when he was going to declare.
He was clever with his declaration, we all know it is when 32 overs or less when tea is taken, when Stiff was out there was 35 overs left and when three over are taken off for the change over this was then down to 32 so tea was taken without any time loss for the change over.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 12/09/2009 14:05
There may be no room for sentiment in cricket, but I would like to see Caddick playing in the last CC match of the season in place of Stiff (who has been ineffective in the current match). And can we have Waller in as well, possibly in place of Phillips?
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Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 12/09/2009 14:38
I thinks there is every place in cricket for your first sentiment, LoL: notwithstanding the fact that it might be the best selection irrespective of sentimental considerations.
Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 12/09/2009 14:42
And if Langer is still not available, I am.
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Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 12/09/2009 14:52
Commentary has been much better today - and congratulations to those concerned for keeping some interest alive in a game that has hardly been gripping since 10.30 this morning.
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Re: LVCC v Lancashire
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 12/09/2009 15:34
And the draw arrives at 4:20 as predicted. 12 points and a disappointing draw....need another wicket taking/partnership breaking bowler.
Well played to Loye and Laxman however
Well played to Loye and Laxman however
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 12/09/2009 16:28
Having done so well to get ourselves into the close of play day 3 position, this has to be regarded as disappointing.
Short of finding a new Joel Garner or Mushtaq, I wonder what is the answer ?
Grizzzly
Short of finding a new Joel Garner or Mushtaq, I wonder what is the answer ?
Grizzzly
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 12/09/2009 16:49
We need a wicket taker so badly it hurts.
A bit of a lame way to end this one,a bit like my day in general.
Trego for England
A bit of a lame way to end this one,a bit like my day in general.
Trego for England
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 12/09/2009 18:34
Peter Moores got what he wanted,a ground out draw.It was good to see Willo trying spinners.I thought Pete's leg spinners were worth a try.
I think it was the first full day I have seen where a wicket wasn't taken.
Also good to see lll and his mate.
I think it was the first full day I have seen where a wicket wasn't taken.
Also good to see lll and his mate.
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 12/09/2009 18:50
Hard day today.
Few chances not taken.
Sunny day + flat pitch + 2 batsmen intent on staying in not scoring, + a none to threatening attack which did however try their best = no wickets in the day.
Good to see plenty of noise in the field in the post lunch session, loads of shouting bowlers names (never the one actually bowling though), Trego asking the MT stand to stp the incessant ringing church bells along with Tractor on top form too, worse ways to spend a mid september afternoon...
Still waiting for the pitch bashing posters to start...
Few chances not taken.
Sunny day + flat pitch + 2 batsmen intent on staying in not scoring, + a none to threatening attack which did however try their best = no wickets in the day.
Good to see plenty of noise in the field in the post lunch session, loads of shouting bowlers names (never the one actually bowling though), Trego asking the MT stand to stp the incessant ringing church bells along with Tractor on top form too, worse ways to spend a mid september afternoon...
Still waiting for the pitch bashing posters to start...
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 12/09/2009 18:56
Not Somerset's day two missed chances that I can remember, plus several just falling short of the fielder.
They did all that was asked of them, when it is not your day it is not your day.
They did all that was asked of them, when it is not your day it is not your day.
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/09/2009 19:19
With hindsight, I think we should have probably have declared the moment we got our 5th batting point, so as to have had as much bowling time on the 3rd day as possible - minimising the amount of bowling time we had to slog through on day four where the Langer view of it being impossible to do anything on day four seems to be gaining credence.
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
Date: 12/09/2009 19:36
"Seems to be", AGod, "seems to be"?
Perhaps you require a few more seasons witnessing the same, before you are able to come to a conclusion?
Only the bottom placed, and already relegated, Worcestershire to play in a County Championship game at Taunton before that aspect of this season is finally laid to rest for another year.
They have had a very bad year, but I fully anticipate, with all due respect, that even they will be able to hold on for at least a draw against us on the bland and boring pitches that are being produced at Somerset HQ.
Perhaps you require a few more seasons witnessing the same, before you are able to come to a conclusion?
Only the bottom placed, and already relegated, Worcestershire to play in a County Championship game at Taunton before that aspect of this season is finally laid to rest for another year.
They have had a very bad year, but I fully anticipate, with all due respect, that even they will be able to hold on for at least a draw against us on the bland and boring pitches that are being produced at Somerset HQ.
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/09/2009 20:02
You may anticipate that, CP. If the game is dry, however, then I anticipate that the theory will not be put to the test, for the simple reason that I think we will beat them by the end of Day Three.
I agree that, if they last until the fourth day, even their demoralised and hapless team will probably bat through the day without much incident. But on days two and three, I think we can run through them.
I agree that, if they last until the fourth day, even their demoralised and hapless team will probably bat through the day without much incident. But on days two and three, I think we can run through them.
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 12/09/2009 20:05
Sorry AG, but I think you've misinterpreted Langer, up to a point.
I don't think that he was, at any point, suggesting that taking wickets on Day 4 was harder than on Day 3.
Ceratainly not to the extent that we should have preferred to bowl on Day 3 and then bat on Day 4.
I don't think that he was, at any point, suggesting that taking wickets on Day 4 was harder than on Day 3.
Ceratainly not to the extent that we should have preferred to bowl on Day 3 and then bat on Day 4.
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/09/2009 20:14
I think he was suggesting that taking wickets was hardest on day four.
But even if JL was not saying that, that's the conclusion that I, myself, have increasingly found myself leaning towards.
I certainly believe it's the case that the pitch is at its most conducive for bowling at the start of a game and that is Banger's belief because he said as much a propos this game.
But even if JL was not saying that, that's the conclusion that I, myself, have increasingly found myself leaning towards.
I certainly believe it's the case that the pitch is at its most conducive for bowling at the start of a game and that is Banger's belief because he said as much a propos this game.
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 12/09/2009 20:15
4th Day photos
I wish we could see more of this some of the players mixing with the supporters.
I don’t know what Tractor is saying to Justin, either he has been fishing or how far away from the stumps the ball was.
It looks like Justin is buying a penthouse or admiring the view.
One of the near misses for Mal Loye off Suppiah’s bowling, bottom edge and hitting his boot.
V Laxman managed to keep the down off a short ball.
This shot was V Laxman 50th runs.
V Laxman only just edging it past the stumps.
Today it didn’t go Somerset’s way and you need to be there to comment, as somebody said the scorecard doesn’t tell the complete story.
I wish we could see more of this some of the players mixing with the supporters.
I don’t know what Tractor is saying to Justin, either he has been fishing or how far away from the stumps the ball was.
It looks like Justin is buying a penthouse or admiring the view.
One of the near misses for Mal Loye off Suppiah’s bowling, bottom edge and hitting his boot.
V Laxman managed to keep the down off a short ball.
This shot was V Laxman 50th runs.
V Laxman only just edging it past the stumps.
Today it didn’t go Somerset’s way and you need to be there to comment, as somebody said the scorecard doesn’t tell the complete story.
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 12/09/2009 20:22
I don't think, with the greatest respect, AG, thatit's really possible to say that.
The dynamics of the game have as much effect as the pitch.
We lost wickets on day three because we put the hammer down totry and set up a result; not because that's an inherently easier time to take wickets.
We didn't take wickets on day four because there was no incentive for Lancs to risk anything; not because that's an inherently harder time to take wickets (from the perspective of the pitch, at least).
The dynamics of the game have as much effect as the pitch.
We lost wickets on day three because we put the hammer down totry and set up a result; not because that's an inherently easier time to take wickets.
We didn't take wickets on day four because there was no incentive for Lancs to risk anything; not because that's an inherently harder time to take wickets (from the perspective of the pitch, at least).
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 12/09/2009 20:26
Max Waller should have been in this match, Keedy was getting quite a bit of turn on day three.
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/09/2009 20:29
Yes, FE, but we did take (two) wickets on day three, in just one session!
Clearly, there was no more incentive for Lancs to risk anything on day three, than there was on day four - it was that that I was getting at, more so than the fact that we, ourselves, lost wickets.
I suspect that, if one were to break down the number of wickets taken per day in home games at Taunton this season, we would find an overall story of progressively fewer wickets being taken with each passing day, with the greatest difference of all being between day three and day four.
Clearly, there was no more incentive for Lancs to risk anything on day three, than there was on day four - it was that that I was getting at, more so than the fact that we, ourselves, lost wickets.
I suspect that, if one were to break down the number of wickets taken per day in home games at Taunton this season, we would find an overall story of progressively fewer wickets being taken with each passing day, with the greatest difference of all being between day three and day four.
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 12/09/2009 20:37
Because day three is the day when positions are being set up: that was my whole point.
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/09/2009 21:25
I don't think that's the reason - I think it's that the pitch becomes more dead than ever on the final day.
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 12/09/2009 22:02
Great pic of tractor and our leader (or is that the wrong way around!)
I always knew the big man was the brains behind the operation
I always knew the big man was the brains behind the operation
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 12/09/2009 22:57
Tractor saying to Justin"I had a rump steak this big last night"
Kerrie saying to Justin "Don't jump mate,you don't have to go Middlesex"
Kerrie saying to Justin "Don't jump mate,you don't have to go Middlesex"
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: fRed (IP Logged)
Date: 12/09/2009 23:10
Tractor - "with balls this big we could extract some life out the pitch"
Cricket's the winner.
Cricket's the winner.
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: Tractor (IP Logged)
Date: 12/09/2009 23:15
We were actually discussing how far from the truth some of those reporters had been in the press recently
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 12/09/2009 23:29
Why did we win on this pitch before and we don't now?
Simple.....we don't have a bowler of the calibre of ANDREW RICHARD CADDICK or MUSHTAQ AHMED. Put a man of that quality in this team and Loye and Laxman have to play to stay not just play regulation defensive shots to OK bowling.
Simple.....we don't have a bowler of the calibre of ANDREW RICHARD CADDICK or MUSHTAQ AHMED. Put a man of that quality in this team and Loye and Laxman have to play to stay not just play regulation defensive shots to OK bowling.
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: fRed (IP Logged)
Date: 12/09/2009 23:36
ARC was available?
Cricket's the winner.
Cricket's the winner.
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 12/09/2009 23:36
Not the ARC I'm referring to fRed
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 13/09/2009 01:02
So, if we are to capture 20 opposition wickets at Taunton on a regular basis we have to:
a) Find an oppostion who bat badly (twice), or....
b) Change the pitch composition, or.......
c) Find a world class bowler, or......
d) Perform "miracles" (as seen this year !), or.....
e) Get lucky.
Not an easy menu from which to derive the Championship we all crave.
With the gritty ethos JL has brought to Taunton, I don't think/(hope!), we'll go back to the bad old days of 2005 too soon, but equally, I'm not sure we can win the Championship as things stand, no matter how many runs Marcus & the rest of the gang score.
Here's hoping Brian Rose has an option (f) up his winter sleeves !
Grizzzly
a) Find an oppostion who bat badly (twice), or....
b) Change the pitch composition, or.......
c) Find a world class bowler, or......
d) Perform "miracles" (as seen this year !), or.....
e) Get lucky.
Not an easy menu from which to derive the Championship we all crave.
With the gritty ethos JL has brought to Taunton, I don't think/(hope!), we'll go back to the bad old days of 2005 too soon, but equally, I'm not sure we can win the Championship as things stand, no matter how many runs Marcus & the rest of the gang score.
Here's hoping Brian Rose has an option (f) up his winter sleeves !
Grizzzly
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 13/09/2009 05:22
Tractor:"Never LBW he was that far outside off stump.
Justin: "It hit the bat Tractor.Do keep Up"
Tractor: "Which bat,I can see two"
Justin:"Must be the cider Tractor"
Tractor"Honest it's only coffee mate"
Justin: "It hit the bat Tractor.Do keep Up"
Tractor: "Which bat,I can see two"
Justin:"Must be the cider Tractor"
Tractor"Honest it's only coffee mate"
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/09/2009 09:02
Not an either/or position grizzly none of the options are mutally exclusive.
Relying on the opposition to play badly is not the way to produce a winning side...it simply helps when it happens. A good side can beat good sides and massacre bad ones.
The pitch needs work NOBODY has ever denied that that I've read on here
Are you suggesting that we DON'T need to replace the Mighty Caddick and we AREN'T bereft of a match winning spinner (and please don't mention IDB as the solution - he wasn't)?
"Miracles" come from great performances and luck. Winning sides win in adversity and sometimes the odd 'miracle' comes along
Good sides make their own luck but the odd decision that goes their way is sometimes the difference between 1 and 2. Durham got lucky with the weather this year. It didn't win them the championship but it certainly hampered their opponents ability to stay in touch.
So is that list too much to ask for?
Relying on the opposition to play badly is not the way to produce a winning side...it simply helps when it happens. A good side can beat good sides and massacre bad ones.
The pitch needs work NOBODY has ever denied that that I've read on here
Are you suggesting that we DON'T need to replace the Mighty Caddick and we AREN'T bereft of a match winning spinner (and please don't mention IDB as the solution - he wasn't)?
"Miracles" come from great performances and luck. Winning sides win in adversity and sometimes the odd 'miracle' comes along
Good sides make their own luck but the odd decision that goes their way is sometimes the difference between 1 and 2. Durham got lucky with the weather this year. It didn't win them the championship but it certainly hampered their opponents ability to stay in touch.
So is that list too much to ask for?
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/09/2009 09:25
FE - here are the actual figures from the 2008 season.
They don't support my suspicion that batting becomes harder with each passing day. However, the numbers on day four are even more stark than I expected.
Day One: 65 wickets fell. Two day ones were totally washed out.
Day Two: 62 wickets fell. One day two was totally washed out.
Day Three. 62 wickets fell. Two day threes were heavily curtailed, none were washed out.
Day Four: 34 wickets fell. One day four was heavily curtailed.
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Before anyone points it out, I do, of course, realise that in terms of the pitch the figures are distorted by these wash-outs both in terms of numbers of wickets falling on any given day and in the sense that if day one of a game is washed out that effectively means that there is no 'fourth day pitch.'
Nevertheless, if we drill down into those figures for the fourth day of the matches, as opposed to necessarily the pitches in all cases, we find that 2 or fewer wickets fell on the final day in four of 8 games. A fifth final day saw three wickets fall, though this can be disregarded since that was the end of Kent.
10 wkts went on the final day of the defeat by Yorks (all ours.) And 8 wkts went in a dead rubber vs Surrey, when nothing was at stake.
They don't support my suspicion that batting becomes harder with each passing day. However, the numbers on day four are even more stark than I expected.
Day One: 65 wickets fell. Two day ones were totally washed out.
Day Two: 62 wickets fell. One day two was totally washed out.
Day Three. 62 wickets fell. Two day threes were heavily curtailed, none were washed out.
Day Four: 34 wickets fell. One day four was heavily curtailed.
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Before anyone points it out, I do, of course, realise that in terms of the pitch the figures are distorted by these wash-outs both in terms of numbers of wickets falling on any given day and in the sense that if day one of a game is washed out that effectively means that there is no 'fourth day pitch.'
Nevertheless, if we drill down into those figures for the fourth day of the matches, as opposed to necessarily the pitches in all cases, we find that 2 or fewer wickets fell on the final day in four of 8 games. A fifth final day saw three wickets fall, though this can be disregarded since that was the end of Kent.
10 wkts went on the final day of the defeat by Yorks (all ours.) And 8 wkts went in a dead rubber vs Surrey, when nothing was at stake.
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/09/2009 10:16
Did you include the futility of playing on day Four when the game has been destroyed by the loss of up to a day and a half to rain.
A rain affected game of that magnitude changes the nature of day 4 for the players as well as the surface. Yes we all know it shouldn't but that doesn't mean a whle lot.
A rain affected game of that magnitude changes the nature of day 4 for the players as well as the surface. Yes we all know it shouldn't but that doesn't mean a whle lot.
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/09/2009 10:52
There's also the foolish attempts to manipulate the wicket into which Mr Frost was cajoled by Langer/Rose.
If you strip out the two first days that were abandoned without a ball being bowled, then here is the list of wickets on day one of games at Taunton;
13, 3, 6, 13, 16 and 14.
Clearly, if one were to multiply those totals by four, then that would suggest that, in about 65% of cases, there ought to be no problem at all with taking 40 wickets over 4 days (if uninterrupted.)
In actual fact, though, at least a couple of those days on which 10+ wickets tumbled on day one occurred, in part, because we started our wicket damp (on purpose.)
If you strip out the two first days that were abandoned without a ball being bowled, then here is the list of wickets on day one of games at Taunton;
13, 3, 6, 13, 16 and 14.
Clearly, if one were to multiply those totals by four, then that would suggest that, in about 65% of cases, there ought to be no problem at all with taking 40 wickets over 4 days (if uninterrupted.)
In actual fact, though, at least a couple of those days on which 10+ wickets tumbled on day one occurred, in part, because we started our wicket damp (on purpose.)
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 13/09/2009 12:31
A rumour going around the ground was Mr Rose was at LORD'S yesterday.
He was either poaching somebody from Middlesex as somebody suggested OR he was in the Australian's dressing room.
He was either poaching somebody from Middlesex as somebody suggested OR he was in the Australian's dressing room.
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 13/09/2009 13:18
Nice rumour, i like it.
Perhaps hewas convincing Ricky to ditch Aussies alltogether and come and challenge Tres at Taunton as the best batsmen in the world...
More likely Cameron i would have thought, as first or 2nd overseas player?
Perhaps hewas convincing Ricky to ditch Aussies alltogether and come and challenge Tres at Taunton as the best batsmen in the world...
More likely Cameron i would have thought, as first or 2nd overseas player?
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 13/09/2009 14:52
Your 9.02 seems a trifle prickly Grockle !
I was merely trying to highlight the issues we face IF we want to win the Championship & yes, I should have put "and/or" instead of just "or" !
Absolutely we need to replace ARC, (where did you get the idea I was suggesting we didn't need to I wonder ?) - that's pretty obvious.
I didn't mention IDB either !
As for the pitch, well bookloads have been written. A lot of it is pretty negative/sarcastic (e.g. your 00.45 & 10.06 recent posts on 'CC Matches starting on 9/9 thread), towards posters who pass an opinion that it is a (not the only) major issue preventing us winning at H.Q.. After this season however, does anyone really still question that ?
Grizzzly
I was merely trying to highlight the issues we face IF we want to win the Championship & yes, I should have put "and/or" instead of just "or" !
Absolutely we need to replace ARC, (where did you get the idea I was suggesting we didn't need to I wonder ?) - that's pretty obvious.
I didn't mention IDB either !
As for the pitch, well bookloads have been written. A lot of it is pretty negative/sarcastic (e.g. your 00.45 & 10.06 recent posts on 'CC Matches starting on 9/9 thread), towards posters who pass an opinion that it is a (not the only) major issue preventing us winning at H.Q.. After this season however, does anyone really still question that ?
Grizzzly
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/09/2009 19:17
As I've said above NOBODY questions it - they may question the importance of it in the scheme of things (and why has this season provided any more evidence than the ones before it to suggest we can't win on it?)
I make no apology for my sarcasm - posters have suggested that my sarcastic comments are what stupid Somerset supporters have been doing at Taunton since 2007 (don't know if you've noticed the title of the thread those comments were posted on).
If you don't like it Grizz then don't bother with it or provide me please with something that justifies the ludicrous statement that our ground - chosen for the Women's international game and where the county that has been placed in three out of four of the major competitions in this season reside - is 'killing cricket.
That isn't sarcastic of course because....people actually believe that to be the case.
I'm sorry. Isn't that what has been suggested? We should move? We should dig the pitch up? We should uncover all the pitches? We should all go to outgrounds to watch the game? We should vote with our feet?
Finally I object MOST STRONGLY to being told on a regular basis that the cricket I HAVE WATCHED LIVE is a travesty even though I and others can give FIRST HAND account of why it was not by people who for what ever reason cannot get to the ground but still take their spurious evidence over that of the people actually at the ground.
That makes me sarcastic...ever so sorry but tough. Come and watch the sodding game (I'm not saying this to you personally because it is quite obvious that it would not be pssible for you) and then talk as if you're the only one with any knowledge of what the hell is going on in the South West while treating eye witnesses as if they don't understand what they are seeing and it has no relevance.
The pitch is bat friendly. The batsmen have had a major season ON AND OFF THE GRASS OF TAUNTON and our bowlers can't bowl 20 batsmen out in 4 days. We are missing 60+ wickets that we have had for most of the last decade from one place and we haven't filled that gap.
But I'll tell you this and the rest of the pitch crew. With a 1990's Caddick in full flow for this season and the weather on our side. We would have taken this trophy.
I'm a bit prickly? Damn right. Two topics have dominated this forum for most of this season and NEITHER of them IMHO have major relevance to what is happening in one of Somerset's most successful seasons in my supporting memory.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009:09:13:19:35:51 by Grockle.
I make no apology for my sarcasm - posters have suggested that my sarcastic comments are what stupid Somerset supporters have been doing at Taunton since 2007 (don't know if you've noticed the title of the thread those comments were posted on).
If you don't like it Grizz then don't bother with it or provide me please with something that justifies the ludicrous statement that our ground - chosen for the Women's international game and where the county that has been placed in three out of four of the major competitions in this season reside - is 'killing cricket.
That isn't sarcastic of course because....people actually believe that to be the case.
I'm sorry. Isn't that what has been suggested? We should move? We should dig the pitch up? We should uncover all the pitches? We should all go to outgrounds to watch the game? We should vote with our feet?
Finally I object MOST STRONGLY to being told on a regular basis that the cricket I HAVE WATCHED LIVE is a travesty even though I and others can give FIRST HAND account of why it was not by people who for what ever reason cannot get to the ground but still take their spurious evidence over that of the people actually at the ground.
That makes me sarcastic...ever so sorry but tough. Come and watch the sodding game (I'm not saying this to you personally because it is quite obvious that it would not be pssible for you) and then talk as if you're the only one with any knowledge of what the hell is going on in the South West while treating eye witnesses as if they don't understand what they are seeing and it has no relevance.
The pitch is bat friendly. The batsmen have had a major season ON AND OFF THE GRASS OF TAUNTON and our bowlers can't bowl 20 batsmen out in 4 days. We are missing 60+ wickets that we have had for most of the last decade from one place and we haven't filled that gap.
But I'll tell you this and the rest of the pitch crew. With a 1990's Caddick in full flow for this season and the weather on our side. We would have taken this trophy.
I'm a bit prickly? Damn right. Two topics have dominated this forum for most of this season and NEITHER of them IMHO have major relevance to what is happening in one of Somerset's most successful seasons in my supporting memory.
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Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 13/09/2009 19:30
Absolutely brilliant and summed up perfectly.
Well done,Grockle.
Trego for England
Well done,Grockle.
Trego for England
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 13/09/2009 19:51
Trust you feel better after that uncalled for & thoroughly nasty diatribe Grockle.
Pretty sad that you feel it necessary to lower yourself to that level.
And for the record, I have never told you that the cricket you watch is a travesty. But 30 years watching the game there gave me a bit of experience, although clearly not as much irrefutable knowledge that you have.
I also hadn't appreciated that rules 1. & 2. didn't apply to you. Maybe everyone should start resorting to abuse when they get irritated by other peoples points of view.
I also hadn't realised that a 'rule 6' had been introduced....
"don't bother posting unless you agree with me".
Time for me to leave the site I think.
Goodbye & thank you for the forum. Many thanks also to all those contributors to this site with whom I have enjoyed thoroughly the last three years debating SCCC issues.
Grizzzly
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Pretty sad that you feel it necessary to lower yourself to that level.
And for the record, I have never told you that the cricket you watch is a travesty. But 30 years watching the game there gave me a bit of experience, although clearly not as much irrefutable knowledge that you have.
I also hadn't appreciated that rules 1. & 2. didn't apply to you. Maybe everyone should start resorting to abuse when they get irritated by other peoples points of view.
I also hadn't realised that a 'rule 6' had been introduced....
"don't bother posting unless you agree with me".
Time for me to leave the site I think.
Goodbye & thank you for the forum. Many thanks also to all those contributors to this site with whom I have enjoyed thoroughly the last three years debating SCCC issues.
Grizzzly
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Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/09/2009 20:11
Much better thanks.
Suppose it's a "diatribe" because you don't agree.
Ahh well one man's diatribe is another's justified indignation
And now I have to change it because you take personally an explantion to your comments on my posts.
I don't think I blamed you for any of this at any time Grizz.
Sorry you take it as 'nasty' and I think by stating your opinion of my comments a-n a thread you don't actually have that much of a link to you actually did call for it unfortunately.
Sorry...got to go back and see if there's anything else I have to justify.
I don't think I require you to accept anything I say just as I don't need you to tell me at what time on what thread I was sarcastic.
I was simply explaining why I was sarcastic. If you want to take that as a personal attack on you (though I have no idea why) then that is entirely your perogative and if you choose to not post on here from now on because of that then that is also your perogative.
Respect is a two way thing. In order to respect a post, you have to feel valued in return. The argument put forward as the main premis on the 'killing taunton; thread does not value any post that counters it and hasn't for many months. We've been here before so I see no point in going through it again - but I'd like to point out that I am not the only poster on this forum who believes that to be the case..
If I also do not deserve respect for the many years I have been watching, commenting and now commentating on this county then I find it hard to give some back at times. I haven't broken Rule 2 - the filter comes into action if that happens.
There is no rule 6. You know that as well as I do and this has nothing to do with me throwing my weight about. I resent the implication but I've already thrown my tantrum it seems.
If you for some reason feel that this specific shoe fits your foot then take it as personally as you want. I never thought you had that opinion and was simply explaining why this thread caused a sarcastic reaction
So if this is your last post then thanks for your contributions in the past and hope you enjoy following the county in your own way in the future.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2009:09:13:21:07:21 by Grockle.
Suppose it's a "diatribe" because you don't agree.
Ahh well one man's diatribe is another's justified indignation
And now I have to change it because you take personally an explantion to your comments on my posts.
I don't think I blamed you for any of this at any time Grizz.
Sorry you take it as 'nasty' and I think by stating your opinion of my comments a-n a thread you don't actually have that much of a link to you actually did call for it unfortunately.
Sorry...got to go back and see if there's anything else I have to justify.
I don't think I require you to accept anything I say just as I don't need you to tell me at what time on what thread I was sarcastic.
I was simply explaining why I was sarcastic. If you want to take that as a personal attack on you (though I have no idea why) then that is entirely your perogative and if you choose to not post on here from now on because of that then that is also your perogative.
Respect is a two way thing. In order to respect a post, you have to feel valued in return. The argument put forward as the main premis on the 'killing taunton; thread does not value any post that counters it and hasn't for many months. We've been here before so I see no point in going through it again - but I'd like to point out that I am not the only poster on this forum who believes that to be the case..
If I also do not deserve respect for the many years I have been watching, commenting and now commentating on this county then I find it hard to give some back at times. I haven't broken Rule 2 - the filter comes into action if that happens.
There is no rule 6. You know that as well as I do and this has nothing to do with me throwing my weight about. I resent the implication but I've already thrown my tantrum it seems.
If you for some reason feel that this specific shoe fits your foot then take it as personally as you want. I never thought you had that opinion and was simply explaining why this thread caused a sarcastic reaction
So if this is your last post then thanks for your contributions in the past and hope you enjoy following the county in your own way in the future.
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Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: PaddedUp (IP Logged)
Date: 13/09/2009 20:32
[Deleted as debate had moved on]
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Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 13/09/2009 20:44
Welcome PaddedUp it is good to have another poster who can report on a match who have seen it happen first hand, it also help me as well with away matches because I only see home matches live.
And thanks to Botham as well for your report.
Edited because I mustn't leave Botham out.
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And thanks to Botham as well for your report.
Edited because I mustn't leave Botham out.
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Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: PaddedUp (IP Logged)
Date: 13/09/2009 20:59
Cheers Mike. I'll do my best to put up a report on tomorrow's match. Won't be until Tuesday though as I'll be out after the match celebrating Somerset's victory (hopefully!)
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 13/09/2009 21:04
Well done that's what I like.
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/09/2009 21:10
Thanks in advance for that Padded. If you can get it on here I'll try and put the two into somekind of frontpage review because it is far better than commenting on what scorecards tell us.
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 13/09/2009 22:16
Come back Grizzzly; it's much too soon to hibernate. I enjoy your contributions and, frankly, read them more intently than many of the longer ones on this site. Life - for me - is too short to spend hours of it arguing with people, most of whom I really like, about the state of Taunton wicket or of Somerset cricket.
I produce my statistics from time to time - and will do so when the Worcs CC match is duly won by us - and leave others to determine what they mean.
I produce my statistics from time to time - and will do so when the Worcs CC match is duly won by us - and leave others to determine what they mean.
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 13/09/2009 22:37
I haven't got a clue what they mean.
Stats and me is like fish with custard.
A dreadful mix.
They do look nice though.
So keep it up old chap.
Trego for England
Stats and me is like fish with custard.
A dreadful mix.
They do look nice though.
So keep it up old chap.
Trego for England
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: VictheFish (IP Logged)
Date: 13/09/2009 23:01
Had an interesting chat with some of the blokes a couple of weeks ago when I made it to a game.
No names, no pack drills and certainly not identifying culprits.
The thoughts were: if good enough you'll take wickets, if not - work harder. If from the Academy, you're going to get your chance, better be at your best because the county will back you instead of buying in stars.
Stick with it son, you're the best we've got and we'd rather see you do it than someone from another county bought in.
Potentially 2nd in LVCC, potential winners in Pro40 (tbc), 1/4s in FPT and runners-up in T20.
Jeez, what do you blokes want?
Was it really so much better in 2006 with feck all in anything ...
Cheers,
VtF.
Edited to alter a result for accuracy and stop some ingrate pedant stealing the thunder!
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No names, no pack drills and certainly not identifying culprits.
The thoughts were: if good enough you'll take wickets, if not - work harder. If from the Academy, you're going to get your chance, better be at your best because the county will back you instead of buying in stars.
Stick with it son, you're the best we've got and we'd rather see you do it than someone from another county bought in.
Potentially 2nd in LVCC, potential winners in Pro40 (tbc), 1/4s in FPT and runners-up in T20.
Jeez, what do you blokes want?
Was it really so much better in 2006 with feck all in anything ...
Cheers,
VtF.
Edited to alter a result for accuracy and stop some ingrate pedant stealing the thunder!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009:09:13:23:05:41 by VictheFish.
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 13/09/2009 23:08
As you know,I couldn't agree more.
If I was a player reading some of the comments I'd be spitting blood.
We are one of the best teams in all formats of the game in the country,if not the best overall.
We don't lose very often and play some stunning cricket.
What do we get?
I'll never understand it,never.
Trego for England
If I was a player reading some of the comments I'd be spitting blood.
We are one of the best teams in all formats of the game in the country,if not the best overall.
We don't lose very often and play some stunning cricket.
What do we get?
I'll never understand it,never.
Trego for England
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2009 04:15
I can't remember a better year than this one.
I can't be bothered to go through my books to find a year when we have done so well in all competitions.
some years most teams do well in one type of cricket or the other, please tell me when we have got so far in all competitions in the same season.
If we do end up not being winners in anything I will still say we have had a very good season.
I can't be bothered to go through my books to find a year when we have done so well in all competitions.
some years most teams do well in one type of cricket or the other, please tell me when we have got so far in all competitions in the same season.
If we do end up not being winners in anything I will still say we have had a very good season.
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2009 04:25
We did win the Gillette Cup or whatever it was called at Lords and the John Player league the next day a few years back in the good old days.I'm like you Mike can't be bothered to look up year.I should know but my memory is not too good nowadays.
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2009 05:48
Mike, thanks for the thanks, but you are on the wrong thread!
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2009 05:56
Story of my life Both, I think it was because our new poster was on this thread.
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2009 09:10
Quote:Grockle
But I'll tell you this and the rest of the pitch crew. With a 1990's Caddick in full flow for this season and the weather on our side. We would have taken this trophy.
That for me says everything: and I agree completely.
AG: you still don't seem to even have acknowledged the fact the dynamics of days three and four are often very different. Wickets will always come harder against a team clearly intent on a draw, and many of our home "day fours" have been such days.
Grizzzly: please come back.
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: Sloop John B (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2009 10:03
Grizz - if it is any consolation I too thought that Grockle's post was rather choleric and unnecessary!
Don't stay away we need a range of views to make this site more interesting - and balanced (?).
Recent moderation hasn't been too moderate in my view.
Don't stay away we need a range of views to make this site more interesting - and balanced (?).
Recent moderation hasn't been too moderate in my view.
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2009 10:09
The year we won the Gillette Cup and JPL on consecutive days was 1979, having missed out narrowly in both competitions the previous year.
In that year of double glory we finished 8th in the CC but were expelled from the B&H for reasons most remember well, having been in a position to qualify for the quarter-finals.
LoL
Sixty-one Seasons a Somerset Supporter
In that year of double glory we finished 8th in the CC but were expelled from the B&H for reasons most remember well, having been in a position to qualify for the quarter-finals.
LoL
Sixty-one Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2009 10:18
We must be the most consistent county,based on all formats of the game,this season.
Now that,can not be bad.
And whilst it's not all about winning it sure beats being bottom of the pile in everything.
Embrace and cherish the good days.
For the dark ones are only just around the corner.
Trego for England
Now that,can not be bad.
And whilst it's not all about winning it sure beats being bottom of the pile in everything.
Embrace and cherish the good days.
For the dark ones are only just around the corner.
Trego for England
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2009 10:21
.. definitely don't agree with your last sentence, BJ, you old miseryguts.
Next year will be even better.
LoL
Sixty-one Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Next year will be even better.
LoL
Sixty-one Seasons a Somerset Supporter
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: Exiled Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2009 10:25
It seems we all love you Grizzly. We just have to grin and BEAR it!
Grockle is like a delicate ornament and must be handled with care. If not, they're his toys.
I also agree with SJB.
Grockle is like a delicate ornament and must be handled with care. If not, they're his toys.
I also agree with SJB.
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: Mike BOS (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2009 10:26
Do I know BJ well enough.
Was he referring to the winter?
Was he referring to the winter?
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2009 10:43
No,it's just a grim old day in Gimblettland.
Cold too.
Very cold.
Two hours sleep since Friday hasn't helped.
I don't know my 'Arris from my elbow.
Nothing new there as LoL will tell you.
Trego for England
Cold too.
Very cold.
Two hours sleep since Friday hasn't helped.
I don't know my 'Arris from my elbow.
Nothing new there as LoL will tell you.
Trego for England
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2009 10:55
Do you honestly think we need LoL to tell us that, Jim?
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2009 11:31
"AG: you still don't seem to even have acknowledged the fact the dynamics of days three and four are often very different. Wickets will always come harder against a team clearly intent on a draw, and many of our home "day fours" have been such days. "
From memory, in the season for which I supplied stats that applied to 2 of 8 such days. I think you rather over-state the case for this proposition, FE.
From memory, in the season for which I supplied stats that applied to 2 of 8 such days. I think you rather over-state the case for this proposition, FE.
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: Frome Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2009 12:26
Well we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one, I suppose. But I can't see anything in what Langer says, or in the evidence, or in my understanding of how such things work, which would be supportive of the proposition that any pitch routinely gets significantly harder to bowl on between days three and four.
I remain convinced that the jockeying for position which tends to ocurr more on day three than any other is the more significant factor.
I remain convinced that the jockeying for position which tends to ocurr more on day three than any other is the more significant factor.
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2009 14:07
I'll post it again just in case people misred. My post was a general reference to an ongoing situation concerning a certain thread. There was no reference to Grizzzly - I even took him out of any statement he may have thought related to him to make sure he realised it was general.
It wasn't a moderation decision as far as I can see and I'd appreciate it Sloop if rather than talking about me in the third person as if I don't read the forum, you would include me in your disquiet when the decision you disgaree with is actually made (you don't have to make it in public - the PM system exists for such things).
If Grizz wants to see it as a personal attack and withdraw then he has that right. I made no such personal slur.
My own personal frustration at a posting practice which involves stating a view whenever the evidence fits it then not returning until the evidence fits it again and simply stating the same view is evident I think. I'm not alone. Just a little more vociferous about it.
I don't believe it deserves the same level of respect because it does not respect the view of those who may not hold the same opinion.
No debate is held, no request for any kind of response is answered, no comment about evidence that may suggest the opposite is replied to.
There is no discussion. The statements are fact and there you are. Whether you are a valued member of the forum with other information is irrelevant because the statement is fact.
If the premis is made on the basis of secondary information while someone offers first hand information that may alter the premis then the first hand information is simply ignored. If someone presents factual, statistical information that creates a position that could be debated it too is ignored in favour of the initial premis which is postulated on the basis of statements with no evidential background and which brooks no argument.
It gets a sarcastic response from me because IMHO that is what it deserves. I'll debate my statements and I'll deabte with anyone who actually wants to do that.
This "delicate ornament" is quite happy to go for broke.
These accusations of 'double standards' can be made against more than just this moderator.
It wasn't a moderation decision as far as I can see and I'd appreciate it Sloop if rather than talking about me in the third person as if I don't read the forum, you would include me in your disquiet when the decision you disgaree with is actually made (you don't have to make it in public - the PM system exists for such things).
If Grizz wants to see it as a personal attack and withdraw then he has that right. I made no such personal slur.
My own personal frustration at a posting practice which involves stating a view whenever the evidence fits it then not returning until the evidence fits it again and simply stating the same view is evident I think. I'm not alone. Just a little more vociferous about it.
I don't believe it deserves the same level of respect because it does not respect the view of those who may not hold the same opinion.
No debate is held, no request for any kind of response is answered, no comment about evidence that may suggest the opposite is replied to.
There is no discussion. The statements are fact and there you are. Whether you are a valued member of the forum with other information is irrelevant because the statement is fact.
If the premis is made on the basis of secondary information while someone offers first hand information that may alter the premis then the first hand information is simply ignored. If someone presents factual, statistical information that creates a position that could be debated it too is ignored in favour of the initial premis which is postulated on the basis of statements with no evidential background and which brooks no argument.
It gets a sarcastic response from me because IMHO that is what it deserves. I'll debate my statements and I'll deabte with anyone who actually wants to do that.
This "delicate ornament" is quite happy to go for broke.
These accusations of 'double standards' can be made against more than just this moderator.
Re: Lancashire LVCC1
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2009 15:13
To be honest, FE, my impression is that a number of pitches - around the country (i..e not just Taunton)- increasingly seem to get better as time wears on in a game which is in contrast - I think - to what one might historically have expected.
I think the final test pitch at the Oval was one such example. The general opinion appeared to be that the pitch would be very, very difficult to bat on with the passing of time, but I don't think that really materialised.
It seems to me that, 15-20 years ago if the ball turned early in a game, you could put your bottom dollar on a spinner winning the game. Nowadays, it seems to be not uncommon - as in the recent CC match between Lancs and Durham at Old Trafford - that spinners get some joy early on, but then fail to deliver a coup de grace in the second innings.
I think the final test pitch at the Oval was one such example. The general opinion appeared to be that the pitch would be very, very difficult to bat on with the passing of time, but I don't think that really materialised.
It seems to me that, 15-20 years ago if the ball turned early in a game, you could put your bottom dollar on a spinner winning the game. Nowadays, it seems to be not uncommon - as in the recent CC match between Lancs and Durham at Old Trafford - that spinners get some joy early on, but then fail to deliver a coup de grace in the second innings.
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