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Mumbai Murder?

Keiron in the way though
By Grockle
October 8 2011
The semi final of the Champions League and we welcome Keiron Pollard to the battlefield but on the other side in blue rather than black.  The man is an Indian in this competition and stands between us and a place in the Final tomorrow against Bangalore on this ground.  But we know him and what he can do so I hope we're ready for the big West Indian.  Another big game in the county's longest season.  More to come?  Well it's win or go home

v Mumbai Indians CLT20 Semi Final @ Chennai Saturday 8 October 2011

Scorecard

Every game in this competition is now a massive ask for Somerset.  Every game they have been up for the challenge and every game they have moved on in this tournament.  Tonight they face the Indians with Kieron Pollard in their ranks looking to put us away.

Alf has picked the usual side for this semi and keeps the people who got us there against the Warriors on Wednesday;

Kieswetter, Trego, van der Merwe, Hildreth, Buttler, Suppiah, Compton Thomas, Kartik, Dibble and Kirby

Adam Dibble keeps his place after the excellent comeback he made at the end of the last game to bring us home.  The rest is as expected and no place for Lewis Gregory who has suffered from a stomach bug and now cannot get a place.

Harbajhan wins the toss and decides to bat first so Blizzard and Kanwar come out to face Thomas and his partner (now there on merit) Steve Kirby.  They look solid and steady for the first 3 as they move at about 7 and over but the first bal of the fourth finds Kanwar out and he is caught by Jos off Kirbs with 19 on the board. Raydu replaces him and looks to push the score along with his opener.  They pass 50 in quick order and look to be moving too fast for us.  Enter Dibble who sends Raydu on his way courtesy of the safe gloves of CK and it is 67 for 2.

Franklin comes in but he isn't there for too long as RvdM finds the pad in front of the stumps and he departs for 6 at 86 at the start of the 12th.  It looks even more promising when Master Kartik sends Blizzard back with his stumps awry at 92.

In comes Keiron Pollard and he is in a hurry.  We soon see the power of the man as he sixes Pete Trego's first ball of the match.  He is looking to emulate Chris Gayle and smash his side into the final...he could do it as well as they pass 100 in the 15th.  Unfortunately for him we have this bowler called Alfonso Thomas and he has other ideas when he fools his ex player colleague and castles him at 117.  That is about our lot though as Yadav comes in early to partner Satish and they move the score past 150 and then Reolof keeps them down to 160 with some good glovework from Craig keepng the batsman in their crease for the last over.

Excellent figures from Dibble with 1 for 20 off his four.  Alf got a bit of tap on his last one but got Polly with a beauty. Blizzard was the backbone of their innings with his 54.

Big target - we need to be off to a flyer to get there.  They have a good bowling line-up so we need to be on our game from ball one.

The Reply

Craig and Pete open our account against that Malinga bloke.  His first ball is full and swings away from Mr T.   The second one is also full and straight and off Pete goes for a duck without getting a bat on it - comprehensively bowled.  Somerset are 0 for 1 and this is not starting well!!

His third ball is 'leggy' and RvdM strokes it to the boundary for the first four.  We have 5 after 25% of the "nightmare's" overs!! Nechim takes over number 2.  I know nothing about this man at all.  He's medium pace by the look of it and seemingly difficult to get away until Reolof punches the 4th ot the boundary and is nearly C&B hitting the next straight at the bowler.  He gets his hands to it but finds him self off balance trying to avoid it as well.  They take 6 off the over as Craig gets off the mark with the last ball.  11 for 1 after 2 needing 150 off 18 overs (108 balls).

Malinga stays for the 3rd and CK faces him for the first time and the attempted yorker first up becomes a full toss and the keeper sends it on its way for four.  However, he is keeping us in check and we aren't getting much from his full straight ones.  If we wiat him out will that give us too much to do?  He will probably bowl two and then be kept for the end.

But we don't wait him out as he takes RvdM with his last of the third! Bye Bye middle stump and in comes Hildreth. Absolutely beautiful yorker right at the base of middle stump. 19 for 2 and we are now a long way from 161. James is looking scratchy.

On comes Chahal (legbreak) while we are falling badly behind the asking rate at 20 for 2.  The rate is already over 9 and rising as we seem to be struggling to get it off the cut bit.  We do however manage a boundary and get to 29 after 5.  Harbajhan will probably take the next after Nechim finishes the 6th.  They take 6 off it but keep finding the fielders.   35 for 2 after 6.  A lot left ot get off 14.  Chahal gets another however before the Indians' skipper takes to the crease.  Craig is looking to establish himself for the long haul but JH can't seem to get it past a fielder in the inner ring and they only get 6 off the over - as the commentator says..."it's not enough".

 Harbajhan finally takes the ball for the 8th and we are still not past the 50 mark.  It is very slow and we need 117 from 76 at the moment - it certainly does not look on at the moment.  The 50 does come up as we take 12 from the Mumbai captain and finish the over on 53. The runs are moving a bit now and the two Somerset boys are taking runs off most balls from Chahal, though they don't seem keen to take the little leggy on much.  Then just as I type that Hilda smacks him for consecutive fours 63 for 2 after 9 - looking better but still behind the asking rate.

On comes KP to bowl his medium pace and slow stuff.  Can they hit him like some others did in the summer?  Well it seems not as he goes for only 2 off his first 3 balls - we need to remember that Maliga will be back for 2 of the last 10 so they need to clear most of this total before the 16th.  The ex Somerset boy goes for 4 and puts the brakes on (even though the pair did pass 50 off 43 balls in his over).

Harbajhan then gives Satish an over for the first time in the tournament.  We have 67 off 10 and we have to push it on.  We keep scoring but we can't get to the rope!!  We need 50 off the next 5 or 6.  Hilda goes for broke and is lucky when the fielder gets his positioning wrong when a catch was on.  The boundary is welcome though.  We need 85 from 55 and then 81 from 54 as CK glances the ball beautifully for a four behind the keeper.

We pass the Mumbai comparison score halfway through the 12th at 87 but we are not far enough in front to have any real level of confidence - a couple of BIG overs would change the outlook though and Craig is moving towards a 50 as the partnership reaches 72 off 55 balls.  Franklin is brought in to see what he can do for the 13th and we take 7 off the over.  Malinga is on the horizon though as we need 66 from 42.  Harbajahan is back on after conceding 11 off his first.

The 100 comes off a wierd reverse cross sweep shot.  The next all does for him though as he steps across and plays on off his pad trying to go fine.  A good knock by him though and an excellent partnership between him and Craig.

In comes Jos with the game there for the taking needing 60 off 38.  103 for 3 with 6 to go.  Franklin continues and they take another 7 off his.  I have this nagging feeling that they are leaving themselves too much to do off Lasif and his partner in the last four.  You'd back yourself to hit 100 off the last 10 but not against a specialist like Malinga... he is the Indian's "ace in the hole" IMHO.

Craig reaches 50 at 112 for 3 but Jos can't seem to get it away as we move into the last 4 with more than 45 needed. In fact they need 45 off 24.  They go for it in the 17th as CK hits the first for 6 and then sends the next for 4 while a fielding error gives them a single off the next. He has 66 off 41 at the moment and if he stays there he could take us home.  Jos can't get it away though and Nichem comes back well.  He nurdles the next for four however with that characteristic chip over the keeper.  They take 16 off the over.  29 off 18 needed but the 'Slinger' is back!!

His first ball is a bye. His second is a single. The third is a dot.  The fourth goes to the boundary for a much needed four!! 23 from 14!! The nerves are jangling as the ball keeps low, Jos misses it and the keeper nearly lets it through. as it swings to leg.  A single means just 7 off the over and JB who has not got his eye in is on strike to Franklin for the penultimate one.

22 from 12 becomes 20 from 10 as Jos middles the second ball of the 19th  straight into Craig who saves a certain four by getting in the way...didn't have a lot of choice to be honest.  The break while Craig gets treatment doesn't seem to help as Franklin bowls Buttler with the next ball and we send in Compo (not my choice in this position I have to say).  He takes a single and Franklin gets CK and effectively ends our tournament as KP takes the catch in the deep.  Too many off Malinga's last over and we pushed on too late as Suppiah comes out to try and take us home.  We need 19 off 7 and it doesn't look much better at 15 off 6 from the Sri Lankan?

Ball one of the last Indian over of 2011?  Arul faces and gets a rushed single off the first.  Compo takes the second, tries to send him to leg and loses his middle stump in the process as the ball is too full to play that shot!!  But he had little to lose to be honest.  14 off 4 and it looks like Mumbai in Chennai I am afraid.  Kartik arrives and then departs first ball.  Should have gone earlier and not gambled on taking on this man I'm afraid.  14 off 3 and Alf hoping to do it?  2 sixes would make it interesting!!  They take a single off ball 4 and another is taken off the ball 5.  Franklin has done for us and then Malinga has put the icing on the cake.

We lose by 10 runs and we shold be proud of the tourament form and the $500,000 we have earned here.  Well done boys - you could have gone one more round but came up short against a good side.

Home and winter.... but thanks for the extra month and a bit boys!!

 

 

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Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Grockles.com (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 16:58

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011:10:13:06:49:01 by Grockle.

Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2011 17:10

Bullet-in board material for Mr Rose;

This from the cricinfo preview of our game;

"This is the less glamorous of the semi-finals by a country mile. Barring a few names, you are left with either journeymen or cricketers before or after their prime."



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Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2011 17:12

And this;

"Yet they kept winning, once through a third-choice keeper, once through the hefty hitter who never realised his potential at international level, once through a feisty South African, once through the journeyman South African captain."

I was not aware that IDB had got us through one of the games in this tournament?

If they mean Trego, I wasn't aware that he had ever been given a chance at international level.

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2011 17:16

IN other news, Alf Thomas is the second leading purveyor of maidens in T20 cricket, with nine career maidens.

Praveen Kumar has ten to lead the field.

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2011 17:32

Yep they've certainly done their homework on it haven't they?

I'm sure Craig, Jos, George, Adam and Lewis all appreciate being called 'journeymen' in their late teens/early 20's

I'm also sure that Satch is over the moon at that assessment of his club...

Not only an Indian bias but an internal Bangalore bias to boot.



(Sm72)



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Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: Streeter (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2011 17:32

Okay quick poll. Who would you rather face in the final ?Warner or Gayle ?

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: Naxxar (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2011 17:39

Warner coz lightning can't strike 3 times..can it?!

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2011 17:43

Won't they be on the slower, hard-to-bat-on, ground in the final?

Anyway, the obvious answer is van der Merwe - unless it's Trego.

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: Naxxar (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2011 17:50

What a story if Banglaore make the final. They lost their first 2 matches in the tournament. They triumphed in a must win match with a last ball six and scraped into the semis by the narrowest of margins...

And just think, we could have sent them home too...

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: edinburghbil (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2011 17:53

Gayle, because we can run him out IF we hit!

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: Naxxar (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2011 17:57

Quote:
edinburghbil
Gayle, because we can run him out IF we hit!

and because his bowling is s**t!!!!

Mumbai who?Warner who? Gayle who?
Posted by: nelliec (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2011 17:41

Another special weekend in the history of Somerset, and in October? Whatever the outcome this weekend we have proved ourselves as one of the top one day sides in the world.
The Big teams have apparently got many stars.We apparently have got a few good players, which when put together with a few promising youngsters who show no fear , and an apparent immense team spirit, have surprised the rest of the teams in the competition.
Let's hope this dream( no reality) lives on just another two days. I wonder what the other 17 counties supporters are doing now. Probably planning the day tommorrow so they will be able to fit the rugby in in the morning, and then settle down and watch Somerset beat the Indians in the Afternoon.Or maybe they dont even know we are out there representing our country!!All the best tommorrow. We're all behind you!

Re: Mumbai who?Warner who? Gayle who?
Posted by: nelliec (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2011 17:44

Was writing as other thread was started. Might want to merge Grockle

Re: Mumbai who?Warner who? Gayle who?
Posted by: Naxxar (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2011 17:53

Nice words Nellie. Its certainly going to be an exciting day tomorrow

I see us more as one the most consistent one day sides in the world. We will only be a top one when we actually win something.

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: edinburghbil (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2011 17:59

Leggie caused Gayle some bother there.

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: Naxxar (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2011 18:06

This is very frightening viewing...awesome hitting

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: old boy! (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2011 18:14

Hopefully RCB will have used up all their luck by the time we play them on Sunday!

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: Naxxar (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2011 18:39

If we do win tomorrow, we will end the tournament as the side with the most wins, whatever happens on Sunday

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2011 18:41

Well at least we won't be facing Warner now.

Gayle will be out for a duck in the Final - I can feel it in my blood !

Grizzzly

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: RobboG (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2011 18:43

a win to RCB...so we now know who we will be playing on Sunday :0)



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Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: Naxxar (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2011 18:44

We will never know but I wonder how big a turning point it was in RCB's tournament when Jos put down that (difficult) chance?...



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Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: nelliec (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2011 19:54

I wonder who the Chennai faithful will be shouting for over the weekend?

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2011 19:55

France I'd have thought.



Trego's too good for England

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2011 22:49

VG, BJ smiling smiley

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2011 22:57

NP, SP (Sm113)



Trego's too good for England

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2011 23:56

I hope Gayle's knock today showed the naysayers a thing or two about our bowling. I' so looking forward to tomorrow in a totally relaxed fashion. If we win-great and I think we could then beat RCB because their wheels are bound to fall off sooner or later. IF we lose- we've done so well that I cannot help admire. A total win-win situation as far as I'm concerned.
I look at Mumbai, Harbajan, Pollard, Malinga and think that this is the company we keep. Wonderful.

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: nelliec (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 07:22

[www.telegraph.co.uk]
ÂŁ300000 profit last season even before our Indian Adventure according to Mr Nash.
Edited once . misses a nought off the end. That looks better now!



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Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 07:48

Quote:
Streeter
Okay quick poll. Who would you rather face in the final ?Warner or Gayle ?

Warner. Warner is a very good T20 player.

Gayle is a very good player who reserves his best for T20.

If they bowl at their best then the likes of Alf and Lewis ( if fit) can take care of Warner.

But even at their best, there is a risk that Gayle would still go off on us.

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 07:54

Quote:
nelliec
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/counties/8814065/Somerset-aim-to-prove-their-world-class-credentials-by-winning-the-Champions-League.html
ÂŁ300000 profit last season even before our Indian Adventure according to Mr Nash.
Edited once . misses a nought off the end. That looks better now!

Wow. And that's with a decimated home T20 programme?

Very well done indeed to everybody at the club from Brian and Marcus to the barstaff and ground staff.

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: just in (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 07:57

I think that figure should be ÂŁ300,000..quite impressive for a small non Test Match staging county that was robbed by the weather of three home T20 fixtures!Off field performance as well as on...what a set up...anyone else heard that Mumbai Indians may have a couple of injury worries? What a days sport to look forward to..England v France and then the biggest match for Somerset for many many years.Come on boys..the momemtum, the spirit, and the quality of you guys is all there to make this a very special day.

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 07:59

And looks like the club may get up to 40 percent of the prize money from this tournament?

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 08:05

Definitely think Jos should be at the crease by the half-way point today.

Somebody made the point that they would not want to not have Jos around for carnage at the end of an innings.

I'd make two points;

First the generic point that runs scored at the end are not inherently more valuable than those scored in the middle. 140 off 15 overs and 170 at the end gives same result as 120 off 15 overs and 170 at the end. Plus, who is to say Jos would not bat through?

Second, a specific point about today - Lasith Malinga. He will surely bowl at the end? And even Jos might struggle to destroy him?

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: samaithai2 (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 13:56

Rain and thunder in Madras.

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 14:02

Balls. And obviously no reserve day. What's the betting that the BCCI's tie breaker is to draw lots, each of which will say 'Mumbai'?

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: Naxxar (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 14:36

A Madras gave me bad thunder too once sad smiley

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 14:48

Not currently raining according to weather underground.

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: nelliec (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 15:03

Lost toss and fielding. D/L game maybe

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: Connaught Opener (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 15:03

Mumbai batting

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: Naxxar (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 15:05

Somerset unchanged

Alf says under 160 would be good

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 15:18

How do you guys know all this? My Eurosport transmission has yet to begin - they were showing RCB vs NSW.

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 15:25

I've been getting texts from the ground,don't know about anyone else.By the time text came through info was already on here.



Who put the A in Trego?

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: Naxxar (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 15:27

I am at the ground

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: nelliec (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 15:28

On the main CLT20 website AG

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 15:35

Good job, Alfie.

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 15:40

This looks like one of those tracks where only bad balls will go to the boundary.

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: Naxxar (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 15:42

Cue 3 of them in one over!

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 15:42

Hmm

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 15:46

Excellent from Dibble!

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 15:50

Take a blow, Mr Kirby.

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: Naxxar (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 16:08

Terrific stuff from Dibble

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: Naxxar (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 16:14

First we are undone by a Gayle, now a Blizzard

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 16:15

Wait till John Snow gets a bowl...



LoL

Sixty-four Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: Naxxar (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 16:21

OUT! Well bowled RDM

Should have been brought into the attack much sooner I think..much more threatening than Kartik

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 16:21

At least they don't have Ollie Rayner as one of their overseas contingent.

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: nelliec (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 16:28

93 for 4 . get pollard and we've a great chance

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 16:35

It won't be an easy deck on which to chase, so we surely need Pollard out soon.

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: Streeter (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 16:41

Another Sir Alf anyone ??
Get in there !!

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: Naxxar (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 16:41

Phew..well bowled Alf! I don't fancy chasing more than 140 with their attack...

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 16:42

Alfie is our leader!!! La la la.

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: Naxxar (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 16:52

I fear that over from Alf may prove fatal sad smiley

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 16:53

Premature Nax/AG !

Grizzzly

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 16:56

Yeah, I think they probably have too many as we are not likely to get many off Malinga's four overs.

To win we'll have to go very big in the power-play, IMO.

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 16:57

Compton said 140. All the 160 comments were prior to a ball being bowled.

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: edinburghbil (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 16:58

May our edges (off Malinga) go for four!

Re: Somerset vs Mumbai at Chennai
Posted by: Naxxar (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 16:58

well as they said the other day..and we found out too in the t20 final..140 can be a fiddly score to chase..do u swing and got for it or play carefully and risk being bogged down etc? 160 is a proper score..we have to big to get it....

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 17:02

Pretty good effort with the ball anyway, especially from Adam Dibble.

Come on lads........

Grizzzly

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: ronnies (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 17:06

Lets just give this the best we've got.

Think that Tommo over may prove decisive but who knows.

Excellent from Dibble again. Kartik appears to have many war wounds and doesnt look fit to me!!!

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Chinaman (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 17:06

Well bowled Mr Dibble. Looks a very promising player for the future (and present).

By the way, the missus has just noticed that the Somerset players appear to have a Chinese character on their shirts. It looks to us like the character 长,which means 'long'. Does anybody have any info on this, or are we simply seeing things?

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: rambling sid (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 17:08

To all those who are watching this on telly as opposed to computer, are you being completely plagued with adverts. There seems to ads at the end of each over and additional ads which come on at any time. Difficult to follow the game. Still I suppose at least I'm watching it for nothing.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 17:11

Chinaman I don't think you'r seeing things I think that's the logo fro Kukri, who now supply Somerset's kit

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 17:12

It's the symbol of Kukuri the kit suppliers,Chinaman.



Who put the A in Trego?

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: ronnies (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 17:12

I may be the Kukri logo (the shirt maker) Chinaman.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 17:15

Here's a link to the Kukri site. Wouldn't have bothered posting it until I saw what was on their news page!

[www.kukrisports.com]

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: rambling sid (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 17:29

Mulinga. Is that a legal action. Most obvious chucker I've ever seen.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: edinburghbil (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 17:30

Looks like we may get our wish to get Jos in earlier :-(

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Chinaman (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 17:35

Thanks - I managed to figure out this Kukri thing. Their logo is exactly the same as the Chinese character.

Malinga's action is certainly peculiar. I guess it's legal as long as his elbow is not bent at delivery.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: edinburghbil (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 18:08

It can be bent, just not straighten by more than 15 degrees!

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: edinburghbil (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 18:33

OUCH!

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 18:39

This is going to be tough off slinger.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 18:44

No disgrace in today's performance - we have been defined as the 3rd or 4th best T20 club side (below international level) in the world.



LoL

Sixty-four Seasons a Somerset Supporter



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Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Naxxar (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 18:46

As it turned out, the 19th over of both innings proved crucial.

Well played Somerset, a good tournament, exceeding expectation

But sadly the nearly men once again

Somebody must really hate us up there sad smiley

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Chinaman (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 18:49

But a fine performance all in all. It's just that Malinga was unplayable. And it turns out we gave away just 10 runs too many - we would have chased down 150.

No shame in this, far from it. A very, very fine campaign by a very professional team.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: ronnies (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 18:50

looks like Tommos over for 20 was decisive then as I said. Extremely average over that, what you think Jim, Shep, Average?

Lets get home say goodbye to Kartik and try and get a team which will win us that CC........stiff this t20 lark. Its over before you know it.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 18:51

I agree with you LoL.
Now when are we going to get next years fixtures?



Who put the A in Trego?

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 18:53

Terrible luck with that Jos drive that hit Craig.

Thought we batted well including Hildreth's best T20 innings.

Thought we were below our best with the ball. Those no-balls and free hits given away by Kirby were ultimately the difference in this one.

Now here's a thought - instead of signing two overseas players for T20, perhaps Brian should just try to get Malinga!?

Hopefully Brian will announce some strengthening of our CC squad soon.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: old boy! (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 18:55

I feel that Jos hitting Craig was crucial - it would have been 4 and I'm sure it affected the way Jos played his next shot.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Tumbles (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 18:56

Thank god I don't have to listen to anymore of that Commentary team.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 18:59

I suspect it would take all the money Somerset have won out in India to bring Malinga to Taunton for the T20. Unless of course he's a secret connosseur of Thatchers!

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: ronnies (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 19:00

big plays went against us?......theres a theme here dont you think.

Going to be contoversial here, dont think Jos or Trego will have impressed enough in this tournament to get an IPL contract. 2 first over ducks for Pete wull have un done his 70 and Jos struggled in his 3 innings if we are honest.

Maybe we will have them at the start of next year.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Chinaman (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 19:05

Yeah, I think Kieswetter would be in demand for the IPL, but he's probably committed to England.

But you never know, the Indians might fancy Dibble and Waller after their performances ...

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 19:05

Yes hitting Craig cost us four runs then Jos tried a big shot next ball and was out, would he have played the same shot if he hadn't hit Craig?


Welcome home boys

And all the support staff Andy Nash has been lonely.

.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: edinburghbil (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 19:08

Malinga getting two of our hitters early on made it difficult for us today. Well batted Craig, James and Jos.

How crucial could it have been that the ball hit Craig ? Had it whistled for four, the momentum may have been with us ?

A great tournament from the team all in all and a lot to be proud of.

You can't complain too much if you put in a good performance which just falls short. Malinga was the difference, as he so often is :-(

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 19:08

Well done lads - great effort, even if we came up short at the end.

Interesting to see what happens re signings/Captaincy etc. re 2012, across the next few weeks.

That's also the very last time I'm going to be so stupid as to log in to an Indian web site to stream cricket (the Eurosport link won't work over here). Picked up a virus which cratered my work PC (that will make me popular - not) & now I'm back on an old netbook !!).

Pants !

Still, come home with your heads held high Somerset.

Grizzzly

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Tumbles (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 19:09

Will always wonder what if had Jos missed Craig and it went for four.

The real losing point was probably our last two overs, in stark comparison to the two they bowled.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: ronnies (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 19:10

at least we cant lose the final!!

Organisers got what they wanted............all IPL final!!

Sticks in my throat that. A bit like Surrey and that Ashley Giles/Warks in County Cricket.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: edinburghbil (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 19:33

They do try to engineer that. Guaranteed home ties and double the number of overseas players allowed on the field.

We nearly put a spanner in their works and in their conditions too!

Well done to the whole squad!

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Kingston Black (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 19:34

Yes, but it's been a blast hasn't it? Even ardent haters of T20 have been following this. Well done to all of the players and the back room staff. By the sound of it the club have had a nice little pay day and the players even more so. The name of Somerset CCC is now a little more known than it was a month ago and that can only be a good thing. I for one was very proud to see them do so well.

Thanks to one and all for an entertaining tournament

KB

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 19:57

The luck wasn't with us today, but well played lads, we're proud of you.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: RobboG (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 19:59

A few 'only ifs?'

1. Kirby's no balls
2. The 19th over going for 20
3. Malinga's getting VDM out early, hence preventing any early momentum
4. The ball hitting Craig, instead of going for 4 (yes, I agree this changed the momentum and it allowed Mumbai to regroup and also heaped greater pressure on Jos to score big off the next ball)

IMHO, the key was the 19th over going for 20...chasing 160 as against 147-150 made all the difference today.

Anyway, it has been a blast from start to finish...definitely exceeded all my expectations

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: BeefyRoberts (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 20:01

From a Middle supporter,well done in your venture to the Champions League.Played well,but as your guys put,that ball that hit Kieswetter didnt help,Buttler must of felt really bad about it.Pollard catch? bet that went down well!
At least it got some cash for the club,enjoyed watching your games,see you next season!

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 20:03

Somerset can come home with their heads held high. They were written off before they set foot on Indian soil. They qualified for the main competition easily despite missing several first choice players.They topped their group then played a team who scraped through their own group matches when rules were waived because Mumbai had Notenough Indians, losing on a ground they had never played on before even though their group win should have kept them in Bangalore. Not once have they outwardly complained about any of these incidents, nor used them as excuses.

Proud today to be a Somerset supporter.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 20:03

Thanks Beefy.



Who put the A in Trego?

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: ronnies (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 20:08

looking forward to next season now.......lets win something instead of this 2nd 3rd and 4th mamby pamby nonsense.

This was a bonus but it changes nothing that I didnt think on Sept 18.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 20:22

A brilliant effort from all involved, cementing our place as one of the very best teams in the world.
Well done boys, you're all champions.



Trego's too good for England

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: ronnies (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 20:30

Sorry Jim.......I thought we were THE best. Maybe I got you wrong all these years. You must have mellowed!!!

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Brother Of (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 20:33

Ronnie,what about petes 2/20 odd v KKR and his 58 off 39 v RCB?
Thats the nature of the game at the top of the order against world class bowlers!!
Anyway i want to congratulate the lads on a fantastic season and i cant wait for next year#BLACKBIRD



TREGO FOR ENGLAND

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: ronnies (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 20:41

not enough in my eyes BO sorry. Think Pete's a good player but the IPL and this tournament is a hard school and all that.

Put it this way....what team would he go into as an overseas player and be better than what they already have. Not being awkward, I think its just where it is at present.

I think if he gets in soemeone will be taking a punt. Good for him if it happens I would not begrudge him it one bit.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 20:41

Best ignore his inane ramblings, Bo...he's obviously more than a little confused.



Trego's too good for England

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Brother Of (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 20:53

Sky Sports quote " The tournaments 4th highest scorer Peter Trego was out for 0!!" These stats include his 70 v KKR against 90mph Brett Lee and Jaques Kallis but not a bad tournament for him!!
Some teams have took "punts" on Dan Christian and Owais Shah!!



TREGO FOR ENGLAND

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: ronnies (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 20:55

Inane ramblings Jim? You should know. You've had plenty on here.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 20:55

Heads held high. Plenty of pivotal moments and I still can't work our how anyone can bat against Malinga.
Well played lads.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 21:02

Come on Ronnie, leave it, move on.



Trego's too good for England

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 21:03

I've no idea how Christian and Shah got deals.. Mindblowing.

I thought we possibly should have bowled Pete more today, instead of Kirby. Today's track was one for wicket to wicket bowlers, IMO.

I'm serious about Malinga, would love to get him here for our T20 team. I think it is very unlikely that he would cost more than Kartik and Pollard combined.

Can you imagine having Alf, Lewis and Malinga all bowling 88mph yorkers?

We wouldn't need to score all that many runs!

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 21:06

It's an exciting thought, AG.
Do we want another Sri Lankan though?



Trego's too good for England

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: ronnies (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 21:08

correct AG...how Shah gets a contract I dont know. Putting it in those terms Trego should be a shoo in after this.

Think CK will be in definitely!!!

Just to counter what Jim thinks I say about the players/management etc to post a 300k profit plus what we made from this tournamnmet when we didnt win anything is actially staggering and a credit to all involved.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 21:09

Well done Ronnie, now please can we keep it upbeat?



Trego's too good for England

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: ronnies (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 21:12

no problems Jim................lets put the past where it belongs!!!

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: West Country Gooner (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 21:14

Overall, a fantastic effort from the guys, Nobody expected that we would progress from the qualifiers given the adverse circumstances we were facing but we surpassed everyones expectations and played some excellent cricket. Today was a creditable effort and but for Malinga I believe we would have won this game that and the one unfortunate over at the end of our bowling effort.

The hard work starts here however if we are to remain competitive especially in four day cricket, We have to cover key absences and strenghen accordingly.

It needs to start soon and bear fruit.

Have a good rest boys and come back strong next season.

We`re all proud of you.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 21:23

I shan't watch much of the Final, if any.

But I am tempted to tune in for Malinga vs Gayle in the powerplay.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Sloop John B (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 21:43

Yes - we could have had a few luckier breaks ezsp. the Jos strike against Craig - but them's the breaks.

Think Bagpuss sums it for me. The lads conducted themselves with great dignity and will have won many admirers in the sub-continent.

Alf has been a great leader too and I do wonder if he should continue as T20 captain. Much as I admire Tres I do feel his cpataincy can be a little more Roundhead than Cavalier.

Well proud of all the squad today. The future is bright.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 22:38

I haven't been on this board since just before the end of the game.

I expected people to be full of congratulations for a superb tournament by our boys. Thankfully most have been.

For an English county in this tournament what Somerset has done has been exceptional.

Well said, Bagpuss. With not one word would I disagree.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: ronnies (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 22:44

yes we all have been Bobstan.great effort all round in this comp. Gteat experience. Pity we couldn't have won a trophy though!!!

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 23:35

I have just read the Sky text cricket news and am absolutely spitting.
I quote from memory " Somerset's cruel season continued as they predictably lost a semi final...
They looked well in conrrol with 3 overs to go but good death bowling bad luck and bad shot selection brought about a batting collapse."

That wasn't the game I was watching and it;s very poor reporting. Little bit of Sky jealousy there perhaps .

We are the 3rd(equal) best team in the world ON RESULTS and we are proud.
Roll on 2012.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 23:43

I wouldn't worry too much about the media Geordie, you'd have to go a long way to find a more cluless bunch.
We've achieved something quite remarkable over the past few weeks, everyone should be bursting with pride.
Let's hope we have a settled winter and everyone comes back fit and healthy for another season of brilliant cricket.



Trego's too good for England

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2011 23:47

You are quite right BJ. It's just that I like facts to be accurate, - especially when it is doing down our beloved lads.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Chinaman (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2011 07:16

An extra point is that this tournament has been terrific for our younger players, who have all not only got valuable experience playing in Indian conditions against the world's top players, but have actually performed at a high level to boot. A few examples from among the bowlers:

AJ Dibble 8 overs, 44 runs, 2 wickets, economy rate 5.50 (best Somerset economy rate for the tournament)
L Gregory 3 overs, 18 runs, 2 wickets, economy rate 6.00
MTC Waller 6 overs, 41 runs, 3 wickets, economy rate 6.83

This suggests these three at least should be given more opportunities in all forms of the game next season.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Naxxar (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2011 12:22

They did brilliantly well over there..a great credit to the club and to English cricket as a whole...but they should be in today's final...the match yesterday was very winnable from that position..we lacked the killer touch once again

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: edinburghbil (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2011 13:25

It was always going to be hard with Malinga bowling 2 of the last 3 overs. We needed a big over in the 19th, but it wasn't to be. Had Jos' drive whistled for four, the pressure could have been on the bowler, but as it was, a dot ball put the pressure back on us. As has been said, that was just how the cookie crumbled for us yesterday.

Tactically, I wonder if we should have batted, say Arul, at 1 or 3 with the idea of seeing off Malinga. As it was, losing PT and RvdM to Malinga's opening 2 overs was costly.

We're not the first, and wont be the last to fall foul of Malinga under pressure to score off him.

Messing up his length by taking guard on and well in front of the crease may be a tactic against him.

Of course, things could have been tighter on our part. Kirby's over with 2 no balls and the 19th over were also costly, but that's sport and playing under pressure for you!

I do think the uneven number of overseas players tilts things in favour of IPL teams but marketing guys want to see the stars, so I guess a limit to 2 players will never happen :-(

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: edinburghbil (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2011 13:44

I would imagine that Joel in his pomp could have been even more potent in T20 ? Could have been fun seeing him bat in T20 too!

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: ronnies (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2011 14:24

that would have been a sight to see!!! I think he would have done rather well in it too.......quality bowler!!

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2011 16:29

Yeah, hopefully Gregory will be fit to bowl in 2012 and Dibble and Craig M will also play regularly, meaning that there would be little question of having to use either one or Kirby or Hussain in T20 (one of them might have to play in early season Pro 40 games due to Alf's IPL absence)

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Scrumper (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2011 17:04

I wish Mumbai had batted like this yesterday!



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Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2011 17:38

Just back from a busy weekend - echoing the sentiments above: well played Somerset, especially as pretty much everyone contributed at some point and the younger players got some great experience. Also agree with fRed - wish Mumbai had been this ordinary yesterday - even Malinga's gone for 15 off 2!

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2011 17:46

Wow - Gayle gone! Never thought the umpire would give that. Game wide open now.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2011 17:48

Mumbai clear favourites now - meaning that we will have lost to the eventual winner.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: edinburghbil (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2011 17:58

Didn't we lost to both finalists ?

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2011 18:16

Royal Chokers Bangalore?



Blindly loyal since 1972 winking smiley

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2011 18:25

Finally the ECB seem to have noticed something may have been going on in India that involved an English county

[www.ecb.co.uk]

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: edinburghbil (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2011 18:56

I did think Gayle was umpired out to some extent, but a very poor run chase in the end from RCB, although Harbajan did get a LOT of assistance from the pitch today.

Maybe as neither finalists were worthy, we should be awarded the cash ?

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2011 19:34

Thanks for the link Bagpuss, the doubts I had of Adam that it was too much to ask of him was proved wrong by how he bowled.

It must show the strength of his character.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: old boy! (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2011 20:27

I read somewhere in the last few days that the prize money for the 2010 Champions League was only paid out 2/3 months ago, so our ÂŁ250K may be a while coming - certainly not in time for the boys to buy some decent Christmas presents.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2011 22:10

I'm sure their respective spouses would love to receive IOU's on Christmas morning - especillay if denominated in Rupees !

Grizzzly

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Chinaman (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2011 07:22

I must say I really liked the way Dibble bowled. He really had his strategy worked out, short run-up and nice tight deliveries at the stumps. Real strength of character, especially when you consider he had not played senior level T20 before. To come in like that in foreign conditions against top players and achieve an economy rate of 5.50 was superb.

Let's hope he can continue to develop, because he could be a real asset.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: old boy! (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2011 08:41

I agree ref Dibble. With some time to mature, in 2/3 years a squad consisting of:
Barrow, Buttler, Compton, Dibble, Dockrell, Gregory, Hildreth, Jones, Keiswetter, Meschede, Suppiah, Trescothick, Waller, plus others including an off spinner
could look pretty useful.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Zyder head (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2011 08:53

Things just didn`t quite happen for us the other day but that is t20 isn`t it....
Watching the game at the ground in Taunton it was quite interesting to note that out of the playing staff that were not in India the only person I noticed watching with us was Max who was cutting a forlorn figure on his own!
Lots of positives to take out of the trip though with the likes of Jones and Dibble making contributions and looking at home with the best in their first venture in T20.There are a few areas we need to improve upon including our strategy and our man management of the players looks a bit muddled but all in all the players have been a credit to the club and the future looks very rosy. If we can find the find the improvement in the said areas we should pick up some silverware very soon.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2011 16:26

Well, at least Max was watching I suppose, instead of shopping !

Wonder which player(s) who played a full part in the Champions League, will be the first to show up back at the County Ground.

Maybe Mike can have to keep his eyes open & let us know !

Grizzzly

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2011 16:47

Not me but a friend has seen Arul, and Chris Jones in the ground, so some must be back, if not all. Chris was with his Mom filling up her car with all his clothes.

Mom will do the washing. (Sm100)

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2011 16:49

That was quick - 2012 Pre-season training must have started already !

Grizzzly

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2011 17:05

Jos Buttler, will train with England during the one-day series but will not be available for selection.

They do have one t20 on the 29th

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2011 17:25

CK stating in an interview he'd rather play for SCCC at this stage of his career rather than the IPL, albeit he admits the lure of it is great.

Maybe he wont be away at the start of next year after all!!!

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Jon P (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2011 17:34

I am loving it!

New here. Stumbled on the site while looking around for the pathetic media snippets of Somersets marvellous performances.

I spent the last couple of weeks watching the wonderful exploits of the Somerset Team in India and I have to say I have been absolutely loving it. Apart from the obvious disappointment of the result on Saturday, I think we can all say the boys did us proud. Who knows what might have happened if Jos’s drive had found the boundary instead of Craig’s arm?

I am a Somerset man now living in exile in Ireland so I don’t make it to many matches but I am generally glued to the TV every time we play. I grew up watching the likes of – this is generally were people say Botham, Richards and Garner, although looking back saw much more of Roebuck, Marks and Dredge, - but have to say the team in the past 2-3 years has given me just as much entertainment and enjoyment if not more.

We seem to have some great young players coming through so hopefully next year we can add some silverware to the great performances. Even our great teams of the late 70’s and early 80’s never really put together a serious Championship Challenge so that’s the one I would dearly like to see us win.

Anyone know when next years fixtures are out?

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2011 17:42

Welcome, Jon P.

I agree that this is a great time to be a Somerset follower.
So many young players with real potential.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2011 17:49

Yes welcome.

No sign of the fixture list yet!.

With fewer t20’s next season maybe the county championship will not be split in two.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2011 17:51

Welcome JP.

I'm from a similar era - first blooded on the likes of Hallam Moseley/Graham Burgess etc. & gorged on the successes of the glory years.

You are 100% right though, that the team of the late 70's & early 80's certainly underperformed in the Championship.

Here's to 2012...

Grizzzly

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Naxxar (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2011 18:03

OMG lol........Lancashire may have won the 2011 County Championship Division One but Somerset are the 4/1 favourites to win next year's title. Newly-crowned County Championship Division One winners Lancashire are 5/1 with Sky Bet to retain their title next season


We will host South Africa on 9 and 10 July.

Should we be lucky enough to get there again, the T20 finals are August 25th in Wales, the CB40 at Lords on 15 Sept.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: old boy! (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2011 19:15

Welcome Jon P
You might be able to form a supporters club for SCCC (my son is also exile in NI). You could get George to be President!! Then he wouldn't be tempted away by Surrey or Warwicks who have all the big bucks!!

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Streeter (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2011 20:13

Lots of thoughts on the past 2 weeks but I don't type very quickly so I'll stick to a couple.
What great fun it has been. Having had the dissappointments of the end of the season it was brilliant to see the lads playing with such application and enthusiasm. It is evident that shorter forms of the game allow for greater a degree of luck in the final result but how unlucky was that ball hitting Craigs arm ? We only lost by ten and that was certainly four of them . Oh well... the thing is what struck me was that last time we were in India we looked ab bit out of our depth but this time we were good enough to win it. Must show some kind of progress.
Now what do I do for the next 6 months ?

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Naxxar (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2011 20:19

We did really well the last 2 weeks..good effort

But from the position we were in towards the end of the semi, we really should have won that match and maybe the final too

An opportunity missed

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Botham (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2011 20:41

Jon P, welcome. I'm still here, but many probably wish I wasn't!

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Sloop John B (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2011 20:53

Regional TV showed several of the lads arriving back and had interviews with Lewis and Adam.

A break for most now until training starts again in November apparently.

Welcome Jon P - hope you continue to enjoy -and post. Most contributors are pretty friendly - but watch out for that BJ chap ;-)

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: edinburghbil (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2011 22:46

Remember that back in the day they were 3 day games and relied on declarations. How many would you set in 60 overs when the opposition contained Richards and Botham ? In the 4 day world, we would have had more success I feel

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Jon P (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2011 09:25

Thanks for all the kind words of welcome. It will be nice to talk to some like mind people. Not too many I can talk cricket with in the pub with here.

Looking back on our 70’s/80’s golden generation I seem to recall it was the bowling that really let us down. Just not enough wickets from the Garner support bowlers and it has to be said there was the odd day or two when Joel just didn’t fancy it. Even today I still think you need at least 3 good quality fast/fast medium bowlers to take the title so I certainly think this is the area we should be looking at to fill with an OS player to mount a serious challenge next year.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2011 09:43

Quote:
Naxxar
We did really well the last 2 weeks..good effort
But from the position we were in towards the end of the semi, we really should have won that match and maybe the final too

An opportunity missed

The position that we were in with 3 overs to go was never, in my view, a strong one simply because Malinga had two to come and it was obvious that we would not get many off him.

With hindsight, there was a minor tactical error in that Craig K and Jos needed to go to all-out attack mode possibly two or certainly one over earlier than they did. As it was Craig savaged the 17th over, but that still left us needing 27 or something off the last three (two from Malinga.) The 16th over needed to be savaged as well.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2011 09:52

good points Jon.

I also think in the 70s/80s our big players found it hard to be motivated outside the bigger gates in 1 day cricket. That also had a bearing on us not winning the title. I think lack of support for Garner as a bowler also contributed.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Bagpuss (IP Logged)
Date: 12/10/2011 18:34

An interview with James Hildreth - his thoughts on the CLT20
and more .

[www.ecb.co.uk]

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Naxxar (IP Logged)
Date: 12/10/2011 19:04

Quote:
AGod
Quote:
Naxxar
We did really well the last 2 weeks..good effort
But from the position we were in towards the end of the semi, we really should have won that match and maybe the final too

An opportunity missed

The position that we were in with 3 overs to go was never, in my view, a strong one simply because Malinga had two to come and it was obvious that we would not get many off him.

With hindsight, there was a minor tactical error in that Craig K and Jos needed to go to all-out attack mode possibly two or certainly one over earlier than they did. As it was Craig savaged the 17th over, but that still left us needing 27 or something off the last three (two from Malinga.) The 16th over needed to be savaged as well.


We were favourites to win at that stage although it wasnt a gimme. But as so often, we fell away just short of the finishing line.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Wickham (IP Logged)
Date: 18/10/2011 09:16

I have been in the wilds of Dartmoor and Exmoor for the last week or so. So, I am only just catching up on all this.

Looking back at the season as a whole, the quote on the official site from Guy Lavender sums up my feelings:

"Yes, we have failed to deliver on a couple of occasions, but that can't detract from the quality of cricket that we have played and hopefully the enjoyment we have provided to our spectators and members over the course of the 2011 season."

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Naxxar (IP Logged)
Date: 18/10/2011 17:21

Winners have trophies, losers just have excuses sad smiley

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Wickham (IP Logged)
Date: 18/10/2011 19:20

... and spectators - or at least this one - had enjoyment over the course of the seaon.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Naxxar (IP Logged)
Date: 18/10/2011 19:39

Yes me too.

I just wish sometimes though the club would be more ruthless and drop the 'how unlucky we are but hey we're all having fun' routine.

Sir Alex Ferguson wouldn't accept his side coming 2nd or 3rd in everything 3 years in a row.

The club have to accept..that with the resources they have..that they are failing massively by not winning trophies, which after all is the purpose of actually entering competitions.

Compared to many other counties, Rose was given big bucks to spend last winter..Kirby, Hussain, Mendis etc..yet we got no nearer winning a trophy last season than the year before

Sooner or later the excuses have to stop and those in charge must be called to account

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 18/10/2011 19:45

...and I wouldn't accept Sir Alex Ferguson as manager of my club (football or cricket).

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Naxxar (IP Logged)
Date: 18/10/2011 19:46

Doubt he'd understand the rules of cricket! smiling smiley

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 18/10/2011 19:51

I'd rather be second third or fourth than seventh eighth or ninth.

I'd like to win but if I can't I'd like to compete and I also appreciate being able to go and see good cricket at my local stadium whoever plays it.

Obviously I'm a poor supporter of the county because of that I suppose. Ahh well..never mind eh.



(Sm72)

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Naxxar (IP Logged)
Date: 18/10/2011 20:00

Now you're just twisting my words!

I'd rather be 2nd or 3rd than 9th. And I did say I'd enjoyed alot of the cricket too last season. Going to cricket is partly a social experience too, after all.

But..and I stick to this..I still think we are failing by not winning at least one trophy in the last three years, with the talent and money we have. If you look back at the 79-83 side you remember not only the great matches and the great players but the trophies too. If anybody says 1979 to you, you think instantly of winning the JPL and GC.. In 20 years time I don't want to look back as this era as the nearly era. I want to look back on us winning trophies too.

If I'd have met you back in 2008 and told you 'in the next 3 years we will reach 5 finals' surely you'd be disappointed too if you then discovered we didn't even win one!

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Zyder head (IP Logged)
Date: 18/10/2011 22:52

I have no doubt at all about the fact this side is under achieving but I am not surprised as we haven`t altered anything!
In the last 3 seasons we have have shown we have a mental block when it comes to finals and to my eyes we actually look less like winning one when we get there as we are getting beat more comfortably each time. Lets be honest the only one that was close was when Hampshire collapsed and panicked and even then we could not win because we had 11 players on the pitch that didn`t know the rules! It was bad enough that the captain didn`t know the rules but it was made even worse to me that he said afterwards that "it would not of been the right way to win"!!!! Extraordinary comment from someone who says he desperately wants to win a trophy for his county.Can you imagine a winner like Graeme Smith or Justin Langer saying something like that??
The buck stops with Marcus I feel as lets be honest everyone,as good as he is as a great of Somersets history,he has a record of not producing on the big stage for Somerset and England and it looks as if he has his own mental block when it comes to the big occasion so surely that resonates to the team? If he conquers his mental block in finals then we may be in business but until then.......I know Andy Hurry made comments about making changes so it will be interesting to see what happens
I suspect this comment may be controversial but I think the facts back my feelings up



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011:10:18:22:58:54 by Zyder head.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 18/10/2011 23:23

"with the money we have"?

Have I wandered onto the Surrey board? Or Hampshire? Middlesex? Lancs? Warwickshire? Notts?

I could go on...

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2011 08:21

I said at the last AGM that I expected Somerset to make a good profit this year even without any income from success on the field. There was very large outgoings last year that Somerset were not going to have this season, and from what Andy Nash said it seams to have happen.

A good profit means a healthy club.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Naxxar (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2011 08:27

Quote:
SheptonPaul
"with the money we have"?
Have I wandered onto the Surrey board? Or Hampshire? Middlesex? Lancs? Warwickshire? Notts?

I could go on...

One of only 3 clubs to make a profit last year whereas some of the others you mention are seriously in debt. I'm not saying we are uber rich..I was just pointing out we had enough money to buy in several new players last season..Mendis at 40k for 1 month's services etc

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2011 09:20

Fair point, Naxxar - tho we're hardly the ManUtd (or ManCity) of cricket.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: old boy! (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2011 10:12

Mendis ÂŁ40,000 for one month??
What was the thinking behind that?
That makes him a ÂŁ480,000 pa (pro rata) player!
How many of those can we afford??

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Naxxar (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2011 10:23

Quote:
SheptonPaul
Fair point, Naxxar - tho we're hardly the ManUtd (or ManCity) of cricket.

No and I wasn't implying so! My original post just lamented the fact we haven't won a trophy since 2005, considering the talent we have and compared to some counties (though not all!) a decent playing budget too.

I know there are many..and I totally respect their views..who don't see winning trophies as the be-all and end-all, who enjoy their cricket whatever the outcome, who go to cricket to eat, drink and be merry, to meet friends, to enjoy the atmosphere, who still manage to have a great day at Lords even when we lose and who just shrug their shoulders and say 'well thats Somerset for you..always the nearly men'

I recognise as well that its still a decent achievement that we've been competitive in everything, that playing standards have improved dramatically in the last 5 seasons and that many other counties would give their right arm to get to one final, let alone five!

HOWEVER...harsh though it may sound...I still think we have underachieved by not winning a trophy.

That was what I was saying in my post lsast night.

Something has to change...

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2011 11:15

Don't disagree with you at all, Naxxar - I fall mainly in the "decent achievement that we've been competitive in everything, that playing standards have improved dramatically in the last 5 seasons and that many other counties would give their right arm to get to one final, let alone five!" camp.

I remember 1979-83 very well - I was at, I think, two of the winning finals, as well as the Afridi / Boswell final of 2001 (?) - and I'd love us to win something very soon!

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Naxxar (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2011 11:28

Ah poor Scott Boswell! Pity we never encountered him in any of our more recent finals too!

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2011 11:47

Is the 40K for Mendis from the accounts? I missed any figure being bandied about.

If that was the price we was robbed!

It was that kind of statement along the lines of "...if your not first you're nowhere" kind of thing Naxxar. It's not why I watch sport and it isn't a particular philosophy I personally adhere to.

I've seen dire seasons and mediocre seasons and what I am seeing now is niether of them by any stretch of the imagination. I see a side maintaining a level of achievement well beyond anything I expected to see less than a decade ago.

I am obviously disappointed by not winning trophies but I am also heartened by the fact we continue to compete at the highest level.

I don't see this season as a particular failure - we are one of the best domestic sides in the country IN ALL FORMS of cricket and we are now accepted as a T20 force on a world stage - something no other domestic county side has achieved in the last three years...if ever.

If it hasn't come yet then I don't expect lame excuses for why it hasn't and I expect the at least the same effort next year to maintain our position and go even further. Then again I don't remember reading too many excuses for the lack of trophies...most of the time in meetings I have been in the comments from the staff have accepted the failings with honesty about shortcomings and outlined plans to deal with them. I expect the same this year.

And if they don't make it next year I'll be back again in 2013 hoping for more.

Whether they suceed or not is relative and not always in the hands of those making the plans.



(Sm72)

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Naxxar (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2011 12:25

That's alright then smiling smiley

We have the third biggest wage bill in the country. We have the leading run scorer in Division One, a player who is really our equivalent of our overseas player. We spent alot of money on covering the actual overseas position for the whole season. We spent alot of money recruiting new bowlers. We spent alot of money investing in big names for the T20. We also had the vital experience of coming so close (x3) the year before. We were the bookies favourites to win the title last year, yet we finished lower than in 2010 and we lost the two one day finals more comprehensively than in 2010.

Therefore, in my opinion, we underachieved.

At no point in my posts did I say I subscribed to (sic) "...if your not first you're nowhere"

The season before, I took great pride in coming so close in the CC

However, I felt last season we failed because we didn't win anything, considering the resources and playing staff we had

I hope the powers that be won't rest on their laurels and will carry out a thorough review and not get sidetracked by coming 3rd equal in a tournament set up only to make its participants very rich



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011:10:19:12:27:48 by Naxxar.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2011 15:31

I think "winners have trophies, losers just have excuses" is as close as makes no odds but there ya go.

So we shouldn't spend the money next year is that what y6u are saying?

Should we spend it in some other way? Do you really believe that they will NOT do a ful review of what is going wrong?

Sorry I don't see what your actual point is. They didn't succeed last year, or the year before but at least we were at a county that were in a position to actually have another go.

You say you aren't criticising the side..but then you go on to criticise the side - so the policy you would follow is what?

How would you do things different with the money? How are they getting it wrong?

We have a high wage bill because we have a squad of the best players in the country. They aren't getting it completely right but they do seem to be able to get where they are on 80% of that so I'm assuming they'll work on that and we all hope they'll provide the other 20% because when they do I will confidently put my own neck on the line and say should that happen NO-ONE in domestic cricket will be able to live with the squad we have.

We cocked up with Mendis - we'll learn and not make the mistake again. We'll still spend that kind of money but we'l get more for it. Rose gets it right more often than he gets it wrong but he isn't perfect - who would have thought it aye?

So I'm personally not sure what you want to happen that will not happen.



(Sm72)

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2011 15:45

Quote:
Naxxar

Sir Alex Ferguson wouldn't accept his side coming 2nd or 3rd in everything 3 years in a row.


and Sir Brian Rose wouldn't accept (or wouldn't even select) a player who kicked one of his opponents.



LoL

Sixty-four Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Naxxar (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2011 15:56

Why do you feel the need to be so 'aggresive' towards anybody that challenges your views? And belittle them?

To answer your questions...

Yes I do want us to spend money if its spent wisely..I warmly applauded the signing of VDM here

My opinion for what its worth..but I might be very wrong..is no there will not be a full review and we will end up with the same captain and coaching team next season

My actual point, posted yesterday, was that we under achieved last season and that people coming on here saying well done for coming 2nd or 3rd don't have such high expectations or standards as some of the rest of us

I would spend some of the money on shaking up the coaching network. I cannot elaborate on this as I do not wish to lose my job..enough said


I cannot see why you should be so offended somebody coming on and posting that the squad failed last season because it did not win a trophy. You come across as a very well informed man or woman and I usually enjoy reading your posts which often make a good deal of sense. We obviously differ on this topic but that makes the discussion more interesting.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2011 16:01

I tend to agree with Naxxar on this one.

It is great that we (distance permitting !) can watch an entertaining team in wonderful surroundings and everything else that goes with SCCC.

But, fact is we have under performed. We have done wonderfully overall, but - relative to the talent we have had across the last few years, and of course the winning positions we got ourselves into, - we should most definitely have won at least a couple of pots.

That having been said, I'd rather be in our position than pretty well any other County & I don't know what is the answer (if there is a single one) to the task of getting us across the winning tape. Hopefully RvdM will be part of that, as I think our problem is a collective mental one, rather than much else.

Naxxar has however previously raised questions over the Captaincy, Management & Coaching team in place. As I've said before, I'm not really in a position to comment here, but I do wonder what is behind those questions and indeed what the (better) alternative is ?

Grizzzly

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Naxxar (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2011 16:03

Quote:
Loyal of Lhasa.
Quote:
Naxxar

Sir Alex Ferguson wouldn't accept his side coming 2nd or 3rd in everything 3 years in a row.


and Sir Brian Rose wouldn't accept (or wouldn't even select) a player who kicked one of his opponents.


Ummmm did Marcus not have to go before the ECB in July to defend the side's five incidences of breaking cricketing law within a year?

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Naxxar (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2011 16:07

Quote:
Grizzzly
I tend to agree with Naxxar on this one.
It is great that we (distance permitting !) can watch an entertaining team in wonderful surroundings and everything else that goes with SCCC.

But, fact is we have under performed. We have done wonderfully overall, but - relative to the talent we have had across the last few years, and of course the winning positions we got ourselves into, - we should most definitely have won at least a couple of pots.

That having been said, I'd rather be in our position than pretty well any other County & I don't know what is the answer (if there is a single one) to the task of getting us across the winning tape. Hopefully RvdM will be part of that, as I think our problem is a collective mental one, rather than much else.

Naxxar has however previously raised questions over the Captaincy, Management & Coaching team in place. As I've said before, I'm not really in a position to comment here, but I do wonder what is behind those questions and indeed what the (better) alternative is ?

Grizzzly


Sums up my feelings perfectly. Thank You. I'm not a negative poster usually and you may remember, even after the shambles of Warks at home, I was here posting positives and wrongly predicting we'd still win the CC. I've never said we're a bad side. I've never said it's not an achievement constantly getting into positions to win things. The current squad are one of the most talented..and for what its worth the nicest...we've ever had. But we are under achieving by not winning trophies. Its not a big line to cross because we are so close but I hope the powers that be can identify what is going wrong and try and right it..we ALL want that! Coz we all care.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011:10:19:16:11:37 by Naxxar.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2011 16:15

Quote:
SheptonPaul
"with the money we have"?
Have I wandered onto the Surrey board? Or Hampshire? Middlesex? Lancs? Warwickshire? Notts?

I could go on...

Also, don't forget that oft-quoted "third highest wage bill in the land." This was said of our wage bill in 2010, I believe.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Naxxar (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2011 16:18

Quote:
AGod
Quote:
SheptonPaul
"with the money we have"?
Have I wandered onto the Surrey board? Or Hampshire? Middlesex? Lancs? Warwickshire? Notts?

I could go on...

Also, don't forget that oft-quoted "third highest wage bill in the land." This was said of our wage bill in 2010, I believe.


The actual quote if I remember it correctly was something like 'we are the 3rd highest investors in our playing squad in the country'

which made it sound like something Ghastly Gordon would have said at Prime Ministers Questions!

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2011 16:30

Well, I continue to believe that we had/have a strong first XI when everybody is fit and available and that there has been / and possibly might continue to be a significant drop off when any first choice player is not available. Certainly, that is the case in first-class cricket.

It does not sound as though the club has the resources and/or intention of doing very much to change this as we have been told that there is money for only one domestic signing, albeit a "quality," one and money for an overseas player to precede RvDM.

As for all the talk about whether we believe that there will or won't be a full "review," etc?

I'm sure there will be. But if the resources are such that only a maximum of one new player could be added for the full season (and a temporary overseas cover for the first part of the season) then it's difficult to see how much of any great significance could be changed as part of a review.

I am not convinced that changing the coaching/captaincy/management is a good idea and it is evident that Naxxar cannot go into much detail about why he holds the view that it may be (other than the general point of a degree of underachievement.)

I am convinced that any review that is conducted by our management/captain/coaches etc is most unlikely to conclude that changes in the above areas are required! That's human nature, after all!!

So, really, next season will be about hoping for luck with injuries to first-choice players and hoping that young players can come on at a gallop, as opposed to expecting any significant changes to be made by management as a result of a review.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Naxxar (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2011 16:40

Yes there were certainly some mitigating circumstances last season when comparing the CC campaign to 2011 (though we actually won as many games)...Thomas going off to the IPL..too many debutants starting the season..Craig away more with England..Jos and James getting international call ups..Kartik getting injured and then distracted by Surrey..key injuries in the last month etc

I love the way the club are referring to our possible new addition as a quality signing, don't you? It sort of implies some signings haven't been/won't be quality ones!

A review would look at getting the best out of what we have. Surely it should ask if Marcus is the best captain on the staff? And whether the coaching set up is doing a good job? Are we satisfied with the level of competence of our batters against spin? Are we confident in our bowling coaches to get the best out of people like Hussain? Were we happy with our team selections at key times last season, like the T20 final? Are we happy with the progress being made by huge talents like Lewis etc?

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2011 17:01

"I love the way the club are referring to our possible new addition as a quality signing, don't you? It sort of implies some signings haven't been/won't be quality ones!"

I think the idea is that playing up the "quality," is intended to avoid any questions being asked about whether the quantity of new recruits is/will be sufficient to provide us with the cover/competition for places that we need.

"Quality not quantity," and all that.

(Although, of course, this is a specious argument if said quality is regularly unavailable for parts of the season!)

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Naxxar (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2011 17:04

Yes yes..you get my (slightly flippant) point though eh!

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2011 18:22

That one I assume is in no way "belittling"

Why do you automatically assume my tone is "aggressive"? I simply asked for clarification and made alternative opinionated comments. Is it classified as "aggressive" because it questions your view?

As I said it is the "there is nothing but winning" comments I particularly have problems with alongside the seeming implication that the reason we are not winning something is because of inept management which could be solved simply.

But solve the problem for them if you can...provide the answer they seem to be missing... How would the great Alex F get it right?



(Sm72)

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Naxxar (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2011 18:32

So you don't feel we underachieved last season?

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2011 18:40

Against what criteria?



(Sm72)

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Wickham (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2011 18:49

I share the views expressed in Grockle's post of 11.47.

As to the point made about "people coming on here saying well done for coming 2nd or 3rd", I plead guilty to having said "well done" to all sorts of people (including my children) who did not necessarily come out at the very top of (say) their sport or their exam.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2011 19:00

My school report always said “could have done better” the problem was I couldn’t have done better.

Some of our team could have.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2011 19:07

And some of them did better.

Success is relative to what you want to achieve. You underachieve or over achieve dependent on what your targets are. Then of course there are levels of achievement/under achievement/over achivement.

It isn't simple and it certainly isn't black or white



(Sm72)

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Naxxar (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2011 19:20

Marcus April 2011...


Somerset are not chokers. But I accept that until the current team puts some silverware on the shelf at Taunton that is how we are going to be perceived within the domestic game.

Being regarded as favourites for the County Championship, even though we have never won it, excites me because it shows how highly people rate us and how good our squad is.

Of course it will bring added pressure as the season progresses and that is an extra burden we have to carry. We need to utilise it in the right way and ensure it helps, rather than hinders, our efforts to go one step further than last year. We have to continue doing the things we did in 2010 and find that little bit extra.

Everything is in place for Somerset to become winners, not chokers.




The targets that were set pre-season was to win a trophy! We didn't! So therefore we underachieved our stated aims

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2011 19:56

So far as the CC is concerned, I would pose the question ( in relation to underachievement) 'How many of our players are likely to have been pleased with themselves for their performances over the season?'

I would guess the answer would be that the captain, Nick Compton, Steve Kirby and Alf Thomas would be content with their personal returns, but that all of our other guys that have experience will be somewhat underwhelmed by their returns.

I don't know about the youngsters because they had no previous opportunity to set their own standards.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2011 20:10

How pleased would any of us be about our performances in our respective careers or relationships or hobbies? Not reaching the highest pinnacles does not mean we were not trying damn hard to do so.

If I could
Write poetry like
B J Thribb, I'd
Be mighty pleased but
Try as I do
I can't.



LoL

Sixty-four Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2011 20:16

Quote:
Mike TA1
My school report always said “could have done better” the problem was I couldn’t have done better.
Some of our team could have.

My woodwork teacher wrote this immortal sentence about me (my name was, of course, always LoL):

LoL will have to struggle a great deal harder if he is to make anything other than firewood

I admit that I didn't strive very hard, well aware of where my talents didn't lie.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2011 20:22

Brian Rose January 2011

"We expect to compete in all formats of the game"

Target achieved

"This may be a developmental season."

We introduced Lewis, Alex, Adam, George, Craig M and Chris

Target probably over achieved

See it depends what your criteria are and where you set your expectations.

Somerset underachieved if there was a realistic expectation that they would win the Championship - most people on here did not have that expectation just a hope - therefore the level of 'under-achievement' is relative.



(Sm72)

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Naxxar (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2011 20:31

My quote is 3 months further on than yours and therefore more relevant

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Norwich SCCC (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2011 20:35

I was one of the people that thought we could win it.

We lost by the narrowest of margins the year before, and brought in wicket taking bowlers in Kirby, Hussain and Mendis (ok, didn't quite work) and lost Phillips and ZdB. Improvement in the bowling department was expected on paper at least.

Therefore I have never bought the whole developmental thing and do regard the 2011 Championship season as a disappointment.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2011 20:37

Clutching I'm afraid...the plans are set from the start of the year and the main ones are expressed to the membership at the main meeting with the supporters - the main AGM.

You look at one - the cricket club is multi layered and my comment is from Marcus' boss so Nnnneeeerr! :-)



(Sm72)

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Naxxar (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2011 20:40

Bookies pre-season favourites to win the title..came 4th

Bookies favourites to win the T20 final at 7pm on the night..lost it

Underachieved sad smiley

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: BristolRob (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2011 20:45

More a case of Bookies got it wrong.



Who put the A in Trego?

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Naxxar (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2011 20:47

In a survey of all 18 first-class coaches in April, when asked who do you think will win CC1, TEN voted for us!

Ironically Rose voted for Notts..so he underachieved twice smiling smiley

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2011 20:54

And your point is? Ohh yes that the bookies were wrong? Does that hardly ever happen then?

You are simply (and that is a very relevant word) failing to get it.

Simple statements are not by definition wrong. They just aren't the whole story or set in stone because a bookie says something will happen.

The targets of a cricket club are far more layered than that and operate over longer periods than the second week in April until the third week in September of 2011.

Would the side have underachieved in cricket terms if they go on to win all the trophies for the next three years with the core of a side developed in this season?

Were we favourites to win the C40?

Were we expected by said bookies to be one of the semi-finalists in the CLT20?

Far too selective and blinkered in your view - you aren't necessarily wrong just pretty selective in your areas and definitions.

And I'm personally done with this because the points have been made and are simpkly being repeated now. I'll be happy to look at something new but thanks for the debate.



(Sm72)

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Naxxar (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2011 20:59

My pleasure! Thank You too! You may sometimes be wrong..as I am too..but you believe in what you write and I respect you for that.

Let's hope we are not having the same discussion again at the end of next season smiling smiley

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2011 21:01

Maybe I don't understand the way things work, but surely the very profitability of bookies depends on suckers backing winners on the basis of their predictions which then turn out to wrong. If all the odds were justified by outcomes, would there be any cash for Mr Ladbroke?

In any event, since when did bookies have a deep and comprehensive knowledge of such a complex game as cricket?



LoL

Sixty-four Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Naxxar (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2011 21:02

I'll give you 2 to 1 on that ur right LoL smiling smiley

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: VictheFish (IP Logged)
Date: 20/10/2011 01:15

Bookies? Know a few of them out here. Not always right and always prepared to have a punt on a long shot that might gain some cash (points on a message board). They also take slightly fewer hits than successes - something similar to this website at times.

I really don't see any problems with the coaching structure. We're far in advance of 2006 after all - Jimmy Cook, Richard Ellison and JK seem as good as any on the county circuit, look at the Academy output and juniors. Unlike kissball there's no "technical area" so also no chance for someone to hurl advice / abuse from the boundary edge.

But them's the Laws.

It's what happens on the pitch that counts. You can only give players the ability to perform and a guide to how to start things, after that it's how they react to circumstances and how much they know their own game. If they choose to do just that then fine, if they don't it's mental - who looks after that side?

All we need is a shift from a perhaps a "valley people" mentality to "mountain people" (Frank Dick) but it's on the pitch, not in the Caddy Shack, where that counts.

We've done it at a higher level, now to carry it through at domestic levels too.

No doubt others have views too. I'm not suggesting for a minute that one way or another is the correct one ...

VtF.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Grizzzly (IP Logged)
Date: 20/10/2011 04:24

Possible poll question:

In the next five seasons, would you prefer SCCC to:

a) Compete in all formats, reaching the final/final round regularly, and come 2nd on five more occasions, but still never actually win any competition.

b) Win two one day competitions, but not the Championship.

c) Win the Championship, but nothing else.

My vote would be for (c),.................................

(but I think I would happily take (a), (b) or (c) !!

Grizzzly

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 20/10/2011 07:35

c) of course, Grizzzzz.
I should be perfectly content with a) or b), though.

Sorry to have such low standards!

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 20/10/2011 08:15

Set the poll up yourself Grizzzly.

"C" it is for me.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011:10:20:08:17:24 by Mike TA1.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: old boy! (IP Logged)
Date: 20/10/2011 08:28

(a) for me - lets have consistency above all else.
Although it would be wonderful to win the CC, I suspect the 'financial penalties' would kick in if we were beaten early in the other 'money spinning' competitions. Much as I regret saying it, without the one day competitions, for all counties there would be no CC in 5/10 years time - at least not one with paid players!!

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Naxxar (IP Logged)
Date: 20/10/2011 09:33

C definitely..then B...A is a no go

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 20/10/2011 12:09

I'll ask BJ for the odds before I place my bet.



LoL

Sixty-four Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Norwich SCCC (IP Logged)
Date: 20/10/2011 20:09

C all the way - it would surpass any trophy we have ever won.

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Bath Bob (IP Logged)
Date: 21/10/2011 12:45

B or C. Just win first and then A may be an option.

Congrats on a very good T20 campaign
Posted by: Hants Fan (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2011 16:04

Just wanted to say well done on a very good campaign. I watched most games and thought you performed very well.

Can come back with your heads held high and some good experience for next season and really it was all a bit of fun so I wouldn't be worried about not making the final, the domestic trophy's next season are the big prize and you should be well equipped to make a run at them again.

Really the Indian teams have a big advantage of, A - Being at home and, B - Having so many top oversea's players (I have to question whether they really do represent India unlike some of the SA, Aus and Somerset team where you got one or two oversea's players).

I thought too many teams, Like Cape Copra's, The 2 Aus teams were too seam heavy which might work in their countries but not in India. Somerset were quite balanced and had a 'decent' bowling attack but are mainly about batting and it would of been great if Tresco was there, although I know why he wasn't.

I thought Dibble bowled well, I didn't know of him but looked like he changed his bowling paces well.

What stood out in the Tourn. was the lack of good death bowling by ALL teams. In England I saw good death bowlers executing yorkers consistently. The main one was Junaid Khan for Lancs and from a Hants point of view Cork could hit yorkers almost every time from the last 2 overs he bowled.

Maybe yorkers were harder to bowl in India ? Although not sure why they would be.

Anyway, Well done and already looking forward to next season (Exc. the CB 40 which is an awful format and waste of time lol)

Re: Congrats on a very good T20 campaign
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2011 16:23

Thanks.

Re: Congrats on a very good T20 campaign
Posted by: Big Jim (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2011 16:43

Cheers Hants, very much appreciated.



Trego's too good for England

Re: Congrats on a very good T20 campaign
Posted by: SheptonPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2011 17:58

Thanks Hants fan. I believe the two games he played (Champions League last group game and semi-final!) were Dibble's first two T20 games ever? If that's correct, it's even more impressive.

Re: Congrats on a very good T20 campaign
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa. (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2011 15:06

Only just got to this one, Hants Fan. What a really nice and supportive message it is, clearly written by someone more concerned with the game itself than unduly partisan loyalty.



LoL

Sixty-four Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: Congrats on a very good T20 campaign
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 19/10/2011 16:03

Those are fine words yourself LoL - 'Indeed to goodness'

Re: Mumbai Murder?
Posted by: Sloop John B (IP Logged)
Date: 27/10/2011 10:12

Well said Hants! Agree with your comments. Esp about the lack of yorkers.

Our lad Gregory can bowl a mean yorker but was not fully fit.

Good luck for next season.

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Somerset Poll

As the predictions are appearing, where do you think Somerset will finish in the CC1 competition