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By Grockle et al
July 17 2016

A beautiful summer morning greets Somerset's visit to Trent Bridge.  A good forecast means we expect a full game with few if any weather interruptions and the chance for the team to put the disappointments of the Middlesex games behind them.  No Jamie Overton of course and Ryan Davies comes in for Alex Barrow.

 

 

v NOTINGHAMSHIRE CC1 @ Trent Bridge Sunday 17 July 2016

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With decent weather we expect a full four days here.  Last time I came to this fixture in 2014 it was all over for us by the end of the first day with conditions in the morning ensuring that we were bowled out for well under 200 and conditions in the afternoon allowing them to pass our first innings score for the loss of 3 wickets.  We dragged it kicking and screaming to the last day but that was about all that could be said for it.

Somerset need a win in this competition and the side they put out to try and do that today is;

Trescothick, Myburgh, Rogers, Hildreth, Allenby, Trego, Davies, Gregory, Overton C, Leach, Groenewald

The only unenforced change in that side from the one facing Middlesex last year is Ryan Davies. Jamie Overton will be out for a considerable amount of time so Lewis Gregory returns in his stead.  No Tom Abell again so his back problems must be a way from being sorted.  Craig Overton needs a good first half of this game to get over the end of the last one.  Notts won the toss and have elected to bat first.

DAY 1

Lewis Gregory opens from the Radcliffe Road end to Mullaney on a pitch so far over to the New Stand side that it looks like our kind of short boundary.  The strip is almost in line with the scoreboard it is so far to the right and the rope is some 10/15 meters in from the Fox Road stand.  A number of locals commented with surprise.  8 of the first with a boundary and 4 extras off the first...one was a no ball , missed the other.

Within 7 overs, Craig is on at the Radcliffe Road after Lewis has gone for a number including 3 no balls.  He bowls his first two as maidens so there has been some kind of conversation since last Wednesday one would assume.  It is 54 minutes before Libby runs a run and by the 15th Trego and Allenby are taking up the bowling requirements at both ends.  40 for 0 at 15 overs.

The first session becomes a session of pretty low scoring but mostly in boundaries while Somerset try everyone out finishing with Jack Leach who has not exactly kept the score down going for 27 off his 6 overs.  The frugal bowler has been Tim Groenewald with only 11 coming from his 8 overs and 4 of them being maidens.  Lewis has tried both ends and both Pete and Jim have given us a bit of medium pace bowling in tandem. 

At lunch it is 101 for 0 with Mullany going to his 50 off 89 balls with 10 fours and a six (I can't honestly remember that I have to say and you'd expect it to be quite an event in this morning of play). The hundred partnership came up in the 31st and llunch came an over later with no addition to the score.  Mullany has 53 and Libby has 41.  A slow 'ease' into this game....... It does not bode well for victory points unless something changes pretty drastically as no one looks significantly dangerous with the ball from our point of view.

I've very rarely watched a whole session without finding anything to write about but I have to say this was nearly the first.  Other than to tell you who openeind the bowling after lunch (Craig and Jack) and to tell you when things like when the 150 came up (79th over off 295 balls) and when bowling changes took place there was absolutely nothing to tell anyone until nearly Tea.

Then....finally Tim Groenewald got an edge from Libby and Jim Allenby very competently and gratefully took the catch and we had dismissed a notts batsman (for 90) at 196 for 1.  It has been like watching someone trying to plait fog watching our bowlers trying to get through the defences on this pudding of a pitch.  The 200 has just arrived off 62.2 bowlers.  There is little for the batsmen to work with and less for the bowlers in the air or off the surface, except for Tim who has bowled a tight lne and length it has been toil and nothing else for the rest of the attack, all of who (except Johann) have been used and none have been inspiring.

Mike Lumb has joined Mullaney at the crease just as the opening batsman moves to triple figures with a 6 off Jack.  He swings his fist in the air as he finishes the stroke.  105 off 171 balls with 16 fours and 2 sixes.... and that is Tea.  That innings about sums the day up.  The leading bagtsman has faced 171 balls, hit 18 of them for 76 and got mostly singles off another 20 odd.  No runs off the other 120 ish.

The 201 att Tea becomes 231 some 45 minutes later before anything of note happens.  Jack gets one to turn and rise against Lumb who is good enough to touch is and is caught behind for 10 231 for 2.  Jack and Tim have kept things in check for most of the afgternoon but with 22 overs to go they have done enough and Craig is back into the attack with a creditable first 10 going for only 27 and 4 maidens Meanwhile Jack is wheeling away at the scoreboard end with 88 from his 24 overs....though there is now a wicket in the column which looks a little better.  The 250 does not arrive during his delivery of the 76th which goes for only 2 to take the Notts score to 248.  It does however come from the first ball of Cove's 77th with a Mullaney four that takes his to 134.

The game goes into its last hour of the first day with little looking likely to change other than Mullaney will go to a studied and solid 150 .  Unfortuantely before that can happen Marcus drops him with the score on 259 at first slip off Leach.  "Dropped catches lose matches" I think the phrase is and we needed to see the back of this man on this day.  AQs it is he reaches his 150 off 252 balls with 22 fours and 2 sixes.  The next ball his partner Taylor (no not that one) has an Anthony Gibson 'rush of blood' and puts one straight down Cove's throat in front of the pavilion to go for 21.  This brings in Wessels and prompts the new ball in the 89th over.  It is given to Cove from the Radcliffe Road and to Tim from the scoreboard end.  Lewis is not a new ball bowler as a number of press people have mentioned this afternoon. I know we have resource issues but use the ones you have sensibly seems to be a lesson to learn.

The 300 duly arrives in the 92nd and the weary crowd start to move away as there seems to be no real hope of anything stunning happening before the end of play. I would love to report that the players start to look like they are going through the motions but I have to say that is the way it has looked most of the afternoon.  Unpalatable crickt on an unforgiving pitch - wonder it any Notts supporters pages have 'Trent Bridge is killing cricket' threads on their websites.

Today it has not only killed it, it's chopped it up, taken photos of it, put it under the floorboards of the house and then given itself up to the authorities screaming "I'm guilty, it was me what done it Guv!!'

Then, just when we think it is all over and we can pack up the kit for the night, Jim Allenby gets one to straighten to Rikki Wessels and gets him LBW.  A wicket he has slogged for all afternoon and never eve looked like getting comes his way and Nottts are 309 for 4.  They send in Fletcher as a nightwatchman and he'll face an over from Lewis. I have to say I would rather it was from Tim G but you can't have everything....

He nearly gets Fletcher C&B with the fourth ball of his over, a very creditable effort though it was always going away from his diving outstretched hand.  It ends at 96 overs with Mullany on 161 from 273 balls.....311 for 4.  Probably 3 wickets more than we expected and probably 50 runs light of where they would have liked to be.   A better second day has to happen if this is going to be a result game for anyone.  Notts will want us batting around Tea tomorrow and we'll want them out around Lunch.

We shall have to see in the morning. I have to say that on today's conditions the first of those is the most likely.

DAY 2

Dawns slightly overcast with high white broken cloud and the hope of something in the air that might give the bowlers a chance to get amog the Notts bowlers in the early part of Monday.  But the forecast is for hot and dry with the possibility of early evening humidity.  So Somerset need them out and to be well established before the last hour of the day.  ANY advantage of the morning conditions has to be exploited if this game is going to go anywhere near a winning result for us and not put us in the situation of looking to bat twice to get the Notts boys to go out again.

Nothing in the extended weather forecast should worry us.  It is expected to get hotter tomorrow.  The only worry would be the prediction of thunder storms this evening in some parts of the country but the East Midlands are on the edge of that boundary.  Moisture in this pitch tomorrow morning could be a concern for Matthew Maynard.

Trent Bridge is a favourite haunt of Chris Rogers with the bat for both his country and whichever county he has worked with in the past.  The Notts commentators are saying they expect every visit from Marcus to be the one where he takes them to the cleaners because he has never really shone with the bat here either for Somerset or England.  James Hildreth has had an enforced rest from the rigours of the game while the T20 has been on so he might want to stamp some authority on this to show his quality and importance to the squad. Pete is in form after the match last week so with luck we will show up for this one when we get the chance.

 As Craig starts the first over of the day from the Radcliffe predictions are that Fletcher the nightwatchman will survive until 11:15.  Based on yesterday's surface that might be on Tuesday morning!!  As Tim opens from the other end it does not look all that promising but I am being pessimistic as Mullaney is the first to depart caught behind to Craig with only 316 on the board in the 99th over for an excellent 165.  The ball is not spitting and doesn't seemt obe moving but something is different.  After the opening attack we turn to the medium pace of Allenby and the man does us proud with a questioning and very on the mark spell of bowling from the Radcliffe while Jack wheels in from the other and seems to be tying the batsmen down a little better.  Patel chooses 'option B' today and rather than being a pain in everyone's posterior, he holes out early off Craig at 336 for a mere 15 courtesy of the safe hands of Hildy. In comes Chris Read - no game against Notts is ever more than 'in the balance' while he is at the wicket and with the dogged defence of Fletcher at the other end they move towards that 400 run figure.

But Jim is not to be denied and he finally catches the bowler in front at the end of the 122nd over with the score on 377 for a very useful 32 and some 90 minutes after the predicted demise.  What is more Jack has Chris plumb in front with the very next ball at the start of the 123rd and it is 377 for 8.  So two new men at the crease (Tahir and Hutton) 400 not yet on the board 396) and LUNCH.

 

It could be an interesting afternoon session. Craig thinks so as he removes Hutton at 401 caught behind by one that lifts and then sedns Harry Gurney on his way in the same manner 2 balls later to register 4 for 54 off 25 overs and a welcomed return to attacking bowler form.  This was certainly a much better performance from him than the disappointing end to the Middlesex game. 

It was a good overall bowling performance, keeping their heads and being patient on a demanding wicket. Tim and Jim should be mentioned in dispatches both bowling over 20 overs at just about 2 an over.  Jack worked very hard and was rewarded with 3 wickets for his 36 overs.  Although Lewis was taken on by the Notts batsmen he kept to his task and held the line but Craig was certainly the pick of our men overall.

So..... is this going to now turn into a minefield that Imran Tahir is going to work his magic on?  Well it is time for Marcus and Johann to take their place and work their own special stuff. And they do.... Marcus is pretty much in charge from ball one. At times he simpy reminds the crowd and the bowlers that they are bowling to a mainstay of an England side that was something special itself.  His drives are just mindbending at times and other shots hit the boundary board before the crowd get their hands together.  Everyone goes the same way and really only Fletcher causes him any real problem with some very aggressive and questioning seam work.  At the other end Johann again shows what a valuable player he is for us at times.  He takes the lead role on more than one occasion and the quality of some of his cover drives is up with the best. His 50 comes first from 71 balls but he gets fooled by one of those Tahir deliveries and is bowled at 54 with the opening partnership amounting to 123 off 23.2 overs.  We are moving.

Chris Rogers comes in needing to stamp a captain's mark on this game for his side.  It hasn't been an easy CC1 campaign for the man, despite the fact that he is a better number 3 choice than Tom Cooper was he hasn't yet really got his game in gear yet.  If there is ever a time to do it it is now.  As Marcus goes past 50 off 60 balls the skipper gets into his groove a little more than usual and neither batsman really loooks in trouble except for a catch behind that the Notts believe is obvious (I was in the press box and heard nothing) but Marcus does not move and more importantly neither does the umpire's figure.  Fletcher is not impressed.

Tea comes and goes as Rogers moves to 50 and the Mighty 'Banger' moves towards an almost inevitable century.  It comes and equals Gimblett's record for county centuries   Many here, possibly remembering heady days in 2005 stand to the man they had almost forgotten as he does at Trent Bridge what he hasn't done before for either side he har represented.  Some on here may talk about the great Viv with almost Godlike reverence but I rate myself as extremely lucky to have spent some 20 years watching this man play this game for a side I support.  he really is a very special talent.

The hope of passing the follow on figure without losing another wicket is certainly there but 2 short of a deserved 50 the skipper snicks one from Gurney and Read pouches it.  Harry Gurney, who seems to have been in the doldrums for a while is certainly generating impressive pace in the last session of the second day.  But Rogers helped MT add another 101 for the second wicket and ensured tha Notts will 'probably' have to bat again.  During this period Marcus survives another 'certain' caught behind appeal from Fletcher and the whole Notts side.  This induces shouted comments from the supporters of the county of  Stuart Broad.  It is certainly not helped by the Somerset man then obviously snicking one that is put down by a flying slip fielder.  But on we go.  Did he hit either?  No idea but there was no body language fromt he big man that suggested he thought he had.  He certainly hit the third.

James Hildreth walks to the crease back in the format he is best suited to after a bit of a break from the regular cricket life because he was not used in many of the T20 games.  Unfortunately the break looks to have broken his concentration because from ball 1 he seems out of  synch with the game.  Lots of playing and missing, a four off an edge shows a level of uncertainty we haven't seen much from him this year.  Harry Gurney smalls 'blood in the water' and goes for James. Almost inevitably Hilda's spell at the crease is very short as he leaves a ball down legside and loses his leg stump at 5 and 234 for 3.

So with some 5 overs left in the day we are in a situation where we may negate all the hard work of the day and lose late wickets.  Jack Leach walks out as nightwatchman with the only function being to protect his centurion.  This he does very competently (he must be knackered) and Somerset finish on 244 for 3 wiith Marcus on 117 and Jack on 1.  Game on I do believe.

DAY 3

Trescothick and Leach stride out for the third day to face Tahir and Gurney on a beautiful morning.  Jack doesn't stay all that long as he tries to guide a googly from Imran away, gets a leading edge and is caught by Patel at midwicket.  Although he has helped his partner bring up the 250 and than pass the 'follow on' figure (is it still 150?) he wanders back into the hutch at 254 without increasing his own personal overnight score of 1.  Jim Allenby joins the big man.

Jim  looks to move it on a little while supporting his opening batsman and Marcus just continues with sublime straight drives and nuanced little nudges into gaps making the Notts fielders sprint to the boundary, sometimes winning and sometimes not.  He passes 150 and then his side pass 300 while Allenby provides excellent support moving on himself at a steady but not exactly electric pace.

Just before lunch Notts take the new ball and bring back Fletcher to use it from the scoreboard end.  Marcus seems slightly becalmed on 160 while it is Jim who pushes the score on a little moving towards what would be a well deserved 50

He does reach that and contributes that to a 100 run partnership  after which he is provided with a second (it might even be a third) life as he is dropped at first slip with his score on 51 and Somerset on 367.  Patel and Tahir are then given the job of bowling in tandem to keep the score down and winkle these batsmen out.  Patel succeeds in the 101st over when Jim tries to work a full ball away and plays all around it and gets castled for 63.  379 for 5 and in comes Peter Trego. He probably does not have any specific orders yet but he may get some if this goes past Tea with us very close to or over their first innings total. 

In the period just before the break however, Notts start to change the Somerset plans to some extent by becoming effective with the ball. The 400 arrives with Pete on 5 and MT on 188 but that is it for Trigger, which is a blow, as he is caught by the close fielder Taylor off Tahir in the very next over.  Any fireworks expected from that part of the batting is no longer an option.

Lewis arrives and stands at the other end while his partner puts us into a lead and works towards the magic 200 figure.  Unfortunately he does not stay long enough. Before the double ton Marcus has another partner as Lewis is caught plumb in front by a straight but faster delivery from the South African.  Out comes our last really recognised big batsman in the shape of Craig Overton.  He immediately makes himself popular with his team mate by calling him through for a very quick single.  Not what a nearly 40 year old who has spent 2 and a half days on the pitch and is on 199 wants really.  Nevertheless it does not take the shine off the double hundred that Trescothick gets with his 31st boundary to cover in the same over. 31 fours and 1 six in a truly majestic batting performance,.  He soon registers 1000 first class runs for the season by reaching 205 at 422.  Not a bad effort off 11 games I think AG said in his post on the forum.

But with Tea on the horizon the opener is fast running out of partners.  Craig Overton tries to go over the top of the ring off Tahir and doesn't get the ball over the substitute fielder Smith and we are 426 for 4.  Possibly a glimpse into Rogers'  thinking is that Ryan Davies comes in.  I would not expect the young man to have a good time against Tahir and maybe that is what the skipper has thought, he'll either go quick and I'll send Tim in to fire the guns OR he'll survive and we'll have a chat about what to do after Tea with Banger and the big hitting Groenewald

After the interval it all turns into a bit of a damp squib as the young keeper tries to drive a first ball off break through mid on and slices it to slip.  Then, while we are all investigating whether Marcus has ever carried his bat (he hasn't) he is caught by Taylor off Tahir for 218 and everything becomes immaterial.  That is the operner's sixth score of over 200 in his career, quite a way below the  284 top score but still massively significant for his county in this game.  He has been 200+ not out twice before but they were in declared innings and you do not 'carry your bat' unless it is a 10 wicket innings and you are the not out batsman at the ned after being one of the starting pair.

Somerset lead by 36 runs as they finish on 437 all out.  Imran Tahir finishes with 7 for 112 but his last 5 wickets came at the cost of 10 runs.

So at 4:20 on Day 3 Nottinghamshire return to the batting crease to face Craig from the Radcliffe Road End with 25 overs to be bowled this evening.  We would like some wickets down tonight.  I'm not sure we care how many as long as we have got into them.  It's 8 overs before we get anywhere but the second ball of the 8th sees Mullaney defending but not well enough and Craig has him LBW for 11.  Notts are 20 for 1.

Not long after that they are 21 for 2 as Michael Lumb has his middle stump uprooted by the blistering pace of...Jim Allenby who gets one through.  14 overs to go and two down before they go into the lead... this is getting interesting.

With no more clattering of stumps, Notts go back into the lead with 7 overs to go, we've tried a bit of Jack but seems to have settled into finishing Day 3 with Tim and Lewis.  His first over goes for 1 which is a serious improvement while Tim has bowled 3 for the cost of a mere 7 runs.  The Notts batsmen are seriously cautious and are most definitely playing for the end of the day.  No runs, no risks, no rash shots.

That is how it ends.  Anything straight is defended, anything not a problem is left alone, there are a couple of strangled appeals and pleas to the umpire but stumps are called at just gone 6 one over above those alloted with Notinghamshire on 58 for 2.  Taylor is on 22 and Libby is on 24.  A wicket each to Overton and Allenby have set us up for tomorrow and we are all going home with the prospect of thunder, lighting, hail stones, witches, frogs, baleful winds dogs and cats all coming our way in the next few hours.  Well it will make for an interesting evening... and an interseting day tomorrow if there is some overnight humidity.  It certainly doesn't look like it at the moment.

DAY 4

A 'whiter' morning this morning, very high cloud that the sun has not yet burned off.  Major humidity in Nottingham last night which many Somerset supporters will be hoping has stayed about for the morning.  The bowlers need help in the first hour to make this into a game with an outcome.  A quiet first session today will probably create the environment for nothing but the draw.  However if there is some movement and the Somerset bowling attack can use it, then the lunchtime situation may foster in a very interesting afternoon.  We probably need at least 6 wickets down by the lunch interval as a minimum.  It is highly unlikely that Notts will go for the batting total to push Somerset in the second half of the day. They are a mere 50 odd ahead and would have to make that 250+ before they would consider putting their visiting opponents in towards the Tea interval on this stretch of ground.

Somerset against Tahir on a breaking up pitch though?  That could also have a bit of interest in it.  There are a number of options for later on but it all depends on what happens between the hours of 11 this morning and 1 this afternoon.

As the grey cloud rolls back in over the New Stand Craig opens to Libby and the Somerset faithful are hopeful.  These have to be the best conditions for bowling in of this match and they come just when we could do with them.  All we really need to do is utilise them to put Notts 'under the cosh'.

The conditions have changed most definitely in our favour and although Notts start off solidly it is really difficult to get the ball away and progress towards a declarable total is numbingly slow.  At the same time all four bowlers used by Somerset are tight and on the money especially Craig Overton and Jim Allenby.  Ther are some truly unplayable deliveries heading at the Notts pair and it is inevitable that one will get it wrong.  It's Taylor who is first as he misses one that seems to swing into him from Jim and is given out LBW at 74 for 28.  Rikki Wessels is the next man in but he stays hardly any time and does not add to the score before he is on his way caught by Marcus at first slip off Craig 74 for 4.

Libby and Patel look to regroup but both bowlers have Samit in all kinds of trouble in his early overs.  However he survives so Craig turns his attention to Libby who he gives a torrid time to from the Radcliffe Road End.  Notts pass a 50 run lead at 86 for 4 but Libby finally succumbs as he is peppered outside off and then a full ball fires in which he tries to chop down on but chops onto his stumps and Overton sends him on his way for 44.  5 of the 6 wickets you would have wanted down by lunch are there.

Read comes in - the last man we want because of his stubborness to accept we can beat his county.  Samit tries to run him out first ball but fails to help us along - he isn't scoring any and has been on 5 for what seems to be forever.  The score is not moving towards 100 very quickly and we bring back Lewis to give Craig a breather.  Chris thinks he has him and hooks him into the New Stand for 6 but as he turns he smacks his wicket and is out hit wicket at 98 for 6.  In comes Fletcher ahead of Hutton (who has a slight hand injury but will bat if needed).  But he doesn't last long as he plays down the wrong line and loses his off stump to Gregory and Notts are 98 for 7.  The 100 comes up with the last over before lunch and once again Notts have re-organised the Somerset battle plan just before a sessions ends.

Now we would like to see the back of Patel particularly and his two companions (Tahir and the injured Hutton) before the home side get to 3 figures and give the South African spinner a chance to use the conditions to his advantage while we look to get a three figure winning total.

It is with us but the momentum of this game has ground to a halt and then switched sides more than once in the last three and a bit days so there is still some more to come perhaps.  But one has to say Somerset 'should' be able to put this one away from here and if they can't?  Well they are going to have few better chances to win a game than the present position.

But it has happened before.

After the lunch break, the sun appears once more and the weather does its best to keep us guessing.  With the sky now blue again and the grey skies banished to beyond the boundaries this game takes anotehr turn.  Samit Patel turns from the 'rabbit in the headlights' version of just 40 minutes before into the six hitting swashbuckling cricketer he has been know to be.  The ball starts to do nothing except beat Somerset fielders to the rope and the numbers start to rachet towards a 100 lead.  Meanwhile Tahir stays away fromt he ball and the striker's end wherever possible.  It gets to the point where we introduce Jack Leach because there is little happening and now we need the wickets and to restrict the score as well.  Tahir finally gets on strike and steps back to a Leach delivery that keeps on following him, passes him and take out his stumps for 7 at 135 for 8.  Hutton does not take the number 10 spot and so Gurney strides out up the order instead.  Rogers re-introduces Lewis at the Radcliffe Road End to show Patel a bit of pace.  Patel takes the bait n ball one and fires it towards the New Stand, a shot that would have given him six everywhere except where James Hildreth is fielding.  He catches the ball, Hutton does not appear to bat and we have dismissed the home side for 135 leaving us with a 100 run target to win this one.

Gurney and Fletcher are tasked with opening the Notts attack on our second innings.  The same opening partnership is offered for them to have a go at.  This is threfore a question of can they get through our top 5 with seam, Patel and Tahir before we can break the back of this total rather than leaving it to our back of middle order of  Trego, Davies, Overton and Gregory.

Another session another conundrum.

By the fourth over Fletcher from the Scoreboard and Gurney from the Radcliffe have made little headway against Marcus and Johann.  They have 22 and nothing is really looking exceiting for the Notts boys.  So Read has to move.  He puts Mullaney on at the Scoreboard in the hope that he can do an Allenby with his medium pacers and block up the end.  Marcus decides that isn't going to happen and dispatches him 3 times to the Upper Fox Road corner of the ground.  Fletcher changes ends to the Radcliffe and exerts the same level of control from that end.  Then Read plays his ulltimate card as he brings tahir on from the Scoreboard with a ball with the shine still on it.  He has not other option really.

Johann Myburgh has the job of taking the spinner on, though Somerset really don't need to unless the weather starts to close in.  Nevertheless the Someset number 2 puts the first ball to the New Stand boundary and follows it with the third.  He is definitely flumoxxed by the 5th and the honours end about even but there are 47 runs on the board so ahir has to win or the game is over.

The 50 comes up off the 8th bowled by Fletcher and Somerset have 63 by the end of Tahir's second.  After that the men from the West Country start to go to town, especially Johann who takes Tahir for 3 sixes in 5 balls in the 13th.  Read pulls Samit Patel in at the other end but it's too late really.  By the 14th they need 11 with Marcus (37)playing second fiddle to his partner Johann (47) who has hit Imran Tahir out of the attack and forced the return of Mullaney.  The thing to play for now is a Myburgh unbeaten 50 which is so well deserved. Needing one at the start of the 17th he takes ttwo off the first ball and goes to 50 off 51 with 6 fours and 3 sixes - anyone want the selection job of the first 5 for Durham with Tom Abell back in the seconds?

By the middle of the Mullaney over they need 1 run and they finish it off in the 17th to win by 10 wickets!!  Just a thorough professional job.  No panic, concentration on the job at hand and a very very good overall victory based on just sticking to the job and doing it very well.

 

 

 

 

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Grockles.com (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 10:45
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Gordian Notts v Somerset
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
16/07/2016 14:40
The county championship match starting at Trent Bridge tomorrow will be live streamed - with synchronized BBC commentary - via the Trent Bridge website.



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Re: Gordian Notts v Somerset
AGod (IP Logged)
16/07/2016 15:05
Yes, I watched last year's win on that service. It's good. Might have to toggle between that and the Test tomorrow.

 
Re: Gordian Notts v Somerset
wsm fan (IP Logged)
16/07/2016 23:54
Very good, but can't beat 3 days live!

I look forward to some very well balances and informed comments tomorrow as with a live feed we can all comment having seen the action not a scorecard and the opinion of a commentator.....

Forecast looks a cracker too, shame they have an international leggie (but they'll have to deal with our own Mr Leach if they do provide us with a Bunsen.

Here is to a good day 1 and 5 pages of praise.....

 
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Scrumper (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 01:21
I can sense another Banger ton.



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sandhills (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 08:52
It would be good if some posters kept there thoughts to themselves if they have nothing positive to say. Hampshire day 1 hardly a post!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
Re: Gordian Notts v Somerset
AGod (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 09:22
I suspect the final day will be hit by thunderstorms.

Tuesday is forecast to be outlandishly hot for Nottingham - 31 degrees - but then cooler air will move in and the mix causes storms.

Tracks at Trent Bridge seem to have been very flat of late. So it seems most unlikely, to me, that either team will have the seam attack to cause too many problems.

A couple of days of batsmen filling their boots and then, especially if Notts bat first it will be about whether we can cope with the wrist spin of Tahir, I'd imagine.

 
Re: Gordian Notts v Somerset
Grockle (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 10:22
Well it's a beautiful start. Like the headline Bagpuss...saved me the problem again. The side on the scorecard is

Trescothick, Myburgh, Rogers, Hildreth, Allenby, Trego...then it gets questionable

Overton C, Barrow, Gregory, Leach, Groenewald.

Josh Davey is also here.... not sure about the 'Meerkat'

Craig is here, ttravelling yesterday and got conflicting stories about him and the Lions.



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Re: Gordian Notts v Somerset
Grockle (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 10:28
Funnily enough Scrumper the BBC commentator here agrees with you about Banger because this is a ground he has never really got a score on for either England or Somerset it seems. He is also not happy to see Chris Rogers here because he usually makes hay at Trent Bride in both county and country colours.... so 4 golden ducks then!!!



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Re: Gordian Notts v Somerset
AGod (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 10:49
Trent Bridge often swings or seams around early on hence Marcus, with no foot movement vulnerable. But I assume seam/swing will be limited today.

I think Hildreth has a good record here. Certainly I've seen him make a ton At TB. But I think Suppiah And Compton were The SCCC batsmen with The best record here (for us).

I seem to remember that Peter Trego made lots in a frustrating defeat two years ago.

Even Jim Allenby, who has suddenly found some form got important runs in a win on a tricky track here last year.

If we have to bowl first, I'll consider anything South of 350 for 5 At day's end to be a relief.

Equally If we bat first And come up short of a 350-5 sort of day, I will fear an eventual first-innings deficit later in The match.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 10:55
We are not batting first. Rogers agreed to a toss Notts won it and took that option. Ryan Davies in for Alex Barrow.

Very short boundary on the Scoreboard side of the ground the pitch is almost out of the window of the press box it's in a line with the opposition dressing room at the Pavilion End with the sight screen lashed between the pavilion and the scoreboard tower.



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 10:57
In fact they were saying the other day that Marcus said that he found Test cricket easier than County because the things that bowlers tend to have more of at Test level - pace, bounce, spin are things he does well against but the tracks tend to be flatter so less seam movement and then away Tests often less swing.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 11:06
Come on LG two no balls in your first over is not good enough.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 11:09
The rotation policy risks creating rustiness in the one who rests. Still, should do better.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 11:14
I am watching the live stream [live.trentbridge.co.uk] it is a bit behind the on-line com.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 11:58
Peter Trego only four CC wickets this season, now is the time for improvement.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 12:00
Frankly, I'd rather see Jack bowling already. Many openers are not great vs spin.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 12:03
Very decent first two from Craig after Lewis was removed after 7 with his third no ball. Someone here said Libby did not run his first run in anger until we were 54 minutes in.

Medium pace at both ends now.



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 12:54
Said before the start that anything South of 350-5, if bowling first, would be a relief.

I think I would take anything south of about 380-5 right now.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 12:59
Jack is on at the Scoreboard End but the man bowling the tightest line is Tim G who has bowled 8 overs for 11. In comparison, Jack is just finishing his 6th for 27.

Lunch at 101 for 0



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 13:05
Jack's first over went for 15 so he bowled the next 5 for 12.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 13:14
Most of the runs in this game have come in boundaries, there isn't a lot of changing ones into twos or taking on the fielder's arm?



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 15:16
It is rare that I have nothing to say in a session of cricket but

N O T H I N G

Is happening at Trent Bridge at all. Bowlers are coming in to bowl the ball is coming off the bat, sometimes well sometimes not so well. The fielders are fielding the score is moving up at about 3 runs an over and that is it I'm afraid people....

Mind numbing is being too kind to it. No life in the pitch, nothing moving in the air, no chances, no devastating strokes by the Notts batsmen. No invention on either side to be honest....seems to be the thing of the day because this one doesn't seem to be the highest first wicket stand of the day..... Burns and Sibley anyone?



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 15:25
Looks like a minimal bowling bonus points day to go on top of minimal batting points vs Middx.

Have given up toggling with the Test match as our game is like watching paint dry.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 15:33
FINALLY!!

The best bowler by a country mile gets a wicket 196 for 1



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 17:04
What is the sense in having a slip and you don't catch the ball when it comes your way.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 17:06
Banger drops Mulaney at 259 of Craig at first slip easyish it seems. Mulaney on 140..... story of the season really dropped catches at certain times.



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 17:08
It look like the ball went straight to Marcus no diving needed.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 17:09
Because Mike if you don't have a slip the batsmen keeps putting runs through that position all afternoon unless your wicketkeeper has arms 8 feet long.

But I know what you mean.... I'm told it didn't look that difficult on the instant replay.



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 17:11
What's the point of taking the new ball if we are only going to post a single slip?

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 17:16
We haven't taken the new ball!!

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 17:20
My thought is we will take the ball with less overs to go today so it is newish in the morning.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 17:26
So why waste the new ball bowlers with the old one?

Watching the Test so only have the pics from TB

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 17:32
Desultory dross from LG by the looks. Poor.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 17:40
Now Davies has let four byes though his hands, it may have been an difficult bounce in front of him but it should have been stopped.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 17:44
It should have been.

Finally a bowling bonus point. Jack gets BT off what looked like one hoicked miles up into the air.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 17:49
AG, new ball taken.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 17:55
Thanks.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 17:57
I like to balance out my commence and say that was a good stop by Davies down the leg side from the bowling of Craig Overton.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 18:09
Well done Jim Allenby.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 18:10
Allenby who has been plugging away all afternoon gets one to straighten a little and gets Wessels. He deserved that but I never thought he'd get it.



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 18:18
Well I guess we kept a lid on things in the end.

Only one bowling point and will have to go some to get three.

Unless the track suddenly deteriorates I would like to think we could get 400 on that deck even vs Tahir... The question is can we get them out for not much more than 400 from here?

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 18:21
Considering how the day has gone some of the bowler figures are quite good, Groenewald, Allenby and Overton to name three.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 18:38
It's one of those 'nothing for anyone' pitches. It's not really coming on to the bat, there's no real variation in bounce (except the one that Jack got to spit a bit), there's nothing in the air and nothing off the pitch.

Except for possibly Lewis (who was bowling 'out of position' to be fair) the bowling figures are decent. Tim bowled well all day. Jack had a bit of a glitch at first and probably went for more than we expect but there was certainly nothing here that said 'may spin later' except one ball. Tahir is not quite the norm but we shouldn't fear him on this.

Jim Allenby bowled tightly, as he has for a few matches now.... think there may have been a full and frank discussion with some. Craig bowled very tightly at the start and kept that up to a great extent during the game. Trigger supported. No use of Johann but that may come later if there is any breakup.

Ryan did let one through his legs but he did also take a couple of blinders down the leg. Credit to them all for keeping their concentration though we really could have done with the slip drop of Mullaney.

But tomorrow's another day. See you all in the morning.



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 18:45
How was LG bowling 'out of position"?

He takes the new ball in the vast majority of matches that he plays for Somerset.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 19:04
A "little bit," in it for Jack according to Mr Maynard.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Botham (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 19:14
Let's hope the don't change the wicket before we bat

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 19:28
Quote:
AGod
Looks like a minimal bowling bonus points day to go on top of minimal batting points vs Middx.
Have given up toggling with the Test match as our game is like watching paint dry.

And yet last week you weren't happy with a track that offered assistance for the first day and a half, or a sporting declaration by Rogers.

Can't have it both ways, AGod.

Consistency please.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 19:39
Chunky, I'm sure there'll be a reason why you can have both. :-)

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 19:41
No, Chunky.

I would have been more than happy to have produced a 'sporting track,' if there was a toss. I simply had no desire to produce one given the certainty that we would have to bat first on it.

I am NOT opposed to lively tracks, per se. I'm opposed to producing a green top when you know, for certain, that you will have to bat first on it AND where you know that there is a probability that the opposition will have the advantage of batting last on a track that is liable to get flatter and flatter.

I would have been very happy had Notts produced a nice sporting green-top for us to bowl first on today! Sadly,they weren't that daft.



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
wsm fan (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 21:40
A lovely day in the sun.

Toss was crucial. I saw more life on the M42 on way up than that track.

45 yard boundary 1 side makes a very odd looking ground

Cant fault us too much. Craig Tim Jim were excellent. Pitch just doing nothing.
Lewis&Pete a little exoensive but few clips to shirt boundary & edges to 3rd man so not as bad as may look.

Given pitch weather and foundation laid we were superb keeping them to 311. It could easily have been a 370-390 day.

Set to be a scorcher tomorrow. Wrap this up for 400-420 then set the top 4 on them.....

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
17/07/2016 21:50
My impression is that it's been flat most of The season. They started off last year with green result tracks, got thrashed by us And one or two others And I think that prompted a re-think.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 08:36
Ref Lewis AG. Just because a bowler bowls in a certain position does not automatically mean that is the position he should be bowling in. I've never seen Lewis as a new ball bowler in CC matches so to me he us 'out of position' and should be used in a different way.



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 09:31
Thanks for the clarification.

I believe that we have used him with the new ball, both under DN and under MM, because he is seen as the man most likely to swing the ball at pace.

TG bowls the length of a swing bowler, but at a lesser pace.

Overtons prefer a shorter length.

Effectively, I see LG as now filling the red-ball role which - at times - used to be filled by Alfonso.

I cannot say I honestly thought that there would be much swing about yesterday. Perhaps, when it is thought very unlikely that the ball would swing LG should, indeed, not be given the new ball as he is prone to being expensive - if you bowl very full and the ball does not swing, you will tend to go around the park.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 09:53
Was hoping for the cloud cover at 7:30 to stay a little longer having been here a couple of years ago and seeing how conditions can affect this place. BUT it's already gone. High white cloud about the place but it looks like a long hot day of dry conditions. Doesn't bode well for a clatter of wickets in the first hour or so I'm afraid

June 24th 2014 was probably the last time this place saw swing of any magnitude!! Might have to bore the blighters out. Unless this cloud builds up for a while, if it does we really do have to make the most of the first hour because it may be all we get.



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 10:56
Yeah, what worries me a little is that this country is usually incapable of maintaining warm and dry conditions for more than a day or two at a time. There's usually some cooler air on the way and when it mixes with the warm air you get thunderstorms and, before thunderstorms, a lot of humidity.

We really do need it to stay clear and sunny on Tuesday (assuming that we will be batting for most of that day).

The last forecast I saw for Tuesday said it would be 31 degrees tomorrow.. if it's clear then that would give us the chance to gently roast the Notts' bowlers and fielders in the heat. But if it gets humid and thundery, then swing will be back in play.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 11:27
We couldn't have asked for a better start.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 11:28
Wow, great start, well done Cove.

You'd have got long odds against two early wickets, neither of whom being Luke Fletcher.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 12:02
That's the game of cricket for you, great innit

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 12:23
But Fletcher going on and on suggesting that it's all still loaded in favour of the bat.

At least we chiselled out a second bowling bonus point.

If we can get four or five batting bonus points and achieve something like parity on first innings then the match would be likely to be drawn and we would achieve a reasonable points output - one that could not, mathematically, be lower than the total that Notts would emerge from this match with. That would keep them behind us with us, obviously, retaining our game in hand.

If we can achieve the above, then the question is whether there will be a winner in the match between Surrey and Hants

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 13:43
Jim Allenby the pick of the bowlers this morning. Deserved his wicket. Just need to winkle out the tail rather than let them get away on this.... not sure what the difference has been, there doesn't seem to be much in this for any bowler.



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 13:44
400 up just after lunch Tahir 15 Hutton 8



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 13:51
Some bounce for Cove and Harry Gurney is in at 401 for 9 as Hutton departs and Craig has 3 for 54 and then 4 for 54 as he gets Gurney with another riser.

We would have taken that last night.

Well done CO for cleaning up the tail. They reckon it's 50 odd short of where they would have liked to be. I think it is exactly where we would have wanted to be at stumps yesterday but we now need to do something with it.



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 14:38
I just thought I'd point out that Chris Read has already let through 3 more byes than Ryan Davies did.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
rodders (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 14:44
Very good effort from where they / we were - just fear this match has draw written all over it really !

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 14:47
Wonder if our strategy is the same as England's was vs Pakistan?

i.e. try to get on with it before the wrist-spinner comes on..

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 14:50
I'd suggest that we should always be sceptical of using bye totals as a proxy for how well a 'keeper has or has not kept.

The reason I say this is that 90% of umpires are, IMO, hugely unfair to wicket-keepers and tend to deem as "byes," deliveries that are - for example - really wide and which then swing wider after they have passed the bat.

I saw the Davies four byes, and they looked poor on his part (ball was not wide at all).

I haven't seen the Notts ones so will wait to hear what they were like.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 15:17
Just switched the live coverage on. Marcus T looks like he is having a net out there, with effortless boundaries. MM said it wasn't coming on to the bat as they thought it would yesterday.. wonder if the pitch has firmed up under the sun and is now coming onto the bat more? Looks effortless at the moment.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 15:22
Looks like NOtts have had a moan about the ball and succeeded in getting it changed.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Following on (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 15:22
Awesome effort to dismiss Notts on that wicket! Shame we cannot ignore the 196 run opening stand, given that we took 205-10 after that.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 15:36
Tahir finally on... and treated with contempt by Mybs - great stuff.

At this rate, it's a shame that will be a tea interval to break things up.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 16:50
Tahir withdrawn, for now, which must count as a major victory.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 17:06
Before tea the umpire the camera end was very concerned about Tahir follow-through on the pitch.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Bobstan (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 17:18
Halfway to the Notts total.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Scrumper (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 17:19
Good lad, Banger (Sm13)

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 17:45
Marcus draws level with Harold Gimblett at the top of the table with 49 first-class hundreds for Somerset

Meanwhile Chris Rogers passes a milestone of his own - 25,000 first-class runs.

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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 18:02
Hildreth didn't look like he was going to last very long.

Leaving the ball alone is a bad way of getting out.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
rodders (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 18:41
Which is why he will never play a test match !!

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Bobstan (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 18:49
For the first time I can see why some counties reckon James is vulnerable to really hostile fast bowling - not just the short-pitched stuff. Gurney really did give him a good working over.

I am usually against bringing in a night-watchman, but when you've got Leach maybe it's not such a bad idea.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 19:06
Really, was that what happened?

I've seen Gurney bowl short stuff at JH before and just get carted as a result. Maybe the imminent close affected his approach to it (didn't want to essay his shots?) Gurney looked completely innocuous earlier in the day.

The night-watchman is usually the next batsman's call, so one can assume that Hildreth was prepared to come out and face the music, and Allenby presumably was not.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 19:11
But it would be a particularly big blow to Hildreth if he is perceived - today - to have played the quick poorly, given that (England selector) Mick Newell will, presumably, have been watching.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
wsm fan (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 19:12
What a fantastic day in the sun!

i trust all the craig bashers from 5 days ago will.praise him today. Superb yesterday & today and very well deserved 4 cheap wickets.

Batting wise Myburgh & Rogers both excellent.
3rd time in a row ct nicked down leg side, i hate that, no praise for bowler, just rotten luck.

As for Tresco what can we say. The man is a Somerset run making machine.
An absolute pleasure to watch, chanceless knock & topped off by seeing it to the close.

350 by lunch 480 by tea then reassess....

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 19:14
Three times in a row implies something more than just bad luck, IMO, particularly when one thinks that CR has hardly been out there for hours and hours piling up great scores i..e if you bat for long enough then you have to eventually be out somehow.... but he's only made about 100 or so runs across the three innings concerned.

I'd guess that the batting coach would be wanting to have a look at whether some minor flaw may have crept in (such as falling over a bit as he looks to work the ball to leg).



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 19:44
An excellent day for our team - great work from Cove and Tres, good contributions from CR and JM. Obviously the important thing today was to find good reason to moan about our young keeper, our top middle order batsman and how the skipper got out. Glad there was plenty of cloud to obscure the 6-90 and 244-3. ๐Ÿ˜

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 20:04
It's called an analysis, not "moaning."

I did not even see the Hildreth business, just going on what was posted. I also don't even care whether he gets picked for England or not, so have no reason to 'moan,' about it.

I think it's perfectly reasonable to suggest that if a batsman is out caught down the leg-side on a regular basis, there may be something technical at the root of it, rather than just bad luck.



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
wsm fan (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 20:39
I really cant agree.
I appreciate looking for fault is the main purpose of this site but it is just bad luck, simple.

It is just rubbish leg side bowling. As a batter you get a bat on 95% & they go for 4 & we bemoan awful delivery.

Yes he could leave every legside ball alone but id guess a good 20+% of his 25000 runs have come down there so not a shot to put away.

My last comment on the matter anyway.
I cant be drawn into such debate after such a fantastic day.

500 tomorrow then 2 or 3 wkts!!!

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 20:55
James simply looked out of nick. Gurney wasn't working him over. He was just not connecting with tbings. Maybe its what happens when you haven't picked a bat up in anger for some days or you just haven't had consistent play for a while. That's it really. He just didn't get in and misjudged one.



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 21:31
I have wastched a lot of James over the years, I sense he has become very nervous for the first half an hour or so of his innings But once he gets in the confidence flows.

I also feel that was partially the reason why he was ommitted from the T20 team.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 21:51
I am somewhat bemused by some opinions that James Hildreth is still on the England selectors' radar for a Test spot, despite (a) the number of CC runs that he has accumulated this season, and (b) the fragility of England's middle order.

I feel that his chance of selection has passed him by. A few years ago, he would have been very much in the selectors' minds, but I think not now.

We are all Somerset supporters, and it is always difficult to be fully objective about one of our own players, but is he really one of the next cabs off the rank?

Recently, someone at the club decided that he would not be a part of our T 20 side. That I consider was, with our present resources, wrong and perhaps James is not currently in the right frame of mind in the CC.

I hope that he comes back โ€˜big timeโ€™ soon.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 22:01
Certainly a thought, Roger.

If management think he tends to be a bit skittish, early doors, then that would indeed be a good reason to omit somebody from the T20.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Bobstan (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 22:07
I stand by my Hildreth comments. Gurney softened him up, not with short pitched deliveries but with hostile bowling directed at the body.

Don't know how much was nervousness on the batsman's part and how much was well directed bowling.

I'm beginning to think that that Trescothick fellow is developing into quite a useful batsman.

Nice to hear that Cove put in a controlled display of bowling; I didn't see any of that.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 22:11
So, what prospects for tomorrow?

If Banger can stay in, then there must be at least some chance of batting well past them and then attempting to exert some final day pressure?

If he stays in for any length of time we should certainly acquire at least four batting bonus points and probably all five.

From their point of view, I guess they will be thinking that if they can get Marcus early then they are into an admittedly in form Pete but then, possibly, not that much else based on recent form (Cove not in batting form at all, LG not many knocks lately).

Allenby might be the wild-card with two scores last CC match, plus a good score in the most recent T20 - might he finally be ready to string a few CC knocks together? They'll harbour hopes, one assumes, of get Marcus early and then maybe take 6 others for 75-100 or so and thus gain a lead of 50-75 runs. But, even in their best case scenario, unless the collapse happens quickly, one would doubt that they would have time to bat again, declare and then win the game anyway.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 22:19
I didn't see all of it, by any means, but Tresco looked effortless.

IN some ways it's quite disconcerting seeing the ball being hit but then having to guess what will happen to it after it leaves the screen but in his case you can usually tell form his body language what will happen to it and, today, the answer to that seemed to be that the umpire would signal a boundary in short order.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 23:08
At last I have a chance to comment on today's play.

Marcus was at his best today, and congratulation on equalling Harold Gimblett's first class hundreds.

Johann Myburgh was entertaining to watch with his 54, it included 11 4's.

The captain batted well today a pity he was out that way, I always say an average player will miss the ball but a good player will hit it when it's down the leg side.

James Hildreth did look like he hadn't played for a while.

Jack Leach play like a good night watchman without any trouble.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
wsm fan (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 23:10
Quite reasonable on a good pitch and scorching day about 360 runs.
As such it should be one if following good or not so good scenarios....

Som 360ao. Notts 240-?
Som 400ao. Notts 200-?
Som 440ao. Notts 160-?
Som 480ao. Notts 120-?
Som 520-? Notts 80-?
Som 560-? Notts 40-?

I favour option 5 or 6!?

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 23:19
And on the rotation policy, that may work with some players and not with others.

Andy Caddick was one bowler where it wouldn't have worked, he need to keep bowling to be at his best, I am beginning to wonder if that can't also be said for Lewis Gregory, giving him a break doesn't seem to do him any favours.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 23:24
On balance, I think parity on first innings probably the most likely scenario. Let's say we get another 150 from 45 overs.

That would leave Notts 49 overs to bat tomorrow. Maybe they'd get 170 or so in that time.

That would not put them in a strong enough position to press for victory on the final day unless the track suddenly falls apart or humidity causes the ball to swing round corners.

Unless something goes drastically wrong I think we are the only side with a serious chance to press for a win. That would involve Marcus staying in for a further 50-60 overs and the team adding another 350 in 80 overs or so, giving us a 200 run lead with 14 overs to bowl at Notts tomorrow evening. That's a best case scenario for us and far less likely than a parity scenario but I think it's a more likely scenario than us losing from a position of first-innings parity.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
18/07/2016 23:25
Agree with Mike re:rotation.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Scrumper (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 01:41
Get to 700 and declare at tea. We're going to win this one.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Botham (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 07:39
Well doe Tres.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
wsm fan (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 07:43
7.30am at Notts and it is hot, proper hot!

This is most definitely a batting day!
If Tres gets going we really wont be far away at lunch. If we can get Fletcher Gurney Hutton into 2nd and 3rd spells we can cash in later in the day.

Rumoured to be hitting 30c today, Marcus going to need a few towels for the glasses today.....

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 09:22
20 degrees at 9am and very wispy high white cloud in a predominantly blue sky. The Somerset guys are out in the nets including Marcus in full batting regalia.

I was away from the keyboard for a lot of yesterday but enjoyed the sight of two Somerset opening batsmen in full flow. Marcus was, at times, imperious. I've said he has looked 5 to 10 years younger in his stature at the crease at times this season but there were shots yesterday that were just dismissive.

Johann Myburgh was at times his equal in terms of the quality of his shots...I could have watched him for a little longer. Chris Rogers showed class at times but is still scratching around a bit for me. His 48 was very useful though. James looked totally out of sorts. At one point Marcus went down to have a chat but he simply did not have the length of the pitch, missed more than he hit and was just a wicket waiting to happen. I've rarely seen him so out of kilter.

Jack came in and did what was required and possibly played one of his one of his more vital roles because Gurney's tail was up and we didn't want to go in 4 down.

Good batting day for Somerset....need another 2 thirds of one today and then into them.



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 09:35
I think I have to agree with you CP ref Hildreth's England chances.

As I posted a while ago there is a thought (a myth in my own opinion) that James is troubled by the fast ball among the people who visit Taunton from further afield. But I also believe that JH's chances came about 2010 when the England setup did not know where to put Root and James was at his most consistent. His captaincy of the A side and the comments being made by the likes of Boycott suggested that at that time he was being seriously considered and some of us were hoping for a winter call. They seemed to be thinking about the English summer but by that time James had shown that inconsistency that has dogged him throughout his career. Season of good scores, season of small ones with a couple of big ones and so on. So the 'Eye of Sauron' moved on to others.

He has been consistent now for two seasons - I think it started to solidify in late 2014 but I believe you are right that the moment has gone.

To me if that is the case he will still be the best English batsman I have seen not to play for England. I personally think he is better than Lathwell was from the period of time I saw him and some of his innings have been the ones I feel I have been privileged to be there to see. At his best... well its been said many times. But unfortunately that may very well be his legacy...

As Mike said though. Yesterday he was just rusty early on.... Gurney probably smelled blood in the water but I really don't think he had to do anything special to 'set him up'. Just a bad Hildreth day at the office I'm afraid.



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 10:42
An observation from the last few days.

Apologies to those who have theories of tensions in the dressing room. Unless the squad as a whole are very good at acting when there is no audience to hide the real situation, the look of the players and the coaches while they are prepping for each day gives the impression that they are all getting on fine and are involved in a positive way.

This morning they were playing foot volleyball. One has to say it seems like a game with much less likelihood of contact injuries. They are all quite good at it as well - some very impressive long rallies (?)



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 11:26
Gurney and Tahir have something about them this morning. Jack goes early to a Tahir googly and we could do with some spirited fight from Jim Allenby today.



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 11:28
Yep, Grockle, the 2011 season was JH's big chance and he blew it, I'm afraid.

I think he did okay again in 2012, but then had a pair of indifferent seasons under the Nosworthy regime.

So after a magnificent season in 2010, I think he then only posted one strong season out of the next four after that.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 11:30
Allenby would do well to stop trying to turn Imran T through the onside. There's clearly some turn there and, when that's the case, and the line is leg and middle then unless the ball is very over-pitched or very short, one MUST look to play with the spin, IMO.



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 12:15
New ball imminent, one assumes.

It does not seem entirely straight-forward this morning and there looks an element of stale-mate about proceedings.

If the new ball heralds a more attacking field then that may break the stale-mate.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 12:19
Not bothering with the new ball?

If not going to bother it, why on earth bowl Samit instead of Imran T!?

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Bobstan (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 12:23
Having watched, with the utmost pleasure, James batting at Lord's, The Oval, Chelmsford, Colchester, Northampton, Leicester, Edgbaston and maybe one or two other places plus of course Taunton, I have never before yesterday seen anything to make me think that he has any particular weakness against quick bowling.

The ball before his dismissal the commentator remarked that Gurney was giving Hildreth a real going over.

Bringing up the Lathwell discussion again is mischievous, young Grockle!

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 12:24
Poor old Hutton has looked very much a CC2 calibre bowler to me.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 12:31
90 needed from 26 for full batting bonus points which should probably be our main target.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 12:34
Dare I say it, but it's starting to look as though Mr Jim Allenby esq might be finding his feet at this level. I cannot say that I ever thought it was going to happen, but it is starting to look as though it may be.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 12:39
To be fair to Samit he seems to be commanding respect, plus an undignified tumble on the part of our erstwhile leader.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 12:50
New ball looking totally innocuous in first couple of overs.

If these two can get to lunch and then re-establish for 30 mins afterwards then we could be set up for a huge score.

Situation would seem ideal for the likes of PT, Cove and LG. Even Davies, maybe, who managed to score in a similar situation vs Hants.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 12:58
And THERE was the perfect example of what I was saying to GM yesterday re: the byes count.

An absolutely ridiculous "4 byes," have just been attributed to Read, courtesy of an atrocious ball from Gurney which gave him not the slightest chance.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 13:02
Yep...you'd like to see these two rub it in during the 27C heat. Push it past their total and then send the guns in for a bit of a spell. Storms predicted tonight so tomorrow might be interesting. May be shortened by rain tomorrow afternoon 60% chance.

Lunch 346 for 4

Marcus 162
Jim 46



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 13:04
Well played, Tres and Allenby.

Good session.

Get to 400 for the full five bonus points and then we can decide between either trying to score as quickly as possible thereafter, or whether the better tactic would be to keep Notts out there until 30 minutes from the close in the furnace-like conditions.

It's probably going to be hard to take enough wickets to put them under pressure anyway, but if they're exhausted from a long stint in the field, then I guess one never knows..

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 13:23
Yes that's the spirit. let's get them to the point where we can decide how to win the game but not actually win it because that isn't going to happen....you'd be wonderful in the dressing room getting guys up for maximum performances AG

"Come on Boys!!! Let's pretend there's a possibility of winning even though we all know there isn't!!"



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 13:30
Marcus must be shedding pounds. He's been on the field since the first ball of Day 1. Well done that man... and it would be good to see him on the pitch for the whole game.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 13:31
I take the point re byes AG but most of the time all we have to go on is the scorecard and we are quick to criticise out own keeper based on that alone.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 13:33
Keep them stewing in the heat as long as possible.๐Ÿ˜ˆโ˜€

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 13:42
Not what I said, Grockle, but nevermind.

Nevertheless, anyone with a brain knows that the odds current favour a draw.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 13:49
Tractor said he met a couple of ladies from Cheddar this morning who saw him leaving the ground last night when he admitted he was absolutely knackered.

Here's one for the stats guys amongst you.

It seems that this is the first three figures he has ever scored against Notts at Trent Bridge. It seems he has never achieved this against the mighty Derbyshire at Derbyshire but they are wondering here which traditional home and away grounds the man has not scored hundreds at against the counties.

Anyone got a few hours....no pressure



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 13:53
Well, since he became a proficient batsman he will barely have played in CC2 as he was with England whilst we were down in the dirge that is CC2.

So in terms of CC tons one can possibly rule out certain Counties that have spent most of the past nine years down in Division Two.

One exception is Glamorgan as Tres's big score against them at home, in front of DF, led to his eventual England selection. Not sure that he's ever made an away CC ton at Cardiff, though. and suspect he's not made them vs Leics and Gloucs in the CC.

White ball would require looking things up rather than a process of deduction and cannot be bothered with that.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 13:53
Very well done, Jim Allenby!

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 13:53
Maybe that little spat with the press has given the guy an extra incentive?

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 13:54
Yes, GM, but both MIke and I saw the byes in question (on the live feed).

Did the ball bounce in front of Davies? Yep.

Was the line straight at him? Yes.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 14:03
Lazy shot form JA - waft outside off - but dropped. A fairly poor drop by Wessels, IMO.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 14:08
35 off 12 needed, so looks routine.

Personally, I'm itching to get on with it, thereafter. There's that threat of rain tomorrow. It would be demoralising for them to spend almost the whole day out there - but, equally, if we could smash them all over Nottingham, after getting to 400, that would not do much for their morale either.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 14:12
Grockle.. I think you and I both witnessed MT's previous best on this ground. If memory serves he made about 89 at Trent Bridge in the game in 2014 in which we were bundled out for only about 200, batting first.

So I guess he's been getting closer to the three figure mark..



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 14:15
Tres needs 32 more for 1,000 FC for the season.

And he is only in his 11th game. Great effort. Remarkable.

Incredible what a pair of glasses can do, given that reports indicate that he has only a minute deficit in his long vision.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 14:18
JIm A will never have a better chance for a CC1 ton...

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 14:22
Correction... MT made 87 two years ago at TB.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 14:24
The first ball of Fletcher's 23rd over was an awful one and may be the first signs of utter demoralisation setting in.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 14:36
At what individual total does he pass 1000 AG



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 14:37
400 all but in the bag.

I'm hoping that Tres will then "do a Colchester," (as alluded to by Bobstan) - yes, I was there too that day at Castle Park.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 14:42
Grockle - 205, I believe (as per commentary).

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 14:43
Thanks



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 14:46
Thyanks, former boss - job done!

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 14:48
All things considered (pitch, weather) I think this match has gone as well as it conceivably could have done (to date).

Anything else from here (above a 12 point draw) would be a real boon, IMO.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 14:49
Pete going a blow.

It might be that his departure reduces our maximum conceivable score from 600 to closer to 500.

We shall see.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 14:53
Peter Trego couldn't stay long enough to stop Notts getting their second bowling point.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 14:56
Well we're ahead.



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 15:01
LG done by the googly.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 15:01
Cove's reach might help negate Imran T.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 15:06
Suspect Cove may have been fortunate to survive that run out bid - direct hit out more often than not. He does have the reach to extend for the line though.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 15:10
If this was a five day match, it would be fascinatingly poised...

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 15:16
Lewis was done by the speed. Didn't get his bat in fast enough. As said on the frontpage. How to make yourself popular with a senior professional. Call him through for a very quick single after 8 sessions on the pitch with a score of 199 to his name!!



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 15:18
MIssion accomplished, MT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 15:27
Looks like the first 8 sessions will prove to have been much ado about nothing, overall, with only Tres, Mullaney and Libby fully taking advantage of benign conditions.

Very disappointing, IMO, to see Cove fail yet again.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 15:29
Well not quite. Cove out going over the top. Ryan in - may not last long against Tahir and it might be an early Tea or Tim and Banger smacking out to get what they can. Notts have changed the game plan a little. Tea declaration? Must be now in consideration.



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 15:36
Marcus has scored 1000 first class runs for the season, and when he reached 210 that was on 891 CC runs for the season.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 15:48
At the moment the biggest factor behind the game seemingly being destined for a draw maybe the pedestrian way in which Notts batted on day one.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 15:54
And more stats for people (probably easier). How many times has Banger carried his bat for Somerset?

How many double hundreds has he scored? I know he got a triple for the seconds but I'm struggling to think of other first class doubles. But I think he has more

With reference to the counties AG. you need to remember that Marcus has been around a while longer than the two division CC so he may have got centuries in early at some grounds and against some teams. Derbyshire is of course an example of the point you make about recently



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 16:01
They said this was double-ton number 7 for Marcus.

Marcus did play pre two divisions but I think he only made about 6 tons prior to England. One was vs Glam. Another was a quite brilliant 151 at Wantage Road. He was fifth out for that score with the team total on 210 for 5.

A third, if memory serves, was a score of 124 vs Sussex.



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 16:02
Not a good start after tea.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 16:09
Six Players not in double figures on a batting pitch, it shows how good Marcus, Johann, Chris,Jim and extras [:wor kid:] batted.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 16:11
Banger out for 218. Has NEVER carried his bat for his county



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 16:13
Will Tim G EVER be dismissed!????



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 16:15
It seems that only 2 batsmen have carried their wickets during Marcus' whole county career. John Francis did it once and Tom Abell has done it twice already in his limited one.

Banger carried his bat for England once.#

Tahir's figures of 7 for 112 need to be put in context. He took his last 5 wickets for 10.

People can either play him or they simply can't. Though at least on of those was thrown away.



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 16:15
To be honest, MIke, both sets of bowlers will surely be relieved that so many batsmen (on both sides) failed to cash in. I'd have thought this was flat enough, and the weather good enough that it probably should have been 600 per side.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 16:16
Yes, Banger 219* vs SA at the Oval, I believe.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 16:16
It was pre-Marcus but I believe that the great Jimmy Cook carried his bat twice in the same match for SCCC.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 16:18
That man on the roller is doing a good job of it.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 16:20
ON the Tres tons pre-England front, he took Hants for 178 in the game where Andy Hayhurst was sacked (as Captain) by Brian Rose before the start. Tres only played because A N Hayhurst was fired.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 16:22
ONly two slips suggests that CR not exactly expecting to be able to make an impact with the ball...mindset may be more about making sure they have zero chance to declare and turn Tahir loose again.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 16:24
Although third slip added in short order.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 16:52
I was going to say two down before they have scored 37. one to go.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 16:58
I will settle for more than two. (Sm6)

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 17:10
I have had a very quick look through the hundreds that MT has scored in county cricket.

I believe that today's 100 was the first that he has scored at Trent Bridge. Also I could not discover that he has ever scored three figures (either home or away) v. Derbyshire or Gloucestershire.

Also showing a blank, was a 100 on any of Hampshire's grounds.

Done very quickly, so can't vouch 100 % for its accuracy.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
PDS1985 (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 18:06
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Clarence Parker
Also showing a blank, was a 100 on any of Hampshire's grounds.

Trescothick has scored 2 centuries away at The Rose Bowl in Hampshire.

118 in 2009 [www.espncricinfo.com]
227 in 2011 [www.espncricinfo.com]

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 18:17
Has he scored tons against all the other 17 at Taunton though?

Thanks for that PDS and CP....we'd come to much the same thing for the away games...never at Bristol then...who'da thunk it?



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
PDS1985 (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 19:04
I've noticed all of Trescothick's 7 first-class double centuries have been away from Taunton:

219 for England against South Africa at The Oval in 2003 [www.espncricinfo.com]
284 away at Northamptonshire in 2007 [www.espncricinfo.com]
228* away at Essex in 2010 [www.espncricinfo.com]
227 away at Hampshire in 2011 [www.espncricinfo.com]
203 away at Worcestershire in 2011 [www.espncricinfo.com]
210* away at Sussex last year [www.espncricinfo.com]
218 away at Nottinghamshire in this match [www.espncricinfo.com]

Trescothick's highest score at home is 190 vs Middlesex in 1999 [cricketarchive.com]



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 19:05
Maybe next year.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
mikeindex (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 19:24
Just goes to show how it distorts a batsman's figures playing all his home games at Taunton.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grizzzzly (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 19:27
At sea, catching up with the good news via an extremely dodgy Internet connection, so will just say tremendous stuff from Marcus. Really amazing how his desire for runs continues to increase as the years pass.

Well done Cove as well. You owed the team after last week, so another bag full of wickets in the 2nd innings to give us a chance of winning would be very welcome.

Grizzzly

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 21:38
You got a boat back to Canada, Grizzly?

Awesome!

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
wsm fan (IP Logged)
19/07/2016 22:47
Fantastic day once again.
3 great days in the sun with lovely company.
To get a lead on that pitch was not easy, whatever cricinfo or a fixed camera internet stream screen may suggest.
It is a pitch where it seems hard to get in, and once you do you have to cash in.

Watching Marcus will never get tiring. His class and determination just never wain.
I'm sure when he next fails a few times many who are happy to praise him now will announce him over the hill and past it but he is a pure Somerset legend.

The last 7/8 years plus since he has come back to us full time he has given nothing but 100%, as batsmen, captain and senior player he is a complete one off.

I fear the very sad day where a Somerset opening pair walks out that doesn't include M.Trescothick but fingers crossed he has 2 or 3 years left in him yet.....

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grizzzzly (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 00:29
Quote:
AGod
You got a boat back to Canada, Grizzly?
Awesome!

Only as far as New York. Got to fly from there unfortunately !

Hopefully we will have the game won by then !

Grizzzly

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 09:14
Well it could be down to the first hour this morning. No rain here last night though we were forecast "the Deluge" of literally biblical proportions. Very humid however and we must hope that is still around this morning. Lots of fluffy cloud and wispy stuff high in the sky but it is more a kind of white rather than blue so there may be some movement.

If we are significantly into them by lunch time then this could be a good day. If we let them get away then we could have a dodgy late afternoon against Tahir. Or it will flatten and the bore draw will be on the cards. Good to be going once more into the fourth day of an uninterrupted match with all three results possible.

Marcus has not been off the pitch for any of the last three days and should things go for him he will face the fourth day with the same possibility.

Very impressed with the application of Craig yesterday and the direct bowling of Jim Allenby. I suggested (and someone else referred to it yesterday) that it seems like he has re-focussed. It does seem like a long and probably frank discussion has been had with the player because his performances over the last couple of weeks have been markedly better than those I've seen before this. Solid with the bat when it was required yesterday and solid with the ball in every spell he has bowled in this game



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 10:23
Personally, I suspect that Jim Allenby may have taken a long hard look at himself over the spat with the media and dedicated himself to improve. If so, very well done to him.

If MM was going to "have a word," about JA's performance levels then said word should have occurred a long old time ago, IMO. After all MM has been in charge for 26 CC matches, 24 of which JA has played in and, until the past 3 weeks or so, JA's performances had never, IMO, been good enough for us to merit a first XI place in red ball cricket.

Perhaps Chris Rogers "got into," Allenby and revved him up along the lines of "Everyone is having a pop at you and you're not going to silence them with past accomplishments at Glamorgan. Get out there and prove the illegitimate children wrong."

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 10:30
If it stays humid then it really should swing.

MM was trying to claim that conditions were generally a bit tricky anyway, but I suspect that may have been a bit of kidology vs the Notts batsmen (particularly as there was no mention of this on the previous two days) as most of our guys (apart from Hildreth whom I did not see) seem to me to have had little trouble playing the Notts' seamers.

Many county batsmen and most of those who bat outside of the top six in County XIs have no real idea of how to read quality wrist-spin, IMO, so the seven wickets for Tahir should not have come as a monumental surprise. From what I saw, I'm not even sure that Imran had to bowl anything like as well as he can bowl for those seven wickets.. certainly he seemed to bowl quite a lot of loose stuff in amongst the good balls.

I would think that - if the ball is going to swing around today - than we ought to have a chance at getting the remaining 8 wickets for, say, another 150 runs or so. But that might be a very tricky chase if they can have somebody swinging it at one end and Tahir at the other.

If it does not swing around today, then I'd think it's very unlikely that either side will be able to force a victory with 18 wickets to fall, unless we really cock it up with the ball and allow Notts to get far enough ahead with a good amount of time left to declare and we then struggle vs Tahir.



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 10:57
The idea that there might have been talks across the board comes from the revelation of Craig's bowling in this game as well. he was a different bowler to the one I've seen during the rest of this season... and he kept his comments to himself - unlike Mr Fletcher.

Cloud is building here. Very grey on the New Stand side of the ground and it is coming in from there. the bright stuff is heading over Fox Road and heading to Grantham. Just what we want.



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 11:17
Do you think it is liable to stay dry for the foreseeable?

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 11:22
Final ball of Lewis's eighth over looked unplayable!

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 11:32
TG also in on the act with something unplayable vs Taylor.

It *looks* like just a matter of time before we breakthrough to me.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 11:37
Well done, JA, Taylor duly gone.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 11:42
Jake Libby has been a rather large pain in the derriere in this match and I have seen enough of him - time for him to go!

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 11:45
JA gets Wessels with one that nibbled away off the seam.

The ball is talking this morning and Notts may now be in some bother...

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 11:46
Jim Allenby, what a good signing he has been.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 11:50
Looked like a good lbw shout vs Patel.

Guess that either he got just outside the line, or may have been a bit too high?

But, no, MIke, overall he's not been a good signing at all ... until the past few weeks.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 11:55
Well it's looked promising in the first 10 people. The grey cloud is not moving away at the moment and it is hot and humid out there..



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 11:57
Samit looks at the track in disbelief after one from TG climbs and leaves him, defeating him all ends up.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 11:57
These last days have shown that 4 day (5day if Test) cricket is really great. Our game v Msex was superb, so is this with all results still possible. Durham and Lancs was a magnificent contest yesterday and even the Surrey Hants game is full of determination.
Splendid lads- keep it going

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 12:13
Batting starting to look a little easier to me over the past three overs or so.

The age of the ball might be starting to count against us.

It will surely be Jack time fairly soon - and we need wickets from him.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 12:13
Ref Marcus and his 100's

He has made centuries home and away against 10 counties

He has made only home tons against Lancashire and Middlesex
He has only made away tons against Essex, Kent and Warwickshire

2 counties have not yet fallen to the Trescothick Three Figures at all....Gloucestershire and Derbyshire

Thank you Cricket Archive. What a resource you are.



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 12:20
Libby gone. Took my eye off it. I assume he played on because I thought he'd defended the ball then Cove was celebrating and Libby as sans off-bail..

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 12:23
Well Cove roughed him up and then fired a full one in. Tried to chop down on it and chopped on instead. Craig is bowling very well.



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 12:29
I'm surprised Derbyshire got away with it vs Tres although maybe their most recent season in CC1 coincided with MT's injury - or at least the home game may have done.

MT played in the game at Derby.

Not surprised, really, about Gloucs, as they have not been in CC1 in living memory.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 12:32
Some signs of uneven bounce?

One from JA to Samit just seemed to keep very low.

Chris Read (perpetual thorn in our side) and Samit (ditto) may be in a "stick or twist," situation here.

They don't have much batting to come and - even in conditions that help swing and where there may be turn for Imran T- they do not, surely, presently have enough of a lead. They may be tempted to try to press on for fear that if they just defend, one of them will be out soon anyway and then exposing a longish tail.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Following on (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 12:35
Getting a bit ahead of myself here, but what do we think would be a chaseable target later this afternoon?

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 12:39
At the moment, I'd say anything about 150 would be very difficult (assuming that the track turns for Tahir and that the weather conditions remain humid).

To be honest, with the way our lower order played Tahir in the first innings, I would not be wholly confident, I don't think, unless the target was south of 120!

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 12:46
Come on, Lewis, cannot be having any short rubbish like that ball to Read just now.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 12:48
Except that he bowled a second short one which was decent, which unlike the first one, got above head height and Read appears to have slapped it down somebody's throat - long leg I presume.

Correction: it seems he trod on his stumps. I don't think the players realised for a while either as there was a delay before anybody celebrated (which I assumed meant we were waiting for a catch to be attempted)>



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 12:52
Fletcher bowled all ends up by LG, straight through him. I think he came in a bit through the air.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 12:53
What has happened to Hutton?

He would normally bat above Imran T.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Following on (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 12:53
Getting interesting - Notts 64-7 (after deducting first innings deficit)

C'mon lads make up for last weeks disappointment!

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Following on (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 12:55
Spots of rain in West Dorset - what's it like in Nottingham??

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 13:01
Agod, You really don't wait very long to see how things pan out before posting do you. :-)

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 13:02
Surely Samit will try to hit out after lunch?

He cannot have much faith in Imran?

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 13:04
Hot sunshine forecast this afternoon.

I'm not sure, really, if the cloud cover has been the main factor behind swing or simply the level of humidity?

If the former, it may stop swinging if the forecast is right. But provided we can winkle the last few out then that would help us when we bat...

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 13:11
Cloud cover at the moment but hot and humid. Nothing presently suggesting rain - good light.

Read hit his wicket with his follow through

Hutton has a minor hand injury got yesterday while fielding but will bat if necessary (so will probably bat).

I'd love to see Samit starting to hit out, he looks totally at sea at the moment.

If we can't win this one from here........



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 13:16
No storms forecast until 7, for what that is worth.

Storms very tough to predict though.

Humidity levels forecast to drop through the afternoon.

It *might* be that the weather is about to favour us a little in this one (if less humidity and more sunshine = less swing when they bowl).



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 13:43
Rain was predicted here yesterday at 4 so it has been backdated then?

We need 3 wickets for less than 32 runs if at all possible in the next hour.



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 13:45
Tahir looking out of his depth.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 13:56
Quote:
AGod
Not what I said, Grockle, but nevermind.
Nevertheless, anyone with a brain knows that the odds current favour a draw.


Might still be a draw I 'spose, but thought I'd give it a bump anyway.

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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 14:02
Pointless Chunky because the reality was that the odds at that point did very clearly favour a draw.

Different weather conditions this morning have combined with good bowling and put Notts in a hole.

However, it seems the forecast was right as it looks far sunnier this afternoon and the ball is old so even with Notts being 7 down and not far in front, they may still get away with it.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 14:13
The clouds have now opened up when it looked like it was in for the day. Blue Sky, sun is out and Samit is looking like a totally different cricketer so... we're back on all three results again with the draw back in the driving seat.

This flaming game..... it gives you what you want and then changes its mind on an hourly basis

Jack is on which is a statement in itself - and he has just got Samit. Sorry, wishful thinking it's Tahir going back and not connecting.... Game moves again!!!



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 14:14
Imran not Samit, sadly.

Imran not able to resist JL for long!

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 14:16
Gurney cannot bat so, if they are intending to bat Hutton, I'm surprised that - if his injury really is minor - that he has not come out.

Maybe it's worse than they were letting on..

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 14:18
Gregory long hop first ball up and Samit Smacks it straight into Hilda's hands on the New Stand boundary - anywhere else and it was six. 135 for 9. No Hutton so it's 100 to win.

How many more twists do you reckon people?



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 14:19
Samit gone, Hutton never appeared.

100 to win.

With cloud having cleared off then I would say that, for us not to win it, then either:

a) IMran will have to bowl like a demon

or

b) We'd have to bat like fools

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 14:20
Hopefully, Grockle, ZERO. Zero twists.

Marcus to hopefully knock the runs off for our third successive win over Notts.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 14:22
Or both at the same time?

5 for 10 yesterday

Front end have to do this - can't leave it to the brainless back end. Davies, idiotic shot straight after a break. Craig tried his best to run Marcus out on 199 before trying to hit over the top. Trigger not really there James neither. Slow and methodical 100 please gents



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 14:25
Yeah, from 7 down then the potential to either be badly out-classed by Imran or to bat gormlessly against him is high.

Marcus said on the website that, before our innings started:

"We were all worried about facing Imran," and for 7 through 11 nothing that happened will have assuaged those fears.

I'm just very relieved that the sun is out so hopefully less swing than we were able to obtain.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 14:30
On any other day I would be rejoicing at a target of 100, but...?
Do we need positivity against the new ball to put in a foundation. Come on chaps.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 14:39
I think we do, GM, yes.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 14:46
Mullaney replaces Fletcher at the Scoreboard end. Expect Tahir to possibly replace Gurney at the Radcliffe (or maybe Patel) but they had better hurry up because MT has hit 2 fours off his first two balls.



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 14:49
Well the Mullaney 12 was to get Fletcher to the other end..... Hmmm

Tahir on at the scoreboard for the 7th then?



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 14:52
Yep, whether Tahir likes bowling with a new ball or not, lack of cloud cover seems to equal zero chance for their seamers, so they'd better fetch him on, pronto..

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 14:53
And the last part of this game starts........NOW. Marcus puts his first through the covers for 4.
Sorry once again - Johann - does it again with his third ball

But he is getting something.



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 14:56
He's on and Mybs fortunate to survive his bosie.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 15:03
Marcus destroying Imran - he's switched to over the wicket and immediately square driven for antoher four.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Following on (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 15:06
I am refusing to comment on the state of play for fear of jinxing!

Interesting selection issues coming up as Tom Abell is fit and playing for the 2's, particularly given how well Johann Myburgh has performed.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 15:09
Tom will have to wait his turn, one would think. Would be very unfair to drop Mybs.

For the first time in a long, long time we will actually have a bit of competition for a top six place with the six incumbents ALL actually being in decent form - ok, well maybe not Hildreth right now but he's not about to lose his place.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 15:17
Superb straight six by Mybs off Imran.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 15:20
Or Johann could take the number 5 spot. But.....breathes in.... that would mean moving Jim to 6 and probably dropping Pete.

We could probably do without Jim's bat but his bowling has been excellent. Johann Myburgh presently taking Imran Tahir apart with three sixes in 5 balls. 87 for 0 after 13. Samit on



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 15:23
And another. And a four over extra-cover.

Absolutely hammering him. Great stuff.

The 23 point win should give us a good cushion above those below us, especially given the game in hand over both Notts and Surrey.

I believe we will move up to 5th in the table, ahead of Yorkshire, although they will have a game in hand.

Notts a bit unlucky, maybe, with the weather this morning but we were due some weather related luck and NOtts need to look back to day one and the fact that they had a huge opening partnership, after which they comprehensively failed to bat us out of the match. Particular credit, I think, to TG, Cove and JA for helping to keep them in check back on that first day.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Following on (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 15:33
Brilliant, just brilliant.... BLACKBIRD

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 15:35
Great stuff - you must be very happy to have sat through that, Grockle!?

I believe the table reads:

Middx 10-141

Durham 9 - 128

Warks 10 - 127

Lancs 10 - 121

Us 10 - 119

Yorks 9 - 116

Notts 11 - 98

Surrey 10 - 86 (result pending)

Hants 9 - 81 (result pending).

But Surrey are likely to get about 13 points and Hants, I think, about 11. The upshot would be that Surrey would scrape out of the relgation zone by one point ahead of Notts.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 15:36
Well I didn't expect that over by tea, and certainly not a 10 wkt win when Notts were nearly 200 for 0 on day 1. Great credit to the lads-especially the youngster who was on the field for every moment of the match. As an aside if the gamble against Middlesex had come off and we had won (which we nearly did) I think we would be top of the table. Three cheers for positive cricket

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 15:39
Just a very good, professional match. everyone stuck to what they needed to do. No-one panicked when things were slow. No-one let them off the leash. A couple of people were absolutely brilliant but the team stuck together an did their jobs effectively and efficiently and just let the game flow their way.

Best championship performance I have seen from Somerset for a time. Trescothick was majestic. Myburgh was just merciless at the end. Cove bowled well, Jim bowled well, Jack stuck at it, Tim gave nothing away. Lewis kept coming back. Backup fielding was good support was brilliant and a 10 wicket win was absolutely and thoroughly deserved.



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 15:43
Durham next, I believe, back in Somerset but several white ball games to negotiate before then.

With Jove's injury there will surely be a temptation to hold at least one or two of our CC bowlers out of the white ball stuff to keep them fresh for the CC?

Give Josh Davey a good run and, especially given the fine weather, look to bowl plenty of spin too, I would hope. Maybe Van Meekeren might get a look in one or two games as a seam option too. Unless the track favours seam ( a rarity in white ball cricket), Cove is not good at white ball anyway, so would be a good choice, IMO, to have a breather.

Mr Maynard should be trying to persuade his white ball captain to bowl himself quite a bit, IMO, in the 50 over stuff.



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 15:49
Well done lads, great win.


With Jamie out for rest of season opportunity for Josh Davey to show his skills.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 16:12
Notts, Surrey, Durham, Middx, Warks, Hants. All played against away.

So I think it's the two Roses teams left as our only away games vs four games at home. Home games will be vs Hants, Notts, Durham and Warks, I think.

I hope the recent weather will help us prepare some nice dry tracks so that Jack can make merry. Against anybody with a remotely first-choice attack out on the park
,I do not imagine for one moment that we will be repeating the MIddx pitch gamble.

If we do prepare those dry pitches, then we may need to find room for Roelof in the red-ball team. He is also liable to be needed for a trip to Old Trafford, assuming that our game with Lancashire is at OT. Jamie O could be a big miss for that one at OT.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
sfwithers (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 16:14
Been on holiday for a few weeks during which Somerset's season seemed to go to hell in a handcart, and after the first day of this team I feared the worst. But a great team performance helped to achieve a very, very good win - and potentially a very important one.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 16:20
It's very rare for a side to score 400, batting first, as slowly as Notts did and end up losing the match.

We see games at Taunton, occasionally, where both teams get 400 or so fairly quickly and then the side batting last ends up winning.

I wondered, at the time, whether there was an element of consciously trying to bat time in the Notts approach i.e the longer they occupy the crease, the more Tahir might have been expected to come into it later. MM said that the ball did not come onto the bat as we thought it would on that first day.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 16:31
So, Somerset have 3 more points than Yorkshire (although have played one more game)

As an example of supporter mindsets many Yorkshire supporters still believe they can win the championship. Some even take it one stage further and say will win the championship.

Is that simply because they have won it for the last two years, or greater faith in their squad to deliver when it matters? The point is Yorkshire supporters expect. Some (not all) Somerset supporters are in a mindset of 'Let's get away from the danger zone' without realising that any team that puts three consecutive wins together (and you now have the first) will be right up there.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 16:42
As I understand it, many Yorkshire supporters are livid with their season thus far. That is partly because they have a sense of entitlement/expect to win, particularly in view of the past two seasons in which they carried all before them. In terms of what they expect from here on out, I believe they have a number of bowlers returning from injury. That would explain, logically, why they may expect results to improve from here.

They are one of a few (Hants and Surrey being others) CC1 counties that have had a lot of bowling injuries to deal with this season.

Unless tracks start to turn square in the final stanza of the season, I'd suggest that it seems unlikely that *any* side will win three games in a row in CC1.

Many SCCC fans are probably reasonably happy with our CC1 seasons so far, but I don't think you would ever find a Somerset fan that would state that we *WILL* win the CC1 other than Big Jim who always says it before the start of every season. But I don't think he's entirely serious.

I don't think you would find *many* SCCC fans that believe that we have a strong chance of winning CC1 this season.



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 16:47
Yes, but if you can get past the Yorkshire fans who moan about having 643 of their first team players on England duty, thus handicapping them (other teams have England calls too) they clearly feel they have the potential to make it a hat trick. Somerset mentality seems to set its sights lower (saves disappointment, I suppose)

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
WeAreSomerset (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 16:47
What an excellent victory on the back of the terrible news about Jamie Overton and then facing 400 when we first went out to bat.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 16:52
I've just edited my post to make it clearer, Chunky.

Yorks have had a ton of bowling injuries and I think some of those guys are either back already or about to be which would explain why they may expect an improvement in their results. For example, Ryan Sidebottom played in the heavy defeat that Yorks suffered vs Somerset IIs the other day.

Personally, I suspect that some Yorks players have had their appetite for success somewhat sated by the previous two years and that the team is not as intense as it was .. so bowlers coming back or not, I do not expect Yorkshire to win CC1 this season.



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
rodders (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 17:12
Well the weather Gods may have smiled on us a little but nonetheless a great result and overall a fine performance. Special praise to the old man from Keynsham who hit me for six when he was 14 and is still showing the youngsters a thing or two !!

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grizzzzly (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 18:21
Simply stunning victory.

Superb performance by pretty well everyone, but especially Marcus, who must be absolutely knackered !

Hugely encouraging result.

Grizzzly

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Botham (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 18:35
Tres deserves a thread of his own, simply majestic.

 
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Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 19:23
An excellent team performance - very well done to everyone.

 
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Bobstan (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 20:17
One of those days when I was unable to follow any of the day's play. One of those days, too, when it is difficult to believe what cricinfo says when one finally checks the score.

So many positives to take from this match. Well done indeed, SCCC.

At least I was wearing my Somerset sun hat round London!

 
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wsm fan (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 21:26
WHAT A FANTASTIC TRUELY SUPERB RESULT - WELL DONE LADS!!!

It really is ok to post praise in equal measure to the criticism when things don't go well.....

To lose the toss on a flat pitch with prospect of facing Tahir last innings 11am Sunday who could have dreamt of this, not even me!

The bowling effort to keep them to 401 on that was superb, controlled and did as well as we could to restrict when they had best of the conditions.

Our innings was basically a Trescothick masterclass, excellently supported by Myburgh, Chris and Jim that innings set us up with a small chance.

Then the bowlers last night and today have topped it off. I was out of touch this morning but buzzing all afternoon after catching up on multiple score updates of all the amazing mornings events.

If Matt and Chris got criticism from some last week lets heap praise on them tonight yeah? It is a great culture and belief we have created for today to have even been possible. So easy to just accept a dull draw as winning was not really expected.

I just can't speak highly enough of our skipper, a top bloke, 100% committed to the cause with now previous affinity to our club. He demands 100% and is a born winner, he really cares too which means a lot.
Whatever we are paying him is well worth it and more, we are very very lucky to have him.

BLACKBIRD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 21:36
Great to get home to an excellent and, at the start of the day, unexpected victory. Congratulations to all concerned, players and DoC - but especially to the Keynsham lad. He's getting the hang of this game. Mine's a celebratory pint.

 
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Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 22:54
I can hardly add to all the superlatives already written here and can only chuckle at some of the carping in the earlier posts on this thread. It must go down as one of the great wins in our history, inspired by one of our greatest ever players.

And the additional good news for me is that the bug that has plagued my computer on most recent visits to this site has not reappeared today and so maybe it has been banished. I read through the current thread but have decided to mark all previous threads as read, thus denying myself perhaps some priceless gems.



LoL

Sixty-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 23:21
I think we should re-instate all those people we sacked.....(Sm100)

It wasn't the weather by the way. That just let the game go the distance it is supposed to

We weren't lucky in some way that the 'weather gods' smiled on us (we've been unlucky some days this year when they didn't) and we got four days when others didn't. Most sides got four days...we just didn't need all of them!!

But a one liner is better than nothing I suppose. Shame it's paragraphs if a player bowls a no ball but never mind.

Driving home tonight I actually went over it and realised what a very very good overall team performance this was. I know Marcus got 200 odd but Mulanney got 170 ish. With a few little glitches here and there this was a full blown all eleven involved full on victory.



(Sm72)

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 23:34
You don't think the weather (which you described earlier) had an assist today then?

Still have to bowl well enough to take advantage, of course..

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 23:42
I didn't take that as the inference of the post I referred to.

The weather today was no more than you ought to expect in the summer.

If it was unusual it was because the weather we have had up until now has been extraordinary rather than that we've had in the last four days.

It gave us the advantages you'd expect at the start of a June match day but it's of no bloody use if you can't use it and we did exactly that today.

I think we have had weather that has allowed a good game of cricket to be played. We haven't been in some way given weather other sides haven't had and in that case have won a game because of it.

The weather, as it should in the middle of flaming June allowed Somerset to do the job they are paid to do and they did it very well. Don't look for things to put this down to other than the skills of the players on the pitch - it's ungracious and it's untrue.



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wsm fan (IP Logged)
20/07/2016 23:48
Exactly, weather is over rated.

It could be the most perfect swing/seam conditions ever known but if I bowled in them I wouldn't get wickets because I am rubbish!

There have been plenty of occasions where teams don't take advantage of supposed good bowling conditions.

We won this match with a session to spare because our 11 players played better over 11 sessions than those of Notts.
They barely scored a run this morning, not because they weren't trying to but because we didn't let them.

We are building a very impressive 4 day team under the best captain in county cricket.
Of course we will have bad days, sessions or even just hours but we are still improving.
Tom, Ryan, Craig, Jamie, Lewis & Jack, that's over half the first choice team who are still not the finished article.

Under Chris the bowlers have come on great this season, and under his guidance you can see improvement literally within sessions when perhaps things don't start great.
The fact we learn quickly bodes very well.

We just need to recognise what we have.
That requires maybe some more balanced views when we do have those bad spells.
We aren't the best team in the world because we have beaten Surrey & Notts but equally one lost gamble defeat be Middlesex doesn't warrant doom + gloom and obvious relegation.

Anyway, we can all sleep happy tonight after a truly fantastic whole team performance.

Nice 14 day break now until the next proper match and a Thursday start v Durham.....

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
21/07/2016 00:12
Grockle - I was referring to it being cloudyish this morning, not the fact that the match was uninterrupted by bad weather.

I'm not sure how it clouding over this morning equates to it being "no more than one would expect in summer"?

(Yeah, one would expect cloud in our summer, but then would not expect every other session of of the match to take place under a hot sun!)

As I said, and as WSM rightly says, you have to bowl well enough to take advantage, of course you do - and we did.

Obviously, Tres's first innings score was huge in this match but we possibly have to come back to first innings bowling from Cove, TG and JA as being the thing that left us in a position where, thanks to MT's knock, we ended up in a potentially match-winning situation - with a small lead, excellent second innings bowling and conditions that aided swing on the final morning combining to do for Notts.



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
21/07/2016 08:54
The post I referred to as 'ungracious' was not one of yours AG

Early first session moisture is nothing unusual in June and although the morning session gave us the opportunity, taking 5 wickets in that session was as much down to pressure and relentless effort as it was down to some clouds. The dismissal of Read showed the 'press' that was on all morning and Patel succumbed after lunch when the conditions were in his favour. The bowling conditions were in Tahir's favour yesterday and Johann put paid to that by never letting the man settle into a rhythm.

After the last few days I would find it really hard to justify NOT picking Myburgh in a side I wanted to win a game. He outshone Marcus in the last session and just stamped Somerset batting authority all over the end of that game.



(Sm72)

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
21/07/2016 10:39
Johannes M looked like he was having a ball out there.

I believe this is the last year of his current contract and Matthew Maynard must surely be in the process of being persuaded that another one should be offered.

With Jim A suddenly showing form, Myburgh going well, Tom A back to fitness, things are looking up at last on the top six batting front, IMO.

I hope that JM is retained for next year and I would think that the club will also be starting to give George Bartlett some serious consideration going forward. IF JM is retained and George B comes through, that would give us 8 players seriously competing for six top six batting berths (assuming Rogers returns). There is surely no doubt that Marcus will want to continue and that the club will wish him to do so.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
21/07/2016 11:29
Just watched the brief highlights of yesterday. We may not always be happy with our team, but I'd guess there might be some serious disgruntlement on a Notts board this morning! Poor effort all round.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
21/07/2016 12:00
I think we bowled pretty darn well - not sure there were too many awful shots from the Notts batsmen yesterday? With the Read one, apparently, the ball was hooked into the stands (i.e would have been six had he not dislodged his own bail) so I'd argue that CR was pretty unlucky with that one. Possibly he should not have been hooking in that situation, though - could have left it to just go through to Ryan D. Samit, at the end, had no choice but to hit out because Gurney is pretty much a non-batsman and Tahir has only the most rudimentary defensive technique.


Their heads seemed to go down pretty quickly when we batted.

If there was a Notts board, then I would think the focus of the ire of their fans should probably be viz the fact that they had a huge opening stand on the first day and really failed to push home the advantage in that innings. They probably could and should have made 500-550 after the start that they got. Their other big problem, IMO, was how poor Hutton was with the ball as a third seamer.

 
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Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
21/07/2016 12:14
It wasn't so much awful shots as a general spinelessness, almost lazy technical display. Yes, Read was a bit unlucky, but clearly the ball got higher than he expected which caused his bat to go unusually high (think Furyk's golf swing) and come back down into his stumps. Read and Patel aside, and yes our guys seemed to bowl well, it just all seemed rather listless in the hot sun.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
21/07/2016 12:35
I'm new on here - took me a while to get registered.
Watched quite a bit on the live stream - super stuff.

Earlier in the game I wanted to ask why Rogers opted for a toss, which he lost, when I thought the away teams were awarded an uncontested toss this season?
Obviously it worked out fine, but chasing 200 or so on a 4th day wicket it could have been different.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
21/07/2016 12:42
Hello, Rod and welcome.

No, the choice that Chris Rogers (and all visiting Captains) have this season is one of first refusal over whether or not they wish to *field* first.

If the away Captain does not wish to field, a toss must take place.

As you correctly imply, CR obviously wanted to bat first.

Edited to add that CR described the loss of the toss at TB as "an apparent hammer blow."



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Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
21/07/2016 12:47
Ah, that explains it - thanks, and thanks for the welcome too.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
21/07/2016 12:49
"It must go down as one of the great wins in our history, inspired by one of our greatest ever players."

High praise and opinion indeed. I would not go that far myself, but as I have already stated it was an excellent win - one that I enjoyed hopefully as much as you did, Sir.

 
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AGod (IP Logged)
21/07/2016 13:00
[www.espncricinfo.com]

An interesting point made by Chris Rogers re: the Middx declaration in Jon Culley's report.

Personally, I still don't believe that declaring was the right thing to do - but I will concede that he is probably right that a team learns by "being under pressure."

In an ordinary season, a team will naturally find itself under pressure on a reasonably regular basis without having to manufacture such a situation. But with the weather and the way pitches have been, I guess this has not been an ordinary season.

 
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Angell Face (IP Logged)
21/07/2016 13:03
I think the only possible way Notts could have got us out for less than 100 was if Tahir got into a groove. I suspect that Marcus and Mybs decided that they weren't going to let that happen because Mybs particularly went for him with a vengeance. What a great win. (If only the rain hadn't done for us at the Rosebowl.)

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
21/07/2016 13:17
Yep, Myburgh hit him for 22 in one over three 6's and a 4.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
21/07/2016 16:43
Well done Rod. Glad you got it sorted and got yourself on the forum. Welcome indeed. Not a bad game to arrive at.



(Sm72)

 
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Bobstan (IP Logged)
21/07/2016 18:18
Welcome, Rod. And at the age of 133 you must be our second oldest poster - but then people in Tibet are famously long-lived, so being second is no disgrace.

 
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Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
21/07/2016 18:23
Any newcomer is always welcome at any age.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
22/07/2016 21:22
Quote:
Clarence Parker
"It must go down as one of the great wins in our history, inspired by one of our greatest ever players."
High praise and opinion indeed. I would not go that far myself, but as I have already stated it was an excellent win - one that I enjoyed hopefully as much as you did, Sir.

The first part of my sentence quoted above might have been an exaggerion, though Somerset responded extraordinarily well to the unpromising situation at the start of Day Four, but I assume you don't disagree with the second part.

I join in welcoming Rod1833 but am warning you not to be over-impressed by Bobstan's arithmetical genius, for I am certain that he employed the services of every member of his family to complete that calculation.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
22/07/2016 21:44
It was also a very good response to:

A) Losing the toss on a flat-track

And, more importantly,

cool smiley The deflating outcome vs Middx

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
24/07/2016 20:52
Rather a nice, whimsical blog, from a Notts supporter point of view

[newcrimsonrambler.wordpress.com]

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
AGod (IP Logged)
24/07/2016 21:04
ONe suspects the author spent a lot of time on his prose. This would explain how it came to be that he somehow missed Trescothick's litany of cover drives. He must have missed them, for his copy states that Tresco now avoids "all off-side shots."

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Grockle (IP Logged)
24/07/2016 21:11
Both his first and second ton had shots to all parts of the ground. The cartwheel was significant in that there weren't really areas of very significant importance



(Sm72)

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Bobstan (IP Logged)
24/07/2016 21:40
While the comments about MT's offside shots, or rather the supposed total lack of them, is clearly arrant nonsense, some of the whimsy is quite diverting.

However much of it is couched in the sort of language up with which Winston Churchill would not have put.

 
Re: Gordian Notts CC1
Wickham (IP Logged)
25/07/2016 15:19
I was in the mountains for a week, without Internet access. The first incling I had of this result was an email from a friend which included "Whatever Trescothick is on, I want some of it". I have now read Grockle's excellent report, and most of the comments, from which I can see that, while MT made a huge contribution, this was an excellent team performance.

I look forward more than ever to visiting HQ for the Durham match.

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