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The End of Days


By Grockle et al
September 23 2016

And so we come to the end of the 2016 season with Chris Rogers leading his four day squad into the last game of the season looking for a trophy.  Who'da thunk it?

At the bneginning of the season we would not have predicted the last four days of the season.

We welcome Nottinghamshire to the last CC1 game of the season fighting Middlesex and Yorkshire for top spot in the division.  Notts arrive very wary of our strong bowling attack of JACK LEACH, ROELOF VAN DER MERWE and DOM BESS!!!  We would have expected them to be wary of Craig Overton and Tim Groenewald.... but our spinners?

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016:09:29:12:19:44 by Grockle.

 
Bagpuss
The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
16/09/2016 18:23
Thought I'd start a new thread for the final CC matches. Partly cos the one we've been using is really for the Yorkshire match last week. Mainly cos the thread's getting so long my phone wont open it any more.

Anyway, Yorkshire will be without Jake Lehmann who has been recalled by South Australia for preseason preparation. Meanwhile Tim Murtagh has confirmed he's delaying his departure to South Africa for the Ireland tour in order to play at Lord's.



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Loyal of Lhasa
Re: The Final Countdown
Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
16/09/2016 18:43
What of Root? I understand he's not going to play in the ODIs in Bangladesh. Is that because he will be exhausted from the Lord's encounter.

Meanwhile, I am baffled that Bairstow declined to play in the Somerset match - and there was I thinking he was die-hard Yorkshire man.



LoL

Seventy Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Bagpuss
Re: The Final Countdown
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
16/09/2016 19:27
I don't think the ECB released Root to play v Somerset. To be fair I don't think Yorkshire can grumble where Root I concerned (though they will). Root is an England contracted player whom England pay, but let out on loan to Yorkshire from time to time. Bairstow on the other hand isn't (ok he has an incremental contract because of the number of matches he's played for England) and Yorkshire still pay a proportion of his wages.

No doubt that will change at the end of this month when the ECB announce the list of fully contracted players. It will be interesting to see if Jos retains his now he's currently out of the Test team. Will Strauss put the ECB's money where his mouth is, giving equivalent importance to white ball cricket.

Yeah I've gone off-topic already.

 
mikeindex
Re: The Final Countdown
mikeindex (IP Logged)
16/09/2016 20:10
I was trying to think of a pun on Notts to open this thread. Not too disappointed at not needing to bother.

Quote:
Bagpuss
Yeah I've gone off-topic already.

I'm appalled.



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Loyal of Lhasa
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
16/09/2016 20:27
Tying Notts down - and keeping them there?



LoL

Seventy Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
mikeindex
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
mikeindex (IP Logged)
16/09/2016 20:51
Quote:
Loyal of Lhasa
Tying Notts down - and keeping them there?
Like

 
Clarence Parker
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
16/09/2016 21:28
Please don't take for granted the fact that Notts. are bottom of the table and already relegated, to be indicative of the fact that they will be a pushover and not put up a fight.

It may well work out that way; on the other hand it may not.

To everyone who is able to attend, I wish you well as I do for Somerset also. Sadly, unless circumstances change PDQ, I shall be missing the game but will be there in spirit and trying somehow to keep in touch.

The last game of the season and the last of the summer wine.

Enjoy.

PS - I also hope that there is a good attendance at the Q & A session on Tuesday, about which someone will I hope post some details.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Grockle (IP Logged)
16/09/2016 21:45
I don't think anyone has suggested that Notts will be any kind of pushover CP have they?

It wouldn't be anything like as satisfying if we are to win if that was the case.



(Sm72)

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
16/09/2016 22:16
It has been suggested re: the debate about what kind of track we should prepare. Some have suggested that we should expect to easily beat them even if we don't prepare a turning track, citing their poor record etc

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
JuliaW (IP Logged)
16/09/2016 22:21
I'm really looking forward to going on Tuesday (and a few more days if I can sneak out of the office).

I moved down to Devon a few years ago and decided to adopt Somerset as my club but this has been my first season watching Somerset 'live' in the County Championship and it's been great.

I saw three days at Trent Bridge (but managed to miss the climax on the final day), most of the match at the Ageas Bowl, a rather turgid day at Lords plus quite a few days at Taunton.

I think I've been lucky that my first season has coincided with the guys putting up some great performances. I've been struck by the team spirit, they look like a group of players who enjoy playing together and playing for each other.

Fingers crossed for next week - dare to dream!

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Grockle (IP Logged)
17/09/2016 05:57
It's nice to read a post from someone with a new perspective Julia.

The Cumudgeon Club of those with decades behind them and no hope for anything in the future have mostly disappeared back into their dark caves to winter early since the County started moving forward after the T20 debacle.

It was relegation doom gloom and 'man the lifeboats' in the Spring which has been replaced by silence from some quarters since just after the Middlesex four day game which was a kind of 'last hurrah' for many of our resident critics.

Not all is rosey and there is a need for a number of changes in the winter but it has been a much improved second half of 2016. Though you'll struggle to find that posted from some on here. They'll just hole up until the next dip in fortune and then return to predict clouds 'lowering upon our house' once more and the death of the Golden Age of Somerset cricket when it was jumpers for wickets and the only decent players we ever had...Viv, Joel and of course good old Ian were in full flow and we swept all before us on hazy golden summer days..

Meanwhile this bunch of wasters go into next week's match with a chance of winning our first Chsmpionship...who'd a thought it aye? Enjoy your the week ma'am and we'll all be praying things go right.



(Sm72)

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
17/09/2016 07:00
Actually, right now, Grockle, I am not so sure that 'there is a need for a number of changes in the winter.'

If Chris Rogers goes then somebody will be signed to replace him. Matthew Maynard would like to add a left-arm paceman.

Is the left-armer geuinely 'a need'? In my view, not really.

A number of posters would still like to see a batting coach appointed.

I'd say the list of needs extends to only two things, one of which is conditional - replace Rogers IF he quits, and the other add a batting coach.

I certainly don't expect MM to add a batting coach, though.

 
cricketharris
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
cricketharris (IP Logged)
17/09/2016 08:29
Isn't it brilliant that little ol' Somerset are right up there challanging the big guns at the top of the championship at the end of the season. Makes me feel proud of them. I believe that captain Rogers must be having a major influence on team spirit and belief and I would dearly like him to stay for another season, please.

 
Ronniesabre
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
17/09/2016 08:46
Excellent post Julia. Also an excellent time to be supporting Somerset I would think. Hope you get to the last game too and enjoy the success "hopefully " !!

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Grockle (IP Logged)
17/09/2016 09:09
I can't see Tim going on forever even though it has been good to see him take on the mantle when Alf went. Would like to see a left armer with a bit of nouse - are any of our new boys lefties? Josh Davey may yet become a force.

We have to plan for the day that Marcus hangs up his boots and we may have to try and consolidate without Chris Rogers which could be a problem at the helm and at number 3 (Though Johann was starting to look at that really seriously around about Notts at Trent Bridge). The work may be based around getting the next batch ready for the first team fray but we can't just go.... OK second half of summer was OK so we're almost sorted.

If Chris stays then I'm sure he has plans...he's getting more out of Lewis but that job isn't finished. The fact that an Overton is injured for at least half a season most years must be a worry. The groundstaff will be looking to get a handle on the pitch - though we can't complain at the moment. If Pete is becoming more of a batsman then he needs to work on Jim becoming more of a bowler in all formats.

There's enough work to be getting on with. Because if the CC1 does not come to pass this year we have to be dissatisfied with anything but the title next year and not just start the next season as Somerset always do.



(Sm72)

 
Ronniesabre
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
17/09/2016 09:32
Tim is only 32. Allenby at 34 in last year of his contract . Does he want to extend ? Don't know. Tims here for 2 more years and if he wants he can stay as long as he likes IMO. We do need to look at bringing in younger players too though so they have to look at that as we must have oldest batting unit in the country with only abell an established younger player . Time for Bartllett hose and rouse to step up !!

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
17/09/2016 09:33
I'm sure everybody would agree with the sentiment of your final sentence, most especially the final few words, Grockle.

Agree with Ronnie's post too.

I believe that the answer to your question, Grockle is no - that none of our emerging bowlers like Green, Sale and Redrup are southpaws.



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MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
JuliaW (IP Logged)
17/09/2016 09:35
Quote:
Grockle
It's nice to read a post from someone with a new perspective Julia.
The Cumudgeon Club of those with decades behind them and no hope for anything in the future have mostly disappeared back into their dark caves to winter early since the County started moving forward after the T20 debacle...

I was born in Herefordshire and back in the day (long time ago now!) was a regular at Edgar Street watching Hereford United. Over the years they have been FA Cup giant killers, in and out the football league, bankrupt and wound up because of terrible financial mismanagement and then this May I was lucky enough to see the pheonix club Hereford FC run out at Wembley in the FA Vase final.

I fully expect that being a Somerset supporter will have similar ups and downs (hopefully not at Hereford levels though!) and that at some point I shall be moaning about something!

But I currently see a lot of positives at the club - the crop of young players coming through for the future in particular. So I'm hopeful that there are more good days ahead. smiling smiley

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
17/09/2016 09:42
Aye, Ronnie Radford.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Grockle (IP Logged)
17/09/2016 11:07
I have no problem at all with people moaning Julia - I've done my fair share this year.

It's when that is all they do irrespective of the performance of the team and are significantly absent when some of the things they moan about get dealt with. We all know such posters exist on every forum.

The only thing you can do is keep the 'trolling' to a minimum and moderate it when it happens. Those people are NOT welcome.

You can also ask the people who can do nothing else but be negative to justify their moans on a regular basis. They usually get bored, complain about their treatment and wander away if they can't get their own way or are questioned about the views they find hard to justify.

People who have concerns and back up those concerns with evidence and possibly even suggestions of improvements are not a problem on an open forum. Rational balance is to be welcomed by any group who want to see their side progress.

There are also those topics where people are never going to agree. They flare up occasionally, get a little hot, cool down and posters get on with other stuff.

We tend to moderate ourselves to a great extent.



(Sm72)

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
JuliaW (IP Logged)
17/09/2016 12:00
I've never yet seen an internet forum that has not had a few resident trolls, I think they are a default setting!

Reasoned debate is always a good thing imo - it shows that people care.

 
Loyal of Lhasa
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
17/09/2016 12:14
Sorry to be late to welcome you to the site, Julia, but you certainly have brought some new enthusiasm along with a nicely philosophical approach - viz your reference to the footballers of Hereford.

It has been said here - in reference to you - that this is a very good time to be a Somerset supporter. I would just like to add that the past seven decades have proved an excellent time to be a Somerset supporter.



LoL

Seventy Seasons a Somerset Supporter



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Mike BOS
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
17/09/2016 12:44
I also welcome you Julia.

Even last season when the second division was not far from our thoughts we still had a very good season of entertaining CC matches at Taunton.

 
Railboy
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Railboy (IP Logged)
17/09/2016 13:17
Now, back on topic. Any chance Middlesex will get docked points for a rubbish wicket at the RDL final??

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
17/09/2016 13:47
No because The Groundsman is Not employed by them.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Grockle (IP Logged)
17/09/2016 14:06
Alec and the Surrey fora will have a lot to say later if this final goes the way it really should.

Maybe they will find a way to blame us - Tom can help them with that I suppose. Blame Matt....it's bound to be all his fault somehow,



(Sm72)

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
17/09/2016 14:36
Somebody said this track is also Tuesday's track. In which case the match is most unlikely to be a draw. So we would have to hope for a Yorkshire win But with 2 fewer bonus points than we get in a win vs Notts.

 
Bagpuss
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
17/09/2016 15:05
This isn't Tuesday's track. There's another one just to the Grandstand side of this that was being protected yesterday and today during warmups. Looks a better one too.

Apart from anything else this one's apparently been glued and you can't use a glued pitch for a Championship game within 42 days of the white ball game

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Grockle (IP Logged)
17/09/2016 16:09
Well Surrey have been destroyed on the pitch they have used. Absolute carnage from beginning to end.



(Sm72)

 
nelliec
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
nelliec (IP Logged)
17/09/2016 17:48
Whats the criteria if we finish level on points and wins with Yorkshire .

 
Roger ivanhoe
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
17/09/2016 18:01
Provided we don't lose to Notts we will only have lost 1 game, while Yorkshire will have lost 2.

 
Bagpuss
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
17/09/2016 18:01
If we finish top, level on points with Middlesex, we'll be champions because we'll have more wins.

If we finish top, level with Yorkshire, we'll have the same number of wins. But we'll be champions because we'll have fewer losses.

 
Loyal of Lhasa
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
17/09/2016 18:32
Although it is not taken into account in the final reckoning, we achieved one win against Yorkshire and had much the better of the drawn game at Taunton.



LoL

Seventy Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Bagpuss
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
17/09/2016 18:38
It would be taken into account if (1) most wins or (2) fewest losses didn't separate the teams. In that instance the tiebreaker would be points gained in head to head matches.

On this basis we'd beat Yorkshire but lose to Middlesex.

 
Loyal of Lhasa
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
17/09/2016 18:56
Thanks for that clarification, Bagpuss. I note that it is not covered in the explanation of the situation on the SCCC site.



LoL

Seventy Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
nelliec
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
nelliec (IP Logged)
17/09/2016 19:21
So realistically it could come down to us getting one more bonus point than Yorkshire it we both win, or one bonus point less than middlesex if they draw and we win. Think that's right?

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
17/09/2016 19:54
I think so

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
18/09/2016 01:01
We own all the tie-breakers.

Whatever happens, it has ended up as a very, very good CC season.

With hindsight, I fully accept CR's point about how the Middx declaration could help to prime our guys for pressure situations. We've got the job done, under pressure, since then.

On the other hand, should Middx win the CC, they shall deserve it, being unbeaten.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Scrumper (IP Logged)
18/09/2016 01:12
I can smell the Holy Grail again (Sm26)

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
18/09/2016 09:49
Forecast for both games this week is starting to look a little dodgy.

Thursday is currently not great for either venue, and Lord's may, apparently, also be hit on Tuesday. Wednesday is looking a relatively good day for both matches.

A slightly dodgy forecast makes it even more important that we prepare a result wicket, IMO.

 
Bagpuss
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
18/09/2016 13:13
Being reported that Rashid has requested NOT to play in the CC match at Lord's.

 
Bagpuss
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
18/09/2016 13:18
Yup, confirmed on YCCC site.

Yorks 13
Ballance, Bresnan, Brooks Gale, Hodd, Lees,
Lyth, Patterson, Plunkett, Rafiq, Sidebottom, Leaning, Willey.

 
sandhills
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
sandhills (IP Logged)
18/09/2016 15:05
Gale tweeted as much not a happy chappy

 
Bagpuss
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
18/09/2016 15:23
On the other hand Bairstow fit, desperate to play, but ECB have turned down Yorkshire's request.

Another exhibit in the evidence that the ECB doesn't value the county championship. We're only a couple of steps away from Graves calling it mediocre.

I want Somerset to win so much it hurts. But I also want the counties involved to be able to put out the best teams they can, to play four full days without the weather taking over and to have umpiring of the highest quality.

Then the team that ends up on top knows they are Champions.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
JuliaW (IP Logged)
18/09/2016 16:05
The Rashid decision to ask not to play seems very odd - it's hard to imagine a player not wanting to help his team win the championship.

As Bagpuss says the ECB decision on Bairstow seems totally in keeping with their total disregard for the county championship. I really cannot understand how Bairstow is not capable of playing in that game - he has apparently played just five days of cricket in the past five weeks. Hardly seems a lot of ask of a fit young man!

 
mama mia
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
mama mia (IP Logged)
18/09/2016 17:07
Thought he was available against us and didn't want to play....

 
Bagpuss
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
18/09/2016 18:34
...didn't fancy facing Allenby

 
BarmierKev
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
BarmierKev (IP Logged)
18/09/2016 19:14
Well from Middlesex perspective really thought our last game would be a shoot off against Yorkies. It looked like that shock win at Taunton kick started your season.

One thing against you is both teams need to win and will not play out a bore draw if that will give you the title. Good luck and hope you finish 2nd.



Barmy Kev
I'm only here for the tele

 
Bagpuss
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
18/09/2016 20:02
Ditto Kev 😉

 
Grizzzly
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
19/09/2016 06:00
You mean you want to finish third Kev ?

Grizzzlysmoking smiley

 
Mike BOS
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
19/09/2016 09:24
The weather today in Taunton is really horrid, there will be no chance of tomorrows pitch being uncovered in the neat future if this heavy drizzle/rain don't stop.

It's better to have rain today rather than tomorrow.

 
mikeindex
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
mikeindex (IP Logged)
19/09/2016 09:56
The forecast, for what it's worth, seems to be dry for the next four days.

So, who do we pick? It might seem perverse to change the side that outplayed Yorkshire, but even more so not to pick young Dominic now we're back at Taunton. I suppose the bowler to leave out would be Lewis, who despite his excellent innings at Headingley and the occasional timely breakthrough has not generally been at his best as a bowler lately.

Despite his magnificent early-season form, James H seems so woefully out of touch these last few weeks that I can see a case for giving him a rest, perhaps bribing in Johann who has only played three Championship matches this year but is averaging 58.

 
Bagpuss
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
19/09/2016 10:04
Yes, but death, taxes, and a September hundred at Taunton for Hildreth..

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
19/09/2016 10:35
But, 9 times out of 10 there's Not usually much riding on the final match. Will Hildreth deliver in a high pressure game? My default response would be 'no.'

However, He did do so At CLS But then That was At The End of the one season Where He had been consistently excellent (2010).

Very unlikely that he will be omitted, though.

I hope that Mr Bess is selected. It's true that Notts, M J Lumb apart, are RHBs in their top six. But there's still something to be said for the extra variety of an offie. But if it's a real result wicket then we might, possibly, opt for extra batting, in which case Mybs could play instead of one of the two spinners not named Leach that played in the most recent home game.

 
Railboy
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Railboy (IP Logged)
19/09/2016 11:38
I haven't seen anything about the Notts squad, are any of Hayles, Broad, Ball etc likely to play?

 
mikeindex
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
mikeindex (IP Logged)
19/09/2016 11:52
Nothing about the squad as yet on the Notts website.

 
Bagpuss
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
19/09/2016 11:53
I haven't seen anything from Notts but can be fairly sure Broad won't play. Don't know about the others. Hales has had a busy summer. I'd guess at no Hales but Ball may be there. We'll have to wait and see.

 
Following on
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Following on (IP Logged)
19/09/2016 12:03
Surely Hales would play on the basis he has opted out of the Bangladesh tour, so why would he need a rest?

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
19/09/2016 12:13
Ball almost certain to be available. Hales likely to be available, I'd have thought unless he opts out.

 
Angell Face
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Angell Face (IP Logged)
19/09/2016 12:34
I'm bound to say that if one of our players opted out of the Notts match because he thought he needed a rest I would be inclined to tell him to ply his trade somewhere else next year!

 
cricketjerry-mouse
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
19/09/2016 12:46
Off-spinner Matthew Carter, who took 10 wickets in the Somerset-Nottinghamshire match at Taunton last season (and hasn`t featured for the county since) is definitely playing for Notts tomorrow.

So, too, is another 20-year-old - wicket-keeper batsman Tom Moores, son of new Nottinghamshire and former England coach Peter Moores.

Both Carter and Moores have been named among the 50 or so members of the various winter performance squads named by the ECB today.

 
mama mia
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
mama mia (IP Logged)
19/09/2016 13:50
Well thats sorted by Strauss Gatting and Fraser to Umpire the Lordsmatch

 
mikeindex
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
mikeindex (IP Logged)
19/09/2016 14:21
Tom Moores, I gather, is another left-hander.

 
Roger ivanhoe
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
19/09/2016 14:30
The Somerset squad for this game is: Marcus Trescothick, Tom Abell, Chris Rogers*, James Hildreth, Jim Allenby, Peter Trego, Lewis Gregory, Roelof van der Merwe, Craig Overton, Ryan Davies+, Dom Bess, Tim Groenewald, Jack Leach, Max Waller.

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
19/09/2016 15:02
Waller is in the squad?

WSM - I think we can take it that the club are certainly aiming for another Bunsen if even MW is in the CC squad (as 4th spinner).

 
cricketharris
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
cricketharris (IP Logged)
19/09/2016 15:13
Still filthy weather in Taunton. It has rained virtually all day, that nasty, fine rain that gets things very damp indeed.

 
Roger ivanhoe
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
19/09/2016 15:42
Max Waller is likely to be acting 12th Man i expect, will save a few runs in the field.

 
Roger ivanhoe
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
19/09/2016 16:58
Nottinghamshire squad to face Somerset (from): Jake Ball, Matthew Carter, Harry Gurney, Brett Hutton, Jake Libby, Michael Lumb, Tom Moores, Steven Mullaney, Samit Patel, Chris Read (captain), Billy Root, Greg Smith and Imran Tahir.



No Alex Hales listed.

 
cricketjerry-mouse
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
19/09/2016 17:04
Billy Root, younger brother of England`s Joe, may make only his second championship appearance for Nottinghamshire at Taunton tomorrow.

He is in a squad of 13, which also includes off-spinner Matthew Carter, who took 10 wickets on his debut for Notts in this match last year, and former Leicestershire all-rounder Greg Smith who signed a new contract last week.

There is no room for last season`s leading scorer Riki Wessels, who has a good record against Somerset but was dropped two weeks ago.

Squad: Ball, Carter, Gurney, Hutton, Libby, Lumb, Moores, Mullaney, Patel, Read (c), Root, Smith and Tahir.

 
Railboy
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Railboy (IP Logged)
19/09/2016 18:24
This is not going to plan re weather forecast. Steady drizzle all morning gave way to serious rain around 3, and it's still pouring now! It needs to stop soon or there will not be a 10.30 start tomorrow.

 
Bagpuss
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Bagpuss (IP Logged)
19/09/2016 18:29
A journalist - Richard Gibson - has tweeted that the pitch for tomorrow is the same one used for the RLODC final. Which, if correct, is odd.

 
tidegoingout
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tidegoingout (IP Logged)
19/09/2016 18:50
As Trent Bridge is the only ground near me where Somerset have been playing in recent years (apart from very occasional one day games in Leicester or Derby), I'm most put out that Notts have been selfish enough to get relegated. The least they can do is roll over in the next few days to make it up to me.

As it's possible that bonus points gained will really matter, is it feasible to produce a wicket that will yield a result but also a realistic prospect of 5 batting points for us when we don't even know who will bat first? I don't know much about these things but I'm guessing that's a very tall order for a groundsman.

I think the title of this thread should have two more dahs.

 
Mike BOS
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Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
19/09/2016 19:27
So odd Bagpuss it's against the rules to use a glued pitch so soon for a first class match (SKY said it was glued)

 
BarmierKev
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BarmierKev (IP Logged)
19/09/2016 20:08
Here are the odds for title

Mid 11/8
Som 9/4
Yor 9/4

Couldn't be much tighter. Being marginal favourites does not offer me any comfort.



Barmy Kev
I'm only here for the tele

 
Beergoggles
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Beergoggles (IP Logged)
19/09/2016 20:38
Surely bonus points only come into it should Yorks win and our target must be to earn one more bonus point than they do ?

If we'd managed to creep to 400 against Yorks then bonus points would have been irrelevant except for the unlikely event of a tie. Mindset has to be to win the game first and see what transpires so the pitch can be as tricky as we can go away with.

 
tidegoingout
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tidegoingout (IP Logged)
19/09/2016 21:10
I could be wrong but I think bonus points might matter if we beat Notts whilst Middlesex and Yorkshire draw. The question then would be whether we could overhaul Middlesex. Their draw (5pts) would put them 15 points ahead of us, our win (16 pts) would put us into the lead by one, so it would be down to bonus points. Then again, a draw at Lords seems not very likely.

 
Farmer White
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Farmer White (IP Logged)
19/09/2016 21:54
New to this site. First Somerset match I saw was v Kent, Taunton, 1959. Somerset 450 all out on the first day. Peter Wight carried hi bat 222*. I can still see him cradling it as he ran up the Old Pavilion steps at CoP. I was at Chester le St.in 2010. All four days. I can still see the team desolate at the end. Who knows what we will see in or at the end of this match. What we have seen this season though, after the first few games, is a team that believes in itself, fights for every run and every wicket, never gives up, charges the opposition at every opportunity and holds the line when under pressure until they have the chance to go at the them again.

Whatever this week brings if the team goes at Notts like they have gone at everyone else (after Durham in the first game) and with an eye on as many bonus points as they can garner they can hold their heads high. And if they come out the other end of it with no-one else left standing - well, if the club lasts another 141 years - that will have been its finest hour.

And if not. Well, this time it really may be next year.

 
Beergoggles
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Beergoggles (IP Logged)
19/09/2016 21:58
Good point, worst case would see a high scoring draw at Lords with Middlesex taking 13 points and leaving us needing 350 to overtake them on number of wins.

I'd still be happy for us to close out with our third consecutive win and then see what happens. Crying shame these final games don't include some weekend play so more could get there.

 
MESSAGES->author
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JuliaW (IP Logged)
19/09/2016 22:08
Quote:
Mike TA1
So odd Bagpuss it's against the rules to use a glued pitch so soon for a first class match (SKY said it was glued)

He did subsequently tweet apologising for giving misleading information. The pitch to be used is going to be the one that was indicated by Sky on Saturday.

 
MESSAGES->author
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JuliaW (IP Logged)
19/09/2016 22:49
I see the Met Office have now updated the local forecast for Taunton and it's showing the possibility of rain up to for a few more hours yet but less than 5% chance of rain for daylight hours tomorrow. Fingers crossed that rain does not interfere with proceedings tomorrow.

I'm really excited/nervous for tomorrow so I can only imagine how those of you who have been supporters all your lives must be feeling!

 
Farmer White
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Farmer White (IP Logged)
19/09/2016 23:22
Quote:
JuliaW

I'm really excited/nervous for tomorrow so I can only imagine how those of you who have been supporters all your lives must be feeling!

Pretty sanguine now about the four days really. Always am before the start of a match especially a do or die one.

Once it starts won't be able to take the eye off it for a second and the butterflies will grow exponentially the longer we have a chance ofthe Championship.

If we were to get to the point where we have the winning it in our hands (like 2010 - half of the last day) i.e. Yorks have won and we have one more bonus point than them, then it becomes truly unbearable and lasts for an eternity which seems to go on longer than all the years you have lived so far.

If we get near actually winning with the Championship hanging on it the legs will lose all co-ordination, the heart will push through the rib cage, the eyes will not be able to bear to watch and if the winning moment approaches an out of body experience takes over and then in an instant it will be over - and never a first championship again.

And if it doesn't happen with a bit of luck you might get the chance to go through it all again next year.

Welcome to supporting Somerset.

 
Bagpuss
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Bagpuss (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 00:29
The trouble with the bonus point situation is these will be established on day 1 or 2 and the teams in the other match can then adjust their game plan accordingly.

Eg if Somerset bats first and only makes 250-299, then Middlesex will know if they can hang in to get 350 a draw will do whatever the Taunton result, whilst Yorkshire will know 250 enough so long as they get the win.

After a lot of thought - it took me seven hours to drive down today, most of it occupied with bonus point calculations - I have come to the conclusion that unless Somerset have a Durham-game type track prepared I would feel happier seeing us bowl first. Obviously we can't unearthly a green top in the morning like we did for Middlesex or they'll just choose to bowl, but they have a couple of spinners with them expecting it to turn, we've named 4. Makes it mire likely they'll go for the toss and if they win bat first.

Why do I want us to bowl first? Well I believe Notts strong point is their bowling, esp seam bowling; it is their batting that has let them down this season. Our side will be nervous - who can blame them - and taking the field together, in front of what will hopefully be a big, artisan home crowd, may be better for settling the nerves than coming out one ar a time to gace a bowler who took a hat trick in a recent match. And finally we HAVE to take 20 wickets in this match and the sooner we start the more likely we ate to do this before time runs out. When push comes to shove I'd rather be watching us chase runs on a day 4 pitch, than watching our bowlers toil for nowt on a pitch that us getting flatter and slower.

All this depends on just what is served up underfoot of course. And that is a lot of garbled thoughts from me cos I can't sleep

 
Grizzzly
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Grizzzly (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 01:42
Wishing all at HQ good luck tomorrow and for the next few days.

Let's hope for a good game, some fine performances, the result we all wish for and a bit of assistance from the game at Lord's.

Will log on tomorrow with anticipation, and not a little trepidation !!

Grizzzly, (temporarily of the Yukon !)

 
MESSAGES->author
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Grockle (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 04:27
Yes. Will follow the first couple of days before making a decision about my location on Friday afternoon and leave it partly to fate as well.

We'll have a pretty good idea by Wednesday evening I hope.



(Sm72)

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 06:22
I think it'll turn square, Bagpuss. So I imagine that there will be a toss and that Mr Rogers will unhesitatingly bat first, should he win it.

However, by the law of averages, I suspect we're due to lose one of these tosses on these sort of home tracks.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016:09:20:06:36:57 by AGod.

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 06:35
Forecast notably worse for Lord's than for Taunton.

Word is that we'd be unlucky to catch any rain at all over the four days in Taunton.

Today, Thursday and Friday are all considered days where there may be showers in St John's Wood.

 
Bagpuss
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Bagpuss (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 08:03
If we bat first and repeat our first innings v Warks or Durham it'll be all over today. ☹

 
geordie moonraker
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geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 08:09
My rational head says that we shall nearly get there but not quite. My unrational Somerset supporting head is working out what time I have to leave on Thursday or Friday to drive the length of the country.

Have a great day folks.

 
Farmer White
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Farmer White (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 08:18
Not sure any of these pitches have turned square thought the odd ball has. They have turned but pretty evenly and Leach gets some bounce with the newer ball. We have tended to bat less badly than the opposition against the spin but there have been some woeful shots. If it turns like the recent pitches the key will be how disciplined our batting is and at the top of our second innings against Warks we showed we can do disciplined batting. If our bowlers bowl as they have most of this season we will out bowl them, Ball possibly apart. The riskiest part will be this morning if they put us in.

 
Mike BOS
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Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 08:20
The weather is very cloudy but not raining, it rained well into the night and it looks very wet this morning with damp areas still on the road.

The covers were off the square just after seven this morning, I am wondering how dry the pitch is after being covered all of yesterday.

 
Sloop John B
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Sloop John B (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 08:21
Thanks Farmer White. Pretty well sums up my emotional state too.

Baggie I love the idea of all those artisans 😂

Wish the players good luck and all our fans too! It's going to be a bumpy ride I suspect az we never do things simply!

 
Mike BOS
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Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 08:27
The sad part about today is having that last square on your free scorecard card stamped knowing it is the last match of the season.

Saying that there is one thing that will put a smile on my face on Friday.

 
Bagpuss
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Bagpuss (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 08:43
Press box cake may reflect the match
Day 1 - passion fruit
Day 2 - lemon drizzle
Day 3 - rocky road
Day 4 - cup cakes!

 
Following on
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Following on (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 09:03
Dare to dream!!

Maybe just maybe this is the week we have all been waiting for - us hope so.

 
Shepton Paul 2
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 09:25
I'm loving Farmer White - you're very welcome sir (or madam)!

Too much in my head already to do bonus point calculations - what will be will be - but I've said my prayers extra diligently this morning.

Go well everyone, wish I could be there...

 
Clarence Parker
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Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 09:31
"And that is a lot of garbled thoughts from me cos I can't sleep."

Poor you, Bagpuss. Certainly garbled and most definitely analytical.

To those who will be attending, simply enjoy the last county cricket that you will see until next year. Don't expect too much and you won't be disappointed; you may even be pleasantly surprised.

This is after all Somerset who as we all know haven't won the County Championship in 125 years. Members have shied away from their death beds in the desire to see us win it before they depart this life. Perhaps they will have to hang on a bit longer after Friday. Who knows?

We keep saying "Perhaps this year we will win the CC". Perhaps, but if not there will be one year when we will.

I would like to be there witnessing the comments from 'The Pit of Hate' (have any others discovered its permanent location?) but other things have unfortunately got in the way. Not only will I miss the cricket, but also saying au revoir to a number of friends who hopefully will survive the Winter.

Enjoy the cricket - I shall be there in spirit, and good fortune to Somerset et al.

 
mikeindex
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mikeindex (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 09:57
Word on the club website is that the outfield is still a bit damp but not so much so as to prevent a prompt start. Definitely cloudy here so possibly bowl-first conditions but it will surely be a bat-first wicket.
Apparently a prompt start is expected at Lord's too, where conditions are similar.

 
doc h
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doc h (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 10:11
And we are batting

 
Shepton Paul 2
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Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 10:18
Both sides playing three spinners!

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 10:51
I have to say that the Middx side looks much stronger than Yorks to me.

Robson lbw Brooks for a duck, however.

 
Rod1883
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Rod1883 (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 11:22
Middx 33-2, and so are we 33-2, Tres and Abell gone. Need a Captains innings now Mr Rogers

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 11:36
Tom on as a runner for Hildreth (nicked ball into some part of his lower leg).

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 11:46
Malan b Willey 22...

 
cricketharris
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cricketharris (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 11:52
Hildreth's foot injury seems to be getting worse. He can barely walk but is struggling on.

 
Rod1883
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Rod1883 (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 12:00
BBC commentary says the ball hit his ankle.
Hopefully nothing broken. Need to get him to lunch, get some ice and strapping on it so he can continue, and bat second innings

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 12:25
Sounds a satisfactory morning, not only because we have a decent score but because, per reports, track is turning before lunch on Day one, again.

 
cricketharris
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cricketharris (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 13:13
Hildreth still batting but not running after lunch. 100x2

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 13:28
Things look very even at Lord's but the good thing, from our point of view, is that neither side currently looks like running away with that match (and thus getting a huge haul of bonus points as well as a win).

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 13:32
Well played, Chris Rogers.

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 13:42
Eskinazi b Brooks 12.

A lot seems to hinge on Nick Gubbins now, at Lord's, from a Middx stand-point.

The Yorkshire batting line-up looks fairly flimsy to me, at least on paper, so with overhead conditions potentially in favouring the ball throughout, they may well fail to get many bonus points.

 
Rod1883
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Rod1883 (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 13:47
Trouble is of course AG that a draw looks unlikely at Lords, so we need a Yorkshire win with as few bonus points as possible. A flimsy Yorks batting line up is a concern

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 14:55
I'm not so sure that a draw is all that unlikely, The scorecard thus far implies that It may be a slow and turgid track....stalemate, really, thus far.

 
Monkey Butler
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Monkey Butler (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 14:56
We're halfway there, but will need to step it up when/if the time comes to get full points. As long as Middlesex don't win we have a great chance.

 
hantssabre
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hantssabre (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 14:56
Excellent Captains knock, well played CR

 
Following on
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Following on (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 15:53
What are people's thoughts on the pitch? Is this stand indicative of a flat track or just very good batting by our lads?

 
hantssabre
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
hantssabre (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 15:56
Congrats to Long John Hildy, what a hero!

 
Following on
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Following on (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 15:59
Whatever happens in this round of matches all the Somerset players are heroes!! Especially Chris Rogers and James Hildreth.
Later in the game arise Sir Jack Leach (I hope).

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 16:07
Great stuff.

The commentators seem to think that plenty of balls have turned, including one from Patel that took off past Chris Read as though it had caught the shoulder of CR's bat, yet was given as byes.

 
Streeter
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Streeter (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 16:25
The excitement is rising in downtown Le Pouget. Actually there has been no discernable interest in my part of rural France .And this seems a good moment to thank Grock for hosting this bearpit ( big LOL)and all of you who contribute. It is remarkable how connected I feel to Taunton while those around me have no idea why I spend so much time listening to le cricket ( and thanks to the BBC also for making that happen).I know it gets a bit rocky sometimes but really this site is the BEST.
Everything looks good , right now, but expect some rollercoatering.Here's to whatever ending
it's quite a ride.

 
Following on
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Following on (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 16:30
As you said it Streeter the roller coaster has just hit a bend - hang on!

 
Nailsea_Fizz
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Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 16:33
Well I stood to applaud, got some strange looks in the office

 
Nailsea_Fizz
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 16:35
Please no late in the day collapse.

 
Rod1883
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 16:53
Picture of Hildreth's foot/ankle on BBC - [www.bbc.co.uk]

 
Following on
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Following on (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 16:56
James Hildreth's ankle is not a pretty sight... makes his effort today even more comendable.

[twitter.com]

 
Rod1883
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 17:18
This is a bit of a wobble 322-6.
Need to get the 4th batting point at least now

 
Following on
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Following on (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 17:19
Opps sorry Rod1883 the moral of the story is look before you post.

This mid innings collapse is a worry, or is it? No mileage in a flat track draw.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Scrumper (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 17:19
Cricinfo stuck on 307-5

 
Rod1883
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 17:20
Three wickets lost on 322!
Now 322-7, need to get those 28 runs....

 
Following on
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Following on (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 17:21
322-7 Oh no, need at least 350.

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 17:24
So long as Yorks don't fold twice then the three batting points that we have plus the three that we shall get for bowling should be enough to win the CC!

Middx look likely to drop at lesst one batting point. In which case they could only gain 12 points from a draw vs the 22 that we shall gain and with us holding the tie-break.

Hence, I feel this collapse is liable to prove immaterial.

 
Rod1883
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 17:26
Following on - I agree that it could be good news for our bowlers and achieving a win, but four wickets lost now on the same score isn't helping my blood pressure, or getting to that vital 4th batting point.

I must admit I was a little concerned when I saw no TG or JA to bolster the tail's batting



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Rod1883
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 17:32
Well, flippin heck - 322-9.
5 wickets lost on 322!
Will we get that 4th batting point?
Do we need it?
Should we have had another batter in the line up?
Interesting times!

 
Following on
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Following on (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 17:34
What most James H and Chris Rogers be thinking! Losing 7 for 20 after a stand of 269. Where is the roller coaster going to next. Thank the lord that's it for the day.

 
Nailsea_Fizz
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 17:42
It's a shame our solid number 5 of late isn't playing.

 
rodders12
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
rodders (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 18:02
Only Somerset could achieve such rubbish I am afraid !

 
Shepton Paul 2
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 18:31
I suspect it's not just 'rubbish' but the new ball, bouncier for the spinner and swinging in the gloom for Ball, picking up wickets that Notts should've had earlier in the day, but for the brilliance of Rogers and Hildreth.

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 18:46
Had we not collapsed, SP, folks would be fretting about whether we had somehow contrived a flat-track. I think losing 7,654 wickets for 3 runs has put that notion to rest!

 
nelliec
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nelliec (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 19:03
The good news is that unless Middlesex score 400 run in there first inning (highly unlucky) a draw would not be good enough for Middlesex to pass us , if we win with 22 points

 
Following on
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Following on (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 19:49
No one thought it would be easy! It never is, but it's not 95 all out by lunch. We're still in it, and our team doesn't know when it's beaten. And breath! Dare to dream.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
JuliaW (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 20:16
well that was an interesting day for sure. The late order collapse puts the terrific performances from Rogers and the one legged Hildy into perspective. Great effort from the two of them and Abel too.

It was great to meet some of the Grockle board members today - many thanks for your welcome to 'the hill' - I hope to be back again on Thursday. smiling smiley

 
Sloop John B
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Sloop John B (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 20:33
Indeed a strange day! Only two players have looked fairly comfortable at the socket which suggests there is enough to keep both seamers and spinners interested.

I hope our intensive bowling and excellent ground fielding will prove too much for a not too strong Notre batting line up.

Good to meet you Julia and share banter with other Grockles !!

 
Wickham
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Wickham (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 21:03
Has anyone ever remarked that it's a funny old game?

In mid-afternoon, it seemed that we were playing against West Bagborough Seconds. As soon as Rogers was out, it seemed to be the West Indies of the 1960s.

Rogers and Hildreth played superbly. No praise can be too great for the Emperor: he was clearly in huge pain and his movements were severely restricted, but he found ways of adapting shots to take account of his restricted movements.

If this turns out to be Rogers' final first-class match (and I very much hope that it doesn't), what a way to bow out.

The less said about the rest of the batting (with the exception, albeit briefly, of Trescothick), the better.

It was very good to sit with a group of Grocklites. Any others who care to join us are likely to find us at the pavilion end of Gimblett Hill (near Mike the Lens).

 
Tumbles
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Tumbles (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 21:06
Really could do with scrapping to 350. That would mean a Yorks win would need to be by same amount. Given they are likely to lose 10-14 overs a day based on today's bad light reading that would be some achievement.

At least we know the pitch isn't flat..

 
geordie moonraker
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 21:11
We are still in it just. If we get no more batting points an win I think we get 225
MSex draw gives I think 218 plus bonus. 3 for bowling is 221 so they need another 2 batting points. A Yorks win gives 220 plus bonus so they need 6 in total. EandOE what a season.

 
Mike BOS
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 21:13
Somerset v Notts first day photos.

Today is all about two players Chris Rogers and James Hildreth for their combined score of 267.

James Hildreth should be given a medal for bravery after all the pain he went through today, I saw a photo of his injury (thanks to Bagpuss) and you wouldn't want to see it if you have a weak stomach.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2016%20Somerset%20Photos/Specsavers%20County%20Championship%20Cricket/Somerset%20v%20Notts%20starting%2020th%20September%202016/Peter%20Trego%20lbw%20Jake%20Ball.jpg

Several players did last long, Peter Trego was one of them lbw to Jake Ball.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2016%20Somerset%20Photos/Specsavers%20County%20Championship%20Cricket/Somerset%20v%20Notts%20starting%2020th%20September%202016/Lewis%20Gregory%20bld%20Imran%20Tahir.jpg

Lewis Gregory was another player that didn't last long bowled by Imran Tahir.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2016%20Somerset%20Photos/Specsavers%20County%20Championship%20Cricket/Somerset%20v%20Notts%20starting%2020th%20September%202016/James%20Hildreth%20ct%20Chris%20Read%20bld%20Brett%20Hutton.jpg

When James Hildreth was out ct Chris Read bld Brett Hutton most of the Notts player went over to him to shake his hand.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2016%20Somerset%20Photos/Specsavers%20County%20Championship%20Cricket/Somerset%20v%20Notts%20starting%2020th%20September%202016/Chris%20Rogers%20ct%20Steven%20Mallaney%20bld%20Jake%20Ball.jpg

After a very good innings from Chris Rogers he was out caught Steven Mallaney bowled Jake Ball.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2016%20Somerset%20Photos/Specsavers%20County%20Championship%20Cricket/Somerset%20v%20Notts%20starting%2020th%20September%202016/James%20Hildreth%20100%20runs.jpg

When the brave James Hildreth reached his 100 Chris Rogers gave him a hug and the crowd stood and clapped.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2016%20Somerset%20Photos/Specsavers%20County%20Championship%20Cricket/Somerset%20v%20Notts%20starting%2020th%20September%202016/Chris%20Rogers%20100%20runs%20with%20James%20Hildreth.jpg

And the same happened when Chris Rogers reached his 100, this time it was James Hildreth who hobbled over from square leg to give Chris a hug, and the crowd stood and clapped.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2016%20Somerset%20Photos/Specsavers%20County%20Championship%20Cricket/Somerset%20v%20Notts%20starting%2020th%20September%202016/James%20Hildreth%20hurt%20again%20after%20playing%20this%20shot.jpg

This shot that James Hildreth played gave him so much pain I thought he must go off the field, but he bravely stayed on.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2016%20Somerset%20Photos/Specsavers%20County%20Championship%20Cricket/Somerset%20v%20Notts%20starting%2020th%20September%202016/James%20Hildreth%20having%20a%20drink%20while%20hurt.jpg

Even when the batsmen had a drinks break James Hildreth sat on the ground while they had a drink.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2016%20Somerset%20Photos/Specsavers%20County%20Championship%20Cricket/Somerset%20v%20Notts%20starting%2020th%20September%202016/Marcus%20Trescothick%20ct%20Chris%20Read%20bld%20Jake%20Ball.jpg

Marcus Trescothick driving at a ball from Jake Ball got an edge and was caught behind by Chris Read.

 
Tumbles
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Tumbles (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 21:27
Quote:
geordie moonraker
We are still in it just. If we get no more batting points an win I think we get 225
MSex draw gives I think 218 plus bonus. 3 for bowling is 221 so they need another 2 batting points. A Yorks win gives 220 plus bonus so they need 6 in total. EandOE what a season.

Middlesex would need a full set of bonus points on assumption of Somerset winning with 22 points. 13 points would put them on 226 to our 225. If they finish on 225 we'd win on more wins in season. To get full bonus points they would need 192 off 28 overs. The new ball is two overs old and they've got five wickets left. They'd need to go at 6.8 an over. It's not going to happen.

York win is more likely and painful. Again we could have finished level and won on head to head. However they only need to match our points haul. 22 points seems achievable. 23 harder, 24 very tough. We really really need to try and get to 23 if we can and hope either Middlesex continue to bat slow in morning and stop the last bonus bowling point (4 wickets in 28 overs) or the Middlesex bowlers restrict them to under 300..

 
Railboy
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Railboy (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 21:33
So, all things considered, are we in a better place to win the championship at the end of today than we were at the beginning? I would say yes.

 
Tumbles
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Tumbles (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 21:44
Quote:
Railboy
So, all things considered, are we in a better place to win the championship at the end of today than we were at the beginning? I would say yes.

It's all on the assumption of Somerset winning but

1) a Middlesex win always going to be too much for us

2) a draw at Lords will be fine now baring something extraordinary

3) a Yorks win of 21 points of less is already covered.

We could have been close to putting 3) to bed without such a collapse. Tomorrows morning session will some say in it..

 
LordHester
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
LordHester (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 21:47
Quote:
Tumbles
York win is more likely and painful. Again we could have finished level and won on head to head. However they only need to match our points haul. 22 points seems achievable. 23 harder, 24 very tough. We really really need to try and get to 23 if we can and hope either Middlesex continue to bat slow in morning and stop the last bonus bowling point (4 wickets in 28 overs) or the Middlesex bowlers restrict them to under 300..

I'm pretty sure it's the case that if we're level on points with Yorkshire at the end, then we benefit because they will have won the same number of games, but lost one more.

EDIT: sorry, on reading again, I see what you mean – that they need to match our points tally in this game.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016:09:20:21:49:22 by LordHester.

 
Bagpuss
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 21:56
That's true LH. So Middlesex now know they have to win. Yorkshire also know they have to win. They will also know by the time they start to bat how many runs they have to get to match Somerset's bonus points for this match.
This does, of couse, assume Somerset beat Notts whilst all three teams attain full batting points.

Is it too much to hope Middlesex can continue their sedate progress for another 28 overs whilst only losing a further 3 wickets, thus denying Yorkshire a third bowling point.

 
Tumbles
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Tumbles (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 21:58
Quote:
LordHester
Quote:
Tumbles
York win is more likely and painful. Again we could have finished level and won on head to head. However they only need to match our points haul. 22 points seems achievable. 23 harder, 24 very tough. We really really need to try and get to 23 if we can and hope either Middlesex continue to bat slow in morning and stop the last bonus bowling point (4 wickets in 28 overs) or the Middlesex bowlers restrict them to under 300..

I'm pretty sure it's the case that if we're level on points with Yorkshire at the end, then we benefit because they will have won the same number of games, but lost one more.

EDIT: sorry, on reading again, I see what you mean – that they need to match our points tally in this game.

Yes they are one point ahead of us - that stumping of TG last week could prove telling!

 
Mike BOS
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 22:03
A photo of James H ankle is on this link of the match. [www.ecb.co.uk]

 
WeAreSomerset
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
WeAreSomerset (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 22:06
Gutted.

Feels like a massive missed opportunity.

 
WeAreSomerset
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
WeAreSomerset (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 22:07
I was at Lords for a bit today.

Dreadfully slow wicket.

Could help us.

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 22:09
Railboy - I agree, you are right.

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 22:11
Bagpuss - it would seem very unlikely that Middx will get full batting points - extremely unlikely.

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 22:12
Yes, I think the awful track at Lord's (pudding) could swing things for us, by preventing a result there.

 
WeAreSomerset
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
WeAreSomerset (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 22:12
Was it turning much today?

 
Bagpuss
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 22:13
Quote:
Bagpuss
Yes, but death, taxes, and a September hundred at Taunton for Hildreth..

*coughs quietly*

 
Bagpuss
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 22:17
AG thats why I say Middlesex now know they have to win. They are not going to get enough bonus points to beat us with a draw (assuming Somerset win, having secured max bowling points)

 
Farmer White
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Farmer White (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 22:39
Here is my take on the day as posted on Cricinfo:

"Well this is the Somerset way! A long awaited second hundred from Rogers, a captain who has been worth his place for the transformation he has wrought. An innings of true cricket heroism from Hildreth. From the stands you could feel the pain of his excruciatingly slow hobbles to and from square leg to face after a single. 128 runs on one leg in four hours. Not since Botham carried on to win a match after Andy Roberts knocked his teeth out in 1974 has Somerset witnessed such a sight and Botham did not bat four hours. It was that brave. Then from the Olympian heights of 302-2 the spectacle of a classic Somerset collapse to 322-9. 'Twas ever thus and if Somerset are ever to win the Championship you would suspect it will be done in this way. If they do win the Championship this week James Hildreth's hundred will rank in Somerset's folklore with Harold Gimblett's Lawrence Trophy winning hundred on debut in 1935. It was that good."

The butterflies are churning today. With Middlesex and Yorkshire chasing points tomorrow the heart will start to pump. Let us hope by Thursday it is starting to pound against the rib cage and by Friday the strength starts to go from the legs. For the moment the butterflies show we are still close enough to our course although another 28 runs in the morning will really set them afluttering given the state of play at Lords.

Up Somerset and at' em!

 
Clarence Parker
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 22:46
Did anything of major interest come from the club's Q & A meeting tonight?

Was anybody there?

 
mikeindex
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
mikeindex (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 22:58
Drop Hildreth. Good call.

 
wsm fan
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
wsm fan (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 23:22
All attendees were politely asked to adopt NDA's!

 
Wickham
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Wickham (IP Logged)
20/09/2016 23:42
A belated welcome, JCW. I am enjoying your posts.

 
Bagpuss
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 05:53
I don't think it should go without mention yesterdays contribution by Tom Abell to a record 3rd wicket partnership against Notts was exemplary. To 'bat' for around 4 hours and 250 runs, without actually facing a ball, required immense concentration. There was not a single instance where there was a mix up in calling for a run between him and Rogers. Yet the record books won't show his part in this passage of play.

I bet Somerset's other 'out' batsman at the time of Hildreth's injury was mightily relieved he had a younger colleague to send out as Hildreth's runner.

 
Grizzzly
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 06:07
Yes, welcome JCW, to the eventful world of SCCC !

I was in a good place when I saw we were 200 odd for 2, but did not enjoy the evening when I discovered what happened later. So seemingly unexpected, yet so utterly consistent with our approach over the decades of rarely making life easy for ourselves.

Still, we are still 'in the mix' so let's hope today brings good things. 350 with the bat would be great, but whatever happens there, let's make sure we bowl tightly, accurately and with conviction.

As for James, to score a big hundred with that injury, must have been a simply herculian effort, without which our Championship hopes would surely be over.

The same goes for CR, who chose a great time to come good. No matter what the outcome of this game, as he ponders his future, the lyrics of a song by KC & the Sunshine Band seem appropriate:

Please don't go,
Don't go,
Don't go away.
Please don't go,
Don't go,
I'm begging you to stay

Grizzzly

 
geordie moonraker
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 08:11
I think we are in slightly worse place than yesterday, but it was always likely to be. Always assuming that we win with bowling points then as said above the Msex draw is out of the reckoning and they have to win as they always did to be sure. A Yorkshire draw is also out of the reckoning so Yorks need to win with 6 bonus points. They have 1 . One more bowling point means score 350 or 2 more score 300. Ideally our last 2 will score 28 this morning.
Never a dull moment-except at Lord's where dull moments at 4.30 f0r the next 3 days would be welcome

 
mikeindex
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
mikeindex (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 08:22
Excellent post Bagpuss regarding Tom Abell. I had it in mind to post something similar last night if I'd had more time and energy by the time I got online, but you have put it much better than I could.
Thans also for sharing the picture of James' ankle, which successfully put me off my food for the rest of the day.
Well said too Farmer White for a beautifully written mini-article.

 
cricketharris
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
cricketharris (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 08:47
I would like to add my thanks to Tom Abell. It struck me how lonely it seemed to be for him as neither of the batsmen Included him in their discussions at the wicket nor speak to him. To concentrate for that long period without putting a foot wrong was indeed exemplary. Very well done, Tom.

 
Farmer White
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Farmer White (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 08:49
Thank you all for the welcome.

As I reflect this morning on all the calculations of the points I wonder if the real point to focus on today is the Yorks middle and lower order. Is it strong enough to resist the Middlesex attack? As that question is answered we may start to get a clearer answer to how important Gubbins' innings is and to where this Championship is going.

Whilst that story is unfolding our bowlers now hold the key. Sustained pressure from them and some resulting wickets will put pressure not only on Notts but also on both sides at Lords. They may have as much effect on that match as on this. Which way that pressure might work is one of the great mysteries of cricket.

Such is cricket and for those of us who support Somerset in all this: Oh the joy of perpetual purgatory.

 
Clarence Parker
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 09:02
"All attendees were politely asked to adopt NDA's!"

Well, if that is true, one imagines that some sensational and / or confidential matters were disclosed. If that is the case, it goes entirely against the grain for Somerset CCC.

(Sm14)

 
tonysmalltoes
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
tonysmalltoes (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 09:14
It's four years since I last posted on Grockles (and then only once!), but I have logged on on to view the discussions for almost every day of every game across all these seasons. Thanks to all you members for sharing your thoughts and photos - it's such a warm feeling being on this site - to know there are others as obsessed by the fortunes of SCCC!

I have a good feeling about today. My gut instinct is early wickets will lead to a collapse from Notts, so breakthroughs from Lewis and Craig would make life much easier for the spin triplets. I think the big wickets may be their young batsmen (Moores and Libby) who will still be keen to make an impression. I got the feeling Samit might have been on holiday already, when listening to the commentary yesterday; I really hope so!

Anyway, can't wait for things to get going again today. The wickets last night have just moved the game on a bit (obviously would have preferred that to have happened 80 runs later), which is advantageous for us and i think I'd rather be playing on our wicket than at Lord's when in need of a win or a high scoring draw. We'll see.

I wish I could get to Taunton this week, but I'm stuck in Lancs and then off on an end of season cricket tour to France on Thursday. Ridiculous, I know!

 
Beergoggles
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Beergoggles (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 11:03
You beauty Dom Bess. I think that takes the Middx v Yorks draw off the table ?

 
geordie moonraker
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 11:08
Dom Bess will never score more valuable runs...and under pressure.That changes all the calculations.

 
mikeindex
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
mikeindex (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 11:08
What an absolute gem of a knock by young Dombess (who has now achieved a career-best every time he has batted in first-class cricket). Is there nothing this boy can't do?
Ably assisted of course by Jack, and also a bit by Tahir.

 
mikeindex
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
mikeindex (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 11:14
Gubbins gone - Yorkshire holding on to a slip catch by way of variation.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Grockle (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 11:19
Top order stuff Dom Bess... would anyone have given us 365 last thing yesterday. It is great when players stand tall when there is only them to hold the line. What an impressive young man this one is.



(Sm72)

 
geordie moonraker
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 11:24
So our present hope is that Yorks take no more than 2 wickets in the next 13 overs which will help. what are the odds on the 9th wicket in the 110th?

 
Sloop John B
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Sloop John B (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 11:36
#VeryAbell

 
Monkey Butler
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Monkey Butler (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 11:55
I'm not sure if Middlesex are playing this right, they look to be trying to bat Yorkshire out of the title race. If Yorkshire don't get a 3rd batting point and also fall just short of 400 then they probably won't listen to a competitive declaration later in the day. Maybe Middlesex are thinking if they can demoralise Yorks they can roll them over.

 
Rod1883
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 12:01
Yorks just taken 8th wicket.
6 overs to prevent another Middx

 
Shepton Paul 2
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 12:03
What's Notts' follow-on target: is it 166 or 216?

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Grockle (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 12:10
You need to keep me abreast of this people I have a decision to make in the next 6 to 8 hours about 1am Omani time on Friday. It really is in the balance at the moment. At the end of today's play I need to assess the balance of probability of relevant play on Day 4 of these two games.

Yesterday afternoon the loss of wickets for almost nothing put things one way and now Dom Bess has rebalanced them to some extent.

Omanair still have the flight...



(Sm72)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016:09:21:12:19:44 by Grockle.

 
Monkey Butler
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Monkey Butler (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 12:16
Yorkshire have the 3rd bowling point sad smiley

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Grockle (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 12:21
and the pendulum swings

(Sm124)



(Sm72)

 
mikeindex
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
mikeindex (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 13:09
@SP it's 216.
Middx managing to bat out the 110 overs with eight down would have been useful.
Now, by my calculations, if Middx can keep Yorkshire to under 350, a win here will get us the title unless Middx go on to win the match (I'm assuming full bowling points for us as if we don't get those we presumably won't win anyway). If Yorks score 350+ and go on to win, the Championship is theirs whatever we do.
If Yorks hadn't got that third bowling point it would have been 400.
Conversely, in the event of a draw at Lord's, a win here will make it our title whatever happens in the Yorkshire innings.
Distinct turn and bounce for our spin twins. Bess (5-5-0-0 at lunch) could have had Moores any number of times.

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 13:21
I should like to congratulate our visitors on their level of stoicism, thus far. They are doing Middx proud. Dom Bess looks one hell of a prospect. Nice, high action and a good pivot, gives it a rip and very accurate. Beat Moores 3 times in an over about 15 mins before lunch.

We need a couple of wickets soon or we shall be leaving bowling points on the table.

 
Rod1883
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 13:24
We're rattling through the overs, but have to get those 9 wickets before 110 overs.
Worth a bit of variation from each end now?

 
Rod1883
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 13:26
Well done DB.

Also Yorks 14-1

 
Rod1883
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 13:47
Yorks 32-3!
3 ducks in the innings so far!

 
Rod1883
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 13:49
We're almost one third of the way through the 110 overs.
Time for seam/swing at one end, spin at the other?

 
Tumbles
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Tumbles (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 14:00
Title momentum swinging towards Middlesex. Need a couple of wickets and some sort of backbone from Yorks..

 
Beergoggles
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Beergoggles (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 14:02
Patience is key, as our first innings showed.

Anyone at the ground able to comment on the pitch ? Is it only a minefield when the score's on 322 ? Any movement, spin, remote controlled pigeons to distract the batsman ?

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 14:18
Libby nicked a couple from VDM wide of Tres (both in the same over). And he's just been badly beaten by Jack. Definitely still some turn in the track.

But I think Yorks have given up since they knew that Dizzy was off. They look a pathetic bunch, really.

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 14:19
But we are not looking remotely like getting Lumb out.

 
geordie moonraker
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 14:21
If Yorkshire don't show a bit of grit soon they will follow on and what happens at Taunton becomes irrelevant.

 
Beergoggles
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Beergoggles (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 14:23
Lets finish with a bang regardless. At least we'll come second and we can spend all winter debating the merits of the declaration at home to Middx.

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 14:23
Hodd at six is a joke. Garbage, garbage Yorks.

 
Rod1883
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 14:35
Well done again Dom, let's get another quick couple out.

On Yorkshire - to be fair o them, which is hard I know, they are missing key players. Lehmann gone back home, Bairstow not allowed to play by Strauss (of England and Middlesex!)

 
yorkie3
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
yorkie3 (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 14:43
yep, many apologies for not showing any backbone against middlesex....but it has been surgically removed by the ecb.

you guys should not complain too much, just last week, you were the benefactors of the ecb surgeons.....at least you will become runners up.

 
Rod1883
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 14:45
No need for that Yorkie.
Disappear off to your own forum.

 
Rod1883
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 15:08
Yorkshire easing their way up to avoiding the follow on, good news

 
Monkey Butler
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Monkey Butler (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 15:09
We can start dreaming of a follow on now. Yorks might avoid theirs as well!

 
Beergoggles
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Beergoggles (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 15:15
Notts 120 for 6 at tea, SCCC doing all they can do at the moment. Come on lads.

 
mikeindex
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
mikeindex (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 15:22
Oh they say love's for gamblers...
Quote:
Grockle
and the pendulum swings...
I bet hard on love and I lost everything...
- Richard Thompson.

Says it all about following Somerset really.



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mikeindex
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
mikeindex (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 15:33
Quote:
yorkie3
yep, many apologies for not showing any backbone against middlesex....but it has been surgically removed by the ecb.
you guys should not complain too much, just last week, you were the benefactors of the ecb surgeons.....at least you will become runners up.

In fairness Yorkie3, "we guys" are not complaining - just one of us who is notorious for making premature, sweeping and over-psychologised judgements.

Good fightback by Bresnan and Hodd, but a long way to go yet.

 
mikeindex
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
mikeindex (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 15:40
Splendid afternoon's work from our boys. The stumping of Patel was as slick a piece of work as I've ever seen.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
JuliaW (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 15:46
138 all out.

I leave my desk for a few minutes and it's all over for the Notts first innings.

Blinding performance from all the lads!

 
Beergoggles
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Beergoggles (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 15:52
We don't want the Yorkies to do too much. As slow 349 all out would do me.

 
Sommarston
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Sommarston (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 16:01
Am I missing something? Why are we batting again? None of the bowlers can be that tired............can they?

 
stevecav
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
stevecav (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 16:02
Anyone able to explain why we haven't enforced the follow on??

 
mikeindex
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
mikeindex (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 16:07
As usual, I do not agree with the decision not to enforce the follow-on - Bagpuss may not concur...

 
Rod1883
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 16:14
I can only assume that they want to bat Notts out of the game, rather than risk a small but awkward run chase on the 4th day with the pitch deteriorating. Also I've just heard on BBC 5L Extra that Hildreth has a fracture so won't bat again.

 
geoff_k
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
geoff_k (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 16:27
I would never presume to fathom the mind of an Aussie but given the way Notts batted they might want to let the pitch deteriorate further. Who knows?

 
geordie moonraker
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 17:00
One of the other factors is the rate at which we bowled our overs. We have in effect given ourselves 40 or 50 minutes extra tonight to score runs wh8ich won't carry over tomorrow. Yorks showing commendable grit ( anyone in Yorkshire complaining that Hodd is playing instead of Bairstow) but enough is enough and wickets are now allowed to fall...and as I type Hodd goes.

 
mikeindex
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
mikeindex (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 17:22
So we have to wait till next year for Marcus to go past the Great Harold Gimblett's record of Somerset hundreds. Oh well.
Ryan showing an idiosyncratic approach to the role of nightwatchman. Funky.

 
Beergoggles
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Beergoggles (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 17:26
Getting a bit nervous of Bresnan and the Yorkies now (great name for a band). They're over half way to the 350 they need to spoil our season.

 
Beergoggles
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Beergoggles (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 17:26
Getting a bit nervous of Bresnan and the Yorkies now (great name for a band). They're over half way to the 350 they need to spoil our season.

 
Bagpuss
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 18:26
Yep I agree not to enforce follow on.
Not yet a half way point, pitch turning and deteriorating. They have 3 spinners, 2 with international experience plus a tall, test standard quick. Wouldn't fancy chasing 150 on last day (especially starting one batsman down)

Plus keeps them guessing at Lord's. No bad thing.

 
Railboy
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Railboy (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 18:38
Would be great if some stato could come up with figures for
a) Teams that have enforced a follow on and lost
b) teams that didn't enforce the follow on and lost

Again though, i feel we are better placed today than we were yesterday! In normal circumstances you would put money on a draw at Lords right now, but of course this is not normal!

 
Rod1883
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 18:45
Fascinating situation at Lords now.
Assuming Yorks get a lead of circa 50 - 60 runs and are all out around lunchtime tomorrow then they will not have enough bonus points to pip us to the title, but it will put Middx in an interesting situation.
Middx will need to then set an enticing target for Yorks and so will have to go for it for two and a half to three sessions in order to set a target, and still have enough time to bowl Yorkshire out. Yorkshire will, I'm sure still want to win to achieve second place.

It could all work in our favour if Middx lose wickets trying to set a target, or set one too enticing.

 
Rod1883
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 18:45
duplicate



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Ronniesabre
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 18:51
The ebb and flow and twists of this are just brilliant - torture at same time too !!!

 
geordie moonraker
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 19:19
I have a suspicion that Ryan Davies' brief was "night watch and score some runs". 90 mins tomorrow, quick from Rogers Trego Overton and VdM.2 wickets before lunch and hope that the new ball at Lord's leaves Yorkshire- who are putting up a spirited performance once the batsmen got out f the way- short of 350.

 
Shepton Paul 2
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 19:31
Great day for us, both at Lord's and Taunton.

Quite happy to acknowledge that Chris Rogers knows a bit more than me about the game, and has a little more experience even if I am about 20 years older - so if he says bat again, we bat again.

Actually beginning to think we have a decent chance now. As Farmer White would say, heart starting to beat a bit faster...

 
cricketjerry-mouse
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 19:39
Fascinating story/rumour/fact/fiction/possibility/probability (you choose!) circulating the ground as Chris Rogers came out to bat this evening with what had rather a `final appearance` feel to it.

The line is that he will be returning to Somerset next summer, but as batting coach (something that would please quite a few posters who have called for one this year). But even more interesting, he would/will bring with him his former Aussie captain Michael Clarke, who retired from all cricket after the 2015 Ashes, but announced in February that he was returning to grade cricket.

Clarke, who is 34 and has said on several occasions that he fancied a stint in English county cricket, would be available all season in all three formats, and would captain the championship side as the overseas player.

What an extra incentive it would be to bring him across to captain the reigning county champions!

 
Tumbles
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Tumbles (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 19:57
Not sure I can take much more of this and it's only Day 2. Just so unsure how it'll pan out at Lords but can't fault our team. 1st or 2nd they've given it a heroic effort these last few games

 
sfwithers
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
sfwithers (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 20:06
Well, well, well. Haven't been able to post until now and I don't know where to start.

At the start of play yesterday I think - on what we presume is a spin-friendly wicket - that we'd have settled for 322 for 9. But from 302 for 2 this was the sort of collapse that I grew up with and somehow came as little surprise. Great to get to 350 today and then bowl out Notts cheaply - though I was very surprised at the follow on not being enforced. But the weather forecast is good (not set in stone, I know that) and with three spinners in the fourth innings against a demoralised-and-nothing-to-play-for Notts we should (not will, but 'should') be able to finish them off, And our already thin batting resources are reduced even further in the absence of he-should-have-been-dropped-for-this-game Hildreth, so there is a logic to not wanting to bat fourth on a 'bunsen'. Chris Rogers has got us this far, I think we should give him the benefit of his experience (even if like many of us I'd have put Notts straight back in without a second thought). As for Middx v Yorks, that's out of our hands and with too many variables to ponder...

My 82-year-old father wants to see Somerset win the CC in his lifetime; I didn't think that would happen this year, but there is a chance, which is more than I expected at the beginning of the season (that's a comment about SCCC this season and not my dad's mortality!). My hopes for the year were avoiding relegation (which we've done big time) and a decent run in one of the pyjama cricket contests (ditto).

Fingers crossed etc. And lots of credit to our captain.

 
tonysmalltoes
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
tonysmalltoes (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 20:22
What a great day's play and excellent to see our spinners out bowl the Notts threesome. Apart from the ongoing permutations at Lord's my greatest concern now is that the track matures like the one we had against Hampshire or even Middlesex and dies on days 3/4...

BTW - who saw Dom's interview on the club FB feed? Great interview - he can't disguise how excited he is to be out there, but very level headed. Ace bit at the end about his not so white whites and Trego's opinion on it!

 
Mike BOS
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 20:33
Day two photos.

The day started so well, who would have thought with 28 needed with Jack Leach and Dom Bess at the crease especially after what happened the day before.

Dom Bess played brilliantly to get those 28 runs needed and we mustn't forget Jack Leach for staying with him.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2016%20Somerset%20Photos/Specsavers%20County%20Championship%20Cricket/Somerset%20v%20Notts%20starting%2020th%20September%202016/Dom%20Bess%20short%20ball.jpg

Jake Ball must have thought because Dom Bess was so young he would try and intimidate him with a few short balls, it didn't work and he dealt with them very well.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2016%20Somerset%20Photos/Specsavers%20County%20Championship%20Cricket/Somerset%20v%20Notts%20starting%2020th%20September%202016/Dom%20Bess%206%20runs.jpg

A very good crowd today to watch the second days play and they wouldn't be disappointed with what they watched, even though Dom Bess is out of focus (the crowd isn't) I had to include Dom Bess hitting a six.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2016%20Somerset%20Photos/Specsavers%20County%20Championship%20Cricket/Somerset%20v%20Notts%20starting%2020th%20September%202016/Tom%20Moores%20missed%20maybe%20off%20Jack%20Leach.jpg

This is one of those photos I am not sure of what happened, was Tom Moores missed by Ryan Davies or did the ball come off the batsman's arm? The bowler was Jack Leach.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2016%20Somerset%20Photos/Specsavers%20County%20Championship%20Cricket/Somerset%20v%20Notts%20starting%2020th%20September%202016/Tom%20Moores%20ct%20Lewis%20Gregory%20bld%20Dom%20Bess.jpg

A sharp catch by Lewis Gregory at first slip to dismiss Tom Moores off the bowling of Dom Bess.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2016%20Somerset%20Photos/Specsavers%20County%20Championship%20Cricket/Somerset%20v%20Notts%20starting%2020th%20September%202016/Michaeh%20Lamb%20campb%20Dom%20Bess.jpg

This is one of those catches you don't see everyday, a return one handed catch by Dom Bess to dismiss Michael Lamb.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2016%20Somerset%20Photos/Specsavers%20County%20Championship%20Cricket/Somerset%20v%20Notts%20starting%2020th%20September%202016/Samit%20Patel%20st%20Ryan%20Davies%20bld%20Jack%20Leach.jpg

A brilliant stumping by Ryan Davies to dismiss Samit Patel, he may have lifted his foot for a second or his foot wasn't behind the line!

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2016%20Somerset%20Photos/Specsavers%20County%20Championship%20Cricket/Somerset%20v%20Notts%20starting%2020th%20September%202016/Chris%20Read%20run%20out%20by%20sub%20Max%20Waller.jpg

Once again Max Waller (sub) excellent fielding caused the downfall of a batsman this time running out Chris Read, although he didn't want to leave the field.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2016%20Somerset%20Photos/Specsavers%20County%20Championship%20Cricket/Somerset%20v%20Notts%20starting%2020th%20September%202016/Billy%20Root%20ct%20Tom%20Abell%20bld%20Jack%20Leach.jpg

Things kept going Somerset's way when Billy Root was caught by Tom Abell off the bowling of Jack Leach.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2016%20Somerset%20Photos/Specsavers%20County%20Championship%20Cricket/Somerset%20v%20Notts%20starting%2020th%20September%202016/Matthew%20Carter%20ct%20Craig%20Overton%20bld%20Jack%20Leach.jpg

Craig Overton had a big smile on his face after catching Matthew Carter off the bowling of Jack Leach.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2016%20Somerset%20Photos/Specsavers%20County%20Championship%20Cricket/Somerset%20v%20Notts%20starting%2020th%20September%202016/Jake%20Ball%20lbw%20Dom%20Bess.jpg

Jake Ball lbw Dom Bess.

Should we have made Notts follow-on some thought we should have and some thought give the bowlers a rest and make Notts bat last on a wearing pitch.

I can't wait for tomorrow.

 
Farmer White
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Farmer White (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 20:49
This has the taste of Chester le Street 2010 about it. The issue, then as now, is not yet in our hands. As then, it may be more informative to spend tomorrow morning watching the other match on TV than our own from the stands. Swap the Durham Members Lounge and Lancs v Notts for our County Room or Stragglers and Middlesex v Yorks. And pace up and down with increasing intensity the closer Yorks get to 350 as we did then the closer Notts got to 400.

It seems that Yorkshire have answered my question of this morning better than Middlesex. Their middle order has, so far, been more than adequate to the task. Only 35 behind Middlesex and only 115 away from a fourth batting point with 41 of the 110 overs remaining.

They came up on the rails to take the second and third bowling points and are positioning themselves to do the same with batting points 2-4. It looks as if that has been what they have been batting for even from 32-3. In this day and age 115 from 41 overs with 4 wickets lefts is perfectly achievable. Ask our lower order. Only Finn and Co and the new ball in 19 overs stand in their way. The impetus is with Yorks now and we are dependent upon Middlesex to stop it and not gain impetus of their own in the process. It has been Yorkshire's day at Lords as it has ours at Taunton. The question of which turns out to be the more important still hangs heavy in the air like cumulo-nimbus over a garden fete.

So we are nearer to the denouement of this great drama but no nearer knowing what it will be.

And so to tomorrow. Yorks may get their points or Middlesex may stop them. Whoever wins that skirmish we need the other to re-engage and stand firm against the charge that will surely follow. Two days of charge and counter charge until we know if Somerset's encirclement of Nottinghamshire is successfuland if it is whether it was enough.

Our heroes on Day 1 were two old hands, Rogers and especially Hildreth for one of the all time great Somerset innings. Our heroes on Day 2 were two young blades, Bess and Leach, with more markers for the future and who may yet leave a mark on this Championship. Tomorrow our heroes may be Finn and Murtagh for turning the Yorkshire tide though take an hour or so about it please. In these matches in this Championship Friday is far to far in the future to know if we shall have more heroes to cheer or just next year.

Oh ECB you know not what you do when you meddle with this jewel.

 
Shepton Paul 2
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 20:58
Two important questions:

Where's Farmer White been all my life?

And do people sit directly opposite Mike deliberately to become some of the most photographed cricket fans in the world?

 
Wickham
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Wickham (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 21:03
What a day!

A few reflections:

Dom Simply the Bess batted superbly this morning - such a mature head on young shoulders. He kept his cool in very tense circumstances and the push for two which secured our fourth batting point could be the most valuable runs he ever scores for Somerset - though he is surely a number 7 in the making for us and, perhaps, at a higher level.

During the third wicket partnership, it did look as if we might struggle to take wickets. But Bess made the breakthrough - the left-handed return catch off a leading edge from Lumb was brilliant (I was looking on the ground, expecting the ball to have bounced down).

As mikeindex said, Davies' stumping was lightning quick. In my view, Davies (while still a work in progress) has more raw talent than any 'keeper during my time watching Somerset (I didn't see Stephenson or Bates).

Some very good catches from Abell and Cove.

A great run-out by Waller and Davies. Read hung around so long after being given out that it might be construed as dissent (though I suspect that the umpires will be merciful). But someone who saw a replay said that it looked out.

My initial view was that we should have enforced the follow-on. But having spoken with wiser heads (including Baggers), I now think it was the right decision - largely for the reasons she gives.

Some nice batting in the evening, including from Davies (who I wouldn't regard as a night-watchman - I suspect that he would have batted there even if we had lost our second wicket a few minutes earlier).

Some great company, once again.

I'm confident that we will win. We have to hope for favourable developments at Lord's.

Mañana

 
Rod1883
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 21:06
I think the new ball will be crucial at Lords in the morning. That is why I think/hope that Yorks will "only" get a lead of circa 50, thereby missing the bonus point they need, but giving Middlesex an interesting problem in how they go about trying to force a win from that position in 5 sessions.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
JuliaW (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 21:07
Quote:
Farmer White
The question of which turns out to be the more important still hangs heavy in the air like cumulo-nimbus over a garden fete.
So we are nearer to the denouement of this great drama but no nearer knowing what it will be ...

Oh ECB you know not what you do when you meddle with this jewel.

Splendid words indeed. smiling smiley

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 22:31
Great performance from the Jack and Dom, Dom and Jack show again.

With an Australian Captain, it was never very likely that we would enforce the follow-on, though I would certainly have done so and Notts looked demoralised and the chances of them making even 300 (which would mean a lead of only about 80 or so looked slim indeed).

But the biggest reason that I would have put Notts back in would have been the nagging fear that exists at Taunton that the track might become less responsive on the final day, rather than more responsive.

I also thought that Notts would dawdle through the final session, bowling only the bare minimum of overs that they could get away with but, to be fair to them, they did not.



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AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 22:34
Re: the Read run out - it did not look remotely out to me and I was at square-leg.. most around me thought the same. However, a guy behind me reckoned that Read did not ground his bat.... which would be fairly extraordinary from such an experienced player. As the throw came in, it was obvious that a direct hit would have been out, but the throw was not very close to the stumps and I cannot understand how he could have been out unless the person sat behind me was right and he did not bother to ground his bat.

Samit was also dis-pleased with the decision viz the stumping.

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 22:42
As for Michael Clarke?

He might be, theoretically, "available all season," but a cursory look at his medical history would strongly suggest that he would miss lots of time with his bad back.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
JuliaW (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 22:42
Quote:
AGod
Re: the Read run out - it did not look remotely out to me and I was at square-leg.. most around me thought the same. However, a guy behind me reckoned that Read did not ground his bat.... which would be fairly extraordinary from such an experienced player. As the throw came in, it was obvious that a direct hit would have been out, but the throw was not very close to the stumps and I cannot understand how he could have been out unless the person sat behind me was right and he did not bother to ground his bat.
Samit was also dis-pleased with the decision viz the stumping.

The two BBC radio commentators had seen video footage of both dismissals during the tea interval and said that both were excellent decisions from the umpire. I believe it was the same umpire that gave both decisions.

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 22:46
I think Rogers will retire but, as I understand it, he has no family in terms of wife/kids etc so he may not, necessarily, want to go back to Oz and stay there.

 
Roger ivanhoe
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 22:56
With regard to Samit's dismissal if you enlarge the photo on the Club Twitter account his foot is clearly NOT behind the line.

While Read might not have been happy, right or wrong, the scorecard shows he was out, the umpire thought he was out, he was closer than any of the spectators.

Apart from the Negatives AGod, did you manage to see any positives in your visit to Taunton.

As far as Chris Rogers coming back as Captain, we were told on Tuesday, that Chris has yet to confirm either way, but will do so by November.

 
Mike BOS
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 22:58
The latest table. [www.espncricinfo.com]

We will be up the top sometime in the next two days, the hardest part is staying there.

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 23:02
Try reading my post, Roger, or do you have severe reading comprehension problems?

As I said "It was great to watch the Dom and Jack/ Jack and Dom show.

I did not mention any "negatives," relation to our performance today.

I suggest you develop the ability to read.



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AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 23:03
Somebody sat around me today said that, at the Q and A the other day, MM said that SD will keep in red-ball cricket next season.

 
Roger ivanhoe
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 23:22
Many thanks for your comment AGod, but bit late for me to go back to the classroom I fear.


I suppose really it would be good to see more than the occasional one-liner on the positives, and paragraphs on the negatives.

But there you go.

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
21/09/2016 23:27
I'll say it again, I did not mention any negatives about our performance, nevermind paragraphs of them.

I'll say it for the third time today: It was great to watch our spinners who bosled very well. As I said earlier I thought Notts batted very sensibly in the early going. And I really like Bess's action as well as what he actually delivers.

 
mikeindex
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
mikeindex (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 00:13
I happened to be standing next to a BBC cameraman on the terrace in the New Pav, who kindly re-ran the run-out in his viewfinder in slow motion. While it was an extremely close decision, the replay very much suggests the umpire got it right.

 
Bagpuss
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 01:26
ICYMI - Rod1883 mentioned it in passing around the time of the innings break, diagnostic imaging confirmed what we all suspected, that yesterday James Hildreth batted for over four hours, accruing 128 runs, with a broken ankle.

He'll be out for several months, although the club did tweet that he'd bat in the second innings if needed(!).

Give this man the freedom of Taunton.

 
Nailsea_Fizz
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 02:36
Bagpuss, I hope you've checked with Agod that the ankle was broken, it looked like it was only slightly bruised from where he was sat.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Grockle (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 03:51
OK then people. The chances of this game going past midday on Friday. Presently the bones say we have a significant chance of doing this but the chances of that happening before the end of today is also seemingly a possibility.

That would mean that my possible arrival in the UK tomorrow morning at 6:20 and Taunton at about 12:00 would be pretty bloody pointless as our part of the deed would already be done.



(Sm72)

 
Grizzzly
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 05:44
Fantastic day by the sound of it.

Really can't ask any more from our team, who have performed admirably and with increasing confidence (even in the face of bad spells, as yesterday), since the Surrey game, which I think was the turning point of our season.

Fate has placed me in the remote NW corner of Canada this week, and to my great regret, logistics prevent me from getting to HQ for what promises to be two days of a pulsating and nerve jangling championship climax.

To add insult to injury, I am travelling in an area not well served by internet connectivity, meaning that when I left our Hotel today, I felt uneasy that Notts were only two down. A couple of hours later, a breakfast stop meant I could get the very welcome update that they were all out for 138. For some reason, the local rig workers and highway crews tucking into their carb laden breakfast specials at the Teslin RV & Gas station, Yukon territory, seemed somewhat ambivolent at my excitment re events at HQ.

If only they knew how important this is !

Feel really chuffed at how things are going. We are building something special at Somerset, and the prospect of seeing Jack & Dom bowling in tandem for many seasons to come is one that we can all surely look forward to (well unless the ECB manage to skewer the Championship altogether).

As for our Championship prospects, who knows. Perhaps Mr Bresnan alone.

If we do manage to beat Notts on Thursday, or eary Friday, it will set up a very interesting scenario at Lord's, albeit no doubt a strange one at Taunton, as supporters will be left huddled around tv screens etc. to follow events at Lord's.

Not sure when I will next be able to get a connection, but likely not until at least tea time tomorrow.By which time, all will have become clear. Or perhaps not..............

Best of luck all !

Grizzzly

P.S. Enjoy Farmer White's contributions. Is he by any chance related to one VJM ?

 
mikeindex
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mikeindex (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 07:18
Quote:
Grizzzly
Feel really chuffed at how things are going. We are building something special at Somerset, and the prospect of seeing Jack & Dom bowling in tandem for many seasons to come is one that we can all surely look forward to (well unless the ECB manage to skewer the Championship altogether).

Alternatively, who knows, we may be denied the services of one or both through the ECB central contracting system - though not, of course, till after Batty has retired and Ansari got injured again.

 
stevecav
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stevecav (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 07:31
BBC R4 Today programme has decided Yorks aren't getting 350. They just called that Somerset look like getting the win that delivers the title, 'unless Middlesex beat Yorks'.

 
geordie moonraker
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 08:03
I said yesterday that I thought the fact that we were ahead of the over rate helped in the non follow on. So far the 2 days have seen 201 overs plus 2 inter innings breaks, and finishes on time. Compared with late finishes to bowl 192 both teams must be commended.

 
Bagpuss
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 08:15
Nailsea, one of the first things I learnt during my radiology training was when it comes to xrays, for an accurate diagnosis, two views from different angles are essential.

 
Mike BOS
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 08:25
I ask the Chairman if the club had any bravery medals, I said if they have give one to James Hildreth.

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 08:54
Re: Leach and Bess.... we cannot control the machinations of idiot England selectors. If they want to keep picking low, low quality players from Surrey, then let them.

What we can attempt to control is our pitches and our strategy around them. It will be clear that we have hit on absolutely the right approach in the second half of this season.

Obviously, it may be more difficult earlier in the season (although with our super-duper, far too effective new drainage system, possibly not??? After all, Taunton had a reputation has a quick drying ground *before* the new system was installed so it may be that we are going to be left with a persistently very dry square - if so, so much the better) but we must try to do all that we can to prepare pitches for the benefit of these two SUPERB young players for the forseeable (unless and until England take them).

Even with the benefit of hindsight (and a 10 wicket win in our pockets) I would still have picked Bess for Leeds too - he is just so accurate and gives it a tweak and with all those southpaws that Yorks had (and some other teams have too..)

Incidentally, I do find myself wondering whether we would have alighted on this strategy had CR's "gamble," vs Middx worked.. I refer not to the declaration but to the pitch gamble. Had we beaten Middlesex, would we have felt emboldened to try to repeat the green strip as our "attempt to make Taunton results friendly," approach? We should, perhaps, be thankful to Harry Podmore for his excellent bowling in that first innings...

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 08:55
Yes, GM, Notts are to be commended re: over-rate - it would have been easy for them to lollygag through the match. We'd have to have been half-wits not to have got through our overs!

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 08:56
Whilst he had his struggles, at times, I have to say I was impressed with young Jake Libby yesterday. He looked very well organised and composed.

I'm afraid to say that Mr Moores, junior, another young player looked rather out of his depth vs Dom.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Grockle (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 09:04
So

If Yorkshire get 350 and BEAT Middlesex it is over (Unlikely on play at present)

If Middlesex BEAT Yorkshire it is over (Unlikely with play at present without some kind of deal between the skippers)

If we BEAT Notts and the other two draw (without Yorks getting 350) we take the title?

If We beat Notts TODAY... it is all over in terms of Taunton (for me because there will be no play at Taunton tomorrow)

I have up to 9:00pm my time to decide whether I move West in time to get to Taunton about 12:00 tomorrow.

Is that the present situation or are there other combinations?

Exciting isn't it!!!



(Sm72)

 
Monkey Butler
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Monkey Butler (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 09:13
Whatever the outcome of the season. It's safe to say what our priority should be moving forward. I used to envy Surrey with saqlain and salisbury. I'd love to see something similar to develop here.

Teams used to love walking out to bat at taunton, it's now one of the most feared grounds in the country!

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 09:24
You could almost smell The anxiety yesterday, MB.

One other thought re Michael Clarke rumour - he's no more a number 3 than S Davies is - so If Rogers goes and Clarke is the replacement then who would bat at three? I guess Mybs is a potential answer. In That scenario then Pete could be squeezed out altogether, assuming That Clarke, Hildreth, Davies would all play.

Re: Hildreth...Great courage from him. But I'm quite surprised that, in this day and age, The club did not force him to go off for an x-ray and even more surprised That they may allow him to bat today (post confirmation of fracture). I'm thankful That they didn't make him go off in The first innings But I think we'd be insane to have him bat today Not Least because one imagines That we already have more than enough runs..

 
Streeter
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Streeter (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 09:29
Lollygag ??? Where did you get that one from Aggy? Or which century, love it.

 
mikeindex
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
mikeindex (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 09:42
If the other two draw and we win we take the title regardless of bonus points.
If Yorkshire score less than 350 but go on to win, and we win, we still take the title.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Grockle (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 09:56
Thanks Mike. Then it's down to whether today is a 3 day victory @ Taunton or Yorkshire get to that 350. Much appreciated.

Then whether the flight is still there of course



(Sm72)

 
Rod1883
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 10:57
Compton drops one at Fly slip!

 
Rod1883
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 11:09
Yorkshire really going for it 272-6 after 77 overs, 2 ahead of Middx.

We really need Compton to stop dropping catches (two now in the innings) and the new ball in three overs time to do something.

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 11:16
I think we may declare At 12?

We could use a couple of wkts with The second new ball At Lord's.

 
Following on
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Following on (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 11:22
That's 1,000 championship runs for Pete this season - top effort!

 
Shepton Paul 2
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 11:30
Rafiq has looked like getting out every ball this morning, esp v Finn. If their luck continues, Yorks will walk this ☹️

 
Nailsea_Fizz
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 11:31
Has strauss had a word to butter up Yorkshire. Come on Sex take some catches

 
Following on
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Following on (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 11:52
We did the right thing by Compo and let him leave, now he MUST do the right thing by us and bat for hours and hours and hours and score naff all! That's sorted then - a nailed on draw...
What could possibly go wrong?

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 11:59
Very sunny forecast for Lord's - should be benign batting conditions.

Our innings has, surely, gone on for long enough?

I want this wrapped up today in case track dies tomorrow.

 
Following on
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Following on (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 12:08
Wicket at Lord's the first delivery following a ball change!!

 
Following on
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Following on (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 12:12
The prospect of crushing disappointment was almost easier to deal with than the hope that the Yorkshire wicket falling brings!

 
Rod1883
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 12:26
Declaration at lunch to avoid losing time from the game I would have thought, although I'm not sure that time really comes into it.
More likely CR wants his 100

 
Rod1883
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 12:32
8 down at Lords now, 17 more runs for that batting point needed!
Lunch being taken.

 
Beergoggles
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Beergoggles (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 12:32
Whist Yorkshire are depressingly near their 4th batting BP there may be a silver lining that both sides have everything to play for and everything to lose. Our main hope is that Middx are then too cautious and bat on too long to give Yorks the chance of victory they need.

Clutching at straws I know, but at least they are still there to be clutched at.

 
Beergoggles
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Beergoggles (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 12:34
And as I grasp at false hope a wicket goes down in the last over before lunch at Lords. Come on Middx (for now) ...

 
mikeindex
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
mikeindex (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 13:08
I'd have liked to see a declaration half an hour earlier, but it's extremely unlikely to make a difference barring a drastic and unpredicted change in the weather. I guess the later declaration improves the game's chances of going into the fourth day and swelling the bar takings!

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Grockle (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 13:09
A DECLARATION.

Sensible for Somerset NO DAMN good for me.



(Sm72)

 
Rod1883
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 13:21
Yorks 335-9 now!!

 
john adams
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
flanneled fool (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 13:30
350 for Yorks and is it over?

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 13:39
It is raining in West London. Thunder in NE London.

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 13:40
I would rather Yorks get 350 otherwise they may fall away badly in the match if nowt riding on it for them.

 
Shepton Paul 2
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 13:43
ff: no, I believe they have to win the game as well.

Hard to see Middx winning from here, I think.

 
Following on
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Following on (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 13:46
How about this for a thought, it isn't in Somerset's best interest to run through Notts too quickly. The thought process being this, if tomorrow Middlesex are batting and know they need to win because Somerset have already won it will impact on any declaration figure. If they think a draw will do they can bat Yorkshire out of this.

 
Rod1883
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 13:55
Yorks still have to win if they do get 350.
My concern is a contrived finish between them whereby one gets a win and so pip's us.
If Yorks don't get 350 then that scenario is out and Middx have the problem of how to win in less than 5 sessions with a deficit on 1st innings.

 
Rod1883
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 14:02
Sidebottom plumb lbw - not given! Edit - oops, BBC commentators have changed their minds, he wasn't out.
Now off for light at Lords with Yorks on 349-9



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Beergoggles
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Beergoggles (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 14:04
Yorks 349 for 9 and now they're off for rain. Would you believe it

 
geordie moonraker
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 14:08
This is a fine knock from Bresnan. I think they will get the run-especially after the not given LBW which had nothing wrong with it- which means it had to be a draw. With time now out of the game again it will take Middlesex until well into the evening session to attain parity which they must do without risks. Then what, 100 overs and the fewer the number the more difficult the decision. Incidentally the scorebard at Lord's was showing overrate at minus 6.

 
Slow Left Chinaman
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Slow Left Chinaman (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 14:09
Hawkeye said out on 349, which would've been perfect.

 
Shepton Paul 2
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 14:13
Looked very out - but Sidebottom nicked it.

 
Streeter
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Streeter (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 14:20
I'm afraid I'm a bit doom and gloom here now.To me it's all down to this next run for Yorks. If they get it we will have a situation where Middx andr Yorks must go for it. Then come 5 o'clock tomorrow if Yorks are nine down with 50 or even a hundred to get they must still give it a go , they only have place money to lose.It may be that the weather is our only hope .And I'm usually a glass half full man.

 
Beergoggles
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Beergoggles (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 14:27
Assuming the Yorkies get their extra run we could end up with a very contrived finish at Lords to ensure a winner. Could be junk bowling from Yorks to allow Middx to set a target and then a contrived run chase with lots of risk taken. Not feeling very optimistic now.

 
Rod1883
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 14:32
My concern now is that Yorks get the run, then Middx have a wobble at the start of the second innings so, at the end of today/start of tomorrow they are effectively 0 for 4 having only managed to eliminate the first innings deficit for the loss of 4. Then in the first session and a half tomorrow they only get another 100 to 150 or so, giving Yorks an easy chase in the last two sessions.
If Yorks don't get that vital run, the above scenario isn't an issue for us.

 
Shepton Paul 2
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 14:35
Alternatively, they lose 20+ overs now, with a bit of bad light, Yorks get a lead of 75-100, Middx don't collapse but realise they can't win in the time available on that pitch, so just block it out.

 
MisterMurph
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
MisterMurph (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 14:37
Been no thunder in my part of NE London - but looking dark. And rain spots on the Lords camera.

 
Scotsman19
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Scotsman19 (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 14:48
Sky commentators doing everything they can to talk down Somerset's chances.....TV is now on mute until play resumes.

 
rodders12
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
rodders (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 14:55
Sadly I fear as some above that we will lose our title chance because of an entirely contrived finish at Lords - which stinks but is part of the game of CC cricket I guess !
None the less well done to everyone at the club for getting us so close - if only.......................!!

 
Grizzzly
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 14:58
Brief log on. Middlesex 349-9 & rain.

Unbelievable.

And the ECB want to change the format of this beautiful competition !

Six hours before I can log in again.

Tension is not good for the soul.

Grizzzly

 
Rod1883
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 15:04
I too fear a contrived set up at Lords as I said above rodders.
However, and a couple of big if's here - IF by some miracle Yorks don't get that run, then Middx somehow have to force a win and could end up losing, but it won't matter.
Or IF Yorks get the 4th batting bonus and then a few more runs - say a first innings lead of 90-100 then if I were Yorks, I wouldn't want to contrive anything, not initially anyway, and see if they could get Middx 4 or 5 down before the deficit is cleared.

That second scenario is my main fear now.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Grockle (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 15:12
The weather may have a say on that Rodders and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it but beat Notts here.

I wouldn't give up just yet. You've done that quite a few times this season and Somerset haven't.



(Sm72)

 
Rod1883
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 15:13
Bloody Sidebottom - 4th batting point achieved

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Grockle (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 15:20
Am I right that now whoever wins at Lord's will win the CC1? Our only option is that there is a draw?



(Sm72)

 
Slow Left Chinaman
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Slow Left Chinaman (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 15:21
Yes.

 
MisterMurph
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
MisterMurph (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 15:24
If the match is a tie, don't Middlesex and Somerset both end up on 226, but Somerset win by 6 wins to 5?

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Grockle (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 15:28
Cheers SLC. Then with hope in my heart but the money still in my pocket I stay here and listen avidly. There will not be enough cricket to be played tomorrow I think for 9000 mile trip AND the result will be determined at Lord's where a result for one side or the other is the most predictable finish.

What great anticipation there has been in the last three days.

I would not have even considered the money had the opportunity been there to be in Taunton at the end of Day 4 with people I have appreciated over the last half a century as fellow supporters of God's Own County.

But watching the event finish on a TV in a bar I can do here thinking of you all and hoping it turns out the way we all hope.

The prayer mat will be out.



(Sm72)

 
Rod1883
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 15:28
Middlesex seem to have started bowling rubbish already!

 
Following on
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Following on (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 15:30
Yep!

 
Beergoggles
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Beergoggles (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 15:38
The longer Yorks bat the more downbeat Middx will get.This could manifest itself in them giving up ... or in them becoming belligerent and blocking out just to stop losing the title on their own ground. Could be blocker Compton to the rescue.

 
edinburghbil
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
edinburghbil (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 16:07
Looks like we should be leaders in the club house

Middlesex could struggle to set a target and perish trying to do so
Middlesex could struggle to set a target and dig in
Middlesex could offer up a sporting declaration enabling all 3 results
Doesn't look as if the weather should play a big part

 
Nailsea_Fizz
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 16:07
Well if they let Yorkshire get away how are they possibly going to win the game

 
Nailsea_Fizz
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 16:11
Max 1 down by end of day please

 
geordie moonraker
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 16:15
That one down didn't take long. All credit to the Yorkshire tail who did what our tail has done on several occasions to make today possible. I think a draw is unlikely but at the beginning of the season would have settled for a competitive second place.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Scrumper (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 16:22
Middlesex 2-2 (Sm31) Well done Compo.



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sfwithers
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
sfwithers (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 16:25
Ditto re the second place (even if I do really, really want Somerset to win). We wanted Yorks to show some mettle yesterday to avoid getting rolled over, and they did that big time; now we need Middx to show some. This was always a possible scenario when we went into the final game a point behind the team in second (if I remember rightly). Looks like that single point could ultimately prove decisive. Considering that quite a few Grockle posters were predicting relegation - or at least a relegation battle - earlier in the season, finishing so strongly whatever the final outcome has been a fantastic achievement. On paper I never thought we'd be challenging, as we look a little thin in resources throughout the team (apart from, apparently, spin bowling), which shows you what I know!

Still hoping...

 
Slow Left Chinaman
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Slow Left Chinaman (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 16:27
Hopefully this has taken any thoughts of winning away from Middlesex, now hopefully they can bat 3 sessions.

 
geordie moonraker
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 16:27
First he drops a catch and then scores little. You could have repaid us a little better Nick. At this rate it won't need a contrived finish.

 
Following on
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Following on (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 16:37
While I am still daring to dream - it's getting harder.
I echo sfwithers thoughts, what an amazing second half of the season we have had. Lets enjoy that fact and cling to the thought that maybe a way to get results at HQ has been located.

 
Sommarston
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Sommarston (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 17:10
Oh for that 5th batting point on Tues/Wed!

 
geoff_k
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
geoff_k (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 17:20
Whatever happens, Somerset have been brilliant especially as the season as gone on. The players have been a credit to their county but sadly virtue doesn't win titles.

Now entirely dependent on how Middlesex do I suppose. Not holding my breath there as at times they have played almost as though they didn't want to win the title (Although of course Yorkshire have had a part to play in that!)

There were any number of so-called professional pundits who said at the start of the season that Somerset were a nailed-on certainty for relegation. A plague on all their houses as we have proved them wrong.

 
mikeindex
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
mikeindex (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 17:22
@Geoff there were one or two on this site!

 
mikeindex
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
mikeindex (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 17:38
Well done boys on a magnificent season whatever happens at Lord's tomorrow - one in the eye for the doom-and-gloom merchants, especially those who profess to be Somerset supporters.
It was lovely to see all the team congratulating the ground staff at the end, following with a very emotional lap of honour joined by Hildy on his crutches and Jamie in his shorts (doubtless clocked by Bagpuss).
Marcus clambering over the hoardings to be photographed in front of his own stand... Player of the Year and Rookie of the Year taking a detour for handshakes and hugs with the crowd... I wasn't close enough to the Caddyshack to hear the Blackbird Song but I'm sure it was sung with more than usual gusto, which is saying a lot.
I find it hard to imagine a contrived finish at Lord's as Middlesex are so far behind and Yorkshire, obviously, have an excellent chance of winning just by bowling well. Here's hoping the prospect of second place, coupled of course with sheer professionalism, brings the best out of Middlesex tomorrow.
If they seem to be making a fight of it come mid-afternoon, say, I'll be making my way in to watch on the big screen in the Stragglers. Maybe see one or two of you there.
(edited for typo)



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Ronniesabre
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 17:41
Rogers has announced he is retiring

 
edinburghbil
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
edinburghbil (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 18:44
Thanks for your efforts Chris Rogers. Two centuries is a pretty good way to finish! Two centuries and the title would be fantastic!

I don't think we can get too uptight about the batting point missed in the first innings, but we probably should have picked up a few more batting points over the season which would see us more confident going in to tomorrow.

 
stevecav
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
stevecav (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 19:00
Just a thought - hypothetical I know - but if we had not had the big collapse in first innings and had got max batting points, then max bowling points as we then did, Yorkshire knowing that they could not then win the title assuming we won, maybe they would not have battled so hard yesterday and this morning to keep their hopes alive, and Middlesex would possibly have won the game and title.

I know I'm still daring to hope,and clutching at straws, but could that missed batting point actually turn out to be what wins the title for us?

Sorry guys: just went through this again and realised I got the points at the start of the game the wrong way round, and typed all this for nothing.

Could still be an exciting end....



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Shepton Paul 2
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 19:10
We're well in this! I make Yorks favourites, us second, but I can't really see how Middx can force a win. Hopefully they'll professionally block it out on what looks like a dull easy-paced cricket-killing pitch - oh the irony 😉

Thanks and congratulations to Chris Rogers - I'm all in favour of the batting coach idea - I'll throw a fiver in the pot.

Looking forward to reading Farmer White's up-sum...and going to bed excited for the morrow.

 
Clarence Parker
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 19:27
Whatever happens at Lord's tomorrow, I am saddened to hear of Chris Rogers' retirement.

I am aware that we only signed him on a one - year contract and that he is almost 40, but his leadership and professionalism, more than anything else, have taken us to where we are this evening.

I was hoping that he might be persuaded to stay on a while longer, but it was not to be.

What a wonderful career he has had, and Somerset should be proud to have had his services as captain, albeit for one year.

Thank you Chris for all that you have done and achieved in a short space of time. You will be truly missed and extremely difficult to replace both as an overseas player and captain.

Good luck for the future.

 
Tumbles
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Tumbles (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 19:35
Quote:
Sommarston
Oh for that 5th batting point on Tues/Wed!

I keep thinking back to TG getting stumped when 390 last week and 12 overs to get max points. However we may not have got 4 this week. Fine margins which if we finish 2nd I hope we take on chin and come back stronger next season.

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 19:57
If Middx can lose say, 2 wickets, before lunch but no more than 2, then I think that should keep us on track.

If they lose 4 wickets before lunch, they shall probably lose the match.

If they lose zero wickets, then the two sides will probably contrive a finish.

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 20:00
Whatever happens tomorrow, we have had a season that was far better than anybody apart from BJ expected.

From a bowling stand-point, the future seems enormously bright.

From a batting stand-point, we shall need to make a couple of astute signings from without over the next couple of years, I feel. If we get those signings right then, combined with our talented young bowling group, we ought to be capable of several more CC tilts in the coming years, one would hope.

 
Beergoggles
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Beergoggles (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 20:09
Might be interesting to put ourselves in Franklins shoes and see if there's any way he can win this game and the championship.

Middx are 40 behind now and if all goes well they'd be 60 up at lunch, possibly 200 up at tea if they throw the bat. Would he declare then and give Yorks a shot at 200 in 33 overs ?
Is there any chance Middx can bowl Yorks out in 33 overs ?

Perhaps he'd be happy with a 150 lead and a chance for 50 overs to bowl Yorks out.This is probably our worst case scenario unless they cook up a fabricated target with junk bowling.

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 20:14
Personally, I was very disappointed that Chris Rogers seemed to bat on just to get his personal milestone. Yes, Notts folded easily enough but, for me, it should always be about the team and we seemed to me to have more than enough runs on the board by 12 (at the latest), and - given that this is England and late September, we should always have been on our guard against the possibility of weather, in addition to Notts possibly finding some resilience.

I do think now, more than ever, that his 'issue,' with his batting this season was his motivation, as I suspected - otherwise a bit of a co-incidence that he suddenly "rediscovered," his ability when the the season was on the line in the pressure matches. He has always been a tough cookie under pressure and I would think that his competitive juices were fully re-awakened by the CC run in, hence hugely valuable runs in each of the final two games.

As I said at the time, I thought it would be a big mistake to try and persuade somebody that was seriously thinking of retirement to avoid that course of action. Therefore, I am glad (given that he was obviously serious about those thoughts) that we are have not managed to drag him back against his better judgement.

Mr Rogers and Mr Maynard are to be congratulated for having settled on a winning strategy at home and our spinners (in particular) and Simon Lee and his staff are to be congratulated for implementing the strategy so successfully.

It will be interesting to see whether Mr Maynard tries to find another overseas player to be Captain and/or whether he will be a number three batsman. It's possible that they could use Myburgh in that role next season which would then give us the flexibility to sign the best possible overseas player, regardless of whether said player can bat at number three. For example if they play a top five of Tres, Abell, Myburgh, Hildreth, Davies, they might even consider looking for a left-arm paceman as the overseas player. MM is on record as wanting to add a decent left-armer.. so if one were available, he might be considered.

 
Roger ivanhoe
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Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 20:49
Personally I thought Chris Rogers declaration was correct, and ultimately proved he was correct. The time to criticize and suggest he only batted on for personal gain, should be when a plan backfires, IMO.

Notts still had ample time to reach the target set.

 
Tumbles
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Tumbles (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 20:58
Quote:
Roger ivanhoe
Personally I thought Chris Rogers declaration was correct, and ultimately proved he was correct. The time to criticize and suggest he only batted on for personal gain, should be when a plan backfires, IMO.
Notts still had ample time to reach the target set.

Quite. We utterly destroyed Notts in under 3 days and bar a bizarre hour on day one didn't do anything wrong.

Also seem the groundsmen can just about get the right balance on the pitch. The question is can they produce similar in the earlier months of the year

 
Rod1883
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 21:01
What a day!
Following proceedings at Taunton and Lords via Radio 5Live Extra, BBC Sport Cricket web pages and of course here.

We've done our bit. Our Captain has scored his second century of the match (rightly or wrongly) and announced his retirement.

Yorkshire scrape to 350 after Compton drops an easy one, then go on to post a big lead. Middx collapse to 2 for 2 (thanks again Compton), but then recover to close 39 behind with 2 down.

So, tomorrow?
Middlsex cannot risk losing early wickets so have to progress steadily for at least the first hour or so to clear the deficit. If they can do that then they can try to accelerate and look to set Yorks a target - perhaps 200/220 from the last session?
If they can do this then I can't see them risking it all by contriving something with Yorks.

If Middx lose early wickets tomorrow, then Yorks have no need to agree any contrivance, and the best we can hope for is that the Middx tail frustrate them long enough so whatever target they are able to set can't be reached. I'm sure that Middx would want and try to preserve their unbeaten record, and second place.

The third scenario is that Middlesex don't lose too many wickets but progress up to and beyond lunch is very slow. Then we would/could be in the situation of the Captains setting something up between them - I still can't see either offering anything too generous to the other though?

Sorry for my rambling - I'm probably trying to convince myself we still have a good chance!

 
Wickham
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Wickham (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 21:07
A strange day. It was obvious that Somerset would win, so all the tension related to events at Lord's.

In the morning, Rogers batted serenely (up until then time when it was touch and go whether he could reach his century before lunch) while Davies batted elegantly, Trego batted mightily, Cove batted explosively and Gregory batted serenely.

I did suggest to my neighbours that, when Rogers was batting with Trego, it was like watching JS Bach at one end and Motorhead at the other. However, it was later pointed out to me that Rogers is scarcely elegant and is known as Buck, rather than Bach, Rogers for a reason.

Like Roger and Tumbles, I had no problem with the timing of the declaration. Demoralising Notts further was likely to accelerate the end. On this of all days, to carp about the timing of the declaration – even if there were an element of indulgence – seems to me to be churlish in the extreme.

I liked the way that Rogers appeared to go out of his way to get everyone involved – for example, Davies was given the opportunity to bat at 4, PT was given the opportunity to reach his 1,000 CC runs (and huge congratulations to him for doing so), Cove and LG each had a bat and VDM was brought on early to bowl. They each repaid the faith placed in them.

I thought that Somerset looked thoroughly professional in the field – as exemplified by throwing down the stumps at least three times (including a second brilliant run-out by Max).

Somerset's strapline over the last few weeks has been Dare to Dream. I will dare to dream, for just a few more hours, that tomorrow will go our way.

Finally, it has been a pleasure, over the past three days, to share Mike’s benches, and Tractor’s bench, with such an affable group of Grocklites, lurkers and others – you know who you are. Others, I know, were there in spirit.

 
Sloop John B
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Sloop John B (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 21:12
A not unsurprisingly wise post from Wickham with which I wholly agree. A time to praise unstintingly the efforts of all the squad over the season, to admire the amazing leadership of Buck Rogers and Matt Maynard.

Tomorrow they could all be legends!

 
sfwithers
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
sfwithers (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 21:20
Even though I'd have put Notts in, I didn't think the decision to bat again was that bad (my father was askance and phoned me at work; I told him not to worry) and surely winning in three days by a massive margin vindicates that. I don't think Chris Rogers batted again with the intention of scoring a second century, though when it became a definite possibility I'm sure he was mindful of it. They batted so quickly and while weather could have been relevant (the forecast was very good, though as I said yesterday accuracy is not a given) he still gave the bowlers five sessions to bowl Notts out and they did it in two, with a few run-outs, which I'm guessing demonstrate Notts' demoralised state. Rogers has been a very successful captain. Yes, a few more runs earlier in the season would have been nice, and some are going to question the declaration v Middx forever (I think the bowlers let him down) but he has surely galvanised the squad better than anyone could have imagined.

And it's not quite all over...

 
geordie moonraker
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 22:10
It has been a fantastic effort. I'm pretty sure we are out of it, but assuming Yorks don't roll Msex over in the morning then Franklin has to time his declaration to give his bowlers a chance.The draw then is still on the table. What will depress me is Gale and Ballance bowling to get to an agreed target.

 
Mike BOS
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 22:29
Day three photos.

And what turn out to be the last day, with a win for Somerset and top of the table. How long will we be there?

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2016%20Somerset%20Photos/Specsavers%20County%20Championship%20Cricket/Somerset%20v%20Notts%20starting%2020th%20September%202016/Peter%20Trego%206%20runs.jpg

We had four players reach 1000 CC runs this season, I am glad Peter Trego seen hitting a six managed it in the second innings.

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Chris Rogers reach his hundred with this shot, he also score a 1000 CC runs this season.

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I did appreciate you giving me a wave Chris after you got your 100, there was no need really.

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Steven Mallaney was a Roelof van der Merwe victim when Peter Trego took the catch.

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A good effort from Tom Abell to try and catch Tom Moores off Jack Leach's bowling but the ball was always to far away.

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I like Craig Overton style when he had Samit Patel out lbw, Roelof van der Merwe tried to copy him and Marcus stood no chance of doing it.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2016%20Somerset%20Photos/Specsavers%20County%20Championship%20Cricket/Somerset%20v%20Notts%20starting%2020th%20September%202016/Chris%20Read%20off%20Craig%20Overton.jpg

Craig Overton soften-up Chris Read with this bouncer, he ended up on his knees.

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Chris Read didn't have a good match, his second innings ended being out lbw to Jack Leach.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2016%20Somerset%20Photos/Specsavers%20County%20Championship%20Cricket/Somerset%20v%20Notts%20starting%2020th%20September%202016/Brett%20Hutton%20bld%20Jack%20Leach.jpg

Jack Leach ended the season with 65 CC wicket, this was one of those wickets of Brett Hutton.

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And another wicket for Jack Leach, Jake Ball stumped Ryan Davies bowled Jack Leach.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2016%20Somerset%20Photos/Specsavers%20County%20Championship%20Cricket/Somerset%20v%20Notts%20starting%2020th%20September%202016/Imran%20Tahir%20ct%20Peter%20Trego%20bld%20Jack%20Leach.jpg

Jack can't you ever stop taking wickets! This was his 65 wicket of Imran Tahir caught Peter Trego

More photos to come.

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 22:54
sfwithers - I was not suggesting for one moment that we chose to bat again so that CR could score a ton - merely that the timing of the declaration seemed to be predicated on him completing his milestone.

Perhaps he was so utterly confident that Notts would fold (let's face it, it wasn't the biggest surprise of all time) that he felt it would have no effect. However, I just thought it was somewhat self-indulgent and had we somehow ended up running out of time (perhaps due to Friday's forecast proving to be wrong) then it would have been incredibly annoying that we batted on for such a long time/to such a colossal lead.

Anyway, it's done now and I think I am more optimistic than most on here would seem to be that things may well go our way tomorrow. The track at Lord's is a dodo and it isn't easy to either score runs or take wickets quickly.

Having said that, there is no value to either side in a draw, so it's possible that Middlesex will decide to be very attacking from the start tomorrow morning.. yes, they might fritter wickets away and end up well beaten by 3pm but there is no real value to them in trying to bat out a draw. Perhaps the MIddx mindset may be that, if they block for long enough, Yorkshire will offter them some garbage buffet bowling to "set up a game"?

Having said that, I thought that declaration bowling had actually been banned, but perhaps I imagined that? One almost never sees it in the CC these days and it would be bitterly disappointing if the destination of CC1 were to be decided in such a lamentable manner.

 
Mike BOS
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Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 22:57
After the match ended in a win the team toured the ground giving the large crowd a chance to show their appreciation to the team on a marvellous championship cricket season. And to give the team a chance to thank the supporters for their support during the season.

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p490/cricketphotos1/Cricket%20Photos/2016%20Somerset%20Photos/Specsavers%20County%20Championship%20Cricket/Somerset%20v%20Notts%20starting%2020th%20September%202016/Somerset%20tour%20of%20the%20ground%20after%20last%20match%20win%209.jpg

The team clapping the crowd, a nice thought by the club.

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Chris Rogers and Matt Maynard, nice to see the smiles.

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Come on James hurry up you will miss all of the fun.

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The team with James Hildreth at the back when he caught up with the team.



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Chris Rogers, Matt Maynard and Marcus Trescothick being photographed and filmed.



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AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 22:58
WSM - with hindsight (given how Notts played) perhaps you were right after all and we should have attempted to produce something flatter... at the time I did not think it would prove significant but, should Yorkshire win tomorrow, that collapse will have been shown to have done for us.

Then again, on a far easier batting track, perhaps Notts would have summoned greater resolve?

 
cricketharris
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
cricketharris (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 23:02
Is Agod really Neil Mallender? I ask because the umpire seemed to think that Somerset should have declared much earlier too as he very pointedly slowed the game by slowly walking from square leg to square leg every time either the left-handed or the right-handed batsman scored a single. He abandoned this in the Notts innings by standing at the same spot when left and right handed batsmen were at the wicket and similarly scoring.
I thought Rogers was dead right grinding Nottinghamshires nose in the dirt. They were obviously getting more and more frustrated in the field. I believe that we would have batted on even if Rogers was out early. He proved an excellent captain and we will surely miss him. We do well with an Aussie captain.



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AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 23:17
Perhaps Ghostie was hoping for a bit of golf on Friday and was worried Notts might survive the day?

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Scrumper (IP Logged)
22/09/2016 23:39
Umpires have the right to stand on the same side if the sun gets in their eyes.

 
Farmer White
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Farmer White (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 00:04
A day of cricket of 'such stuff as dreams are made on'. At the season's start such cricket was but the stuff of dreams. The talk in the stands was of relegation and the dream was of relegation just avoided.

And yet, tantalisingly, the real dream hangs there still. Yorkshire have one hand on it, Middlesex but a fingertip and we who dream can but watch and wait. And yet perhaps, just perhaps, they may in their eagerness wrestle themselves to a standstill and the dream fall to us.

Tomorrow hopes and dreams will be our watchwords. A wait in purgatory our fate. And like no others who suffer purgatory we must hope our wait in its clutches is interminable for a short wait tomorrow will not suit our cause.

If the wait stretches towards the end of the day our seconds will become minutes, our minutes hours and our hours days. The agony will grow, our breathing become laboured, the palms of our hands will sweat as never before. And all the time our fate will be at the whim of a well directed ball, of an intently swung bat or worst of all the human frailty of an umpire.

And while we wait and hope and 'dare to dream' let us not talk of points won and points lost; of decisions good and decisions bad; of opportunities taken and opportunities missed and above all let us not weigh such things in the balances for such talk gnaws at the very soul and profits us nothing.

Let us rather talk of such deeds as James Hildreth's matchless heroism on the first day of this match; of the monumental win at Headingly; of the Renaissance of Marcus Trescothick; of the Torquemadian spin of Jack Leach and Dom Bess against Warwickshire; of the third morning seventeen minute miracle against Durham; of the 31 run last wicket stand of Jack Leach and Tim Groenawald that sank Surrey; of Tom Abell's miracle hundred on a minefield at Edgbaston; of the deeds of the Overtons with bat and ball; of Trego's thousand and Leach's sixty; of Rogers' captaincy that wrought the transformation and of a Somerset team that has scaled heights not dreamed of a few short months ago. Indeed this was all ' such stuff as dreams are made on'.

And if the dream ends tomorrow savour the making of it in a season of exploits beyond dreams. And then dream on, for next year may really be the year in which we all wake up and discover the dream is realised.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Grockle (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 03:46
At the start of this season who realistically would have given us a top 3 spot in the four day? Who would have given us a top half of the division spot?

If it isn't to be this year then so be it. We WILL be stronger and a little older next. Who would have given us victories based on one of the strongest SPIN attacks at home in the League. Where the hell did that come from?

Jack Leach, Reolof and now Dom Bess have become the stuff that dreams are made of. How the performance of the oldest looking man in his twenties has not got him a full international tour place is absolutely beyond me given the dearth of English spin. If it"s a Piran Holloway type season that doesn't come again then it was one to savour. If not (and I think there IS much more) we are going to scare the living daylights out of sides next year because our spinners just keep coming at you. Those 3 AND both Overtons? Can't wait to get started.

The comeradarie shown on these pages in the last 3 days has been a joy to read and welcome to all new posters who have added to it a great deal. Thank you all for adding more to those who couldn't be there. Thank you Mike for the service you do for us all EVERY year with your photo record. I think you know how much we all appreciate it but at times like these it bridges the distance for so many.

I know we will all be tuned in today. We may get there and we may not BUT this side IS moving forward now. We are most definitely out of the doldrums of post 2010 and we will be a force to be reckoned with on many fronts next year. There is no feeling of "Phew! We managed to get ourselves out of the pickle this year" at the end of 2016.

If the Doom and Gloom crew want to try and pour cold water on the second half if this season I offer them the floor and say "bring it on".

#wearesomerset and we ARE going places!!.

Now you must excuse me. There are 5 sessions of prayers in Oman today and I'm going to all of them. Hope we ALL have a bloody good day.



(Sm72)

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 05:27
I don't think even the club's own management would have put a lot of money on a top three finish, Grockle, let alone most here.

They must have had an inkling of what we had in the form of Mr Leach, otherwise the bunsen strategy would probably never have been attempted. I highly doubt that they knew, at the start of the season, quite how prominent a part Dom Bess would play in two absolutely vital victories.

 
Grizzzly
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 06:51
Belatedly catching up with the amazing events of Thursday, and can only echo the sentiments expressed above by many, especially Wickham, CP, Grockle & of course Farmer White.

As one who was optimistic about this season before it started, I find myself already looking beyond Friday, to 2017, when we will have a huge oppotunity to carry forward the incredible momentum we have build over the last couple of months.

One more bonus point would have seen us in an almost untouchable position at the top of the table, and if there is one lesson to be learnt from 2016, it must surely be that we must fight for every batting and bowling point, from the beginning of April onwards.

For our team of heroes however, today is a day to savour. To lap up the attention and respect that each and every one of them have earned, and most of all to pay tribute to a Captain, who has taken us from the threat, (for some even the expectation), of relegation, to the brink of winning the Championship. A shame that CR has chosen to close his final innings, but what a way to go.

As, I meander towards an attempt at sleep, I will drop off in the hope that when I wake up, it will not all have been a dream, and that, just possibly, there may still be a glorious outcome to a fantsatic season.

Good luck everyone. I have a feeling that tomorrow (today over there) will be talked about at Taunton, for very very many years to come.

Grizzzly

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 07:15
As always for Somerset the key to potentially going one better next season (assuming that that is possible by the end of today!) is probably to actually start the season properly. In spite of the arrival of CR, we did not start this season in a particularly good fashion.

One assumes that management has tried everything that they can think of in terms of preparation etc..

Perhaps it's time to try something different in terms of the fixtures? Each county is able to make certain requests of the ECB in terms of the planning of fixtures. My suspicion has been, for several years, that Somerset request to have a majority of our home games later in the season because that always seems to be the way that it falls. Last season we managed to produce only one bunsen, and that in the final match vs Warks. This season we have been able to produce them earlier in the piece. So, whilst late season home games may be advantageous we can very possibly produce bunsens and win games earlier in the piece. If we requested the odd earlier home game, we might avoid the April trip to CLS.

Or perhaps the key might lie in trying to upgrade our seam/pace resources?

The one - and indeed only - early season game that we won in living memory came a few years ago at home to Middlesex... Vernon Philander was prominent in that one.

Our competitive (or to use the economic term comparative advantage) vs other CC1 teams clearly lies in our spin bowling at present. But it's probably fair to say that certain other CC1 sides have a relative advantage over us in terms of pace bowling. On greenish April tracks, then perhaps the key to better performance lies in having a better seam attack at our disposal?

If Mr Maynard were to trust Mr Myburgh to bat at three next season, then we could seek to strengthen our pace attack through the overseas route - perhaps on a Philander type basis where we might look for a quality seamer for the opening stanza of the season.. there may be some countries that want their guys to gain experience prior to the Champions Trophy, for example?



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2016:09:23:07:17:59 by AGod.

 
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Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Grockle (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 07:28
Far too late AG. Some have seen the draft for next year's season so that die is already cast I am afraid.



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geordie moonraker
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 07:42
Farmer White- thank you. I shall treasurer the so apt Torquemadian all winter

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Grockle (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 07:57
As we move towards the end of this season I have decided to open the gates a little.

After the idiocy of the very strange double identity event last month I removed access through one poster address to a major critic of this season. He has sort of disappeared since then though there have been smatterings of him about the place.

I have removed that block today to allow everyone who has been involved in this season to have their say of they want to. Another poster may take advantage of the removal of his self requested ban to join us once again.

Give it your best boys. If you want to join the rest of us you are welcome. But no one asked Wellesley to the party so leave that one at home. I'd ask you to use the access wisely but we'll leave that to you and act accordingly if you can't.



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AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 08:36
Aye, Grockle, but maybe the club may already have thought of requesting a different pattern of fixtures.

 
Wickham
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Wickham (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 08:42
How uplifting to read the overnight contributions. And how apt to be able to bracket together two great Somerset slow-left armers, Farmer White and Torquer Leach.

 
geordie moonraker
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 08:52
While I don't expect a draw at Lord's I was turning over in my mind the Franklin dilemma.
There will be 94 overs. Judging by the 50 over scores, and bearing in mind that there are no bowling or fielding retrictions and that taking wickets is the object rather than stopping runs, we could expect Yorks to be happy chasing 6 an over . Thererfore Franklin must set 7 an over to give his bowlers a chance and a reasonable total. So that says to me 280 off 40 overs. To get to that Middlesex must score another 310 from 54 overs. Anything less than a 280 target or a lower rate hands it to Yorks, so their bowlers can have one last go this morning. Wickets will sort it.

 
Clarence Parker
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 08:55
"Far too late AG. Some have seen the draft for next year's season so that die is already cast I am afraid."

Surprised to read that there is already a draft fixture list for next season, when the identity of the second side to be relegated from Div. 1 is still unknown.

I believe AGod that Somerset made a request to the E C B that their home fixtures be delayed at the start of this season, on account of the drainage works carried out during the winter months which resulted in a sub - standard outfield at the time.

 
Angell Face
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Angell Face (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 09:30
Spent the past three days in excellent company on Gimblett Hill watching us demolish Notts. Grockle, here's one who will not be following the progress of the match at Lords. At my age I have to be careful of too much excitement! I was at the Durham match six years ago and it nearly did for me. It's a beautiful day here in Surrey and I shall drive down to the coast, have a leisurely lunch and round about 5.30pm come back to find us Champions. My best wishes to those who will be inhabiting the Stragglers or glued to their TVs, computers or radios at home. Whatever the outcome it's been a great season.

 
Shepton Paul 2
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Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 09:49
Farmer White has genuinely brought tears to my eyes.

We who dream can but watch and wait. Indeed.

I'm 25 miles from Lord's - unfortunately it's not going to rain all day - but it does seem a beautiful day for batting.

 
sfwithers
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
sfwithers (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 09:57
Too tense to watch the game on cricinfo (but I bet I'll give in to temptation). If I were a betting man - and occasionally I am - I'd think the odds are against Somerset. Equally, they still have a realistic chance...

Ah well, nothing we can do but hope now. And pray, if we're off the religious persuasion.

 
Monkey Butler
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Monkey Butler (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 10:00
I think an overseas captain at number 3 is still the way to go. Our bowling attack will hopefully improve as our youngsters do. I think having a top six wicketkeeper will allow us to have a more attacking and varied bowling line up.

 
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Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Grockle (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 10:01
Quote:
Clarence Parker
"Far too late AG. Some have seen the draft for next year's season so that die is already cast I am afraid."
Surprised to read that there is already a draft fixture list for next season, when the identity of the second side to be relegated from Div. 1 is still unknown.

I think that is maybe why it's a draft Clarence....



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brt1919
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
brt1919 (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 10:38
It seems such a shame that after all these months, it appears the CC may be decided by a contrived finish. if not, I can't see any reason for Lyth bowling?

I'm trying not to sound bitter & cynical as in their shoes I'd be doing exactly the same thing, still a shame though. Could have done with not winning our match quite so fast!!

 
brt1919
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
brt1919 (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 10:49
Although 3 overs for 9 runs isn't what I'd call contrived bowling, so who knows?

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Grockle (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 11:13
It probably won't become totally clear until after lunch and not even then perhaps...



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Railboy
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Railboy (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 12:13
I have a feeling that the sex have realised, chances of bowling Yorkshire out in a session and a half on that track, even in a run chase are so remote they are settling for a draw and runner up spot!! Or am I just deluding myself?!

 
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Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Grockle (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 12:15
PLEASE God let that be the case. Off to the mosque for prayer number 3



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MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Scrumper (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 12:18
Sorry, the Mosque is full.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Grockle (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 12:22
AND the church and the Synagogue as well I expect. Is there a sikh temple in Taunton as well?



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Sloop John B
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Sloop John B (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 12:27
Farmer White is my new Grockle star!! Lyrical writing worthy of a wide audience !!

Nursing my injured knee at home at trying not to check score at Lords every two minutes !! So far so good as it is looking more and more difficult to contrive a finish on a slow true wicket. (He said optimistically )

 
Tumbles
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Tumbles (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 12:31
Quote:
Railboy
I have a feeling that the sex have realised, chances of bowling Yorkshire out in a session and a half on that track, even in a run chase are so remote they are settling for a draw and runner up spot!! Or am I just deluding myself?!

If it were Somerset would you accept us doing that, not a chance. They will push on after lunch. 200 or so in 33 overs is my bet.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Grockle (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 12:35
After lunch is where this thing will be decided but it does seem a slow wicket so hit and giggle might be a real problem.

Depends to some extent whether one of these sides accepts that they aren't going to win.



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geordie moonraker
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 12:41
Lyth bowled in both innings at Headingley last week against us

 
sfwithers
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
sfwithers (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 12:50
Not sure I can bear it, but it's going to have to be a hell of a contrived result at this rate (which if Somerset were playing would also be the case, so I'm not casting aspersions - it's just how it is). Whereas Somerset v Notts was played at a super-charged pace, with four innings completed in three days, this is crawling along and with time lost for rain too. Earlier in the season this would be a nailed-on draw, but with both teams still able to win the CC that isn't the case. But how far will Middx push it for what looks a remote chance at a win?

 
Railboy
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Railboy (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 12:55
8 wickets in the last 240 odd overs should not fill Middlesex with hope when needing to take 10 in 25 or so. If it were somerset I would not like to see them throw away runners up if I perceived there were no[b][/b] chance of winning.

 
Following on
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Following on (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 13:01
Could it happen? it might, it just might...

 
Tumbles
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Tumbles (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 13:12
Yorkshire maybe eying the new ball. If they took a couple of wickets with it suddenly Middlesex would be barely 100-5 in reality. Not sure if that would cause them to shut up shop more. Next hour intriguing

 
geordie moonraker
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 13:13
Railboy might be right in that Msx are settling for a draw and second place but I don't thn so yet.
They are 81 up, and are quickening the scoring rate. So they bat for 30 overs at and over and end up 231 ahead with 32 overs to play. 7 an over gets to 224 -near enough- but are 32 overs enough to take 10 wickets when you think how they laboured to take the last 4 yesterday. With the overs lost to rain and Msex slpw over rate,time has slipped away. I shall be unhappy if an easy target is set. I remember 210 when at Chester le Street we need ed something like 190 off 19

 
Railboy
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Railboy (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 13:15
Sorry, excitement is getting to me too much and I'm clearly overthinking this! Presumably this morning Yorkshire weren't interested in any form of "deal", they surely fancied their chances of winning fair and square. Maybe Middlesex will now think, why should we offer you one now

 
Wickham
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Wickham (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 13:22
Stragglers here I come.

 
Beergoggles
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Beergoggles (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 13:31
It seem that someone has laid tarmac over the strip at lords and the chance of a meaningful result has gone,

It remains to be said whether Yorks and Middx will choose to end the 2016 season with a game of 20:20, winner takes all.

 
Tumbles
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Tumbles (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 13:31
This is getting odd at Lords..

 
hantssabre
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
hantssabre (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 13:35
Perhaps Middlesex are doing it for their old mate Rogers!

If it comes down to a run chase Yorkshire don't have the best batting line up with no Root, Bairstow, Plunkett, Lehman etc and Gale and Ballance are in no form so not a foregone conclusion

 
Wickham
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Wickham (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 13:37
I am enjoying, currently via Cricinfo, maiden overs. However, if joke blowing is still allowed, and is served up, it obviously enables Middlesex to set pretty much whatever target they like.

Has anything been said on Sky as to whether joke bowling is still permissible?

 
Beergoggles
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Beergoggles (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 13:38
16 off the last 10 is an odd way to go about setting up a finish.

 
hantssabre
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
hantssabre (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 13:39
Don't think Sky have mentioned that it's not allowed but haven't seen all the coverage

 
geordie moonraker
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 13:48
Unless something is going on that I don't know this looks as though Msex are playing not to lose at the minute.

 
Slow Left Chinaman
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Slow Left Chinaman (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 14:05
Middlesex wouldn't have a chance of bowling Yorkshire out under normal circumstances, so is their best chance setting a ridiculous (10 an over) target?

 
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Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Grockle (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 14:09
Being 100 ahead is not where I expected them to be with two sessions left. This is certainly not going the way it was predicted.

I don't think they have enough at the moment to make a decent chase of it. Wickets aren't going down. Runs aren't going up. What the hell is happening?



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hantssabre
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
hantssabre (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 14:16
The declaration bowling has started unfortunately!

 
Slow Left Chinaman
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Slow Left Chinaman (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 14:16
Lob ups now... sad smiley

 
hantssabre
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
hantssabre (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 14:18
And Malan is out to Lees!

 
Following on
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Following on (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 14:21
well all *ell has broken loose now. Runs a wicket...

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Grockle (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 14:21
Bit more like it now



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hantssabre
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
hantssabre (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 14:22
This is tedious now

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Grockle (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 14:24
Shame it comes down to this but this is the game we play.....



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mikeindex
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
mikeindex (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 14:27
This is utterly pathetic, an outrageous waste of spectators' gate money and an insult to all true cricket lovers.
Whatever happens as a result of the present circus act, any Championship win for either Middlesex or Yorkshire has been hopelessly devalued. This is Somerset's championship by rights, even more surely than 2010 was.

 
sheffieldsabre
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
sheffieldsabre (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 14:27
Surely they'll set a target of something like 220 off 30 (if they can bat for that long - another wicket has just fallen as I type!). But is that enough for a result either way or can we still count on the draw?

Wickham, I'm jealous ... wish I was on my way there too

 
Slow Left Chinaman
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Slow Left Chinaman (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 14:30
I assume part of the deal is that Yorkshire keep chasing even if 9 down and needing 20 an over.

 
brt1919
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
brt1919 (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 14:31
Mike - what else can they do though? if Middlesex just went along at 3 an over for a draw they'd get slaughtered, & at the start, Yorkshire clearly felt they had a chance of bowling them out properly. The Yorkshire bowling was clearly too good to go for it until they tact to throwing pies

 
Slow Left Chinaman
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Slow Left Chinaman (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 14:34
If they'd gone at 5 an over they could have set 200 off 25, with Yorkshire having no reason to pull out of a chase. That would've felt right.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Grockle (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 14:38
According to the commentators at Lord's the captains aren't happy that we were not docked points.

Boo bloody hoo... We weren't docked points because the rules weren't breached according to the people who penalise

And are they complaining about the game we played against Middlesex that we LOST or the game we won at HEADINGLEY??



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mikeindex
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
mikeindex (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 14:40
@SS They're already 231 ahead with 41 overs to go (and won't lose two for the turn-around because tea will be taken. there will be a lot more than 30 overs to get quite a few more than 220 - and Yorkshire have no incentive to save the game as they finish 3rd lose or draw.

 
Wickham
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Wickham (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 14:42
Ridiculously generous declaration on that wicket.

 
mikeindex
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
mikeindex (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 14:43
240 off 40. Ludicrously generous.

How come match-fixing is the ultimate sin when a bookmaker is involved but absolutely fine between consenting adults?

 
Following on
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Following on (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 14:44
Declaration sets Yorkshire 240 off 40 overs. I know there are no fielding restrictions or one day wides, but that seems generous to Yorkshire.

Now the commentary is saying Somerset can't complain because of the standard of the pitches!

 
hantssabre
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
hantssabre (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 14:45
Let's hope Middlesex can now win, can't bare to see Yorkshire win. No chance of a draw

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 14:47
Tawdry And pathetic And discutindo. I think this is The only CC1 game this year That this TRASH has happened in.

And, yes, before anybody questions me I WOULD say That, for me, our achievement would feel greatly diminshed if we won it by resorting to this drivel. And, yeah, most here would moan about me being 'negative,' about our triumph But só be It. I think this is garbage which makes a mockery of The entire season.

 
mikeindex
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
mikeindex (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 14:48
What else could they do? They could play proper cricket. If they can't win by playing proper cricket they can keep on trying and go down fighting, as we did aa Chester-le-Street in 2010.

 
Sloop John B
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Sloop John B (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 14:49
Well the Goodies will do it again!

How did they con Mixed into just 6 an over!! Spirit of cricket! My hat!!

 
sheffieldsabre
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
sheffieldsabre (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 14:51
Very disappointing. Is there any other sport where two sides can collude in this way?

 
brt1919
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
brt1919 (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 14:52
240 off 40 does seem very generous given Yorkshire have nothing to lose by losing (if that makes sense!)

 
sfwithers
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
sfwithers (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 14:52
That's that then. Given that 200+ is doable in 20 overs these days I can't see anything other than a Yorkshire win. Flip! That's the clean version...

It was an unfortunate set of circumstances that has left a forced result logical for both the competing teams. I do think Somerset would have done something similar if faced with the same situation - though the generosity of the declaration is slightly puzzling. But if 'declaration bowling' really is banned, how this can be allowed? I think the mentioning of Somerset's spin-friendly pitches is muddying the waters; they were presumably inspected and cleared. End of.

Ah well...

 
mikeindex
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
mikeindex (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 14:53
@AGod I totally agree, though I suspect few people here would complain about "negativity" and most would feel just as you would.

 
cricketjerry-mouse
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 14:54
You saw in the last half-hour at Lord`s exactly what will happen to cricket from 2018, when soulless city franchises are involved - minus any moral compass for the players

Middlesex and Yorkshire are two metropolitan counties, who have totally lost what in their heyday was a real feel for the game. Only the money counts now.

Contrast the behaviour of the captains, players and coaches today, in setting up this pathetic run chase, with that of James Hildreth at Taunton on Tuesday, when he batted for more than four hours with a fractured ankle.

I know who I view as a true cricketer.



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sheffieldsabre
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
sheffieldsabre (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 15:02
I agree, CJM, and there's part of me that thinks that if you can't win by playing proper cricket then you should just admit that and behave with dignity.

However, I also recognise that I am massively partisan in this. If Somerset were in Middlesex's position I can't guarantee that I'd feel the same way about it. So perhaps I'd better shut up!

 
Rod1883
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 15:04
incredibly generous declaration!

Who is that bloody commentator on 5LSports Extra that keeps on saying that this has happened because of the pitches at Taunton!

I would love to ask him how the/any pitch is different for each team playing on it.
So if the Lords pitch doesn't generate positive results - then that gives Middx the excuse to cheat? Also 5 guaranteed draws at home and some generous pitches elsewhere isn't an advantage then?

 
geordie moonraker
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 15:05
That's not even a run chase... it's a walk in the park. I didn't expect a draw but I expected a bit more that that. And I forgot...it wasn't the pitch that was doctored at Leeds last week to take it away from Yorkshire it was the ECB not letting people play.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Grockle (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 15:09
Yeah just replied to that rubbish. The pitch at Taunton for the Middlesex game MADE it a game and Yorkshire lost to us at HEADINGLEY flaming idiot. But I supposed when you are embarrassed you look for an excuse however stupid it might be.

I can't believe this declaration 240 off 40? 6 an over in this day and age?



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Clarence Parker
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah Dah Dah Dah Dah)
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 15:12
I wonder why people thought that anything different would happen?

Await the outcome and get over it! Are we not certain to finish as runners - up? We have played above the expectations of many people this season.

That in itself is something to rejoice about.

 
somexile
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
somexile (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 15:13
I look forward to Yorkshire 238 for 9 with 1 over left and umpires look at light meter and it is below value taken earlier

 
geordie moonraker
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 15:14
I said first thing this morning that we could expect Yorks to be happy chasing 6 an over and that Msex needed to set 280 from 40 overs.. Anything less than a 280 target or a lower rate hands it to Yorks, I seem to have anticipated the 40 overs, and the lower rate but that was based on proper cricket. I didn't realise how unpopular a Somerset championship was going to be.

 
somexile
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
somexile (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 15:14
I look forward to Yorkshire 238 for 9 with 1 over left and umpires look at light meter and it is below value taken earlier

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Grockle (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 15:16
I have no problem with where we finish CP and I don't think others do. I've no problem with an agreed declaration either.

As long as the side that wins had to work for it.

You actually think this is a competitive declaration designed to test Yorkshire then do you?



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Grizzzly
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 15:17
Why do that Middlesex, why ???????

Can't believe I've woken up to this scam.

Hideously shabby.

Grizzzly

 
bob andrews
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
old boy! (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 15:20
This smells of a betting fix! What has the ECB got to say? Are the bookies primed to look at unusual betting patterns - perhaps the female kind betting on behalf of their cricketing spouses? Does Franklin have any contact with or know the last NZ cricketer to run foul of Inspector Knacker? He, as the Middlesex captain is the only one who could have authorised this carve up. Of course he could well be as innocent as the driven snow - pure white. It could be worth asking any of the cricketers if they had got any friends to visit their friendly betting shop and put a fiver down for a Yorkshire win? Old boy!

 
hantssabre
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
hantssabre (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 15:23
1st wicket down, Lyth out. Hopefully Ballance in now to block one end up!

 
hantssabre
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
hantssabre (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 15:24
No Ballance unfortunately

 
geordie moonraker
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 15:29
The bowler's not Holding.. but the batsman's...

 
Railboy
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Railboy (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 15:30
I would presume that Middlesex supporters are almost as outraged as us! I cannot believe that Franklin thought this a good deal!

 
hantssabre
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
hantssabre (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 15:33
Why did he agree to it then?

 
Railboy
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Railboy (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 15:35
and now they've just given them a 5 runs as well!!

 
Clarence Parker
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah Dada Dah Dah)
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 15:39
They are very harsh words, Old Boy, but it is good to see you posting again on here.

When we were in a similar position as today in 2010 when playing at Chester - le - Street, I did think that the match going on at the same time between Notts. and Lancashire had an air of dubiousness about it.

The late Peter Roebuck (RIP) publicly said on more than one occasion that match fixing in county cricket was not unknown, and I will leave it there.

 
bob andrews
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
old boy! (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 15:39
At least next year if Marcus, James, Peter and our many talented youngsters can be 'married' with a new captain we should have won the Championship long before the last game.!
Old Boy!

 
sheffieldsabre
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
sheffieldsabre (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 15:39
Unless something very strange happens (and we can always hope), Yorkshire are going to walk this (Sm18)

 
Gidren
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Gidren (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 15:40
David Hopps believes it might not be as generous a declaration as it first appears. He calls it an easy pitch to stay in on, but a tough one to score quickly on. Time will tell, I suppose.

 
hantssabre
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
hantssabre (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 15:42
Lees out now. Time to send in the blocker!

 
brt1919
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
brt1919 (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 15:42
It's the hope that's killing me

 
geordie moonraker
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 15:43
And perhaps Yorkshire realise that their batting is not as good as we think.The problem is that Yorks will probably never shut up shop fro a draw as they would do in normal circumstances

 
Grizzzly
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 15:45
Well, after this farce, I think it's safe to predict we will be motivated from day one in 2017.

Let's win it by mid August next year.

Grizzzly

 
hantssabre
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
hantssabre (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 15:45
No way this will end as a draw unless there's a sudden cloud burst

 
hantssabre
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
hantssabre (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 15:52
Wiley gone now, maybe slightly in Middlesex favour now?

 
Nailsea_Fizz
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 15:57
A little bit calm required gentlemen. Lets have the outrage afterwards.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
JuliaW (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 16:11
This tension is simply unbearable.

This is the time when I wish I was a neutral.

 
Sommarston
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Sommarston (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 16:13
How could Middx ever think they could bowl out Yorks in 40 overs - at Lord's? A draw would leave them in second place, a loss down to third. I understand the financial rewards between 2nd and 3rd places are significant. Why not just take the money - oh, wash my mouth out!

 
mikeindex
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
mikeindex (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 16:13
@NF I see no need for calm.
And I will have the outrage when I feel the outrage!!!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016:09:23:16:22:20 by mikeindex.

 
mikeindex
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
mikeindex (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 16:20

 
Grizzzly
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 16:24
Have to hit the road now.

Perhaps life will seem calmer later.

Grizzzly.

 
sfwithers
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
sfwithers (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 16:31
As of now - 16.30 with Yorks 98/4 – I reckon all three results are possible. And my stomach can't take much more of it. Looks like the declaration wasn't as bonkers as I/we thought.

 
geordie moonraker
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 16:37
Bresnan is doing his best to win the championship single handed...and I can't in all honesty says that his efforts don't deserve it.

 
hantssabre
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
hantssabre (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 17:02
Brennan gone. Game on!

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Scrumper (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 17:02
Bresnan gone, time for my @#$%&.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Grockle (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 17:11
I would have had no problem at all congratulating Yorkshire and Tim Bresnan if they had won this... awesome performance from the man. Well played sir.

Gale has gone now. Squeeky bum time...but ain't it great? How can the ECB not understand this?



(Sm72)

 
hantssabre
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
hantssabre (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 17:13
Can Yorkshire now hold out and do us a favour?

 
geordie moonraker
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 17:14
49 balls 80 runs 4 wickets. It might not have been a challenging declaration but 16 games and it comes to this. We could do with dot balls and no wickets

 
stevecav
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
stevecav (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 17:15
All my anger re the declaration has gone. This is fantastic.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Grockle (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 17:18
They won't 'do us a favour' Steve. They just won't beat us. We have set the bar and they have to clear it or fail...simple as that.



(Sm72)

 
hantssabre
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
hantssabre (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 17:18
Can't see Yorkshire getting these runs but can they stop beng bowled out?

 
hantssabre
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
hantssabre (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 17:21
6 overs to survive or 3 wickets to get. A tie would be nice!

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Grockle (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 17:22
I think it is now 3 wickets in 6 overs and we're done. If not....... Bloody Hell!!



(Sm72)

 
geordie moonraker
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 17:23
In 2010 remember Notts needed 3 wickets...

 
hantssabre
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
hantssabre (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 17:26
2 wickets left - come on Yorkshire

 
hantssabre
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
hantssabre (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 17:28
Almost over now

 
hantssabre
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
hantssabre (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 17:28
TRJ should be in the England team

 
geordie moonraker
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 17:30
Looks as though the joke bowling handed it Msex in the end. But it was still not a challenging declaration.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Grockle (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 17:30
I have no problem with this Middlesex have deserved it.



(Sm72)

 
hantssabre
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
hantssabre (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 17:30
Congrats Middlesex . Finishes on a hat trick!

 
hantssabre
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
hantssabre (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 17:32
Best team won in the end. Yorkshire didn't deserve it over the season as a whole

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Scrumper (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 17:34
https://maddogtvdinners.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/cookedfaggots2.jpg

 
stevecav
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
stevecav (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 17:36
Fair play to Middlesex they battled well before the declaration bowling to earn themselves the chance - the declaration I thought at first was handing it to Yorks on a plate turned out spot on. Great effort by all at SCCC to finish above the champs of last two years.

 
Nailsea_Fizz
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 17:38
Well that's a stitch up that won't be forgotten for a long long time.

 
bob andrews
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
old boy! (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 17:39
What we didn't appreciate was how weak Yorkshire are without their stars Bairstow and Root.
In any other circumstances 240 in 40 overs was a stroll in the park, and a suspicious declaration. Well done to Franklin - he clearly saw in Yorkshire what we didn't - without the two they are not very clever. So the bookies can put the baseball bat away for another day.
Old Boy!

 
sheffieldsabre
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
sheffieldsabre (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 17:43
Aaaaargh.

30 years I've been watching, and that's the nearest we've come (I'm aware plenty of others have been around longer than that!).

Still, here's to the next 30, eh?

Well done to all :-)

 
Clarence Parker
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 17:47
30 years - you are only a beginner.

Well done Middlesex; on today's showing richly deserved.

And once again well done Somerset.

 
Sloop John B
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Sloop John B (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 17:51
Well the Middx captain judged the declaration far better than I !!

Congrats to Middx for deserved victory.

Congrats on being a very worthy second to Somerset. Next year....

 
Wickham
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Wickham (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 18:21
Congratulations to Middlesex, who have had a very good season.

I should like to be able to congratulate the Yorkshire lower order for their resolve when it became obvious that they couldn't win.

I do find joke bowling unedifying.

Finally, and most importantly, congratulations to the Somerset players, coaching staff and groundstaff on a fantastic season.

 
rodders12
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
rodders (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 18:21
So I will have to live a little longer I fear to see us at the top but I am running out of years as are a few other posters ! Well done to Msex though as over the season they probably deserved it - so much for all of our posters ( including me ) saying it was a stupidly generous declaration. Anyway from fearing relegation at season start to being very happy with runners up I say well done to all and I hope for great things next season.
Still not convinced that MM was a good appointment though ! And yes I know he has done well but signings still a weakness I feel ( IMO of course ) !

 
mikeindex
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
mikeindex (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 18:45
Another rubbish season from the team that is (pace Rodders, 20/9/16) more rubbish than any other.
Presumably the seventeen teams incapable of being such rubbish all finished first equal.
Try harder next year lads.

 
rodders12
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
rodders (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 19:03
Sorry Mike but I was referring to one rubbish collapse which did happen not to the whole season - get on terms with accepting the very bad with the very good - that is supporting SCCC as I know very well after 68 years of so doing !

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
JuliaW (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 19:22
What a day.

What an emotional roller coaster, the glimmers of hope, the expectation ... the RTJ hat-trick, the despair. So near and yet so far.

But what a season it was. From a slow beginning to culminating in the wholesale demolition of Notts inside three days for a shot at the Championship. It's been fun, risks have been taken and it would have been great if fortune had favoured the brave.

I've so enjoyed my first season watching Somerset live.

I'm also delighted to have met some of the friendly folk on the 'benches in front of the church' - thank you for welcoming me into your group. I shall be back next season and I'm bringing a cushion in future!

 
litlekeithy
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
litlekeithy (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 19:37
Congratulations to Middlesex winning it, they didn't lose a game and beat both us and Yorkshire. They are worthy winners and they went out in style with a hat-trick.

I do have a problem if as others have posted that there is some disquiet about two spinning wickets out of eight that we have played on at Taunton that were passed ok by the umpires and pitch inspectors (assuming they even turned up). Are we now allowed to criticise seaming wickets, green pitches, anything under 300, poor decisions and so on? Smacks a bit of "we don't like upstarts" (which may be the whole direction with this franchise thing).

Proud of SCCC players getting us so close. Here is to next year with hopefully plenty of spinning wickets to test batsmen with international ambitions, already looking good.

 
Tumbles
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Tumbles (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 19:45
Quote:
Wickham
Congratulations to Middlesex, who have had a very good season.
I should like to be able to congratulate the Yorkshire lower order for their resolve when it became obvious that they couldn't win.

I do find joke bowling unedifying.

Finally, and most importantly, congratulations to the Somerset players, coaching staff and groundstaff on a fantastic season.

Middlesex coach admitted that part of the deal was Yorkshire had to keep going for it. Effectively we'd lost the title before Yorks came out to bat a second time. That tiny bit of detail leaves me slightly grumpy.. Roll on April anyhow

 
Slow Left Chinaman
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Slow Left Chinaman (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 20:06
I don't like the detail that they had to keep going for it even when things got hopeless - even though they had no reason to block out.

With 16 points for a win and 5 for a draw, everyone should make similar deals throughout the season.




Still, trying to think logically that we've been fantastic this year, but it hurts.

 
Clarence Parker
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 20:53
Well said Rodders12; I fully agree and support you.

Today is not the day to be churlish, but I think that the difference between our performances in 2015 and 2016 is down in the very large part to the signing and appointment of Chris Rogers as captain. The belief that our players had in themselves is IMO down to his leadership, and I haven't witnessed that since Graeme Smith's short tenure in 2005.

Someone else to be highly commended and praised is Simon Lee and his team of hard - working groundsmen. Apart from Simon's predecessor, who said that the Taunton pitches could not become good cricket pitches with a sensible balance between bat and ball?

You have done the club proud, Simon.

 
adelaide
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
adelaide (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 21:06
All I'll say from afar is that you will feel the benefit of the Chris Rogers effect well after he has gone, through his impact on the professionalism of the other players. That's what happened at Middlesex and goes a fair way to explain the way we have played this season.

Best of luck for next year, and if anyone proposes Tim Bresnan or James Hildreth for knighthoods after this round I'll be happy to second.


Adelaide

 
bob andrews
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
old boy! (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 21:14
Quote [Middlesex coach admitted that part of the deal was Yorkshire had to keep going for it. Effectively we'd lost the title before Yorks came out to bat a second time]

The more I hear and read of this unseemly episode, the more I see a 'fix' - they effectively agreed that one of them would win - no draw entertained - rather confirmed by the wittering of the radio commentator who kept saying NEITHER would call it a day at any point. I suspect he was privy to the stitch-up. If the ECB had any sense of fair play, there would be an enquiry. It sounds to me to be rather similar to the fake wrestling that ITV used to broadcast every saturday!

Old Boy!

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 21:56
I do not recall whether the CC title has ever been decided as a consequence of joke bowling before?

But, regardless, the ECB has to act and make it a rule that teams will be hit with disrepute charges and points deductions (in future) if they resort to joke bowling and connivance. I feel, tonight, as though the whole competition has been very seriously devalued indeed. It was that, rather than the declaration/target set that was my concern.. if team x gets into a good position on its own merits and then wants to declare in such a way that it may not be favourite to win the game, then so be it.

Overall, Middx were worthy winners of the CC, IMO, despite the sour taste left by today's events. They did go unbeaten, after all.

I would have been gutted had Yorkshire won it, given that we were clearly better than they were - including in head-to-head competition, this season.

Let's just hope there is no hangover of disappointment from this at the start of next season - some new bodies, with S Davies being the first (and a replacement for Rogers presumably to follow) should help to avoid that, somewhat.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2016:09:23:22:14:02 by AGod.

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 22:01
I suspect that the Test county mafia will be lobbying the ECB to amend the rules on pitch preparation again to try to combat our turning tracks.

Does anybody know if it has yet been confirmed as to whether the 'away side can decide to bowl,' rule will remain in force for next season?

If it is scrapped, then we can certainly expect some very green seamers for many of our away games.



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AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 22:36
I see Banger is full-square behind the club keeping the Bunsens going as much as possible for next season (quoted saying as much on the official site)>

CR cites JL and TG's batting heroics as the chief inspiration for the team this season.. well done to those two. I thought TG was a revelation this season, to be honest.

 
Mike BOS
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 22:37
I have just watched the SKY Sports News and the more I hear on what happened today make me sad somewhat.

They agreed on setting a target by giving Yorkshire easy runs and also agreed even if Yorkshire lost wickets Yorkshire would still go for it and not shut up shop.

I can except the first bit (just) but carry on going for it when there was no chance of winning hurts a bit.

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 22:41
I'm not that fussed about the last bit, given that a draw was neither use nor ornament to Yorkshire. But it's ridiculous that it is permissible for teams to deliberately bowl absolute rubbish - in what other sport is it deemed acceptable for a team to deliberately play badly?

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 22:43
If there must be contrivance, I'd even rather the Captains just agree and the scoreboard be instantly adjusted to whatever nonsense they agree to - better that than watching professional players deliberately play badly.

 
Ronniesabre
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 22:48
Quote:
Mike TA1
I have just watched the SKY Sports News and the more I hear on what happened today make me sad somewhat.
They agreed on setting a target by giving Yorkshire easy runs and also agreed even if Yorkshire lost wickets Yorkshire would still go for it and not shut up shop.

I can except the first bit (just) but carry on going for it when there was no chance of winning hurts a bit.

Yes Mike they basically took us out the equation . Should have just told us and we could have all gone and done something else . Still the bar takings must have been up

 
WeAreSomerset
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
WeAreSomerset (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 22:56
Absolutely devasted.

Roll on 2017.

 
Mike BOS
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 23:07
Yes Ronnie, it was busy I will post photos tomorrow.

Yes AG, but there must be still pride in not losing a match even if the end result didn't make a difference.

.

 
mikeindex
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
mikeindex (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 23:12
Quote:
rodders12
Sorry Mike but I was referring to one rubbish collapse which did happen not to the whole season - get on terms with accepting the very bad with the very good - that is supporting SCCC as I know very well after 68 years of so doing !

Thanks for that clarification Rodders. Even after a mere 51 years of supporting Somerset I too am pretty well on terms with accepting the very bad and the very good, though unlike some I tend to comment more on the latter than the former.

But I'm sure you're right that no other team in history has ever lost five wickets for no run.

 
Ronniesabre
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
23/09/2016 23:23
Leachy signed a 3 year deal today

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
24/09/2016 00:08
Dom does not yet have a pro deal of any length - item number one on Matthew Maynard's to-do list, I would think!!!

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Scrumper (IP Logged)
24/09/2016 00:12
Oh well watching BBC4 (Sm77)

 
Farmer White
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Farmer White (IP Logged)
24/09/2016 00:30
And so it came to pass that the spirit of Chester le Street 2010 stalked the Stragglers today. And it fashioned the day in much the same pattern. A morning and early afternoon of steadily growing hope tinged with a deep foreboding that something lurked that would dash that hope. Hope and expectation not quite aligned. An uneasy feeling.

Middlesex slowly repaired an unpromising position though it seemed with little hope of getting far enough fast enough to help their cause. Yorkshire stuck hard to their task though made little enough headway. So Nottinghamshire on the TV in the Members Lounge at Chester le Street. Half way into the day we were half way to that elusive Championship or so it felt save for that nagging doubt. That little voice whispering, 'This will not be. Not this year. It is not your time'.

At Chester le Street the realisation that the whisper knew the fates dawned slowly as Nottinghamshire's controlled acceleration gradually picked off the batting bonus points; one, two, three, four, five; that they needed. In the Stragglers today the realisation came like a thunderbolt despatched by some malevolent spirit as Gale walked off after a drinks break only to return to unleash upon us the despond of declaration bowling.

Shrieks of horror, anguish and protest rent the air as our carefully built hopes crashed around us in the face of a target which Yorkshire would surely walk more easily than the local park. At Chester le Street the horror grew more slowly yet the final destruction of our hopes arrived as surely as the three Lancashire wickets Nottinghamshire needed fell like skittles in a strike.

And so at Chester le Street the dream died. At the Stragglers the spirit that sent the thunderbolt had not finished its work. As Nottinghamshire had bowled to get those three deadly wickets on the screen at Chester le Street so the spirit drove Middlesex to bowl like men inspired in the Stragglers. Yorkshire were pegged back, miraculously wickets fell, and hopes rose with the run rate. Middlesex were doing us proud. Then the final realisation dawned. Yorkshire were going to chase to the last wicket, the last wicket did not tarry and in a flash a light went out in all our hearts.

In that same flash the dream that sustained us through the last four days was no more. The Championship was gone. Memories of Chester le Street lost in the numbness of the dashing of another dream.

As only cricket can our loss and the means of it brought forward a kaleidoscope of contradictory emotions in an explosion of noise. Despair at our loss, dismay at its means, burning pride for our team, grudging admiration for our opponents' and their fight to the finish, anger at such connivance in the Championship, excitement at the spectacle of the chase, numbness at the realisation of its consequences and exaustion from the ebbing and flowing tide of raw emotion that swept up and down the Stragglers all day.

And so at the end of the day, when all has been said and done, like a latter day Phoenix from the ashes the dream faintly rises. It will germinate and grow through the winter as wounds heal and spirits rise. Spring will bring hope renewed and the dream revived with added vigour. The Stragglers 2016 and Chester le Street 2010 heroic defeats to be avenged. And this time the avenging to be done by a team seasoned in the heat of this year's incomparable challenge, sharpened by the rise of our young blades and stiffened by the example of James Hildreth's unimaginable bravery.

So let us dream again. And dare to dream that we have a team that when it comes to the hazard has it within its powers to grasp the Championship with both hands and leave all others in its wake.



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Angell Face
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Angell Face (IP Logged)
24/09/2016 01:06
I don't have a problem with a bit of joke bowling to get to a position where a declaration will give both teams a chance of winning the match. I do have a problem if it was agreed that the team chasing the runs would continue to throw the bat at the ball when they had no realistic chance of getting to the target. With 5 overs to go, only 2 wickets in hand and something like 60 runs needed it rather looked as though Yorkshire said "OK Middlesex. You win".

 
Grizzzly
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
24/09/2016 05:38
Middlesex did well & congratulations to them, but it all leaves a pretty sour taste in the mouth, with mammoth consequences derived from a grubby deal manufactured, suitably, in the dressing room toilet.

Wonderful prose from FW above, and we must surely use the winter to steel our resolve. We are not going to get (nor should we expect) any help in attaining the ultimate goal, so let's just ensure we continue the momentum of the last couple of months, right into the very start of next season. If we do, we will have the darned thing won by the middle of August.

Debate will follow over what comes next, but priority number one, must be the appointment of a Captain very much in the liking of our departing leader. Anything else would be a step backwards.

Well done to all for this season, but let us now invoke the spirit of 1979. The fantastic victories then achieved followed disappointments in 1978 which, at the time, were even harder to bear than those which we all feel today.


Grizzzly

 
Grizzzly
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Grizzzly (IP Logged)
24/09/2016 06:11
Interesting comments here from MM. Looks like a Captain is already lined up for next year, (and perhaps gives credence to CJM's recent hypothesis ?):


[www.espncricinfo.com]

Grizzzly

 
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Grockle (IP Logged)
24/09/2016 06:55
So we lose the title by a rule change. We made sure tjay wasn't going to happen this time. Then we lose it by a third party deal that has an amount of untasteful stuff in it. So the lesson to learn is "Win the CC1 early".

Learn the lessons. Move on. Come back stronger.



(Sm72)

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
24/09/2016 07:07
We shall see, Grizzly, but - had anything already been agreed with Clarke, then I cannot really see why MM could not say so.

So his comments make me wonder whether his intended target may currently be under contract with another county - i.e perhaps the Captaincy is to be dangled, by way of a carrot, to persuade somebody to move to Taunton?

 
Beergoggles
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Beergoggles (IP Logged)
24/09/2016 07:24
The deliberately bad joke bowling and the decision to deliberately exclude the draw from the equation leave a bad taste because as we all know at heart it is a hair's breadth from fixing the result.

Middlesex needed to take more risks to set a more challenging total or accept that they would have fewer overs to bowl Yorks out. It was absolutely in their gift to set up the game legitimately but they were too risk averse to try and do so.

However the worst aspects were those relating to 'do or die' cricket. The draw is a perfectly acceptable result in the previous 120 odd games in the season but not in this one, final game of the season. If Yorks had got to the final overs with no chance of winning would they have thrown their wickets away to hold up their side of the bargain ?

Glad that of the two Middlesex won because of their superb run chase to beat us at Taunton. So disappointed that they didn't have the cajones or sense of fair play to do so without the shenanigans.

 
Slow Left Chinaman
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Slow Left Chinaman (IP Logged)
24/09/2016 07:25
Well for a start the deal could be not quite done, far from done, or barely started. Or we could be wide of the mark.

 
Wickham
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Wickham (IP Logged)
24/09/2016 07:29
Beautiful writing, JCW, once again.

 
AGod
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AGod (IP Logged)
24/09/2016 07:30
Re: the other side to keep going for it business (as part of an agreement):

I actually wonder whether the same deal may have been done on our ground against Middlesex. After all, it looked like there was zero chance of bowling Middx out in the overs that were left precisely because - on a flat track - it seemed very likely that they could shut up shop if they lost early wickets.. and yet we nearly won precisely because Middx did not shut up shop at any point but just kept swinging for it.. Just a thought...

Maybe Rogers just knew that would be Franklin's mentality or maybe he did not know that Middx would just keep hitting out...........but it will be apparent that, had Middx not kept hitting out we'd have had no real chance of winning the game.

 
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Grockle (IP Logged)
24/09/2016 07:42
Hypothetical in the extreme....you really do have to try and move on from that game AG..... you seem to be stuck in a time loop of irrelevance.

It was a game. We tried a new approach, luck wasn't with us and we lost narrowly and that.....I am afraid no matter how you try to bend the events to some other reality.... was that.



(Sm72)

 
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Grockle (IP Logged)
24/09/2016 07:45
We don't seem to have used the captaincy as a 'carrot' for the purpose of attracting Davies..... unless of course we have.



(Sm72)

 
Rod1883
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Rod1883 (IP Logged)
24/09/2016 07:58
Congratulations Middlesex, deserved over the whole season despite the shenanigans of yesterday. Yes we all got the ease of the target wrong, but the inference that Yorkshire were not allowed to defend when the cause became hopeless leaves a bad taste.

I still can't accept the 5 Live Sports Extra commentator yesterday at the time of the joke bowling (don't know his name) going on about how it was the turning wickets prepared at Taunton that was to blame for what was going on!

It seems to me that the ECB wants players to be able to bat and bowl in varying and difficult (not dangerous) conditions. We are developing great spin bowlers, other counties have good spin bowlers too, and batsmen that can play spin. Yet when we prepare such pitches, which are the same for both teams playing that game, we are criticised and they would rather see flat tracks and contrived results - and then wonder why when players are elevated to test level, they can't cope with turning or other types of track around the world!

 
MESSAGES->author
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Grockle (IP Logged)
24/09/2016 08:09
Hear hear Rod.

If the pitches were illegal the many visits from inspectors would have identified them as such. I talked to one of those inspectors at the Middlesex match. He found nothing wrong with the pitch, just the batting. The next week we had the inspector in the press box. He came to the same conclusion. Somerset struggle with a moving ball at pace and everyone else it seems can't deal with good spinners.

How do they get to do that? They face them regularly!!

Each side gets the same chance....Middlesex beat us on one at Taunton,

AND Somerset did not just win at home. We beat Yorkshire away for heaven's sake. That result put us in the frame yesterday.

Talking out of their posteriors because of embarrassment about what they had to fiddle to win

It's OK guys....we'll meet you at Taunton again..... and you can moan all you like



(Sm72)

 
The Cake Taster
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Botham (IP Logged)
24/09/2016 08:28
I don't like some of what went on at Lords yesterday and it's sad that it happened at the home of cricket, but if we do what's right while we're on the pitch, then such happenings can't affect us.

Titles are won and lost over a long season.

Would have been dreadful for Sky if we'd won the title. They needed the victors to be on their live coverage.

Congratulations Middx and Compo, Barmy Kev, Chunky in Argyll et al.

 
chunkyinargyll
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chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
24/09/2016 08:45
The morning after the night before.

A tour of twitter and fans forums reveals that-

Yorkshire fans reckon they were robbed by the ECB (missing the point that Bresnan wouldn't have batted as high as 5 so therefore wouldn't have had the opportunity to score so many runs, or that Hodd, who wouldn't have played, made 60 in first innings) Those that failed for Yorkshire would have played anyway. The ones that did well either wouldn't have played (rafiq playing as Rashid wanted a rest) or would have batted lower in order- so ECB didn't have an impact. The grocer was seen laughing and joking with Gillespie on the Yorkshire balcony on day two, so no conspiracy there.

Grockles fans reckon it was a disgraceful collaberation whilst probably not realising 14 overs were lost to bad light on day one and couldn't be made up the following day because of time lost to rain on day 2. I think about 16-20 overs went out of the game because of those two stoppages, which would be the difference between setting Yorkshire a target conventionally, and having joke bowling to make up the lost time.

We don't know for sure if Yorkshire would have shut up shop, as the last 3 wickets (the tailenders) were blasted out by Middlesex rather than playing reckless shots.

And Middlesex would have blamed Mick Hunt, because we have no say in our own wickets, and would have blamed Somerset for producing 'result tracks' (something Middlesex can't do, as Mick Hunt does exactly as he pleases preparing 5 day test match wickets for four day county cricket)

Anyway, congratulations on second place. That isn't a wind up. I like you all, and I like this site. I guess it shows how much we all wanted the title that all 3 sets of supporters had their excuses lined up (someone else to blame)if it didn't end up the way we wanted.

 
Ronniesabre
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Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
24/09/2016 08:52
I concur AG re the middx game. And after all you said it was just a thought .......nothing more

 
sfwithers
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
sfwithers (IP Logged)
24/09/2016 09:03
Horrible affair at Lords, but I don't think Somerset would have done it very differently - I think Maynard and Trescothick said as much (I'm paraphrasing my father, I didn't get to listen). And Vic Marks on Radio 4 this very second just said that MM said he'd have done the same. It's just that we got caught in a very unusual - unique perhaps? - set of circumstances and we were unfortunate victims of it. Accusations of gambling conspiracies were far from the mark (and potentially libellous - I'm a magazine journalist and I wouldn't have cast aspersions like that). And loads of us misread the declaration, showing what we know - though I think Tres also thought it was generous; I thought it would be a walk in the park for Yorks (wrong, Mr Withers!). I reckon the only legitimate gripe is that Yorks seemed willing to throw it away at the end.

 
chunkyinargyll
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
24/09/2016 09:04
By the way, do you all remember what I said when Rogers joined Somerset?

That he was prepared to lose a game to win a game.

That's what happened when he set Middlesex 302 in 46 overs.

And all that happened yesterday was no different- Two captains willing to lose a game to win a game.



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MESSAGES->author
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Grockle (IP Logged)
24/09/2016 09:25
I think your signature at the bottom of your posts is out of date Botham. I think you could say we've 'sprouted'.

Titles are won and lost over a long season as you so rightly say. I'm sure your consistent support towards that end has been appreciated by...... some.



(Sm72)



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Grockle (IP Logged)
24/09/2016 09:32
I think the only thing most of the comments here say is that Yorkshire were required to play against nature when it was obvious they could not win. All credit to Toby Roland Jones but the Yorkshiremen were required to swing to reach a total that was totally unrealistic. Bowlers knew that and could bowl accordingly.

The hat trick therefore loses a little shine and the result is a little shabby. But as you say Chunky it is all part of the game we play and at least the record of the winners justified the place in the end.



(Sm72)

 
Beergoggles
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Beergoggles (IP Logged)
24/09/2016 09:35
Quote:
By the way, do you all remember what I said when Rogers joined Somerset?
That he was prepared to lose a game to win a game.

That's what happened when he set Middlesex 302 in 46 overs.

And all that happened yesterday was no different- Two captains willing to lose a game to win a game.

Completely missing the point. Nothing wrong with setting whatever target a captain wants to set. It's the gifting of runs to falsely get to that position that's the issue.

 
Beergoggles
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Beergoggles (IP Logged)
24/09/2016 09:40
The ECB etc could wait for the dust to settle and then make it known for next season that deliberate junk bowling and deliberately getting out are not acceptable as they risk bringing the game into disrepute. The key word here if course is 'could'.

 
Mike BOS
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
24/09/2016 10:03
I have just check the scoreboard to make sure I have the details correct.

Yorkshire at the end of the 35th over needed 62 runs with only two wickets remaining and five overs to get them in.

That was over twelve an over required with only two tail-enders to bat, normally they would play for a draw to stop the other team from winning.

That is what I don't like.

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
24/09/2016 10:30
"It seems to me that the ECB wants players to be able to bat and bowl in varying and difficult (not dangerous) conditions. We are developing great spin bowlers, other counties have good spin bowlers too, and batsmen that can play spin. Yet when we prepare such pitches, which are the same for both teams playing that game, we are criticised and they would rather see flat tracks and contrived results - and then wonder why when players are elevated to test level, they can't cope with turning or other types of track around the world!"

Here is what should happen (IMO, of course) - all Groundsmen should be centrally employed by the ECB with the specific aim of producing a great variety of wickets. The only type of track that should *not* be deliberately prepared are uneven ones, IMO.

Otherwise, we should have some tracks for CC games that are quick and bouncy, some that seam around, some that turn late in games (and some that turn early) etc - this would prepare prospective Test cricketers for the variety of conditions that they will see around the world. Whatever Mr Bell might think (viz his ignorant comments re: Jack), English Test players WILL encounter Test tracks - in many sub-continental places that do turn early in the piece. I know, I have seen them (maybe Bell wasn't paying attention)?

Some people will repeat the old mantra that "a good pitch is one that has pace and bounce with a little bit in it for the seamers early on and which then takes turn later." It is certainly true that good games can be had on such surfaces - sans doute. But it is also true that uniformity is stultifying and dull AND that it is far from the case that all Tests are played on such surfaces.

Unfortunately, the logical extension of my premise is that the ECB would also have to try to prepare some low and slow tracks, but so be it.

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
24/09/2016 10:33
"Grockles fans reckon it was a disgraceful collaberation whilst probably not realising 14 overs were lost to bad light on day one and couldn't be made up the following day because of time lost to rain on day 2. I think about 16-20 overs went out of the game because of those two stoppages, which would be the difference between setting Yorkshire a target conventionally, and having joke bowling to make up the lost time. "

Sorry, but we knew this.

YOu cannot serioously be suggessting that, with the addition of 16-20 overs, Middx would have been at all likely to have been able to get themselves sufficiently far ahead (vs proper bowling) to have made a reasonable declaration (one that gave both sides every chance) at all likely, Chunky?

I am not having a pop at MIddx, I'm having a pop at the joke of an ECB for allowing (under the rules) teams to deliberatly not try for a portion of the game (the joke bowling portion)>



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AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
24/09/2016 10:37
(and even if you don't agree with the point re:the missing overs, the reality is that the elements are part of the game). We could argue all off-season about what might have happened in other games, but for rain - e.g. we would almost certainly have been smashed at Durham, we would almost certainly have crushed Warks. We would probably have beaten Hants. We may well have won at home to Yorks. But for snow and other garbage weather, we might have suffered the humiliation of defeat at the Oval............etc etc. I'm sure Middlesex and Yorkshire could produce similar lists.

The ECB should outlaw the ridiculous spectre of one side not trying which, as Mikeindex rightly said, is a practice which mocks the paying punter, the integrity of the game etc.

Middlesex were unbeaten for the whole season, so they deserve the title overall, but the wider point stands.

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
24/09/2016 10:39
"Horrible affair at Lords, but I don't think Somerset would have done it very differently - I think Maynard and Trescothick said as much (I'm paraphrasing my father, I didn't get to listen)"

Bad law (or the absence of good law) will always be exploited. It's the same thing with tax avoidance - those that avoid it get criticized but their behaviour is entirely rational given the prevailing laws.

So change the laws.

(I have no doubt that Maynard and Rogers would have done the same thing).

 
nelliec
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
nelliec (IP Logged)
24/09/2016 10:47
I would like to see what the ECB do about a batsman deliberately giving away his wicket, by asking the bowler if he fancies a catch. Surely the is bringing the game into disrepute.

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
24/09/2016 10:48
Practicality wise, how could this be done?

A definition could be arrived at for an occasional bowler or non-bowler. This could be based on the average number of overs they have bowled per season over the past 3-5 seasons or so (with compensation allowed for games that they were not picked for).

A rule could be set than an occasional bowler or non-bowler is not allowed to bowl more than a certain number of overs in a game *unless* their economy rate is below a specified number of runs per over - let's say 2.5..

Or, it could, of course, be left to the common-sense discretion of the umpires which is probably a far better solution.

I'm surprised that CJM has not suggested this yet.......... I don't personally think there would have been any gambling conspiracy BUT let's just say that, had either Captain been at all reluctant to engage in yesterday's shenanigans, suffice to say that the sport's paymasters would have - sans doute - applied considerable pressure to a recalcitrant party..



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Railboy
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Railboy (IP Logged)
24/09/2016 11:56
Six years ago Durham played heart and soul and with utter professionalism to deny us the win that would have crowned us. No argument at all, in fact respect. Whilst there was no gain for them in doing so but it was their duty to the integrity of the competition. I also remember Leicester? doing the same to deny us the John Player when it would have been our first ever trophy).
It is a professional sportsman's duty _ indeed any sportsman's duty - to seek the best possible result in the circumstances. The lower order batsman yesterday and their masters who instructed them have disgraced their profession and status as sportsmen

 
Wickham
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Wickham (IP Logged)
24/09/2016 12:08
The main thing I objected to yesterday was the joke bowling. I think it should be outlawed - it is the equivalent of two football teams which, at the end of the season, need to draw simply playing tippy- tappy to each other. If yesterday's joke bowling was permissible, what is the difference between that and two teams which both need to draw to stay up (or one needing to draw to stay up and the other needing to draw to be champions) agreeing to bowl softly so that neither side wins? And while I certainly don't think that there was even the tiniest suspicion that either captain (or anyone else) was party to some sort of betting scam, any bookmaker who saw Gale go off the pitch would immediately have cut the odds on a draw.

I am well aware that, in the past, there were often contrived finishes. But those were more innocent times. Like AG, I would rely on the umpires' discretion. (Incidentally, if the match liaison officer wasn't present to rule out the use of joke bowling, what would have needed to happen for him to have intervened?)

I also agree with Railboy's comments about the apparent agreement that Yorkshire would effectively throw the match if they couldn't win.

All that said, well done (as I said yesterday) to Middlesex. If we couldn't win, I'm glad that you did. And thanks to Adelaide and to Chunkers for their generous comments - I, for one, always appreciate your contributions.

Finally, I suggest that Botham gets rid of his strapline, which looks even more ridiculous now than it did when he started using it.

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
24/09/2016 13:12
Your first question is, of course, rhetorical and the answer should indeed be obvious to all - even to those myopic moles at the ECB.

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
24/09/2016 13:19
Quite right, Railboy. I was there at CLS and Durham did their damnedest to stop us. What's more, that match was played on the same kind of lifeless track that obtained at Lord's over the previous four days, but there was no manipulation to obtain a result, inspite of said fact.

 
Clarence Parker
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Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
24/09/2016 16:51
No amount of debate or argument is going to change the course of events yesterday. However, I have a vague recollection of something that happened when we missed out on the title a few years ago.

I think that (as in the last round of matches this year) the last games of the season were about to be played with possibly 3 teams still in with a shout of the title. I thought that I had read that the E C B were going to send an official to each of the 3 games in question to ensure that no dubious declarations etc. were going to be made. This I thought they did and nothing untoward took place.

I may well be wrong and I have made a cursory search to try to find reference to it, but to no avail. Sadly I can not accurately identify the year in question, if indeed it ever happened.

Does anyone else recall reading about this?

 
nelliec
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
nelliec (IP Logged)
24/09/2016 18:40
I Wonder how much of Rule 42 was taken into consideration before the agreement between the two counties involved. "Quote"....
42 Law 42 – Fair and Unfair Play
42.1 Guidelines for the Modus Operandi of Match Referees
A Match Referee may be appointed to a specific match at any stage during the season. This will help to avoid
potentially damaging speculation relating to games where both teams could achieve their immediate goals through the result of the match.
The Match Referee will:
• Conduct a meeting with the Umpires and Captains before the start of the match
• Have the power to liaise with Umpires and Captains at any stage
• Only intervene if he feels that practices in the match are unacceptable
• Ensure that the Captains inform him of any agreements that have been reached between them
• Be available to members of the media and liaise with them immediately to head off any unjustified criticism.
If the Match Referee feels that the match is being conducted in an unacceptable manner, then he will raise his concerns with the Captain(s) and issue a formal warning. The Match Referee will inform the ECB Cricket Department and the County Chief Executive(s) concerned at the earliest opportunity of any warnings issued. If, in the Match Referee’s judgement the match continues to be conducted in an unacceptable manner, he will again call the ECB Cricket Department who will organise for the Head of Operations (First-Class Cricket) or the Umpires Manager or another accredited Match Referee to join the Referee at the match in question. The Match Referee will conduct a two-man hearing at the earliest opportunity after the end of the match.
The following will be interviewed at the hearing (an Executive of each County or their nominee will be entitled to observe the interviews):
• The Umpire
• The Captains of each team
• Anyone else deemed to have information relevant to the situation
56 57
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Playing Conditions Domestic Matches The LV= County Championship and Other First Class Matches
At the end of the interview process, the Match Referee will ask the Executives (or their nominee) to confirm that they are happy that all relevant evidence has been gathered, and that the hearing has been conducted in a fair manner. The Match Referee will contact the Chairman of the Cricket Committee and / or the ECB Chief Executive before announcing whether the sanction outlined below will be imposed.
For all other matches when Match Referees have not been appointed, the ECB Cricket Department, with the approval of the Chairman of Cricket Committee or the ECB Chief Executive, will have the authority to appoint a two-man panel to conduct a post match ‘hearing’. (The two-man Panel to consist of at least one appointed Match Referee with the Head of Operations (First-Class Cricket) and the Umpires Manager able to serve on the Panel). With no Match Referee appointed prior to the start of the match there will be no provision for a formal warning to be issued.
If in any match the conduct of one or both teams is found to have been unacceptable, then any points gained by the team(s) in the match (or matches if there was a cross-competition agreement) will be declared to be null and void.
The above penalty is imposed under the procedures agreed by ECB’s First Class Forum in December 1999.
A County has the right to appeal against the decision of the hearing. Any appeal must be communicated to the Head of Operations (First-Class Cricket) or Umpires Manager within 24 hours of the hearing’s decision. A bond in respect of the appeal will be placed via ECB having the right to deduct an amount up to £5000 from future distributions to the County in question. The bond or any part of it may be retained by the Appeal Panel at its discretion whether the appeal is successful or not. The Chairman of the Cricket Committee will be requested to convene an Appeal Panel comprising two
of his nominees and the Chairman of the Cricket Discipline Commission or his nominee who will chair the Appeal Panel. The Appeal Panel will hear the appeal as soon as possible. The decision of the Appeal Panel will be made as soon as possible after the appeal hearing and will be communicated to the home Chief Executive/Secretary at the earliest opportunity. The decision of the Appeal Panel will be final and binding.

 
rodders12
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
rodders (IP Logged)
24/09/2016 18:55
Tis done - forget it and move on - lots of ifs and buts I think but if we had not had a crazy collapse in our last match we would probably have made 400 and the extra bonus point would have made Yorkshire irrelevant and then they would almost certainly not have thrown the match away as they did. Having said that every other county has ifs and buts as well so no point dwelling on it. I will just have to try and live a little longer as I say at the end of every season.

 
Somerset LaLaLa
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
24/09/2016 19:03
Not sure about the matches in question, but also check Lancashire v Middlesex September 2014 in a relegation showdown.
The ECB was closely scrutinising the game and declarations within it e.g. to deny Middlesex a bowling bonus point - Rule 14.

Did the declaration at Lords yesterday get the nod from the umpires and the ECB as to its intent?

 
Slow Left Chinaman
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Slow Left Chinaman (IP Logged)
24/09/2016 19:07
I suppose this was different from 2010 in that the title contenders were playing against each other this time - at least they were both trying to win, it would be worse if a mid table team had made a similar deal to gift a title.

 
Somerset LaLaLa
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
24/09/2016 20:47
Key questions directly from ECB Rule 42, recent post by nelliec:

1). Who was the match referee?
2). Did the captains inform him of their agreements?
3). Did he feel the match conduct was unacceptable?

If there was no match referee when will there be a post match 'hearing'?

 
AGod
Re: The Final Countdown (Dada Dah Dah)
AGod (IP Logged)
24/09/2016 22:19
12th of never.

ECB would not dare not give Mr Murdoch what he wanted.