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New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?


By Grockle et al
January 9 2017

Welcome to 2017 everyone.  The club skipper Tom Abell will welcome you I am sure as will the rest of the squad who have all been stating their desire to get on with this season after having a good go at winning the CC1 for the first time last summer.  What are the prospects and what are we in store for... so many years of promise that haven't delivered.  Is this the one that will?

From the members who have been watching this county side stumble, fall and rise again over all of this century and a great deal of the last, through those who talk about the 'Golden Years' of Beefy and the West Indian's who graced our side, to those of us who have experienced some or all of the last 22 years within the Grockles community there are rumbling expectations that 2017 is going to be something special ion the long format game.

Personally I'm not as hopeful because I've been here before with far more reason for positive expectation but I am aware that we really ought to get this done soon because the title we desire more than any other is not long for this game in my humble opinion.  At least not in any form worth trying to win.

The County Championship First Division title has eluded Somerset for all of its professional life.  We've been close and probably were unlucky that a rule change gave it to Nottinghamshire in 2010.  We've had better potential sides than then or now and got nowhere near it and probably ought to admit that we were a little surprised when suddenly we were in with a shout in 2016.

Many seem to believe that last August and September were the curtain raiser for an onslaught on the CC1 this year that will not be denied.  Where is the source of that optimism?

We did seem to hit a rich vein of wicket takers suddenly.  It was strange because they were nearly all spinners; Jack Leach in the lead with Roelof van der Merwe suddenly bamboozling batsmen on the 'Taunton Motorway' and newbies like Dom Bess debuting with composure that suggested he had been secretly playing for the firsts since he was a babe in arms.  No one could really live with us at home for four days.  They came and were dispatched.

The tactics and composure of our Aussie captain Chris Rogers seemed to instil a confidence in our four day unit that we hadn't seen for a while.  Openers Tom Abell and Marcus Trescothick were solid and dependable.  Rogers himself finally found his form and Johann Myburgh, James Hildreth, Peter Trego and even the pilloried Jim Allenby created a middle order of some backbone.  It all went swimmingly.

Tim Groenwald led the seam attack with tight precision and Craig Overton, Josh Davey, Lewis Gregory and Pete T kept the scores in line while the slow men trundled their way through batting orders.

Well..... is this going to be the shape of good things from April?  The one day cup is moving to May it seems and the warm and balmy evenings of the summer seem to be full of three hour T20 happy slappy stuff.  Where is the Championship as the ECB whittle away at it?  Mid spring to early summer and late summer to early autumn as far a I can see.  Condusive to our new way of playing the game?  Well not really at home, though the second half looks a brighter prospect than the first.  As I have posted, I am in the West Country from early June to mid/late August and I get to see 12 days of cricket at the County Ground.  SEVEN of those 'days' are 20 over slogs in the early evening.  The playing fields of Taunton will be pristine for most of the 58 days of my summer....not sure why that is except that iut pretty much confirms the governing body of English cricket's opinion of the four day format of the game.  It is now hardly played in the time when it is at its best.  It is played on the moist nd damp fringes of the season when watching and playing are at their worst leaving the good times for the money stuff.  How much did we lose to India by?  

Anyway, what changes do we expect to see to the unit that will start our 'main priority' competition in very early April?  We know Chris Rogers will not be returning after his retirement and the club have taken a bold move in investing in youth by making Tom Abell  the club captain and skipper of the four day unit.  Brave say some, a statement of the future say others and I'm with the 'twelve men and true' of the jury and will await to see the outcome.  It is good to see a statement of confidence in the young opener and there is no doubt that the potential is there so we will rally around and look for good things.

Marcus will be putting on his gloves and picking up the bat after a really excellent 2016 campaign and we want runs from the off from him.  The number three spot was not all that convincingly filled by our skipper last year until the last game and we have yet to announce the international pick for this year.  I personally am hoping to see Johann Myburgh stake a claim after watching him destroy Tahir of Notts during our mauling of them at Trent Bridge last summer.  If the man can take on an attack like that this year we don't have to worry about the 3 spot.  Four will be the spot for the best English championship batsman in the country.  England don't want him so we'll gratefully stick him in every game and expect James Hildreth to deliver as he has started to do each season in his later career.  

Jim Allenby will be skippering the white ball games and we must all be hoping that he can produce some of the better form he offered us in the four day game after a scratchy start to his second season.  I'd like to see Adam Hose taking an interest in four day cricket and of course we have to find a spot for Steve Davies at least as a CC1 batsman if not as a constant keeper.  Pete is looking like a batting allrounder these days and will probably finish off at least our starting 6.  There are others looking for places from the academy so the older boys had better be on their toes.

The batting unit HAS to fire from day one of game one and we have to produce totals that provide our bowlers with the time they need to remove 20 wickets.  Draws won't do it we have to WIN early games and not come up on the rails in the second half of the CC1 season.  Weather is our constant opponent.  You can't beat other sides without the time to do it and the environment seems to be one of the main deciding factors in the CC1 these days thanks to the ECB's lack of understanding of the importance of the longer game because of the distraqction of the 'Mighty Dollar' (or Rupee) perhaps.  Can't wait to watch the rain downpour being highlighted by the floodlights in those newly exciting CC1 day/night matches.

Our bowling unit has created expectations they now have to fulfill.  Tim Groenewald has taken to the role of veteran leader of the attack as Charl and Alfonso did before him.  The Overtons will both be fit and as Pete moves to batting allrounder, maybe Lewis is moving to a bowling one.  He was Rogers' 'go to man' last season and rarely disappointed.  Josh Davey came in and showed potential last season and Ollie Sale and others may want a say in 2017 so we have seam but not huge experience.

We now also have spin.  Whether Jack Leach was ready to push England to better performances in india during the winter or not is a debate being had.  His 'dodgy' action (has anyone actually seen the problem) has now been sorted and we all know he IS ready to push his county further.  His backups are also hitting their straps and many expect some good things from Dom Bess.  We are lucky that RvdM seems to have got himself organised now and can act as the older head for the young men.  There were times last season at home that he was unplayable himself so it all looks promising.

Our bowlers were criticised for getting 'all' their wickets at 'Ciderabad'.  Our batsemn were criticised for getting all their runs on the flat unresponsive 'M Taunton'.  At home everyone expects us to win games for whichever contradictory reason the summarisers and 'experts' at SKY give for the victory.  Our away form will be the decider.  We usually start slow and we usually do better in the warmer second part of the CC.  We have to start hard and ensure that the second half of the summer puts us in the driving seat with the pack chasing.

Will it happen?  Well it could.  It has been on the cards before and it didn't.  Maybe.....just maybe this is the year.   A revisit in late May amy give us a more solid answer but the West Country certainly expects and there aren't that many years left for Somerset to promise and then come up short.  Dare to dream people.....it's nothing new. 

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New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
Grockles.com (IP Logged)
09/01/2017 05:01
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Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
09/01/2017 12:15
Dare to dream about Somerset cricket? Nightmares are more likely.

I don't give a jot or tickle about T20 or one day stuff. In the Championship we played above ourselves in 2016 in no small part due to the leadership of Chris Rogers. Sadly he has now gone and Abell will probably have a much lesser impact on his team. I wish him well though.

Opposition batsmen will probably give Jack Leach the charge this year so I don't expect him to have the impact that he did last year.

What do farmers say? After one good harvest there is often a fallow one. Same with Somerset cricket.

The Academy kids are just names. They have no experience at first team level and that is what we are lacking. Last year there were good cricket grounds for dropping a couple of players from the side because of indifferent form, and Abell springs to mind. But they weren't because we had nobody to replace them with. Nobody that is with experience because the squad is too weak and we have not recruited well to date over the winter. Too many old men creaking at the joints and some kids with only Public School and a bit of second eleven cricket behind them.

I think that Steve Davies will do well but isn't he our only signing. No overseas player announced yet. Has Maynard even started to look for one?

Good luck to the lot of them. I shall be loitering with comments both good and not so good.

Happy New Year indeed.

 
Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
09/01/2017 12:19
Are you really a Somerset supporter?

You only seem happy when you are unhappy.

I've got more of a soft spot for Somerset than you- and I support the Middle!

 
Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
09/01/2017 14:27
Yes, and I can guess where your soft spot is chunky.

I am more than happy when I am met with your kind of response.

A supporter - Yes. A long standing member - Yes. With a lot of knowledge on Somerset past and present - Yes.

Ask me another.



A glass half - empty or a glass half - full?
Regardless, both glasses need filling up.

 
Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
09/01/2017 14:38
But I don't get it.

You finished 2nd last year which is good- Yes?

It's not first- but it's better than 16 other sides managed.

You see- for you to be 'right' Somerset have to keep failing, don't they?

And surely a true supporter would be wanting them to do well.

Why not try encouraging the team you 'support' You went AWOL when Somerset had a mathematical chance of winning the championship- because you knew your relentless pessimism wouldn't be well received

Even when you say something vaguely 'positive' there is always a caveat- like any praise at all is reluctantly given through gritted teeth.

 
Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
Grockle (IP Logged)
09/01/2017 14:46
You've proved yourself something of a comic turn on here already Tom with your strange trolling activity last year and your significant absence whenever things go right.

You are here at the pleasure of the majority to add a little light relief. I wouldn't take yourself, your membership or what you do or do not know too seriously. Few here do.

Some may dare to dream. Good luck to them. It's what supporters tend to do.

Sometimes it comes to nothing but not always.

Your predictions that it would all end in tears last year worked for most of us so please keep it up.

Moan us to the title my boy!!



(Sm72)

 
Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
09/01/2017 15:00
I never went AWOL Chunky.

I seem to recall that you did just that yourself when you announced both on here and MTWD that you had had a pantsfull of those cricket sites.

Why did you return, here in particular, when you support the Middle?

And please do not take me too seriously Grockle, for I certainly don't take you seriously either.

 
Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
09/01/2017 15:12
You're right. You got a ban didn't you?

My withdrawal was simply because I wanted a rest from it for a while (because it can be become a bit of an obsession).

Seriously- we can all go through stages when we are disenchanted with things. A lot of us got very negative on MTWD when we had an appalling T20 run (something like 2 wins in 18 matches) but I knew I was a true fan, because the moment we won a T20 game, and won it well, I was overjoyed. Up until that point I was almost in 'I hope we lose again' territory- as in if things got really bad something would HAVE to happen.

But it really does feel you are only happy when your team gives you cause to complain.

 
Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
Grockle (IP Logged)
09/01/2017 15:12
I'm here to provide a service and talk about cricket Tom.

What you are here for is beyond most of us but your presence is a pretty neutral aspect to me.

That is probably the best situation for you while posting on this site.

So don't abuse the service and keep on topic as much as you find it possible to and we may not have to take each other too seriously all season.



(Sm72)

 
Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
09/01/2017 15:50
To get things on track- Somerset's younger players should continue to improve. Will that be counter-balanced by a decline in Trescothick's form? Overseas sorted yet?

Only 8 teams in championship this year.

I can't see Hants, Essex, Lancs, or Warwicks being in the hunt- so that leaves Middle, Somerset, Yorkies and Surrey entitled to think they have a chance (been totally fair here in including Surrey in the top 4)

There are too many variables- weather affecting one team more than another- international call ups- dare I say pitches that may or may bot be conducive to producing a result- for anyone to be certain who will in the title- but I definitely have Somerset in with a shout.

Last match of the season Somerset V Middle- Championship decider- Live on Sky.

You read it here first.

 
Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
Following on (IP Logged)
09/01/2017 16:08
Chunky, I'm booking the leave now to be able to attend all four days in brilliant sunshine!!

 
Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
09/01/2017 16:54
Did I get a ban chunky? News to me. Consult Grockle.

Are you always flavour of the month on MTWD? I don't think so, but anyway your opinion on Somerset cricket is pretty immaterial to me and always will be.

I am as happy as a sandboy whereas you appear to be getting grumpier by the post.

Happy days.

 
Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
09/01/2017 17:03
So where do you think Somerset will finish, Tom?

Give me a number from 1-8

I assume 1 would be far too positive, as that would involve winning something.

 
Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
09/01/2017 17:34
One player that I would like to see being given some first team experience this season is George Bartlett. He and Hankins were, I believe, equally rated as schoolboys. Hankins has been given a few chances by Gloucestershire and responded well, Somebody here has said that Bartlett reminds him of Lathwell in the quality of his strokeplay. That's good enough for me.



LoL

Sixty-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
09/01/2017 17:47
I don't make predictions chunky. I leave that to the intelligensia.

Hankins is yet another ex Millfieldian. Did Bartlett go to the same institution?

 
Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
Streeter (IP Logged)
09/01/2017 18:13
Walk away chunky, he's not worth it ! Lol.
And i'm not sure if I've said it before but i love having contributions from outside of our county.It helps me stay objective(er).

 
Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
Grockle (IP Logged)
09/01/2017 19:04
Yes you are correct Chunky about the partial reason for Tom's absence.

He was removed for a time - brought about by his own strange behaviour of creating a second identity with an even larger ego than the first and then talking to it while it abused other posters.

Mr Seymour was fully informed of the posting restriction and the reason for it. No idea why he seems to feign ignorance of that fact.

He did then seem to choose to keep his views to himself for a while which did coincide with Somerset's more successful period of 2016. Odd that.

I think you are probably right to stay away from any interaction with any 'intelligentsia' if that is the kind of activity you think you can get away with Tom. Seems you were wrong in that assessment.

A request for an act of charity by some members at the end of the season as a kind of celebration of our later performances persuaded me to make the absence less permanent. Possibly out of curiosity about what he would make of the end of the season...he's been very quiet over the winter of 2016.

But that reprieve won't be happening again if Tom decides to outstay his less than unanimous second welcome. Now that he seems to believe it is safe to re-enter the water it is hoped that he gives the murkier internet depths a wider berth.

Also good to see you staying away from predictions Tom. Those you attempted last season didn't do too well. Good policy to stay with what happens on the pitch and discuss it from more than one angle. A much better area to try and improve on. It certainly needs it.



(Sm72)



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Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
09/01/2017 20:00
Those players that are at the CG were running around the outfield this afternoon in the rain, when I returned later they were going back inside looking knackered.

 
Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
mikeindex (IP Logged)
09/01/2017 20:58
Actually Tom, you predicted
1) that Jack Leach would do less well this year
2) that Tom Abell would not have Rogers' impact and that
3) "After one good harvest there is often a fallow one - same with Somerset cricket", which sounds to me like a prediction however gnomically phrased.

"Too many old men creaking at the joints and some kids with only Public School and a bit of second eleven cricket behind them" doesn't exactly equate to "let's wait and see how they do" either - but as you're doubtless about to point out, you have been following Somerset for longer than I have which makes you Top Trump.

Incidentally it's "jot or tittle".
Not tickle.
Tickled me though.

 
Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
mikeindex (IP Logged)
09/01/2017 21:08
Quote:
Loyal of Lhasa
Somebody here has said that Bartlett reminds him of Lathwell in the quality of his strokeplay. That's good enough for me.

I think that would have been me LoL.

I may even have said that young George's knock in the 2nd XI semi was the best single innings I remember watching from an English batsman his age since seeing the 19-year old Gower stroke 33 off Beefy and Hallam in 1976.

Please note the words "single innings" and do not quote me as saying that George will score 8231 Test runs. But he is most certainly a talent worth watching.

Apparently no relation to Ricky Bartlett.

 
Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
MendozaLine (IP Logged)
09/01/2017 21:09
Trawling through Twitter I note that Mr Dobell has stated our overseas will be announced this week, with most saying that it will be Elgar (but not confirmed by GD himself). If that is the case, I imagine he will slot in at 3 (rather nicely, too, if he can keep up his recent Test form).



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Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
mikeindex (IP Logged)
09/01/2017 21:18
I was not hugely impressed with Elgar in his previous stint here, but his Test record since and the little I've seen of it on Sky suggest that he has tightened up a good deal in the interim.

As he seems to be most comfortable at the top of the order, I could see a case (assuming he is coming here, which is not yet confirmed) for batting him at the top of the order and moving either Marcus or Tom down one.

 
Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
10/01/2017 00:42
Nice overall summary of our prospects Grockle, highlighting once again the nonsense that is the fixture list, particularly in so far as the Championship is concerned.

I'm pretty bullish about the season. We have last years momentum to build on & which needs to be carried forward on the field in the early season. How many times over the years have we turned up in April & May ? If we can turn that corner there may be riches indeed in 2017.

I think a lot hinges on how Tom performs as skipper and with the bat, so fingers firmly crossed that he will thrive on his new responsibility.

I also have a feeling that Dom Bess may turn out to be every bit as good as last season's appetite whetting efforts suggested.

Keep the faith chaps.

Grizzzly

 
Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
Grockle (IP Logged)
10/01/2017 04:17
I can't say Dean Elgar fills me with excitement in the first instance but as others say he seems to have improved since his last stint here.

We do seem to do a little better with the less well known international players we choose than the 'names'. I looked forward to all the world famous Sri Lankan signings and was pretty much disappointed in all of them overall. Rogers came good in the end but it was a bit of a slog. Jamie Cox, Shane Lee, Cameron White and young future stars like Greame Smith or even Steve Waugh probably gave us a little more.

If Dean has tightened up his technique then he may be more of an asset. There are a lot of players looking for batting berths now so a man with more than one string is probably a more sensible way to go if we want to keep developing the younger home grown stock.



(Sm72)

 
Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
10/01/2017 11:42
Hankins and Bartlett (both called George) were Millfield contemporaries. Checking in Wisden, I find that Hankins had a rather better record:

2014
Hankins 299 @ 33.25. Bartlett 280 @ 23.33
2015
Hankins 1000@ 71.42. Bartlett 328 @ 36.44



LoL

Sixty-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
10/01/2017 15:24
Yes chunkyinargyll, you would be sensible to stick to cricket matters on here, and Somerset ones at that. That of course does not only apply to you.

When one starts to get personal towards another poster, then one immediately loses the argument, even if you started it in the first instance.

We have in the past had infiltrators from MTWD on here trying to cause ill feeling – Gerry and Loverboy for instance. None have had any feeling or support for Somerset – not even a “soft spot.” With only malice in mind, they have all paddled down the River Swanee. Who will be next?

Why get worked up into a frenzy anyway about someone else’s forecasts or predictions? If everyone was of the opinion that Somerset were going to win all 3 trophies in 2017, then the existence of this site would be futile would it not?



A glass half - empty or a glass half - full?
Regardless, both glasses need filling up.

 
Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
10/01/2017 15:37

 
Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
10/01/2017 15:58
Importantly (to me at least), would Elgar be available for the whole season (or at least all the CC games)?

 
Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
10/01/2017 16:17
A Nice positive thought Chunky. (Sm93)

 
Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
RadstockRob (IP Logged)
10/01/2017 18:36
The infiltrators you name Tom were the same person!

It's best you stick to cricket matters!

 
Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
Wickham (IP Logged)
10/01/2017 22:08
It is always a pleasure to read the contributions of a genuine cricket-lover, such as yourself, Chunky - and also to see the perspective of a supporter of another county. Long may you continue to contribute here.

 
Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
10/01/2017 22:22
Thanks Wickham (and others)

I do understand how some Somerset fans might get frustrated, because you have nearly won a number of trophies in the last few years, without getting over the line. But surely it has to be better to be in with a shout than nowhere. It might be easier for Maynard if he had taken charge of a team like Derbyshire, when expectations wouldn't be high in the first place. It's fine for supporters to have high standards and expectations, and to be critical sometimes. But I reckon a real fan would have been right behind his team last September, and full of hope and expectation, and enthusiasm about possibly winning the title. But for Tom to be right (his opinion vindicated) relies on Somerset not winning- which seems an odd way to 'support'.

 
Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
10/01/2017 22:55
Quote:
RadstockRob
The infiltrators you name Tom were the same person!
It's best you stick to cricket matters!

I know that Rob, and he also had at least one other name which I cannot recall. A bit like you in fact. How many aliases have you had on Grockles?

Chunky is not a supporter of Somerset despite his appearances on here. He says - "a real fan would be full of hope and expectation, and enthusiasm about possibly winning the title." On MTWD he cheered on Middlesex on winning the championship. By his own logic he can't be duplicitous in hoping that Somerset would win the title.

Why? I knew full well that we would not get over the line. How many years ago was it that we were in the running for the T20, Championship and 40? over competition right at the end of the season. I ruffled a few feathers at the County Ground (no Grocklees or whatever you call them around - what a shame) when I said "we won't win anything this year."

And once again I was right. Did that mean that I did not wish us to win 1, 2 or even 3 competitions? No! No and No again! I simply recognised that under a poor captain we didn't have the bottle to win anything. In 2016 we had a good captain but had too much to do in the latter stages because of a poor start.

It's all really quite simple.



A glass half - empty or a glass half - full?
Regardless, both glasses need filling up.

 
Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
Grockle (IP Logged)
11/01/2017 03:08
Loverboy had a great number of identities. He operated very much in the same vein as your good self last season Tom. Inventing seperate identities simply to cause a nuisance rather than discuss issues from a solid background. A true troll. He tried to maintain his presence well after his welcome had been played out.

He too professed a support for his adopted county but was banned from that site and eventually from most of this network and many others as people identified his true agenda...to be a troll and little more.

It was sad as the man had a considerable knowledge of his county's past and cricket in general but could not use it in a positive manner due to his primary desire to simply be a provocative pain in everyones posterior just for the weird kick it must have given him.

There's no place for idiots like him on MTWD or here and when he couldn't adapt to stay part of the community he was shown the door with very little regret.

Rob's changes of name on the other hand have been simply because of changes of location and PC on one occasion I believe. However I think 'Rob' has always been 'Rob' as far as I can remember and has never tried to pretend he is someone else. That strange trait is only used by a small minority who have other agendas usually. We've had a few....most move on when they don't get the reactions they want.

Those that can't leave it alone either adapt or are helped on their way to either more of the same elsewhere or towards a more fulfilling life by kindly moderators....it's a sort of public service. Loverboy is the only poster I have ever had to ban permanently in some 23 years



(Sm72)



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Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
MendozaLine (IP Logged)
11/01/2017 07:39
Shepton Paul - I have to admit to not having checked this myself, but from what others have said apparently the SA tour mostly clashes with the T20 block, and he would therefore only miss 1-2 CC games. I'd guess one or two t20 specialists will be taken on in that period.

 
Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
11/01/2017 07:56
Tom- I never said I was cheering on Somerset. I said I couldn't understand why you don't.

There are a few other counties I particularly like for one reason or another- Worcestershire, Durham, Northants (the latter because they keep doing well in T20 despite the fact George Dobell was predicting their funeral on a near weekly basis at one point).

1985, and I even went to a couple if Somerset matches not involving Middlesex- because the one first class player I can claim to have known (because he played for my local club side) was on the Somerset staff.

It's not all confrontation and everyone else is the enemy- which is probably why I prefer cricket over football.



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Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
RadstockRob (IP Logged)
11/01/2017 08:48
I've never had an alias Tom as Grockle points out!

 
Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
11/01/2017 10:34
Chunky - I shall continue to be a member of Somerset, attend matches whenever I can and support the team in the way that I know best.

If, on the basis of the way we will have played I think we deserve to be relegated, I shall say so. If I think we really are going to get over the line and win something, then again I shall say so. If I consider that the club's management and / or administration leaves a lot to be desired, then I shall say so. If we as a team or any one individual do especially well, again you will hear from me to that effect.

If you or anyone else cannot accept that, then it really is of no concern to me, for I shall have no qualms about it.

Derbyshire and Worcestershire are the two other clubs for whom I have a strong affinity, and I would certainly like to see them both in the top division again before too long.

I used to like Surrey but not now, though that is not entirely to do with Batty or the Kartik mankading of Alex Barrow. Not an assured prediction, but if I were a betting man I would put a tenner on them winning the championship this year. We shall see of course.

Who was the one first class player who was on the Somerset staff in 1985 who had played for your local club side? I may have known him myself.

 
Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
11/01/2017 11:56
See if you can work it out from this scorecard, Tom.

[www.cricketarchive.com]

Happy to report I saw the day that mattered.

Point is, if you have a soft spot for a few other counties then if your side doesn't get to T20 finals day you can get behind Northants, or whoever, and that makes it more fun (for me anyway) than sitting there thinking, 'I'm not bothered who wins today'.

 
Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
11/01/2017 12:25
Was it the man whom Somerset flew home from overseas because they had so many injuries? Had a spell prior to this with Hants.

If so, I met him once in a professional capacity.

 
Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
11/01/2017 12:43
Well, they didn't fly him home from overseas, because Richard Hayward is english born and bred, although he did have the distinction of being the first non New Zealander to be officially appointed captain of a NZ domestic team (Central Districts) so that is possibly where you might have got the idea he was a foreigner.

No Kolpaks in those days- so if you had an injury crisis you had to look elsewhere. These days I doubt you would give a chance to a 31 year old playing minor county cricket for Bucks, but those were different times.

I don't think you would have liked him much, because he always did his best, but ultimately couldn't quite bridge the gap between minor counties and first class, so if the internet was around then I'm sure you would have been rubbishing Somerset for signing someone not quite good enough.

I wouldn't know if he would put 100 on debut for Hants v Sri Lanka ahead of sharing in a 144 partnership with the great Viv Richards at Lords, but certainly a day to remember.

Now settled in Nelson, New Zealand.

 
Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
11/01/2017 13:44
You really are an embittered person Chunky. You have a sad and twisted opinion of others it would seem without having any justification.

Firstly, I know full well that he is English born and therefore never considered him to be a "foreigner."

Secondly, he was "flown home from overseas." In 1985, Somerset finished bottom in the championship. They had endured a lot of injuries, and in trying to raise a team, someone said -"What about that bloke who used to play for Hants. and who is out in New Zealand at the moment?" Richard Hayward was approached and in an attempt to have a second go at being a professional cricketer in England, agreed to return to these shores if Somerset paid for his flights etc.

Not only do I remember it very well, but also it states in David Foot's excellent publication "Sixty Summers - Somerset cricket since the War" the following -

"RICHARD HAYWARD 1985

They (the club) rushed the left - hander back from New Zealand to help prop up an injury - ravaged Somerset side in 1985. He obliged with a neat hundred against Cambridge University, but managed only nine matches before being squeezed out when the county were back to full strength. Previously he had made 13 appearances for Hampshire."

As I told you, I met him once in my professional capacity and we exchanged memories and information. So please don’t try to tell me that I wouldn’t have liked him (or anyone else come to that) much, because that is for me and me alone to form an opinion about.

 
Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
11/01/2017 13:56
I have to say I'm surprised he was flown home from NZ, because at that stage he was still coming back to the UK each summer anyway. I can't remember now if Somerset made the approach as early as Feb or March 85. If so then I suppose he might have curtlailed NZ a few weeks early for pre season training.

I do remember him playing for Ickenham the day Viv Richards scored 322, because he kept asking me for regular updates (I was in scorebox) I could tell he was gutted to have missed being there as it would have been one of those special 'bonding' moments.

Anyway, you support Somerset as you see fit.

Whatever makes you happy and all that.

(Sm93)

 
Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
Grockle (IP Logged)
11/01/2017 17:26
Quote:
Tom Seymour
....If we as a team or any one individual do especially well, again you will hear from me to that effect....

Well that will be a nice change from last season...... when we really didn't.

Can't wait for that balance in your assessments. Roll on the summer.



(Sm72)

 
Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
11/01/2017 17:35
So now you have the grace to say that you're "surprised he was flown home from NZ" as opposed to previously having said "they didn't fly him home from overseas,"

That's some progress I suppose.

I recall hearing the news that he was coming over, but it was certainly when the season was already underway. He was not here at the start of the season because his signing and registration really was an emergency measure.

His first game for Somerset (John Player League v Warwickshire at Taunton) was on the day following Richards' triple century against the same opposition.

 
Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
11/01/2017 19:34
Sorry, but I really do think you have that wrong. Your book may say he was flown back from NZ, but I don't think that is right. Checking back you are correct to say JPL debut 2nd June, and 100 in university match was 29th June. But I'm sure he was already home, and playing club cricket when the call came from Somerset (as in club match I mentioned wouldn't have been his first appearance for us that season) I know he made three conditions before saying 'Yes' to the deal. The only one I remember was insisting he was free one match in August, because his wedding was that day (so clearly was always going to be in UK) Now you wouldn't set a wedding day in August if you already had a pro contract, but Somerset agreed. Previous season still playing for Bucks. It was only playing the season for Somerset that ended his Bucks association.

Anyway, keep supporting Somerset.

But try to be a bit more positive in your support. I don't know if you are constantly negative to get a reaction, or if you don't realise how negatively you come across.

Anyway, I've no desire to bore everyone by keeping the conversation going, so I'll leave it there.

Edit to add- and it was very much an SOS from Somerset, because of injury crisis. They wanted him because he had some experience, and was available. The fact he played no 2nd XI matches for Somerset prior to June suggests the deal must have been done late May (as in already in UK and available) I remember how excited we all were that he was getting an unexpected 2nd chance at county cricket.



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Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
11/01/2017 19:59
Laughable. Have you never heard of people being contacted by telephone even in the 1980's?

It was over 31 years ago, but I still vividly remember the story of him in New Zealand answering an SOS from Somerset to come over PDQ.

You think I am wrong and you also think that David Foot (one of the best scribes there has ever been on Somerset cricket) is also wrong.

Well bully for you Chunkyinargyll. You support Middlesex in any way you like. You don't support Somerset and this is a Somerset site, so frankly I don't give a monkeys if you think I "come across negatively".

Enjoy your slumber.

 
Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
Grockle (IP Logged)
12/01/2017 07:26
Is it possible that we can now take it as read that you don't care how anyone reads your posts or whatever Tom? Or are you going to insist on adding it to every post you make where someone might disagree with you on a minor or major point of order?

For the record, this is an OPEN Somerset supporters site.

We do not limit it to those who support, we do not give those people some kind of extra priority or importance though one would assume they make up the majority of people who read or post.

We do ask people to be aware of that function of this site (I think some have even pointed it out to you in the past) and the perspective it might produce in some of the posts but anyone is welcome whether they have never seen Somerset before or have been ingrained in the county's activities for millennia. The only requirement is that people follow the rules when posting.

In fact I think I am right in saying that Chunky has been an active member of this site longer than you have and his contributions seem to be welcomed by most of those who interact with him.

Maybe the antagonistic nature of your discussions stems from the fact that you both seem to come from different 'minority' areas of this site's general makeup but the majority has more affinity with Chunky then with yourself? I'm sure you don't care about this so please don't post back telling us all how much you don't care... I think we get the general point.



(Sm72)



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Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
12/01/2017 09:58
Well if you get the general point, then you have made progress.

 
Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
Grockle (IP Logged)
12/01/2017 13:15
Yep - can't wait to see your own progress when you praise as well as criticise the players if they do well.... exciting isn't it (Sm160)



(Sm72)

 
Re: New Year, New Captain is 2017 the one?
Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
16/01/2017 22:25
Quote:
Grockle
Quote:
Tom Seymour
....If we as a team or any one individual do especially well, again you will hear from me to that effect....

Well that will be a nice change from last season...... when we really didn't.

Can't wait for that balance in your assessments. Roll on the summer.

Well someone was having a bad day last August, and it certainly wasn’t me when I said -


Re: To the death with Durham CC1
Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
06 August, 2016 12:25

"An excellent victory, so well done to all who played their part."

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