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Glamorgan plus one T20


By Grockle et al
August 13 2017

A vague Southern group and a set of vague Somerset performances in terms of consistency create a 'must win' atmosphere at Taunton today.  Glamorgan have a more certain future than we do but it seems two wins will put us through to the knock out stage.

V GLAMORGAN @ Taunton Sunday 13 August 2017

Scorecard

Commentary

The last T20 at Taunton this year?  If so Jim Allenby's swansong as our one day captain?  The equation seems to be that if Glamorgan win they are through and if we lose we are done.  If we win then the maths people get their tables out and look at other results but it is pretty much that we need to win the last one to be one oof the four.

The side as listed on the scorecard is;

Davies S, Gregory, Allenby, Myburgh, Elgar, Hildreth, van der Merwe, Overton C, Trego (for Groenewald), Waller, van Meekeren

There is the possibility that they may bring in a second spinner but there is little chance that there will be a move of the skipper down the order or that he will step aside for another batsman.  One has to ask whether the problem is in the bowling.  It seems that at home we have struggled to get a competitive score and the problem seems to be in the early middle order.  That problem has NOT been Johann Myburgh when he has been fit so I'll leave it to the forum to talk about who it might be.

Jim has won the toss and we will chase.  Surprise news (well at least given the reecent past) is that Trego is in for van Meerkeren I think.  But it seems not.  Tim Groenewald is not in - I must assume he is being saved for a CC1 game and possibly has a slight niggle, that is the only reason I can give.

The ground is another 'sell out' but it isn't full at the moment - the membership issue (which is at every ground it seems) still creates gaps.  The CA bottom section is full as is the Botham and the Ondaatje.  There are gaps in the other areas.  I'll leave other posters to tell you where and how appalling it is.  Come up with a solution guys.

Max (could be his last Taunton outing as well come too think of it) opens the bowling for us against Donald and Selman and he goes for 5.  As with the Kent game yesterday RvdM opens at the pavilion end.  They go after him and they have 17 at the end of the second with both batsmen having a belt.  Craig takes the third (is this predicatable?  Was this the order yesterday?) Selman puts one over his head first up and then he gives away a legside four to take them to 25 halfway through the third.

The Meerkat takes the fourth with 28 up.  He gets Selman to flash but the ball flies over Hildreth to the boundary. 35 after 4 and Lewis takes the 5th. His first is a boundary off a long hop and we hope for better as Selman is presently going at 2 runs a ball.  The second is the long hop and the third goes for a boundary over his head.  SShort balls will go here - how many times do the players have to see it happen before they get the message?  The 50 comes up with a ludicrous shoulder high no ball which is followed by another 4.  He goes for 19 off is first and we seem to be on for a possible hiding again.

Back to van Meekeren to do something and his first is just short of a length where the ball needs to be at his pace.  Selman is still working at 2 per ball faced so Donald needs to do very little.  64 after 6 so if in doubt change ends.  Allenby  brings RvdM back at the River end bbut it doesn't seem to be having any real effect as Donald also starts to open his shoulders and hits consecutive boundaries square and oover the bowler's head. 78 after 7 and it isn't getting any better as no Somerset bowlers seems to have any plan to deal with these batsmen.  

Waller also changes ends and nearly fools Donald with his first and then with his second but Doonald is oon the charge and slogs his way into the 30'a while Glamorgan move to 85 after 8.  Craig tries to stop the rot while Donald suddenly decides he was too farmer-like last over and tries to be clever when a straight drive would be effective enough. Selman goes down, hits the single and goes to 50 off 26 balls with 8 fours.  Donald tries to put one into the Siomerset stand and is caught by Gregory for 32 out of 87 for 1

AND JIM ALLENBY COMES ON TO BOWL THE 10TH!!!!   Against the man we let go Colin Ingram.  He goes for 8 and it is 95 for 1 at halfway.  200 up for us to chase?

The Welsh pass 100 4 balls into the 11th and Roelof puts some brake on during the next two.  113 for 1 after 13 BUT with 9 wickets in hand. But we do get somethings going our way when Max gets Selman for 66 at 127 stumped and goes off on one of those celebrations he is now becoming a Twitter start for.  This is an improvement and it continues as van Meekeren destroys Cook's stumps with a clean ball which takes out two and leaves the middle stump standing at 128 at the start of the 16th.

Unfortunately when you have wickets in hand all this does is starts the onslaught early and Ingram and Wagg start to go for it early.  by the end of the 17th the Welsh have passee 150 (153) and look for more off the last 3.  The skipper turns to Lewis and he gets Ingram with his first going for a huge six to the Gimblett's caught on the boundary by Dean Elgar. Rudolph finally comes to the middle to steer his side home but there is hope in Somerset hearts that they can keep this down below 200 - not a realistic prospect at halfway to be honest.

It's over 170 by the end of that one and the skipper still goes back to the old favourites even though he is one of the only bowlers to go for less than double figures.  he isn't an option though it seems.  Lewis is bowled out with an injury but the captain only bowls one?  No sense to me or many others.  Maybe that is why we won't be all that sad to see him leave at the end of this season.  Craig  gets a wickets as they try and pepper the boundary.  Goodbye Rudolph thanks to the hands of van Meekeren. In comes Craig M to partner Wagg to the end with 9 balls to face. and the 200 still on at a push.  This is goiing to be at least a par score as we face 179 with 6 balls to go.

The final over is to be bowled by The Meerkat from the Pavilion.  He pitches up the first and Mesch is through the shot before the ball arrives.  He takes a single off the second.  With the usual luck here, Mesch is run out backing up as van Meekeren gets both hands to a return and diverts it onto the stumps with Craig M way out.  Excellent last over by The Meerkat who only goes for 4 but the best figures come from Max Waller.

They pulled it back in the second half to some extent and kept Glamorgan down to a par score but the batsmen had to help them get themselves out, few looked like taking wickets except Paul van Meekeren who put them under the cosh in the second half with some good stuff in withe the loose stuff.  He has some pace and when he pitches up he is a handful.

The Reply

A good start is vital and Steve Davies trying to chop a wide one is not what is required and we are 1 for 1.  At least they send Johann Myburgh in at number 3.  We have 2 runs after the first over bowled by Salter.  Wagg takes the second.  It looks like a score we can get and we are going for it... well until Lewis pops one up when going well and he is gone with a whimper at 26.  So we look to Myburgh  and Dean to get us going in this one but we have started, as someone says, 'sluggishly'.  After 5  we have just over 40 and bring up the 50 with a sublime drive from Elgar halfway through the 6th.  It does look like a belter of a pitch and if we were in any kind of form we would smoothly move through this target and get it without problem.  Not the case though and a substantial stand from these twoo is what we hope for.

As we move towards the halfway stage Somerset still have hopes.  Hogan takes the 10th with Dean (24 from 18) and Johann (40 from 26) still there.  However, Elgar is caught halfway through the over for 24 and we are 87 for 3.  In comes James Hildreth to keep the momentum going and Somerset hopes alive a little longer.  After 10 overs we are 2 behind at 93 for 3 and it is still on.  Unfortunately James allows himself to be rushed by one and simply flips it to Ingram just after the 100 arrives at the end of the 11th.  Allenby is the next man in and he sees Johann reach onther 50 off 33 with 5 fours and 2 sixes - one of which brings up the half ton.  At the end of the 13th the home side have reached 118.

The 150 comes up with just over 4 to go.  Johann  is on 81 off 46 and even Jim has got the bug  with 17 off 12 - very unusual for him.  Maybe the fact that the skipper is seeing JM in full flow will change his view of the man because if we win this one HE is the reason for it.   All they have to do now is NOT panic.

So with 3 overs to go we need 21.   Allenby runs himself out going for a quick single. 164 for 5 with 2.3 overs to go.  In comes RvdM.  Johann is then bowled by de Lange for 87 and it all gets squeeky bum again. 164 for 6 with one ball of the 18th left.  In come Peter Trego nedding 19 off 2.  Johann hit 87 with 11 fours and 2 sixes.  Hogan takes the 19th from the River and RvdM takes s single off the first.  A single off the second and two off the third.  A six off the next from RvdM then a single plus another one to take us to 176 needing 184.  Need 8 off 6 balls.  Pete will face de Lange from the Pavilion.

Ball 1 is a dot.  Ball 2 is a single. Ball 3 is an attempted ramp for 1.  Ball 4 is an attempted ramp for nothing.  Ball 5 is a dot ball.  Need a six off the last one and it is a four so they lose by 1 run.  Somerset are out and as exciting as it was it isn't really any surprise.  21 off 18 should be a walk in the park for a T20 side.  We arre not yet a T20 side I am afraid. Glamorgan are virtually certain to go through and we cannot now I don't think.

 

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Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Grockle (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 14:04
Trigger is in for this one - bit of a surprise given news this morning of probably using a second spinner (what RvdM is I'm not sure).

He's in for Timmy G though which seems a little strange.

I'm going to run this as the thread simply because the other thread has already hit 100 posts and that is when the mobile version starts to clog up.

So any comments on this game on here please. Fanx



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Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 14:33
I can log into the commentary site and learn that commentary is now happening, but no sound is coming through. Is this ,y fault or is there a wider problem?

I now find I can get the BBC Wales commentary but not the Somerset one.



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Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
cricketharris (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 14:37
As the second richest man in England I have paid to. Put a spanner in the BBC's works. For goodness sake LoL find something more worthwhile to listen to on a Sunday afternoon.

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 14:42
Why is Lewis being asked to bowl (or to a degree play at all) in these games?
Surely, if he has a serious back problem, he should have had treatment as soon as it was known.
This way he might have been able to come back fro the last one or two CC1 games?

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
AGod (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 14:47
Apparently he needs a major op to bolt his back together. I agree better he gets it fixed straight away. But he'd have no chance of being back this season, either way.

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
AGod (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 14:47
Going to have to chase 185+ at this rate...

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 14:50
Thanks AG.
If he needs a major op, what on earth is he doing playing, and Somerset management allowing/picking him?
Get it fixed, even if he doesn't play again this season - that must be better than risking more damage?

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 14:54
Quote:
AGod
Going to have to chase 185+ at this rate...

210 plus!

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Grockle (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 15:03
We were told that this back injury was not going to get any worse earlier in the season. We are now being told that the painkilling injections aren't lasting as long as they hoped so he can't play long duration games. If the back is saying 'I hurt' it means 'I need fixing'.

Get the bloody tools out and bolt the fella back together rather than asking him to bowl in a lost cause or in longer games if he can't do it.

100 up at 10.4 overs.



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Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
DeanSwift (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 15:10
So very Somerset to let rubbish like Nick Selman smash his highest T20 score in a must-win game

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
RadstockRob (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 15:23
BBC Somerset is now on air!

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 15:27
Don't despair - all is going to form.

Somerset will win this, so get behind the team.

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Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 15:29
a bit previous to say "rubbish like Nick Selman" given that today was only his second T20 innings.



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Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 15:37
Both Gregory and Jamie Overton have chronic back problems at a comparatively young age, and this season is not the first it has happened.

With a thin playing staff the club cannot tolerate 2 players missing months off each season through a repeated injury.

Sadly the only option is for the club to offload them both on health and fitness grounds.

If they temporarily recover it will be the same again next year and so on.

I await the abuse.



A glass half - empty or a glass half - full?
Regardless, both glasses need filling up.

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
AGod (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 15:57
Well done, Max Waller.

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
AGod (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 16:02
Power plays could scarcely be more different here - they made loads and we've started sluggishly.

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Grockle (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 16:07
They aren't going to do it Tom so saying they should is pretty pointless and abusing you for saying it makes as much sense.

It seems to be a career characteristic of most young bowlers. Jamie or Lewis are not the only ones. They aren't the first and they probably won't be the last.

It may do for Jamie in the end as he seems to have the more serious problem but should we put him on the market with this issue there are a number of counties who would pay for the treatment and play him.

Maybe they should bolt their backs before they start. Un-natural sporting action creates injury issues shock horror.

The things kids do to become famous aye?



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Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
AGod (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 16:08
The back injuries are undoubtedly a concern, Tom S, but good bowlers don't grow on trees.

Far from getting rid of bowlers, this club will - if we go down- probably have to consider improving the contracts of certain players to ward off interest from CC1 sides..

The injuries to LG and Jove might limit interest in them this winter, I suppose. Two spinners and Cove very likely to be in demand and will, presumably, be more tempted to go if we're in the wastelands of CC2.

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
brt1919 (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 16:12
I was tempted not to bite by Tom's post, but I failed. Both are far too talented to just dump. I'd agree that you probably wouldn't take a risk on signing them if they were approaching or over 30, but I'd hope Somerset keep hold of them for a few years yet & see whether their maturing/operated on bodies can handle the demands.

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
AGod (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 16:12
Oh dear. 26 for 2. I'm surprised they didn't send Hildreth in here to try to get things going with some quick singles etc.

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
AGod (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 16:13
The Trego for TG switch was presumably designed to lengthen the batting line-up and it looks as though that might prove the right call as we may well need the extra batsman here.

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
AGod (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 16:15
I'd love to know what the hell they said in Myburgh's mid-season appraisal?

With Allenby it was, presumably, a case of 'You haven't performed well enough so we do not envisage retaining you.'

But what excuse did they give to Mybs one wonders? In other words, what was Mybs "supposed," to have done, that he did not do?

They can't say "you haven't done well enough in red ball this season," because not given a chance.

They can't say "not done well enough in white ball," because the man has slapped seven shades of the brown stuff out of it in white ball.

"Matthew doesn't like the cut of your jib, sorry"????

"You looked a bit scratchy in the nets"???????????



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Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 16:17
How about 'You are 37 years old, and you have started a teaching career in the winter, so, no offence, but we need to look to the future'.

Or words to that effect.

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
AGod (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 16:21
We have young prospect batsmen coming out of our ears, as well as another batsman that is quite a bit older than Mybs who is presuambly coming to the end of the line. And Allenby going, of course. So there's no obvious need to 'do a Warwickshire," from an age stand-point.

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Grockle (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 16:26
I'll go with yours Chunky. Though I don't understand why that stops us using a man who is seeing it this well when we have issues in our batting in many departments.

He could do us a last service before HE CHOOSES to change career.

There is a difference between 'releasing' a player and 'letting him go'. Myburgh seems to be going down the Folland route rather than being thrown on the scrapheap by the DoC.

I'd still pick him for every game where we need a bloke with a bat between here and the end of the season.



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Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
AGod (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 16:34
For some reason, he did not seem to be asked about this, at all, on his commentary stints (at least not that I heard).

If JGM had simply decided he'd had enough then there would be no logical reason for the topic to be off-limits at the Beeb and it would, surely, have been an obvious topic to ask the man about?

What I did hear JGM say was that he had "certainly not given up hope of playing red ball cricket for us."

And, given that we are supposed to be fighting for our lives in CC1, there remains no good reason not to pick him to do exactly that......

I had been wondering whether he'd told MM that he was off and so didn't want to play red ball anymore but that's very clearly not the case.

Mybs did mention that he was ill at the beginning of the season but, also, that he is completely fine now.



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Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
AGod (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 16:41
If Peter Trego wants to play red ball cricket this season, then now would be a fine moment to enter, win this match, and then do well in the home seconds game vs Essex (to back up his bowling in the seconds game vs Hants) to force his way back in for Chelmsford...

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Grockle (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 16:41
If there is nothing to talk about it also has no reason to be discussed.

Johann had a hand injury, it wasn't kept a secret. He then played.

Please keep looking for stories where there may be none. Just because something is not discussed does not always suggest some kind of Somerset D Notice on the subject.

Paranoia is sometimes just that. There weren't 'no go areas' in the Myburgh commentary unless it was a very well kept secret and George Dobel wasn't given 'no go areas' in his interview with MM recently.

This may just be a non story I'm afraid AG, except for the reason why he hasn't been used more often in the four dayer.



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Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
AGod (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 16:42
Your final sentence is the important part of said story, though.

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
AGod (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 16:49
Mybs 60, and the rest 56 thus far.

Wagg on course to be not far off Milne style figures, at this rate.

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
RadstockRob (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 16:49
I'm not saying it will happen but maybe J.M. could be available for T20 next season as it's played during school holidays.

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
AGod (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 16:50
Spoke too soon re: Wagg - Mr Myburgh has spoiled his figures.

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
AGod (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 16:52
Good call, RR.

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Grockle (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 16:55
Maybe playing with Johann will give Jim a different perspective on this player because he is our hope at the moment at 142 for 4 with Myburgh on 75 off 43.

40 off 5 overs.

150 up with 4.1 to go



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Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
AGod (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 16:55
Looking like a good win now. Particular credit to Max Waller and the Meerkat for making the chase manageable and then to Mybs for executing said chase.

A mention also for LG who, depsite his injury, took what was surely the key wicket - that of Mr Ingram - another 20-30 balls of him and Glamorgan's total would have been out of reach.

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 17:14
Heartbreak Hotel.

Grizzzly

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
hantssabre (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 17:15
Disappointing to say the least!

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Grockle (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 17:19
Snatching defeat..... Allenby should have come in later. Overton should have come in before both Trigger and Allenby. No excuse for a side needing 21 from 18. A side that loses from there is simply NOT a T20 side.

Thanks and tara Jim. Just weren't up to it tactically I'm afraid and we should not be surprised that we are not in the knock out because we haven't been consistent enough.

Having said that well bowled de Lange in over 20 and well played Johann Myburgh for keeping it alive for as long as he did.



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Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
just in (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 17:21
... but predicable

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 17:26
Yes, JM will certainly leave a big hole in our T20 team next season, if indeed he does exit entirely.

Maybe something can be worked around BR's idea.

Grizzzly

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Grockle (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 17:27
Yep. It is always funny how members of the other side's press corps always give up the ghost before we think of victory. Glamorgan boys all thought they were dead 2 overs out and we all thought they were in the driving seat with a rusty Peter and RvdM at the wrong end.

There should be a rule in a final over. Don't attempt a 'ramp' until it will win you the game!! Both of them tried it and both of them failed. Score a run a ball minimum and look for the boundary. All that was needed.

We still panic under scoreboard pressure. Again NOT the characteristic of a good T20 side.



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Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 17:34
Is this all over? can we go back to playing cricket.

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 17:48
... but if we beat Hampshire on Friday we shall probably qualify for the QF.



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Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
rodders (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 18:02
No excuse for losing that - in T20 terms it was a gimmee - run a ball and wait - rubbish from the last two and we get what we deserve this season which will probably be nothing other than relegation.
In life you get what you deserve generally and we got MM...........?

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
nelliec (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 18:03
There were a few people today saying, unfortunately for us,that Myburgb is moving to Essex next year with his family.On a more positive note Max has apparently been offered a new contract.

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
AGod (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 18:10
Well if they want Bess to play regularly in white ball (and Matthew has said that they do) then if Max is going to be offered a new deal then perhaps VDM will leave?

Or are we going to try and prepare dust bowls for home T20 games and play all three of them?

I wouldn't object but your average paying punter might not take kindly to 135-8 beat 118 all out by 17 runs every week?

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
AGod (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 18:15
This result summed up the whole group for me.

A collection of mediocre and thoroughly inconsistent T20 teams with the group having all the characteristics (predictability wise) of a lottery.

But you have to say this was an amateurish ending from Somerset, it really was. In this match, we had Trego as a 'specialist number 8 batman," - why!? And Allenby managed to muster the strength to bowl one over (for once) but was otherwise a specialist number 6 batsman - also a bit unusual in T20. Just daft to not manage to get VDM onto strike.

I don't imagine Peter was amused with his role as a specialist number 8 batsman.

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
hantssabre (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 18:24
Think we will struggle to qualify even if we beat Hampshire as we are the lowest placed team on 13 games and all the overs beneath can either match or overtake us with their game in hand

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Botham (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 18:53
My thoughts on a pretty enjoyable afternoon spent in the delightful company of my wife on Thatcher's Terrace. Apart from the barbecue starting over an hour later than the advertised time the day started well, with a brief visit to the beer festival in stragglers, on the way. We sat with a platinum member, who told us that Trego had fallen out with Mr Maynard.

Perhaps they made up, but as much as I love Peter, he didn't help as much today. I thought we missed a trick in the last over by not attempting a bye through to the keeper who was a long way back. We had two opportunities to do this and missed both and we lost by one run .

Although Alan boot made a contribution, I felt he got in and took a long time about doing so and then when we'll set he gave his wicket away, but Elgar and Hildreth did exactly the same

I feel we have too many average players on the side and those that we have could do with better leadership.

Maybe the difference today was that Clamorgan enjoyed a fair slice of luck, with two boundaries to fine third man.

Nevertheless, we enjoyed the day and may well return to such salubrious surroundings.

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 19:42
Just how did we manage to lose by one run with Craig Overton still in the pavilion with three overs left.

It was a a crass mistake to send in Peter Trego at that stage. Not surprisingly after his long absence, he looked all at sea, not even getting a bat on four very average half-trackers from Hogan and then de Lange. I would have put a premium bet on Craig lifting at least one of those over the ropes.

On the bad luck side of the equation, Somerset would also have won if Lewis Gregory`s straight drive in the power play had not knocked all three stumps at the bowler`s end out of the ground - and gone for a boundary instead.

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 20:07
Unfortunately the title of the thread was prophetic.
Perhaps Friday's title needs to be something like Hampshire T20 minus 20

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Grockle (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 21:25
Meant to be that Rod. It seems we have a mathematical chance still of qualifying but I hope we don't make it because we don't deserve it.

Botham posted we are a pretty average bunch with poor leadership. Not sure that we are that average but we are poorly balanced and our strategy has been wanting far too many times.

We were more competitive than last year but still too conservative and predictable. So. Let's get back on the drawing board over the winter and deal with the immediate issue now of keeping the county in CC1



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Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
wsm fan (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 21:28
Tues Midx to beat Glos
Thu Sur to beat Glos. Kent to beat Essex.
If those 3 come in we have a chance.
Realistically its a huge long shot but we arent out quite but very close.....

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 22:25
That's the pot calling the kettle black if ever I have witnessed it.

You hope "we don't make it to qualifying because we don't deserve it"? You have come down on others like a ton of bricks for making similar statements to that.

Spew out all the bile and rancour you feel is justified, but don't expect others to take you seriously dude.



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Regardless, both glasses need filling up.

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Grockle (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 22:36
You mean I call it as I see it Tom? You criticise me for 'toeing the party line' and then post this? Ha ha ha.

I can justify this position Tom. You want me to do that? Read my reports on the games. I've also agreed with the assessment of Botham tonight because when it isn't right I can state it and back it up.

I come down 'like a ton of bricks' on people like you when you make statements that you will NOT back up - partly because you generalise problems that mostly are based on nothing. I can discuss my belief and back it up with incidents that actually happened in the real world.

If we qualify we qualify but I personally don't think we deserve it as a T20 unit.

'Bile and rancour' about what?

I post balance. When it's good it's good and when it's bad it's not so good. Is that what you can't handle.

Our consistency is not good enough and we don't deserve to qualify in my personal opinion.

If you look back you'll find this is a consistent stance as I said exactly the same thing last year.

You don't take me seriously? You think that matters to me or many others on this site? You think they take you seriously? Poor boy.

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Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Scrumper (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 22:59
Quote:
Grockle
I hope we don't make it because we don't deserve it.

I can't believe this. T20 is a lottery, we might still get through. Do you hope we go down in the CC?

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Grockle (IP Logged)
13/08/2017 23:44
Nope. I think we have more as a CC1 unit. I believe we can compete at CC1.

I don't believe that we are a good enough T20 unit. I haven't for more then 1 season. I'd rather see Kent in the T20 knock outs because I think they can contribute more to the competition as a unit.

The Southern region is a mess and we may get through. If so... so be it.

Are we one of the best 4 sides in the South? Over the competition not in my opinion and we will not add to the knock out section if our consistency is as it has been.

It's my opinion. It doesn't have to be yours.

In my opinion we have the wrong captain.

We do not have any idea who should bat where. Our bowlers are ill equipped for this type of game on the whole.

We bowl too short too often with seam and we do not play enough slow bowlers while our medium pacers who should be putting in the overs in the middle are hardly used Trego, Allenby. Bowl them if you play them or don't play them.

We don't know where to play Myburgh, We don't know where to play Elgar, We don't know where to play Hildreth, We don't know where to play RvdM. We under use the batting of Cove and Tim when he plays. We should not be using Lewis at all.

Our captain is predictable and inflexible. He has done better this year but not by much.

Shame about Hose but do we have other young batsmen we could have used? Banton?, Davies? R, Bartlett?, Byrom?, Rouse? Not sure and I'm not certain anyone else is.

It's just a mess and we are muddling through. If we muddle through then we do but please don't suggest that this is a meticulously planned campaign because it is anything but.

But it's my view on what I've seen. Some of it has worked and there is something to work on but can we honestly say that it looked like we had done lots of prep for T20 over the winter? I just can't see it though I have hoped to all season.

So if we qualify we do but I don't think we have done much to deserve it. But it is what it is.



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Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
AGod (IP Logged)
14/08/2017 07:49
Which teams in our group do deserve to go through? All have been average, to be honest.

Having said that, it may be better for us to focus entirely on CC1 rather than have some knockout T20 game to also prepare for.

So I too don't really want us to go through, put purely because we have bigger fish to fry and could benefit from a single-minded focus on that goal.

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
14/08/2017 08:21
AGod- Only problem with that is losing can be habit forming.

For years Middlesex thought they could completely ignore T20, because the championship was all that mattered. After a month of getting thrashed in every T20 game, everyone's confidence was gone, and championship form suffered.

You can't, unfortunately, swap two T20 losses for two championship wins.

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
AGod (IP Logged)
14/08/2017 08:34
Yes, but we haven't completely ignored it and, this year, have won nearly as many games as we've lost.

Okay, if we lose to Hants then that would be 3 defeats in a row but that's not the same as a whole month of losing.

I'm not saying that we should not try vs Hants, simply that it may well be better if we don't go through (and the arithmetic makes it unlikely anyway).

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
AGod (IP Logged)
14/08/2017 08:42
As to the calibre of our current T20 outfit?

It's average and some average sides will go through from our group.

But we were spoilt with an exceptional T20 side for a number of years and may be guilty of judging ourselves against that zenith, rather than against realistic expectations.

At one point we had three world class T20 players - Marcus, Jos and Alf all in the same team, backed by other international class players in the likes of Kieswetter, Pollard and Kartik.

More than half of the XI at times was international class or better.

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
14/08/2017 09:13
Here is the Somerset stats for the T20. [stats.espncricinfo.com]

I am sorry to say some big errors are being made by who ever makes these decisions.

Should Peter Trego have been picked to play, on form no. even Max Waller has a better batting average than Peter T.

It's not questionable who should have batted first, with Craig Overton average over 31. (I know I said I don't like averages).

It's errors like this that may have cost us the match.

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Grockle (IP Logged)
14/08/2017 09:24
I agree we haven't completely ignored it but we seemed to think that tinkering with little bits would be enough when a fundamentaĺ rethink was what was needed after the debacle of last year.

Corey Anderson was the right choice of player but we needed one who could bat AND bowl and wasn"t an injury liability. We probably needed a second but chose not to go there.

We said we were going for youth but did not. Did we spend the winter working with Davey, van Meekeren and Leask looking at how to vary and fool a batsman with pace and no pace? Did we look at a role for Ryan in this competition? Did we assess the quality of our up and coming young batsmen in order to offer them opportunity?

There wrte other things we could have done but we paid lip service to them and relied on old out dated and 'dependable' tactics which didn't work in 2016 and weren't dependable enough in 2017.

So we are where we are and where our efforts have put us.



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Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Monkey Butler (IP Logged)
14/08/2017 09:27
Trego took the criticism very badly about his role in the loss on twitter. So much so that he had to clarify that he wasn't announcing his retirement.

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
AGod (IP Logged)
14/08/2017 09:30
The youth thing was strange. Jim said we would pre-season then the whole thing was promptly re-canted in favour of 'strongest XI regardless of age,' Just before the tournament started.

Mike - one thing to possibly say in defence of the Trego selection... sometimes, when a player has owned a particular opponent then the mere sight of that opponent is enough to revivify their season. Has any player owned any oppo more than Peter vs Glam in white ball cricket?

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
14/08/2017 09:39
Too many times people say what a players has done and not what he is doing. (not aimed at you AG).

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Angell Face (IP Logged)
14/08/2017 09:39
I don't understand this business of "it will be better if we don't qualify for the knock out stages". If we qualify it will be because we are good enough to do so. We haven't just played one match and got lucky. I'm no great fan of T20 but I might well go to the Rose Bowl on Friday to lend my support to the team.

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
AGod (IP Logged)
14/08/2017 10:44
The group has been so close that the teams that qualify may well do so down to sheer luck in terms of what happens in the final round of games - for example, whether it rains in some places and not in others. That applies to SCCC and to all of the other teams that might qualify in 4th place.

Mike - yes, indeed, I take the point.

On the Trego selection, the selection was presumably made because Matthew wanted to strengthen the batting (after all Peter doesn't bowl anymore in white ball so it wasn't hard to understand that he wasn't replacing TG for bowling reasons). Given that Matthew wanted to strengthen the batting then the options were, presumably:

Peter Trego
Tom Abell
Eddie Byrom
Tim Rouse
George Bartlett (if he's not away with the Under 19 one day party)
Ryan Davies
Michael Leask

The above would, I believe, be the sum total of the available options? Toms, Banton and Lammonby are away with England U-19.

To be fair to MM, there isn't anybody else on that list who would, unarguably, be a better selection in the T20 XI, IMO. Would anybody else like to advance a case that they consider to be unarguable in favour of any of the other options?

I'm more than happy to criticise Matthew for decisions that are obviously wrong (such as ignoring Myburgh constantly for red ball as almost all others flounder) but, sometimes, the club's resources are limited and there isn't an obvious selection for the "eleventh place."

Now, we could argue about the batting order for yesterday until the cows come home.......

(If you're going to play Peter at all then why select him in a role (finisher) to which he is largely unaccustomed - at least in recent years?) After all, Peter has usually batted top three for SCCC in most white ball cricket in recent times. Clearly batting him ahead of Mybs at three would have been stupid, but if he was going to play at all then maybe he should have gone in at four? Or we should have done the sensible thing and not put LG through the ringer with his back, and just sent Peter out to open.



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Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
14/08/2017 11:43
No criticism of AGod is intended, but the cliché "till the cows come home" never seems very apt to me, given that most of the cows I know come home at least twice a day to be milked. A better phrase, allowing for rather longer discussion, would be "till Somerset win the Championship".



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Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Grockle (IP Logged)
14/08/2017 11:53
We should all support the guys at Hampshire. They don't have the luxury of alternatives. They have to try and get as close to qualification as they can. In the mathematical unlikelyhood that we go further then we support that as well.

I am disappointed that we didn't do this better. We can and should have. We are a decent one day unit. Work on the T20 aspect might have helped there as well. Wins are wins and all are good

I'm interested in the manner of winning and the commitment to doing it well. After last year I expected better and personally didn't get what I hoped for. Just me. I'll be there hoping for the win next time but we can do better than this and should have been more prepared to do so.



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Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
AGod (IP Logged)
14/08/2017 12:22
Quite a bit of Matthew's previous success in the game came in T20, with tournament wins in both the West Indies and South Africa, if I recall rightly.

So he probably knows the basics of how to produce a winning T20 side but, at the moment, we just don't seem to have the resources.

I thought the original plan, as described by Jim ("We'll use the T20 to do what we did in the 50 over two or three years ago and introduce a number of young players,") made a lot of sense because it seemed clear to me (based on the two preceding years) that we don't possess enough established players that are particularly strong in this format..... so I didn't think, for one minute, that we'd be strong enough to challenge to win it *this* season, therefore it would make sense to try and steal a march for future campaigns by expediting the T20 development of some of the younger players.

I assume this plan was shelved, in part, because the first half of the season was so rough that club higher-ups worried that the fans may not wear this as a strategy.

But I think the original plan was the right one and the revised one (We'll just pick the best eleven players for each match) on balance, the wrong one.



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Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
14/08/2017 17:40
“Meant to be that Rod. It seems we have a mathematical chance still of qualifying but I won't be sorry if we don't make it because we don't deserve it.

“I'll be there hoping for the win next time but we can do better than this and should have been more prepared to do so.

“I post balance. When it's good it's good and when it's bad it's not so good. Is that what you can't handle.

”Our consistency is not good enough and we don't deserve to qualify in my personal opinion.”


Who would have thought that the above 4 statements were written in the last 24 hours by the same person – the inimitable Grockle?

Is that what you call balance, Grockle? It’s far from it.

I can tolerate people who come on here and either say we are the greatest thing since sliced bread, or we are lacking in many things and are poor. Those are opinions with which I may or may not agree, but I don’t doubt their claim to be a supporter whether they pay a membership fee each year or not, or whether they watch every ball in a season or just make an occasional pilgrimage to the County Ground.

But, if anyone comes on here and says, “I hope we don’t win” they are NOT a Supporter.

Anyone may think their side won’t win a game and say so, but to hope that they lose is a different thing altogether.

Repeat – with that attitude you have failed to prove that you are a true supporter. I suggest you transfer your allegiance elsewhere.



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Regardless, both glasses need filling up.



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Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
14/08/2017 17:41
Furthermore,



A glass half - empty or a glass half - full?
Regardless, both glasses need filling up.

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
AGod (IP Logged)
14/08/2017 19:02
The bottom line is this:

We have far more important fish to fry than the T20.

With the way cricket is going and the ECB trying to make it city-based and all that nonsense then, if we get relegated this season, we face a genuine threat of being marginalised forever more.

If we get through in the T20 then those players that play both formats will have to waste some of their time preparing for a knockout T20 match - time that could be better spent concentrating entirely on red ball cricket to try and pull this club out of the relegation mire.

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Farmer White (IP Logged)
14/08/2017 21:46
As I walked out of the ground it seemed in this match that Somerset had dug a hole for themselves, helped considerably by the Glamorgan openers, dug themselves out of it through sheer hard work, gained a secure footing at the top and then fallen straight back in again for no apparent reason. Usually when I leave a one-day game at Taunton the crowd is either bubbling after a victory or contemplative after a defeat. Bemused would be a better description after this defeat. It had been as if a runner coming from the back in a race found themselves breathing freely and moving smoothly ahead of the opposition on the last lap suddenly found their legs turning inexplicably to sponge as the line approached.

Before the start the styles of the two teams had been very different. Somerset had played a slow measured passing game. Glamorgan a quicker, player on player tackling game. Football now the usual precursor to a game of cricket. The goals seemed to be breached in more or less equal numbers whichever game you watched. Meanwhile the mobile nets stood forlornly by on the square, betwixt the two football matches, like pieces of equipment hurriedly abandoned by a retreating army. Then the football matches ended more or less simultaneously and the large white balls were replaced by small white ones being hit high in the air.

All the while the music blasted the air unabated. At least I assume it was music for I recognised not one bar of it. I concluded I must come from a different demographic than the target audience or at least from the one that chooses the music. Even so there was more than a smattering of heads as grey as mine spread about the stand I was in and the one next to it. I sat in the temporary stand near the Colin Atkinson Pavilion from where I could see two and a half of the church towers which mark this ground. St James, St George’s, Wilton and St Mary’s, only the pinnacles atop the tower of the last were visible for the tower beneath had been obliterated by the new press box. I could see the St James’ Street entrance through which came a stream of sunny faced people flowing at a Sunday afternoon amble only momentarily halted by that ubiquitous image of our age, bag checks.

Somerset won the toss and elected to bowl as much because they had been put in to bat yesterday and then lost, as far as I could tell from the patchy PA in the Temporary Stand, rather than any plan related to this match. Glamorgan soon made light work of that decision once they had negotiated a typically miserly opening over from Max Waller. Waller, perhaps in his last season for Somerset or perhaps not, with his trademark quick return to his mark and run up operating together at the speed of a weaver’s shuttle. No wonder the batsman does not have time to score many runs. Five off this first powerplay over.

Van Meekeren bowled a miserly over too with the only boundary coming off the edge. From my vantage point he looked quick and eager and may yet have a part to play in stiffening Somerset’s beleaguered pace attack when the Championship re starts. The biting edge cannot all be left to Craig Overton and Tim Groenewald and van Meekeren does appear to have bite.

Glamorgan though edged ahead of Somerset reaching 85 for 0 at the end of the seventh over. There were worried comments about chasing somewhere beyond 200 on the same wicket on which Somerset had failed to make 150 the day before. Perhaps the Glamorgan support sensed this too for “Glammy, Glammy, Glammy, Glammy, Glamorgan,” sprang up from the two ends of the Somerset Stand. “Glamorgan are always very noisy,” said the woman a couple of seats along from me to her friend who had apparently queried such a thing at a cricket match. “Somerset La La La, Somerset La La La,” responded the Somerset contingent in the same stand although with rather less intensity perhaps reflecting the teams’ relative positions in the match.

It had all looked rather easy for the Glamorgan opening batsmen but these days there is always an Overton about the place when you need one. He bowled the first three balls of the ninth over without conceding a run; the Glamorgan batsmen trying not one traditional stroke against any of them. Waller had bowled the previous over for only 7 and the pressure now told. Donald tried to clear the ropes and Elgar, fielding at the Stragglers end of the Somerset Stand moved along the front of it to take the catch. As he positions himself for those high catches doubt never enters your head. Smooth as silk the ball falls into his hands. 87 for 1. The over had gone for 2 runs.

Now Somerset started to peg Glamorgan back a little. Nothing spectacular although Waller again rushed Glamorgan for 5 in one over, the next four overs going for 8, 7, 5, 6, Allenby, Gregory and van de Merwe helping Waller out. 113 for 1 off 13 hardly riches for Somerset but it did at least mean Glamorgan might finish without a 2 at the front of their score.

It was a crowd of two halves or to be precise a crowd of a quarter and three quarters. The two ends of the Somerset Stand periodically trading, ‘Somerset La La La’ and ‘Glammy, Glammy, Glammy, Glamorgan.’ The two now almost on equal terms although the Glamorgan tendency the more persevering. The rest of the ground applauding interspersed with chatter and cheers. The Family Stand kept its end up with the furry heads waving in the breeze and the inflatable batons beating their applause.

As the innings sped towards its close the two sides locked horns and fought each other topsy turvy to neither’s eventual advantage. Glamorgan took 13 off an over from Gregory and another 13 off an over from Overton but lost Ingram and Rudolph in the attempt. 17 from an over from van de Merwe was replied to with another 5 run over from Waller and something special for the last over from van Meekeren.

It went for only 4 runs and included the demise of Meschede. He drove van Meekeren hard just to the off, van Meekeren moved as if to take the catch but twisted his body and steered the ball onto the stumps before Meschede had got into his stride. The crowd erupted, furry heads and batons waving, ‘Somerset La La La’ rampant, the rest of the ground applauding and van Meekeren dancing a jig to the beat of the music from the PA. This I suppose is what T20 should be about. Hard fought cricket under pressure and a huge crowd each enjoying themselves in their own way and in their own place mostly without destroying the enjoyment of others or so it seemed from where I sat. But do make sure you get a ticket for the right part of the ground. There was one incident in the Somerset Stand which drew a small group of stewards although the reason for it was not discernable from the distance I was from it.

When it was all done and dusted Glamorgan had posted 183 for 6. A ‘challenge’ as the modern parlance for ‘difficult’ goes. But not impossible. The weather though had gradually closed in through the Glamorgan innings. High white cloud had come lower revealing its true nature as autumnal grey with a chill breeze to match, the flags on the Caddyshack blowing horizontally away from the ground.

That wind had once fooled Waller who had set off full pelt 35 yards towards those flags in pursuit of a long distance caught and bowled. The wind carried the ball ahead of him and he always looked a yard short of where he needed to be, failing to take the catch by a yard as he seemed to impede Gregory coming in. “Glammy, Glammy, Glammy, Glammy, Glamorgan,” responded one end of the Somerset Stand. Spelman the batsman, in his fifties at the time, fell to Waller three overs later for 66. The smoothest quietest stumping you are very likely to see. Waller promptly ran flat out backwards in celebration, arms pumping in overdrive, to the spot where he had missed the catch. “Somerset La La La. Somerset La La La,” sang the Somerset contingent in the Somerset Stand. Davies is so unassuming behind the stumps I almost wonder if he has a guilt complex about those clinical assassin-like stumpings.

Just as clinically Davies hit his first ball straight to backward point and Somerset were 1 for 1. Gregory momentarily circumspect then started to attack in his adopted T20 mode. A four fine of mid-off and another lofted straighter to the group standing between Gimblett’s Hill and the Somerset Pavilion. Then from the other end a six to the gap between the Trescothick and the Botham. If you are going to hit a six, where more appropriate than between those two Somerset leviathans. Next he removed two stumps at the bowler’s end with a rocket powered drive before failing to clear the deep square leg boundary. He had hit with such power it was difficult to believe he had scored but 18 and Somerset had reached only 26 for 2 in the fourth over and a more than passably tuneful “Bread of Heaven” flowed forth from where the old Stragglers Bar once held sway. Sacrilege.

This Somerset T20 side keeps up the batting attack whatever the casualties, Matthew Maynard’s “risky” approach presumably. It is certainly exhilarating if nerve jangling. Myburg was on message. He played the innings of the match starting with as classic a late cut to the red covers store next to the Ondatjee as you could hope to see in any form of cricket. Soon he drove a six into the front of the Somerset Stand just along from the Bread of Heaveners as if by way of riposte. It resulted in chanting of “Barmy Army!” from whom I know not nor why.

Elgar and Myburg then started to pull Somerset into the match with a six apiece and a range of well struck fours and nicely placed singles. Elgar’s six bouncing off the front of the Temporary Stand just below me and setting the corporate spectators at the front of the stand aflutter as it approached and agog as it hit the stand for they seemed to have come to watch the cricket but had not perhaps expected to get quite that close. The rest of us applauded and the Family Stand erupted.

Elgar rotated the strike as Myburg hit out, along the way cutting Carey perfectly behind square to the gap between the Somerset and Trescothick Stands triggering another chorus of ‘Somerset La La La’. The Duckworth Lewis gap that had opened up at 26 for 2 narrowed and then edged marginally in Somerset’s favour. Less than 100 needed and hope of another Somerset revival grew. Then Elgar completely misread one from Hogan and looped it horribly to mid-off. Hildreth came and went when he was tucked up a bit trying to uppercut and directed it straight at short third man. 102-4 in the 12th over and Somerset’s newly hard-won margin neutralised. ‘Glammy, Glammy…” rang out again and the knots in Somerset stomachs tightened.

Now came what would be, one way or the other, the determining partnership of the match. Allenby and Myburg neither apparently, if not officially, destined to play for Somerset next year. Allenby rotated the strike from his first ball. Myburg seemed to step up a gear in response. He hit 6 fours and a six to Allenby’s 2 fours but Allenby gave Myburg the strike so well they added 62 in exactly 6 overs. Myburg pulled his six off Ingram through mid-wicket to the boundary boards of the Somerset Stand and followed with a finely swept four through two flailing fielders to the Somerset Pavilion. Next he turned one fine to the Botham Stand to a huge chorus of ‘Somerset La La La’ and cheers and applause from every quarter of the ground for this was stirring stuff as Somerset put the wickets behind them and closed in on their target.

Then for good measure Myburg drove one hard to the old Stragglers area which provoked the PA into joining in with a bar of “Sweet Caroline” finished off by the Somerset chorus in the Somerset Stand with tunefulness if not volume to match the earlier rendition of “Bread of Heaven”. Myburg was running the Glamorgan bowlers ragged, Allenby rotating the strike all the time as Myburg straight drove beautifully to the Botham Stand between two despairing boundary fielders. “Hey Jude” struck up the PA. Myburg responded by sweeping behind square to the temporary Stand to bring the required rate below 8. Somerset’s earlier sad song was indeed being made better.

Everyone was beginning to believe now. “Somerset La La La” was almost continuous, the chatter and the buzz in the rest of the ground cacophonous. Every single applauded, every four cheered. The sun had driven the clouds that had shrouded the Glamorgan innings away and Somerset were charging to victory in glorious sunshine, the flags now hanging limp. The atmosphere was so reminiscent of those glorious John Player League afternoons in the Seventies I almost forgot we were watching T20 forty years on.

Then Allenby charged once too often, badly misjudged the quick single to give Myburg the strike and was run out two yards short. As he walked off he half gave what to me looked like a farewell wave with his hand but may just have been acknowledgement of the applause, crossed the rope and threw his bat down. He and Myburg had got Somerset so close. Somerset needed 22 from 15 balls. Two balls later it was 22 from 13 as Myburg tried to hoist a de Lange yorker into the Ondatjee Stand and was bowled.

Trego joined van de Merwe. 20 were needed off the last two overs. A six, among some singles and a 2, from van de Merwe left 8 off the last over. It was a truly painful to watch. Trego, who once would have won for Somerset here at a canter, seemed to have no touch at all as he missed a drive. A single followed before Van de Merwe’s scoop netted a leg bye rather than the match winning six, Trego missed one altogether and succeeded only in pushing the next back along the ground to the bowler, de Lange. The man next to me said as Trego shaped up to take the final ball, “We need a six.” 8 off 6 had become 6 off one. Of such things are nightmares made for they are not supposed to be possible in this day and age. Trego tried to drive it into Gimblett’s Hill but, almost inevitably it now seemed, it bounced at least once before it crossed the rope.

No “Somerset La La La” now. No “Glammy, Glammy, Glammy” either, just prolonged applause from the Glamorgan supporters. Perhaps they too were stunned by such an improbable turnaround. Somerset supporters were left with nothing to do but shake their heads in disbelief. This match will long be talked of in Glamorgan circles and perhaps, for different reasons in Somerset ones too.

I am not one much for changing the batting order, and if I am honest probably would not have done in this case, for my impression is that it rarely works. Although as I walked along St James’ Street after the match I did ask myself, “Where was Overton when we needed him?”



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Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Grockle (IP Logged)
14/08/2017 21:51
What AG said sums up my position as well I think Tom

You are right about the two first sentences your obsessive attempt to criticise me has prompted you to quote. They do contradict and while getting this off my system I think I've clarified what I mean.

I've altered your quote to show what I ought to have posted.

I don't mind if we do not qualify for the reasons I have posted in the last couple of days.

However the guys who play for the team don't have my options and they are still in this competition however slim their chances of progression are. They individually will go out to do their best and I appreciate and support that because they are my team.

This year some of them have pulled us out of the muddle and won games for us with single performances, Hildreth, Gregory, Waller, Myburgh, RvdM. Others have not had the opportunity and still want to have a go.

So I'll be hoping they win for their sake and supporting the next game. But I won't cry if they lose and demand wholesale sackings and crucifixions along with the other 'true' measures demanded by supporters like you.

I'll suggest how things can be done differently and debate the best way of going about it with people who want to see progress, That won't be you of course.

So thanks for pointing out my contradiction you are quite right I did not post what I really meant in that first bold quote.

I'm not sure what the third and fourth are supposed to show. The third shows how I am different to you and the fourth? Isn't that just a personal opinion that I've backed up over the last month?

The rest? Blah blah blah. I'll take no preaching from your pulpit about being a supporter. You are on here because you like being a disruptive influence for the reaction it creates. You look for my posts and things to complain about - that's about it. You turn up for the games it seems. What kind of supporter you are seen as is for others to comment not me. I'll just question some of the things you say if I feel the need

I don't think I'm the one who questions your support, I can easily leave that to others who pretty much have got you worked out. You've started one decent thread this year and I supported that but few posted on it because few see any point in discussing things with you.

I'll post what I think, I'll thank people who pick up contradictions in stuff and try and explain it better as here. But I think your obsession with me really needs to stop Tom. We don't agree on much and you don't really have the character to involve yourself in debate on a civil level for very long.

But thanks for pointing out the error. Hope it is explained now.



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Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
AGod (IP Logged)
14/08/2017 22:09
"Davies is so unassuming behind the stumps I almost wonder if he has a guilt complex about those clinical assassin-like stumpings."

This was, supposedly, and ludicrously, what got him binned by England - "not aggressive and vocal enough," yadda, yadda, yadda.

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
AGod (IP Logged)
14/08/2017 22:18
As for my position on the Hants T20 game - I'll shed no tears whatever the result but I DO hope for a number of good individual performances ESPECIALLY from those that play red ball or who are likely to do so between now and the end of the season - as I want our tails up for Chelmsford (vs a side who will surely have their tails up)

One of those players who I think is about to play red ball is Paul Van Meekeren. I don't really know why it took us so long to introduce him to the T20 side (perhaps more of that questionable planning that Grockle referred to?) given that we signed him off the back of excellent T20I performances for Holland - but we've introduced him now and he seems to me to have done well.

Unlike Josh Davey, he was also name-checked in Matthew's recent interview about the new overseas player (the Zaman replacement) as being a player whose development we would not want to arrest by bringing in an overseas paceman so I think that he has begun to impress Matthew and I expect him to be selected at Chelmsford. So I'd love to see him put on another strong performance at the Rose Bowl.

Equally, plenty of runs from Hildreth, S Davies and runs and wickets, too, from Mr Overton and, should he play, TG.

Finally, I'd like a spectacular hundred from Johann Myburgh to further try and force MM's hand re: the team selection at Chelmsford.

Of course, I realise that if we get all the above, we shall surely win the match but I'd be perfectly happy to win the match but then not qualify due to results elsewhere/damage already inflicted.

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
14/08/2017 22:59
Of course, it's my pleasure Grockle.

If other contributors on here wish to "question my support for the club", then let them come on here and do so. They (whoever they are) have not been very vocal to date.

I shall most certainly lose no sleep over it.

I have no obsession over you, but perhaps you should realise that if you dish out abuse to others, then you should be big enough to expect some in return.

And that's not exactly rocket science is it?



A glass half - empty or a glass half - full?
Regardless, both glasses need filling up.

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Grockle (IP Logged)
15/08/2017 10:03
Oh I think you are a little word blind if you haven't seen the questions of what you call 'support' on this forum..

If I 'dish out abuse' then please report it. I'll certainly deal with anything I see as 'abuse' from you in the same way. I'm 'big enough' to deal with it and my concern for your sleeping habits sir are pretty minimal

Are we done now? I'll take no reply as 'yes" and that will be excellent. More important things to do. Enjoy your day.

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
15/08/2017 13:03
Grockle-

Where's your pitchfork?

Have you buried Thomas under the patio?

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
15/08/2017 13:19
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Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Grockle (IP Logged)
15/08/2017 13:41
No idea Chunky. I'll have a look (Thanks Mike).

Tom? Nah as I said, other far more important things to do.



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Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Grockle (IP Logged)
15/08/2017 14:17
Seems it's back.



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Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
15/08/2017 16:05
Blue sky and 22°C in Weston with a good breeze.

Devonshire Road (near the hospital) @ 5.15pm

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
15/08/2017 16:06
Grockle: Keep that fork handy for preparing the pitch in readiness for our last two home CC matches. Leach and Bess and RdvM will appreciate any help you can give.



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Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Grockle (IP Logged)
15/08/2017 16:45
Pitch preparation

I think this is the expert way of getting it sorted LoL



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Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
15/08/2017 16:48
Now that is what AG might call a "bunsen" !

Grizzzly

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
15/08/2017 17:39
"Oh I think you are a little word blind if you haven't seen the questions of what you call 'support' on this forum."

Simply tell the Johnnies to send me a PM over any concerns they may have, and keep it off this forum.

They will receive a very courteous reply in return.

I have had a wonderful day thanks.



A glass half - empty or a glass half - full?
Regardless, both glasses need filling up.

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Grockle (IP Logged)
15/08/2017 18:42
They are not my 'Johnnies' Thomas.

I'll leave this here and they can read it.

After this though I do think we are done. So if you feel you need to carry on please take your own advice and take it off the main threads onto the PM system.

Can you also follow your own advice when discussing with these people you seem to be unaware of.

Follow your references to 'courtesy' and the PM system when you wish to reply.... saves all the threats of legal action and all that don't you know

Cheers.



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Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
nelliec (IP Logged)
15/08/2017 20:25
As Gloucester got hammered by Middlesex tonight they are just about out of the equation due to their run rate.there are now 6 teams on 12 points.Unless Surrey and Essex win both their games,one qualifier on 14 points will go through with the best run rate.so whether we deserve to still be in with a shout,along with the other teams on 12 points,stranger things have happened .

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
15/08/2017 21:45
Somerset made 178/6 and won by 4 runs at James Hildreth's benefit gig.

It was a lovely evening for the 500 or so fans of all ages with a really friendly atmosphere, reminiscent of the festivals long gone.

Somerset's batting got off to a poor start and was saved by partnerships involving Trego/Maynard/Abell. Really Tom who batted later down the order was a class act being eventually run out.

Weston-super-Mare's batting was much better with some fruity overs giving the children playing football something to think about. In the end Weston ran out of steam against some tight bowling.

But all credit to Somerset for putting out such a strong team and their wonderful camaraderie. Maynard looked useful with the bat until a silly C&B and great to see Ryan Davis thriving there.

The game was a good advert for cricket and I give my man of the match to Paul van Meekeren, for letting a boy field wearing his shirt number towards the end of the game.

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Bobstan (IP Logged)
15/08/2017 21:51
That sounds like a really good evening. Thanks for your report, SLaLaLa.

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
AGod (IP Logged)
15/08/2017 22:08
That was the first time that Middx have *ever* beaten Gloucs in T20 cricket - at the TWELFH time of asking..........



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Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Scrumper (IP Logged)
15/08/2017 22:52
That table is well tight.

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Tractor (IP Logged)
15/08/2017 23:43
SLLL spot on. Great stuff, and a delight to watch - twenty over cricket far removed from the 'serious' stuff.; a beer / charity match that everyone went home from, delighted to have seen, and no need for any afters - exactly what I thought T20 was supposed to be. That lad (4 yo?) will hopefully enjoy his fielding experience and full credit to PvM (or Paul Van Meekeren), something he would never have got from the 'serious' stuff (isn't that what T20 is supposed to attract?).
Maynard's fielding was a bit rusty since Old Trafford (the last time we saw him in the field), but Trego's keeping has come on leaps & bounds - a great run-out / stumping in the last over; quality.
Top marks to Maynard, Treegs, and all the Somerset players (great to see such a strong side), and Willow, Robbie T and Ryan D just to pick out those from a great opposition. (Sincere apologies for anyone missed).

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Grockle (IP Logged)
15/08/2017 23:55
Had a good night then Tractor.... good to know. You down for the U19 tomorrow?

Good bit of 'Somerset' as well Scrumper. Well right it's well tight.

May get a bit looser later in the week



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Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Scrumper (IP Logged)
16/08/2017 00:09
Go fish (Sm156)

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Scrumper (IP Logged)
17/08/2017 21:42
I think our goose is cooked with Surrey winning tonight, needed Glos bad run rate above us in the table.

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
17/08/2017 22:08
Astonishingly, only four points separate top from bottom in the T20 table. I imagine the only way Somerset could not qualify would be with a win with an astonishingly superior run rate.



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Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
nelliec (IP Logged)
17/08/2017 22:09
Surrey or Kent qualify.Middlesex,Essex,sussex
Or Somerset will qualify as well.ver tight run rate between all 4

 
Re: Glamorgan plus one T20
nelliec (IP Logged)
17/08/2017 22:14
So Glamorgan beat Middlesex
Somerset beat Hampshire
Sussex and Essex tie or get rained off
Simple!!!

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