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So here's a bit of Clarity


By Grockle et al
September 5 2017

So at the start of the important Warwickshire CC1 match at Edgbaston we get some idea from the club about those who will be trading elsewhere next year.  Not too many surprises in this first Press Statement though I personally find the Ryan announcement a bittersweet one.  In for development and then on his way because the doors have closed a little within the club.  So.... views and other expectations?

After a lot of speculation over the last few weeks we have a little more clarity from official sources.  It isn't all that much movement forward but it does make certain posiitions solidly clear.  Today the following Press Realse was received at Bicknoller Towers by electronic carrier pigeon;

"Somerset County Cricket Club have today confirmed that Jim Allenby will be leaving the Club at the end of the season.  Jim joined Somerset ahead of the 2015 season and was named One-Day Captain in 2016.

Somerset CEO Lee Cooper said: “During his time with the Club Jim has proved himself to be a valuable cricketer and he has captained the team admirably. On behalf of everyone associated with the Club I would like to thank Jim for his efforts and wish him well for the future.”

The club have also announced that we will not be renewing the contract of Michael Leask whilst Ryan Davies has also been released due to personal reasons."

An interview with Jim gave away the main part of the release a while ago and a Cricinfo article suggested at least that Mike was probably not staying.  The comment about the reason for Ryan's departure asks questions but it is probably a good move for him if he wants to promote his career.  With Steve Davies arriving and the progression of Tom Banton through the county and country ranks, Ryaon's ability to move on in Somersethad decreased.  If his career continues in cricket I am sure we wish him well.

There are other questions that have been confirmed.  Dom Bess, Tim Rouse and Ollie Sale have all been confirmed as Somerset ones to watch.  The Overton's have extended and Lewis is here.  Marcus is going to be here in 2018.

Interestingly, the man of the speculator's dreams at the moment Johann Myburgh is not in anything coming from the centre.  The information seems to suggest that at the age of 37 Mybs is looking to change his career to a teaching one in a local private school but there is some uncertainty about whether that is a complete break or there is the chance that his White ball heroics this season may suggest there is still come from the batsman

Maybe there is more to come..... well it's been a season for it

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So here's a bit of Clarity
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05/09/2017 13:27
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Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
05/09/2017 17:17
Clarity? Not much.

When our future in the CC for 2018 is set in stone, I suspect that there may well be other announcements forthcoming from the club.

Are there other players whose contracts are up this year and who have neither been offered new ones nor been sent on their way?

We need a fresh start and IMO still have too much baggage on the books.

(Sm48)

 
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chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
05/09/2017 17:29
Surprised there is no news one way or the other on Josh Davey.

No new deal yet, but release not announced (yet) either.

Maybe keep the poor bloke hanging in mid air a little while longer. If one or two bowlers get injured he might still be needed, so I suppose he'll have to wait a few more weeks before learning his fate.

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
Grockle (IP Logged)
05/09/2017 18:16
And he may be playing a waiting game himself Chunky.

He has a semi decent white ball rep as a minor international and could be one waiting for a definitive position regarding Somerset in the CC.


You keep mentioning this baggage Tom.

But as those you defined earlier - Marcus, the Overton's Lewis(?) seems to have been confirmed I'm not sure who you are on about.

Are some of the caretaking staff not doing their job properly? Stewards?

Or are they going to be the playing staff because you've sacked everyone else?

When has this 'all out sack the bloody lot of 'em' policy

1) been used before or 2) worked

I can't even start to bother to ask about where the replacements are going to come from or how that is going to solve absolutely anything. No point really. You have no solutions just irrational and unrealistic demands that take us nowhere.



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Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
AGod (IP Logged)
05/09/2017 18:29
I have no idea what resources, if any, will be available for recruitment over the winter but it's pretty obvious that reinforcements are required and all the more so should we somehow save ourselves.

Most obviously the top three must be addressed...and part of that will involve making a decision on Tom Abell - is he a top three player or a number five? If he's going to stay at five then we shall have only the extremely old and the extremely inexperienced as candidates to bat in the top three as things stand (Tresco, Eddie, Rouse, Bartlett).

It will probably also be obvious that more depth is needed in the pace bowling department as all of LG, JO and youngsters Sale and Green are very injury prone. Probably, bringing in an extra experienced seamer would be a good move.

No doubt we'll try to sign an overseas top three batsman but I feel that two new recruits will be needed there if Abell is going to stay at five.

So I make that three new recruits needed for red ball cricket.

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
05/09/2017 19:13
Johann Myburgh as Cricket Professional at Farmington College in Suffolk, he will also be coaching Rugby and Golf.

So will not leave much time for playing for Somerset, unless the College is prepared to give him the summer of 2018 off.

 
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Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
05/09/2017 19:17
Typical remark . All bluster and slagging and nothing to offer . And thinks he's " the man" hahahaha

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
Grockle (IP Logged)
05/09/2017 20:06
Suffolk isn't just up the road. Is this the job he has been doing part-time this year Roger?

If so they did give him time off but I think the decision was to make it long term and permanent (though I don't know where the authority for that came from now).

I don't think Johann will be about for us next year personally but until someone confirms it you can never be sure I suppose and he is about now which seems a little strange if he is planning to go East.



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Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
deanjones (IP Logged)
05/09/2017 20:34
interesting to see the 3 players released are 3 players maynard signed !! one has to ask is he a good judge of a player here? what I can see he has taken the club backwards I don't believe the team or fans really support him, giving him a extended contract was a big mistake by a committee who were taken in by a run of results at the end of the last season when the spinners ruled at taunton. not able to sign a overseas player bs!! if you want to save the club get him out !! relegation if it happens ( it will ) should be his cue to resign. the local jones boy

 
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Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
05/09/2017 20:46
Omg!!! Yes sir!!

 
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Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
05/09/2017 21:08
Not really sure Grockle, here is the link to the announcement.


See Here

 
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Angell Face (IP Logged)
06/09/2017 08:04
Looks like a full time job to me. He's served us well in his time here.

 
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Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
06/09/2017 08:26
That's dated September 2016, and isn't really clear on any availability to SCCC past, present or future.

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
AGod (IP Logged)
06/09/2017 09:46
Is this the type of college that operates a university type timetable? If so, there'd be a long summer holiday and it would, presumably, be up to Mybs how he opted to spend such holiday. I think the university holidays are a good three months or so, if I remember rightly?

On the other hand, if it's a boarding college where the poor inmates are there all year, then he may get no such break.

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
06/09/2017 09:50
Sport coaching is not an academic subject (says he stating the bloomin' obvious) so I wouldn't think there would be any great problem in Myburgh missing the first couple of weeks of term.

Maybe Maynard will have to pay £100 fine, or whatever it is if you take your kids on holiday during term time.

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
barndoorio (IP Logged)
06/09/2017 10:09
What's the 'doors closing' bit on Ryan Davies? He seemed to be pretty impressive with the gloves last year, and was starting to show real promise with the bat.

Has his 2nd XI form been poor?

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
AGod (IP Logged)
06/09/2017 10:16
I doubt he settled in the area. I don't think he was helped by Mr Maynard's absolutely daft 'guarantee,' to him of a first-team place when first he joined Somerset. This cannot possibly have impressed the rest of the squad (the issuing of such a guarantee). Not RD's fault, of course.

He was signed, in lieu of Michael Bates, on the basis that Bates's batting hadn't been good enough and yet Davies had very little experience and in very limited appearances had managed to average all of six for Kent in Div Two (!). I think this also put his batting under premature pressure (way before it had developed to the point where it could withstand the pressure) and Maynard also batted him far too high in the line-up, which was an exercise in nothing more than wishful thinking, on MM's part (Matthew batted him where he hoped he would be capable of batting, rather than in a position that we he was capable of batting in).

So I feel a bit sorry for the guy as I thought he was a strange signing at the time and then I think he was managed in such a way that put extra pressure on him.

The signing of Steven Davies was, I think, a tacit admission on the part of Mr Maynard that he had got this wrong. I never bought the idea that would RD would still be 'one for the future,' after we had signed SD as SD probably has a good 7-8 years left in him.

I wish RD well in his future.



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Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
barndoorio (IP Logged)
06/09/2017 10:33
Time for Tom to start hitting out I suspect, he's played a valuable knock for sure here, which on paper(monitor) looks like a real step forward from earlier in season.

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
Grockle (IP Logged)
06/09/2017 11:24
Three years in and shock horror 3 players leaving were signed while DoC was here!!.

One after 3 years - did anyone expect much more from Jim whatever his level of performance was going to be?

One as a fringe player and possible T20 specialist. Dom comes through (in the same time as DoC has been here?) may have had an effect plus out T20 performances.

Third player requests to leave - not sure he would have been released? But again Banton and Byrom coming through in the last few years (MM in charge) may also have made that a good move.

I have no problem with people not being happy with the DoC..... but please.... players leave..... some haven't done well... Dean Elgar has left.... in the DoC's 3 years.... and? Others are staying..... Davies?

It is what happens in cricket clubs. Significant leavers? Significant signings? Well that's opinion I suppose



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Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
deanjones (IP Logged)
06/09/2017 11:39
kraigg Brathwaite signing for yorks?! did he not fit the maynard criteria ? someone to bat in the top 3 ! is there a plan here ? one has to ask .

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
AGod (IP Logged)
06/09/2017 11:46
He fits top three. He would be more likely to be in touch - as playing currently - than Mr Zaman would have been.

I'm pretty sure that we've operated with an overseas player for fewer matches this season than any other CC1 outfit and we really haven't shown great recruitment ability in this regard - I'm sure other counties must have suffered disruption, certain guys only available for certain games (as overseas players) etc... I doubt we've been uniquely unfortunate.

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
deanjones (IP Logged)
06/09/2017 12:32
not sure what happened with somerset they always used to sign the best players available . nowadays its very ordinary players that are signed tanvir a retired jayawardene Anderson a crock and Elgar to play 20/20 not a lot of thought with any of them, and gayle x2 he ran off with the money the first season early! but he deserved another go lol! vdm very ordinary player trying to punch above his weight and rogers, certainly he was passed his best, but while he was here we were harder to beat tougher?.doc was responsible for all those signings and that is why the club is struggling . his personality is not bringing in players of quality for some reason I wonder why that is? complete changed needed here

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
deanjones (IP Logged)
06/09/2017 12:37
will also say players coming through are steve snell s doing not maynard byrom ,rouse , bess , i will add dom bess has two brothers who are supposedly better than him josh and zak winter signings maybe?

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
06/09/2017 13:24
Josh and Zak are Dom's cousins, not his brothers. Josh is 29 and Zak 24. There is a third brother Luke who is 26. All 3 play for Devon. Fine cricketers who I'm sure Somerset are aware of but I think if they'd been potential first-class players they'd have been signed up already.

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
Grockle (IP Logged)
06/09/2017 13:56
Gayle made buckets of money for more than him. Did you notice Dean played CC1 as well? Colin Ingram? Even Tom Cooper when they played him in the right form? Ronchi? We all know what VdmM brings and MM wasn't the first to sign him. Rogers as a captain was exactly what was needed and we'd have had him again this year if MM had gone himself.

You don't remember Mendis then or Jayasuriya or Omari Banks or the Turner or the South African guy who hardly played. Other DoC's pick ringers and their name isn't Maynard.

If you don't like him then fine but don't be selective to try and put him in some kind of military industrial complex conspiracy to destroy Somerset after assassinating JFK.

Where have all these young boys come from? Are they here despite the Maynard era? Why are they staying? Or is it ALL Steve Snell despite the rest of the management?

Some are good at somethings. Some are good at others. MM is mediocre in some aspects and needs to listen and change but he is NOT the Anti Christ working with dark forces with the sole aim of destroying the once Mighty SCCC. We've had our days but that's all up to now.



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Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
deanjones (IP Logged)
06/09/2017 14:30
LOL that grockle is a serious dude! I will put him in the like corner for the doc, plenty of space there ! would hate to see your/our beloved somerset end up like Leicestershire they were once very successful in all formats and now .....

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
Dave65 (IP Logged)
06/09/2017 14:56
A small step in the right direction getting rid of some players who are not good enough in the cases of Allenby and Leask, it also shows that there was at least 50% of truth in the cricinfo report, I said at the time that I would have been stunned if cricinfo had published a complete load of rubbish and clearly they didn't, despite the clubs protests. Just Davey and Trego to say thank you and goodbye to now and we have then at least cleared out the deadwood.

In the case of Ryan Davies I am dissappointed to see him go as he was thrown in at the deep end last year and although he did struggle early on towards the end of the season he did begin to show some ability with the bat good innings in the championship at home to Durham and away to Lancs spring to mind along with a good innings in the 50 over Semi at Birmingham. I completley understand why this season he has been replaced in the Championship side and a season learning his game in the longer form would have made sense, however it was disappointing that he only got a couple of games (when S.Davies was injured) in the limited overs team, despite Maynard saying on previous ocassions that he would play in the shorter forms.

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
AGod (IP Logged)
06/09/2017 15:24
Thank you, Craig - another IMMENSE performance from this man.

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
Grockle (IP Logged)
06/09/2017 17:39
Like it or nor Dean.

MM is not our only DoC with an under performing side. If you want to come on with the conspiracy theory, back it up with a bit more than stating a bit of a case and then suggesting anyone with any other opinion they can back up is some kind of looney.

Bring yer best game boy....we've been here a while and have seen more than Matthew Maynard and his quirks.

We don't have to either like OR dislike Mr Maynard here. We are able to see good and bad. Strength and Weaknesses and we've heard far too many conspiracies that have come to nothing to be bothered by another.

Welcome anyway



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Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
deanjones (IP Logged)
06/09/2017 19:08
HEY grockle where did you get that idea that a different opinion than mine, that they could back up I would think of them as some kind of looney?! you are way to serious dude. I am simply posting on here for the first time and you are coming across as something of a bully boy reading other post s you seem to like attacking other members for what reason I wonder? are you the leader of the somerset clique by any chance? as a new member you have shocked me and I will not post anymore. but I will watch with interest this space enjoy the rest of the season ladies and gentleman ps forgot the rest of his signings they have all been quite forgettable really.

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
06/09/2017 22:47
Grockle: I don't understand the reference to Colin Ingram in your list of successful Maynard overseas signings. It was Nosworthy who brought Ingram to the club, and it was Maynard who, as virtually his first act, told him he didn't fit in with his plans.

With Ingram now in demand all over the world, a mention of the name "Matthew Maynard" to anyone outside of Somerset CCC at the moment will be met first with a laugh, and then the question: "What - that bloke who sacked Colin Ingram?"

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
AGod (IP Logged)
07/09/2017 05:37
As per a cricinfo article earlier this year, a 3 year deal was on the table for CI to become a Kolpak here (agreed by DN) but it was vetoed by MM.

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
sfwithers (IP Logged)
07/09/2017 21:03
That doesn't look like the best decision ever, he says, head in hands. Our overseas players this year remind me of the legendary - ie, er, dreadful - Hugh Gore!

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
AGod (IP Logged)
07/09/2017 21:19
Well we only had two. Both were very effective when they played. Neither played anything like often enough.

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
Grockle (IP Logged)
07/09/2017 21:30
My bad Man with.... You are right. I had it in my head that he played the first of MM's and then was not used the next one (bad move by us). But you are right he did (or didn't actually) cross the two.

Not one of his successes true. Should have got him back - hard working player



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Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
09/09/2017 21:00
I believe that a lot of the frustrations some of us have felt with Maynard do in fact derive from that decision to release Ingram. That Ingram wasn't a cricketer who would figure in Maynard's plans was a matter of opinion, and Maynard was entitled to it; the problem was that the plan in question turned out to be bringing Allenby to the club.

Superficially it appeared that we were merely swapping Craig Meschede for Allenby, and though I was a fan of Meschede, I had to admit, even as Allenby's failures went on and on, that nobody would, overall, have expected Meschede to have performed much better. Certainly his form at Glamorgan turned out to be no more than workmanlike.

So why was I getting so annoyed at Allenby's ubiquitous presence in the team? Well, that was because, by chance, Glamorgan turned out to be Ingram's destination also. So, in effect, Maynard had swapped Colin Ingram and Craig Meschede for Jim Allenby. And whichever way you look at it, that was a terrible use of the transfer market. And it had the knock-on effect of two holes in the line-up having to be filled by one player, hence Allenby becoming undroppable.

Instead of being able to hide Allenby a bit, in the hope that he might find some consistency at this higher level, he was instead thrust into the role of the team's engine room, and he had to try and fulfil it game after game, whether he was up to it or not.

It didn't look good, and it didn't reflect well on Maynard either. But it was all down to Maynard, and the latter's determination to impose his plan on the club, even at the cost of discarding a tremendous resource which we already had already here.

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
AGod (IP Logged)
09/09/2017 21:51
He's made many mistakes and probably his gravest one preceded that - namely the release of Dave Houghton.

The guy that was signed instead of Ingram was, effectively, Tom Cooper. Allenby was coming, come hell or high water as he was Maynard's comfort blanket, IMO.

Whilst Cooper had a proven record in the top three Down Under, his game was unsuited to batting first drop in English conditions.

Maynard baulked at signing Ingram because 'he's not a top three batsman,' and instead we found somebody, in Cooper, who was really a number 5 in English conditions and then his fellow Aussie, JA, is really no better than a number 7 but was batting at 5. Both he and Cooper were batting two places too high. Maynard should have realised that going from batting at six in CC2 to batting at five in CC1 would be a huge ask.



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Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
09/09/2017 22:16
I have been a critic of Matthew Maynard in the past, and still am, but I do not feel that you can lay the blame of the club in letting Dave Houghton leave, solely at the door of Maynard.

When Dave Nosworthy left, there were those at the club who would have liked Dave Houghton to have stepped up to the role of D o C. He had a strong background, was well liked and respected by the players in his role as batting coach and would have I believe fitted in well as D o C. However, it was not to be and the club instead was swayed by Maynard.

After a while, Maynard said that he was a batting coach and could assume the mantle alongside that of D o C. This year Chris Rogers has had responsibility as a batting coach, and neither he nor Maynard have seen many benefits from their efforts.

The decision to let Dave Houghton go must have been a club decision, not simply down to Maynard. If the top brass listened to and believed that Maynard could do a better job as batting coach than Dave Houghton, then IMO subsequent events have proved them wrong and as a club we have to live with that decision.

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
Scrumper (IP Logged)
09/09/2017 22:55
Well said.

 
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Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
10/09/2017 00:24
Any chance of listing these many mistakes so I can catch up. Thsnks

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
AGod (IP Logged)
10/09/2017 05:49
Clarence - would club higher-ups have had to sign off on DH being released? Sure.

Was it at all likely that, having just appointed MM, they would insist that he work with a coach with whom he did not want to work? No.

Should club higher ups have refused to let Maynard make this decision? No. Having appointed him they had to back him and let him run things his way. Otherwise how to properly evaluate his performance?

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
10/09/2017 09:12
The answer to your second question is an unqualified - YES. In any organisation or business an employer cannot allow an employee to dictate terms as to which employee works alongside him or her.

The answers to your other questions follow suit.

I am not sure anyway that the scenario you paint is the full picture of what happened.

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
RadstockRob (IP Logged)
10/09/2017 18:35
The reason Maynard decided he didn't need Dave Houghton's services was because he didn't want a person with greater cricketing knowledge than him on the staff.

We all know what an excellent coach Dave Houghton is and I've had that confirmed by an ex player that benefited from Dave Houghton's skills.

Maynard saw Dave Houghton as a threat so he made an excuse to removed it as soon as he could.

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
10/09/2017 19:46
Bigger fool the club for having done so then.

Maynard talks a good line but can't match it up with deeds it seems.



A glass half - empty or a glass half - full?
Regardless, both glasses need filling up.

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
AGod (IP Logged)
10/09/2017 20:38
Very possibly, RR.

And then left himself in the post for two full years before turning to Chris Rogers.

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
Grockle (IP Logged)
10/09/2017 22:01
But only 'possible' of course Rob. See that thing about management misgivings now AG?

Agree with CP on this one. For whatever reason Dave was not kept and that must have been a CLUB sanctioned decision. Did our batting fragility decrease in his time and then increase again with his departure?

How much was the decision influenced by the Machiavelian Maynard? Well everyone has their opinion on that one. Where did he go?



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Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
Scrumper (IP Logged)
10/09/2017 22:43
MM's only ambition was to totally destroy this club.

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
Grockle (IP Logged)
10/09/2017 23:08
He's a complicated man Scrumper with varianle levels og ability. Who knows what his motives are.......

Did he have a job description?
Did he set targets?
Did he hit 'em?
Did he review the progress with the teams?

You'd assume those kinda things went on in a well managed organisation.

Or maybe he throws out such mind game mumbo jumbo that he simply bamboozles everyone and they just let him do what he wants with no regulation, monitoring, appraisal or review.



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Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
AGod (IP Logged)
11/09/2017 05:15
Grockle - I looked at this the other day.

In the lone DH season SCCC were third in terms of total runs scored in CC1. We were second in runs scored the 2010 season. Not sure who the batting coach was then under Brian Rose but that was Hildreth's annus mirabilis and Tresco was still unstoppable back then.

In every year since DH left we've been either 6th or 7th in CC1 in total runs scored. If I remember rightly we wwre also 5th or 6th in 2011 and 2012 (Brian's final two seasons)

Of course total runs scored is only one way of looking at this and its weakness is that it shows relative rather than absolute strength. It's also affected by whether teams bat first or second (unless they win by an innings teams that bat second only ever score more than 1-6 more runs than the oppo)

For me what distinguishes the DH season from 2013 and all three under Maynard was the relative lack of trademark SCCC collapses.

Angell Face always likes to cite the fact that we were first in batting bonus points in 2015 under MM. But they consisted of big scores on flat-tracks at home - I think probably 80% of the points came at home and there were umpteen useless collapses on our travels and even the odd second innings swoon at home. Of course bonus points only apply to first innings...... and if matches were decided on first innings alone then Mr Maynard's 2017 side would be about to be crowned champions!!



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Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
11/09/2017 06:00
The normal thing to do is appoint a DOC, and leave him to get on with it.

Otherwise you are constantly questioning his ability, and authority.

So- You let him get on with it, let him take responsibility for every decision he makes (good or bad) and if you are happy with his performance you keep him, and if you're not, you don't.

So- Maynard way want to release X, Y and Z, and yes, people higher up would gave to agree, but normally you would accept the DOC's recommendations without question. If he thinks X isn't worth a new deal, why would you saddle him for another year or two with someone he doesn't want?

I'm sure all key playing decisions are Maynard's. If not, they should be. Does he fully agree Marcus T is worth another contract? If the answer is 'No' then someone is undermining him. You let the DOC get on with it. If things go right, he gets the praise. If things go wrong, he gets the sack. Once others start getting involved in decisions, more than one person becomes 'responsible' for shortcomings, plus you've given the DOC a ready made excuse- 'That was your decision, not mine'.

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
Grockle (IP Logged)
11/09/2017 06:44
Then if you let MM 'get on with it' then either SCCC are happy with his plan and activity, are too weak to stop him wreaking mayhem across the club or he 'talks excellent BS'

He's been here a while now.... are you suggesting that DoC's answer to no one year on year?.



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Nailsea_Fizz (IP Logged)
11/09/2017 07:09
So is there any factual proof apart from a statistical anomaly in 2011 that DH made any difference.

 
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sandhills (IP Logged)
11/09/2017 07:16
I maybe wrong but not sure DH was here in 2010 11 or 12. Think it was Rose and Hurry! Sorry if I miss-read,?

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
11/09/2017 07:30
Grockle- The point is the moment someone else gets involved in cricketing decisions, if those decisions turn out to be bad decisions you then have a second person who is partly to blame- and if that is the same person who will hire or fire the DOC then he is going to be less likely to fire DOC.

Most people wouldn't like it if they were told they had complete responsibility in one area, and then their boss constantly questioned every decision, and even overruled some of their decisions. You let the DOC do it his way- discuss things by all means, but let him make the final decision. That way, if he is right, it has to be a good thing. And- if he turns out to be wrong, you can say, 'I told you that wasn't a good idea' But the DOC must get his own way- because it is his reputation, and his job on the line if things go badly.

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
AGod (IP Logged)
11/09/2017 07:53
You mis-read, Sandhills.

DH season was 2014. I just didn't lable it as such in my post. I said we finished third in runs scored in the DH season, and that we had been second in the 2010 tie with Notts season.

All other recent seasons, SCCC have been in the bottom third in total runs scored.

Correction: I mistakenly said that MM's first season was 2014, when it was 2015.



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Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
AGod (IP Logged)
11/09/2017 07:58
Chunky - those are my thoughts entirely.

It would be daft to appoint MM and then tell him that he cannot choose his own batting coach (although, having said that, I do think that I would have expressed strong concerns to him about any proposal to do the job himself viz spreading himself too thinly).

You appoint your person. You let him run things his way. You give him some time to do so. And then you reach a verdict on his overall performance and respond accordingly.

If you do anything other than the above then you cannot objectively assess your DoC's performance - you cannot isolate the responsibility for the decisions that pan out and those that don't.

In my opinion, Maynard was wrong to have DH removed. But the higher-ups, having elected to appoint Matthew, were right to let MM run the cricket side of the show.



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Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
AGod (IP Logged)
11/09/2017 08:11
Overall, the obvious difference between the DH season in 2014 and the one that preceded it (DN season one) and the three that have followed it under MM, is the absence of absolutely lame batting performances away from Taunton.

Here are the away scores made under Houghton in 2014:

Hove: 372 (on a very difficult track) - Somerset won by an innings.

Durham: 185 and 246-4 - Match drawn. On almost every other occasion that I remember (apart from 2010) SCCC have folded like a cheap suit at CLS with the bat. Both Onions and Rushworth played this one, so this wasn't about an abnormally below strength attack.

Edgbaston: 411 in rain-ruined draw

Old Trafford: 420 in rain-ruined draw but Lancs followed-on

Trent Bridge: the one game that went wrong - the controversial toss game. I was there. From memory so were Grockle and Bagpuss. 168 and 402 - lost by seven wickets. But at least made a hell of a fight of it in the second knock.

Uxbridge: 264 and 203-4 - easily batted out a draw

Wantage Road: (the horrible CK game) : 375 and 249-8 - Somerset won the match.

Headingly: 437 & 151-9 -- match drawn

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
AGod (IP Logged)
11/09/2017 08:18
And here are your numbers for the years one year either side for batting away from flat home tracks (as they still generally were then).. the grisly 2013 season under DN and very poor 2015 season under Maynard:

Maynard 2015:

New Road: 250 and 90 (disgraceful!) -- LOST badly

Leeds: 110 and 155 (pathetic) -- LOST badly

Edgbsaton: 265 and 170 (not very good) -- LOST badly

Hove 438-4 dec (vs 409) - fine. Draw

Trent Bridge - 312 and 161 - won easily

Northwood: 197 and 147-7

Hedge End: 346 and 64-1 - won by nine wickets

CLS: 225 and 158 - not great, heavily beaten.

We see, above, a pattern of too many heavy defeats caused by very poor batting totals and, especially a tendency to fold in the second innings of these games.



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Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
AGod (IP Logged)
11/09/2017 08:24
And, now, Nosworthy's wonderful first season when, I assume, he coached the batsmen himself, a la Maynard (2013)

Derby: 216 and 145-6 (the lone win in the first half of the season.)

CLS: 132 and 186 - lost.

Lord's (the great win) - 449 - won by an innings, with Chawla ton.

Trent Bridge: 372 and 101-1

Oval: 384 and 251-9

Horsham: 76 and 108 (one of the most disgraceful performances in club history)

Edbaston: 340 and 255 - drawn

Headingley: 252 and 61-6 (a gormless performance in which we lost 16 wickets on the final day and would obviously have lost the match but for earlier rain) (Yorks made 505-9)

So, perhaps this Nosworthy season wasn't quite as bad as I remembered, not as inept away as Maynard's first one, but still pretty poor and obviously worse than the DH season.

Edited to add that this season also included on particulary pathetic home innings, in which we scored 103 vs Derbyshire.



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Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
Grockle (IP Logged)
11/09/2017 08:32
Now all you have to do is show that DH had such an amazing approach that these differences were primarily down to him and we are home free.

How come in all this then that the criticism is directed at MM entirely. Am I wrong in saying that a further batting coach was appointed (via some higher level pressure I believe) to oversee some part of the 'non Houghton' years?

Where is the blistering criticism of him?

I think David suffers a little from the Jimi Hendrix syndrome of getting out early. But I can't really say on one season myself.



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Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
AGod (IP Logged)
11/09/2017 08:36
I'm not sure what you mean with your question - you know full well that we have CR now, so I assume that's not what you mean.

So far as I'm aware there was no batting coach in DN's first season. Presumably he thought he did not need one - and at least he was less stubborn on this point than MM wa, changing his mind after one poor year of batting, rather than waiting it out for two full seasons a la MM.

I have no idea who the batting coach was, if any, under Brian Rose - can anyone else help?

But one thing we can say, of course, is that for several of Brian's seasons Mr Trescothick was peerless so if we didn't have one, maybe that helped us get by without. Per the other thread Marcus has been better, since 2007, in terms of run scoring by more than 20% than anybody else (and we all know that most of those runs came before DN or MM took over)



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Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
AGod (IP Logged)
11/09/2017 08:41

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
AGod (IP Logged)
11/09/2017 08:41
Chunky - is Dave Houghton still in charge of batting at Middlesex?

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
Grockle (IP Logged)
11/09/2017 08:43
I've read very little criticism if Chris on here yet the batting has not exactly turned a corner. Why shouldn't I be referring to him? Is he Mr Teflon?



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Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
11/09/2017 08:55
Did not Peter Sanderson have the title of Batting Coach for several years, he quotes so in his CV.

Was given various roles during his prolonged time with the Club, now at Taunton School.

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
AGod (IP Logged)
11/09/2017 08:56
According to him, Matthew has him spend his time overwhelmingly with the second XI. You could say "Well he would say that, wouldn't he?" but, to be fair, I think he said this very early in the season. Chris said something about 'oh, first team players don't really need coaching,' or something like that earlier in the season.

So what happens to the first XI? Your guess is as good as mine.. does Matthew still deal with the first XI himself? Did Matthew never deal with the first XI, and instead spent the last two years coaching the second XI batsmen?

If the first XI batsmen have received next to no coaching since DH left, that might explain quite a lot.

But, whichever way you want to look at it:

a) It's Matthew's decision as to whether or not we have a batting coach.

b) It's Matthew's decision as to who we hire.

c) It's Matthew's decision as to how he directs that coach to work (viz time with firsts or seconds).

I note that, when DH was signed, DN said that DH would work across the entire club - clearly implying that he wouldn't be restricted just to the seconds which is what Rogers was saying about this season.

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
AGod (IP Logged)
11/09/2017 09:02
Whilst looking for the article with CR's comments, I instead found this, which I don't believe has been shared on here before. It might be interesting for anybody with any interest in coaching.. it's a piece written by Chris Rogers all about his approach to coaching...

[cricketmentoring.com]

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
AGod (IP Logged)
11/09/2017 09:06
[www.somersetcountycc.co.uk]

Here's the piece I was looking for. To be fair, CR doesn't say that he hasn't worked with the firsts, just that it's difficult to have that much impact on them.

However, as folks will see, the thrust of his first article is all about how even the best batsmen should be constantly seeking to make adjustments to improve so, if Chris has found that he hasn't been able to have so much impact on first-teamers, that may not be because he, himself, does not believe that changes are desirable .. perhaps we have batsmen like those in the sub-heading to Chris's own piece... ones that do not want to change..

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
AGod (IP Logged)
11/09/2017 09:19
Roger- yes, it seems that Peter was batting coach from 2008-2012 after which he became 'club analyst.'

[uk.linkedin.com]

I note that Mr Sanderson mentions lots of first-team players but I've no idea whether that's because he did loads of work with them, more so than the seconds, or simply because it looks good on his career history to namecheck them!

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
11/09/2017 09:24
Sky Cricket have a 'coaching session' on the Saturday morning prior to the start of play in the Test match. Last Saturday the guest was Marcus. Too much to recall or go into here; the session covered how his batting developed and evolved over his career-particularly his international career. The bit on how he batted v spin particularly good.

He did say that he was still looking to learn and improve, and there were things he worked on with Matt Maynard last off season.

Also interesting that Nasser Hussain commented on how quickly and easily he picked up on tips and adapted whilst he was with England whilst others (Flintoff the named example) would take months of work for changes to become established.

I don't know if Sky has an iPlayer equivalent but worth watching

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
11/09/2017 09:26
Jimmy Cook used to spend some early season time as a batting consultant during the Brian Rose years.

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
Bobstan (IP Logged)
11/09/2017 09:45
Was Cook not also batting coach at Glamorgan during Matthew Maynard's last season there?

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
11/09/2017 10:54
Quote:
AGod
or simply because it looks good on his career history to namecheck them!


I think you are correct...... long time Mates of Marcus, and Kerr also.

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
Grockle (IP Logged)
11/09/2017 11:40
Did David Houghton work primarily with the firsts then?

The certainty that Rogers did most of his work with the seconds has turned to he might have.

If our batting coach... Rogers assessment was there was little he could do with the firsts and so he was directed to work with the seconds.... MM has power over this. Why isn't Matt getting some credit for Eddy, Adam Hose, Tim, etc? Why aren't BOTH the DoC and his batting coach getting slated for not dealing with first team problems?

As always....something goes wrong DoC's fault.

Something works WITHIN the structure no credit to DoC. It happens despite him.

Criticise by all means but not EVERYTHING is wrong so not everything MM controls turns to.........



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Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
Farmer White (IP Logged)
11/09/2017 11:42
Here is a bit of clarity:

[www.somersetcountycc.co.uk]

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
AGod (IP Logged)
11/09/2017 11:51
So it sounds to me as though the ECB very possibly objected to any plan to potentially bowl Jamie before the end of the season.

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
11/09/2017 15:03
I am sure we all wish LG and JO a thorough recovery between now and Christmas. It would be good if the ECB has some representative cricket in mind for them in the early months of next year.



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Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
Grockle (IP Logged)
11/09/2017 15:12
Beat me to it Farmer.

This is the clear stuff we'd like to have. We know it all but it is gleaned from this but and that bit rather than being a clear statement from the club. I was looking for the press release that clarified it but the website pretty much tells it as it is.



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Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
11/09/2017 16:52
I have never before heard of a club discussing a player's future with the ECB's medical team.

Jamie Overton is probably always going to be a player who is fit one minute and then off for half a season or more the next. He has not I’m afraid proved to be a sound investment in the six seasons since his debut, and before long the club is going to have to cut their losses and, sad as it may appear to some, say enough is enough.

When I saw him play at Taunton for the England Under 19 side some years ago, I was excited by the promise that he showed. Don’t think that Craig was on the scene then. Not quite sure what has happened since to Jamie, but his stats. in the CC are very mediocre and he has missed huge chunks of several seasons to boot.

Lewis Gregory’s condition is also a worry, not for the first time. To his great credit he has shown a willingness to play when obviously not fully fit, and I hope his surgery next week goes well.

Some Somerset pace bowlers who had to give up the game through injury were mentioned on here recently. The player who I feel was the biggest loss to the game in recent years was Matt Bulbeck. He was tipped by those in the know for International honours but similarly a back condition was the reason for him quitting the game at the age of 23.

At the time people were saying that his back problem was accentuated and worsened by the demands of the fitness work required of him. That may be right and it may be wrong or it may be partly right or wrong. But looking at the subsequent breakdown of our young fast bowlers, I wonder if anyone at the club has taken on board the possibility that it may be true.

The club always needs to be on the lookout for bowlers (in particular pace bowlers) because a couple of injuries or early retirements means our resources are very limited.

Good luck to them both, but I am not overly optimistic that they will be on the scene for many years to come.



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Regardless, both glasses need filling up.

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
11/09/2017 16:54
AGod- sorry for late reply to your question (I do get out sometimes!)-

Yes, Dave Houghton still Middlesex batting coach.

Prefers to be low profile. I don't think he's given an interview all season.

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
Grockle (IP Logged)
11/09/2017 21:00
Has Jamie actually missed 'huge chunks' of 'several seasons'? I'm seriously asking anyone with the data.

Enjoyed watching Matt play in those days but I struggle to recall experts in the field at the time suggesting that his injury was 'accentuated and worsened' by the fitness regime he was under. I think Matt was playing in the time when regulations were in place to protect young bowlers and as the people dealing with Matt were professionals then he really ought to get the experts who said that to put it in writing so that he can sue the trainers for professional malpractice if that was the case.

Some bowling actions can take it and others can't. Caddy's could. Matt's couldn't. Paul Bird lost his shoulder. Dibble hardly made it off the table. A decade of bowling through injury and poor professional management nearly did for Johnno. The guys who seemingly did for Matt put Johnno back in an England shirt.

I'm also not sure how you marry your view of two bowlers together. In one paragraph you seem to be accusing professionals of aiding in the destruction of another professionals career while earlier on you congratulate Lewis for playing through injury - putting his own well being at risk.

Horses for courses I suppose. Maybe you should pop around to Daz Venness with Matt Bulbeck and suggest he destroyed Matt as a bowler. Or maybe ask Matt for his opinion. He is still about the place.

It's a delicate and dangerous business being a fast bowler but I don't think any of them get to Jamie's level nowadays without many discussions with medical professionals if they are being looked after properly.



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Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
AGod (IP Logged)
11/09/2017 21:48
I'm somewhat bemused that, as per Maynard's comments on the website we seem to have allowed LG to over-rule the surgeon.

There seems to be the suggestion that, even though he doesn't need an operation, Jamie cannot possibly bowl at the moment for fear of long-term consequences whereas, although LG definitely needed one, it was fine to let him elect to defer it.

I thought that LG had a stress fracture whereas Jamie's is supposed to have been that 'hot spot,' business which is a weakness with the potential to become a stress fracture, but not an actual fracture.

Either way, it's very worrying that both have had so many back issues.

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
Grockle (IP Logged)
11/09/2017 22:40
But wasn't it the case that whatever Lewis' injury was it wasn't doing any more damage but pain control was short term only. Not sure how those two marry together but there ya go



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Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
AGod (IP Logged)
12/09/2017 06:57
Well let's hope the surgery went well and that he will soon be well on the road to recovery.

He produced some yeoman efforts this season.

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
Grockle (IP Logged)
12/09/2017 09:10
We all hoped he'd be a bit òf both and it's turning out that way. At least if the back unfortunately does not hold up he is still a batsman who can help us in the future. Hope it all goes well.



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Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
18/09/2017 15:36
Email from the club.

Johann Myburgh has become the latest Somerset player to put pen to paper on a new deal.

The 36 year old has signed a contract which will keep him at the Cooper Associates County Ground for all white-ball cricket next season. This means that he will be available for both the NatWest T20 Blast and the Royal London One-Day Cup competitions in 2018.


Some of our feelings on Johann were correct, I am happy with that news.



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Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
18/09/2017 15:56
As per rumour last week, just news awaited on Josh Davey.

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
AGod (IP Logged)
18/09/2017 16:00
Well good news on Mybs but still have no idea viz the apparent refusal to even consider the man for red-ball cricket. If he were too injured to even be considered for red ball cricket next season, then it seems unlikely that we'd be giving him a new contract for white ball stuff. He definitely wanted to play red ball this season as he said as much on the radio. Perhaps that's no longer the case so far as next season is concerned but the club announcement being worded in this way seems to make it clear that he won't be seen in red ball.

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
mikeindex (IP Logged)
18/09/2017 16:03
Remarkable - I doubt I would have signed a new contract in JM's place.

Perhaps he sees his livelihood as lying mainly in sports tuition in the near-to-medium future and, sensibly enough, is happy to gain extra income from a contract which will see him employed, if at all, mainly in the school holidays.

Will this mean that, being on Somerset's books, he is eligible to play in the Championship too (academic commitments permitting)? Just in case of injuries/international calls impacting on our top order?

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
wsm fan (IP Logged)
18/09/2017 16:27
Davey is already under contract for next season.
So i believe that is everyone known now.

The reading between the lines suggests Myby has not played red ball this season as he is now white ball only. Whether it wholly our choice or his i for one dont know.

Obviously the best assumption on here is to batter Maynard for not picking him this season but maybe Myby had no desire or contract to do so?

Anyway we now know how we lie moving forwards. All eyes on the upcoming 100% bore draw at the Oval.....

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
18/09/2017 16:32
Who said the club refused him a red ball contract AGod, your inside knowledge is remarkable,
more like your assumption. But certainly not what I was given to understand.

I think you will find his availability is down to his position at his college.

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
wsm fan (IP Logged)
18/09/2017 16:48
Roger. Facts & balance are not welcome on here.
Speculation & agendas against certain people far more the way to go.....

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
18/09/2017 16:50
Are you sure, WSM?

Josh signed a 2 year deal in September 2015- which takes him up to now.

Don't recall any announcement of him signing a one year extension at any stage.

[www.somersetcountygazette.co.uk]

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
18/09/2017 17:25
That was my understanding also Chunky.

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
wsm fan (IP Logged)
18/09/2017 17:33
That is my understanding yes.
All players are now either released or under contract into next season

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
Grockle (IP Logged)
18/09/2017 19:38
Johann could not have accepted a CC contract as he has accepted a full time employment contract with his other employer. So the 'rejection' of a red ball contract was never really an option. Allowing leave to cover the white ball bits is one thing but leave for the rest means part time status for JM's main future job.



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Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
Grockle (IP Logged)
18/09/2017 21:36
Press Release related to Johann Myburgh

"Johann Myburgh has become the latest Somerset player to put pen to paper on a new deal.

The 36 year old has signed a contract which will keep him at the Cooper Associates County Ground for all white-ball cricket next season. This means that he will be available for both the NatWest T20 Blast and the Royal London One-Day Cup competitions in 2018.

Johann once again impressed in limited overs cricket in 2017 scoring 290 runs at an average of 36.25 with a strike rate of 171.60 in the NatWest T20 Blast. His Royal London One-Day Cup statistics are equally impressive and his three appearances in the competition this year saw him amass 120 runs at an average of 40 with a strike rate of 193.55.

After signing his new deal Johann said: “I’m very pleased and I feel blessed that I’m going to play for Somerset for another year. I’ve thoroughly enjoyed my time here so far and I’ve had great support from the fans.

“I’m keen to contribute to the team again and I’m desperate to win a trophy. I think we’re good enough to do that because we have a really talented group of players in the dressing room.”

Somerset CEO Lee Cooper said: “We are delighted to have retained Johann’s services for another year. He is an exceptional player, as demonstrated during this season, and we’re extremely pleased that he will be representing us again in white ball cricket in 2018."




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Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
AGod (IP Logged)
18/09/2017 22:23
Sorry, WSM, but so far as this season was concerned there's zero reason to believe that Mybs didn't want to be picked for red ball, given that he said on Beeb radio commentary of Surrey at home that 'I'm very much hoping to force my way into the red ball side for the rest of the season.'

He would have to be rather machiavellian to have told MM he didn't want to play red ball this season and then to have gone on the radio and said the opposite, would he not?

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
wsm fan (IP Logged)
18/09/2017 22:43
You stick to your theory thats fine.
His other job has been mentioned several times &his lack of red ball second team games dont tally with wanting or being able to play red ball too.
Anyway its rather irrelevant now.
We are crystal clear for 2018 he has a white ball only contract.
My only interest for the next 10 days is the 2 elevens we feild at Oval & HQ......

 
Re: So here's a bit of Clarity
Grockle (IP Logged)
18/09/2017 23:18
Whatever or whoever has or has not been 'Machiavellian' is pretty irrelevant.

However badly behaved you believe MM has been to poor old Johann and whether your little insights into areas of their personalities you can have no knowledge of are close to what happened or not are also irrelevant.

The situation is as WSM and the press release outlines it. Johann seems happy with the prospect and most of us are happy with it as well.

I'd suggest you leave it but you won't, so.... enjoy your irrelevant musings on a situation you can never know the real truth of while the rest of us look at the important bits of the end of this year in the hope it will provide opportunities for players staying to do better next season.



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