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Somerset v Lancs Part Deux


By Farmer White et al
September 14 2017

A good performance which has to be split in two for our mobile viewers because of the number of posts.  Cold but dry morning at Taunton and Jack Leach is already on at 11:30 to discuss the Lankies ability to play spin on this Third morning.  Tanks to Bagpuss for starting the second thread and thanks once again to Farmer White for the front page description of the second day.

Special Edition at the request of Somerset LalaLa…

The Farmer’s Highlights of Day 2

No appointments today so it was straight to my perch at the windy end of the top of Somerset Pavilion although from the gale that swept the Terrace all day I imagine those at that end of the seating would contest my claim. I was there for the start to see Jack Leach cut McClaren beautifully to the Caddick Pavilion and then, in the next over apparently almost literally hold his bat out horizontally to dry only for the ball to fly up off the top edge and Somerset were all out for 335.

Lancashire needed 186 to avoid the follow on. 186 all out is the first cricket score I can remember with certainty and for that reason and perhaps because of what followed it always reappears in my mind when it comes up in a match. Given what followed I hope it has no resonance for this match. England made it in the first innings of the Edgbaston Test against the West Indies in 1957. Sonny Ramadhin took 7 for 49. West Indies replied with 474 all out. England were doomed. At least they were until Peter May and Colin Cowdrey decided to play Sonny Ramadhin and Denis Atkinson, off break bowlers both, with their pads if the ball was outside the line. In those days a batsman could not be out lbw if the ball hit him outside the line whether he was playing a stroke or not. The result a fourth wicket partnership if 411, the match saved and figures for Ramadhin of 2 for 179 from 98 overs. Thereafter the spell he had held over England’s batsmen thus far in the 1950s broken.

But, as they say, I digress. Lancashire started with 6 runs in occasional singles turned to leg or leg byes. Nothing much seemed to be happening apart from Overton and Groenewald powering in. There was no apparent movement so I walked over to the Terrace for a look from directly behind the arm. I had just got in place when Davies edged Overton, beaten by the bounce I thought, straight into Trecothick’s hands at second slip. 6 for 1. The last ball of that over going past the edge of Livingstone’s bat. “Ooooh” came from the crowd. It was that sort of ball.

I watched another Overton over. I could see no swing. He was angling the ball in to the batsmen perhaps helped by a scintilla of movement off the pitch. Perhaps not. The score reached 7 for 1 off 10 overs as Groenewald took his turn to go past the edge of Livingstone’s bat. Leach replaced Overton at the Somerset Pavilion with Trego coming on at the River End. Apart from an over from Leach from which Livingstone took 8 Lancashire were being corralled by the bowlers perhaps helped by Hameed’s style. He had reached 4 not out from 19 overs when Trego bounced him, Hameed pulled, top edged, and Bartlett ran in from Gimblett’s Hill to take the catch. “Fancy prodding for 19 overs to do that” someone said. 22 for 2.

Livingstone had been trying to move the score along and having crossed with Hameed immediately drove Trego for 4. Croft then took boundaries off Trego and Leach. 39 for 2. Lancashire looked determined and focused on regaining control. I wandered back to the Terrace to see how much Leach was turning the ball. I had no sooner lined up my eye than Livingstone charged Leach and edged him to Overton at slip. 39 for 3. Another bonus point and a visitor from Mars might have been bemused to be told it was Lancashire that had entered the match with a sniff of the Championship and Somerset staring in the other direction. After their innings of yesterday and this start Somerset were now at least looking up the table with some hope.

Looking behind me I saw a huge black cloud slipping by, dropping rain no more than a mile or so from the ground, and leaving a few spots on the Terrace. The weather has its own ways of letting you know it can, if it chooses, always have the last word in a cricket match or even on a season. Bess must have seen it as he came on at the River End. Almost immediately he induced Croft to edge him hard to the right of Overton at slip. The ball bounced a couple of feet in front of Overton and flew off the turf. Overton took it cleanly, a not entirely common occurrence in the slips when the ball bounces. Almost more impressive than a catch as far as skill and reaction are concerned. Overton is not often kept out of the game and he seems to be hugely enjoying his cricket. Somerset supporters certainly are.

Croft responded by hitting Bess over his head for six and accelerated a little up to Lunch which Lancashire reached at 61 for 3 off 30 overs. Somerset had edged Lancashire on the first day and they had done it again on the second morning. Lancashire had now been behind in the game since Somerset recovered from 105 for 4 although now even that did not look a bad score.

With lunch came the rain, the third team in any cricket match. Like Lord Stanley at the Battle of Bosworth it can often be decisive depending on which of the other two sides it decides to favour. Let us hope in this match it does not favour the Lancastrians as Stanley did at Bosworth. When the heavens did empty they did so for twenty minutes with such force thoughts turned to whether we might start before tea rather than after Lunch. I was trapped under the balcony of the Somerset dressing room for the duration. The leaden skies suggesting there might be no more play for some time.

It was time to discuss all matters cricket as I gradually circumnavigated the ground. Somerset’s extended loss of batting form this season. Generally inexplicable. The Championship being played mainly in late spring and early autumn. Everything from inexcusable for cricketing reasons to unavoidable because of cricket’s existential dependency on broadcasting rights and T20 gate receipts. Tom Abell’s late season renaissance. Wonderful. The growing force that Stephen Davies is becoming. A relief after his start. Contract renewals and endings. Which spinners will England take, as opposed to which one do we think they should take, to Australia? Perhaps Mason Crane because there seems to be a theory that a leg spinner is essential in Australia. Or perhaps not.

Stoppages for rain and the constant disparity of view between Umpires in the middle of the conditions and spectators beyond the boundary on suitability for play an inevitable item of debate. I am less critical of Umpires on this point. I have never forgotten an injury I witnessed to a player on a wet outfield at Taunton some years ago which left me feeling numb. I do though think more and quicker information could be given to spectators during weather interruptions. Spectators cannot know the state of the outfield at the edge of the covers for instance. Glorious sun does not necessarily mean a safe outfield. Only the Umpires can judge that. Whenever there is a delay, whether it is at the cricket or on a train, lack of information always fuels discontent.

And so on until the final inspection at the end of which Umpire Nick Cook was seen talking to a member of the ground staff and then hurrying off the field with a purpose the reason for which became clear when we were back on within ten minutes for a long final session. Helped by a spinners’ over rate, in the end, the equivalent of 76 overs were bowled in the day. Given how damp the outfield, at least just inside the boundary had been at the start, that was probably as good as it could be.

And now to that glorious final session. I had only managed to reach the old Stragglers area on my circumnavigation by the start of play. Chanderpaul and Livingstone looked to be re-establishing themselves when discussion turned to Jack Leach. He was not looking particularly troublesome to the batsmen as so often he does not. Then as so often happens when he is looking like that something happened and Chanderpaul was gone. Caught at short leg by Trescothick. 82 for 4 and Lancashire’s three best batsmen back in the Pavilion.

I took the opportunity to carry on back to my perch. I am inclined to dawdle on my circumnavigations and I heard the appeal that sent Croft back to the Caddick Pavilion and the cheer from the crowd that confirmed it from behind the Somerset Pavilion. I sometimes think I take more wickets from behind that Pavilion than I do from the top of it. Caught Davies bowled Overton according to the scoreboard. 86 for 5. Still 100 short of my 186 talisman. I would have been over the moon at the start of the day for Lancashire to be out for that. Now I prayed they would get nowhere near it.

Vilas promptly provided the first answer to my prayer. Groenewald forced him into an inside edge for 2. His immediate response, the very next ball, was an airy drive at one which Groenwald had sent slightly wide, Davies the grateful recipient of the largesse. 99 for 6. Leach continued to look innocent until Parry made an awful mess of playing back and the ball made an awful mess of his stumps. I am not sure how I would react if Jack Leach offered me a smile as innocent looking as some of his wicket taking balls. 108 for 7. With that wicket he had done it 100 times at Taunton in first class cricket.

I am a restless soul at the cricket so I took myself off to the Terrace to see how Bess was doing at the other end from the Leach mayhem. That was the end of TE Bailey who charged down the wicket in a fashion that must have had his erstwhile namesake turning in his grave. You do not offer Stephen Davies stumping chances like that. 111 for 8. By now the Jack Leach Stephen Davies combo was unstoppable. Another catch behind off Jarvis. 112 for 9.

And so started that orchestrated last wicket ballet of modern cricket. Whenever Ryan McClaren, the only batting survivor of the mayhem, was facing in the first four balls of an over back to the boundary went the field offering a single no-one expected him to take. If he was still there for the fifth ball in came the field. It would be interesting to know how often this tactic bears fruit. I am not sure it always does. Yesterday seemed to my mind a typical example. McClaren usually managed the single off one or other of the last two balls and the occasional boundary and the one over where Parkinson was trapped at the batting end at the start of an over, from recollection, he saw off without too much difficulty. In the end the partnership netted 21 runs .More than the preceding four wickets which had fallen to attacking fields put together. I do wonder if continuing to attack the batsmen with every ball especially where the wicket is being helpful might be the better tactic.

Still 133 all out was a result Somerset supporters could only have dreamed of at the start of play and we were all on cloud nine. Or would have been had there been any clouds of any substance to be on for the evening was bathed in sunshine although the chill wind reminded us of the month. All around me were for enforcing the follow on particularly with so much rain forecast. I was just glad the decision was not mine.

And so to the close with Lancashire still 174 behind with ten wickets still intact. There were still signs of help for the bowlers. Stephen Davies looked very disappointed to have juggled and dropped ball moving away from him off Jack Leach’s first ball. Had his namesake edged it? Earlier one seemed to drop just short of Trescothick off Overton although one or two wondered if it might just have carried. Another off Leach dropped well short of slip. Tantalizing.

A thought ahead of the last match of the season when light may be a worry. The shadow of the flats reached the centre line of the pitch at 17.53 although with the sun still bright as it sank light was not an issue at the end of this day.

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Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
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14/09/2017 10:28
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Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 04:42
Sorry Grockle for starting a new thread but haven't been able to view the main one since yesterday morning as too big (usually a sign of a poor Somerset performance so who knows what banter has filled the pages this time)

I expect lots of pro-follow-on comments. To be honest the decision makes me nervous; Somerset batting and fourth innings have not been happy bedfellows this season, not least against our current opponents. But with only 9 scheduled overs (12 squeezed in) before the close of play and on-off weather likely first thing tomorrow not likely to overcook the bowlers (with no Jove or Lewis we need to be very careful with Craig and Tim for the next fortnight. No football warm-ups please!). And if it comes to a fourth innings chase, at least this time no Jimmy Anderson.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 05:19
See Jack's comments re: track - they think it may do an Essex.

If only our track would predictably either improve or deteriorate with time, life would be so much easier for our Captain.

I still think Lancs may have inserted us because they may have decided track would get better rather than worse.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 05:24
Geordie M - why, on the deity's green earth, were you watching Warks vs Essex rather than Somerset vs Lancs?

You know our game is also live on our website - just go to match centre on the website and you'll find a link to the Youtube feed..

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 07:22
Well, this is the day that could go along way to keep us up.
The weather forecast for tomorrow is very poor so we have to get them all out today for an innings win, or a very small run chase late on.
Come on Somerset, we can do it

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 07:48
Yep need to finish it today.

Forecast for Uxbridge has improved, sadly.

I suspect that even a total of 200 may be enough for Middx to win by an innings vs Hants as Hants seem to have picked only four guys that can bat, two of whom are primarily bowlers (Berg and Abbott).

Realistically we'll need at least one very long stand from Jimmy Adams and Sean Ervine to hold Middx up.

I'd question whether Hants should be penalised for having Carberry out on loan with a bunch of novices in the team - isn't there something in the competition rules about having to pick your strongest team?

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
hantssabre (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 08:00
Carberry is yet to reach double figures for Leicestershire unfortunately and Bailey is out with the World XI in Pakistan. Vince pulled a hamstring in warm ups so not a lot else left other than Will Smith but as he hasn't seen any first team action at all this season then one must assume he's on his way out.

Not really sure why Carberry was allowed out on loan in the first place and why they let Bailey pick up a large sum to sit out the first two matches in Pakistan but I guess Rod doesn't care too much about the CC!

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 08:22
Baggy's problem may be to do with making threads 'sticky'. On an iPad, that means they open as one long page, not split into 20-post pages. This can be a nightmare.

I would suggest that current-game threads aren't made sticky as they will stay near the top of the message list anyway...?

On the important business of the day: a good one for Jack to prove me wrong about him not taking a hatful of wickets in the second innings when we expect it to turn - tho tbh I don't care who takes the wickets as long as we win! Can be Tres and Davies for all I care.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 08:27
That's exactly the problem SP. Especially stickies with an article at the top of them. Hence starting a new thread I suspect I'm not the only one with this problem.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 08:32
No play before lunch at Uxbridge.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 08:55
SP - good idea about the match thread.

You're wrong about Leachy, though, he's had plenty of final innings success - including various home games last season, Yorks away last year etc.

I don't believe, for one moment, that Jack will let us down but I do suspect that Lancs have enough batsmen that can play that the law of averages will mitigate disposing of them so cheaply for a second time... if the track gets slower that may also mitigate against it.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 09:21
Surprised you say that Rod Bransgrove doesn`t care about the county championship, hantssabre, when he shamelessly and obnoxiously slagged off Durham left, right and centre last year to make sure they were relegated despite finishing fourth - and that Hampshire, who won only twice all season, were reprieved.



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 09:33
Bransgrove is a disgrace to cricket.

It looks like we are delayed by half an hour - very annoying.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 09:40
11am start, lunch at 1, tea at 3.40, 96 overs in the day.
Prefer to wait for the outfield to dry a bit; a wet ball won't help the bowlers.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 09:43
SP - you'll be delighted to hear that this delay has given me the chance to get the Wisdens out... let's look at Leachy's final innings (of match) bowling efforts in recent times: Here are his final innings of match figures from last season:


Yorks home :21-8-33-1 (match drawn)

Middx home: 5-0-36-2 (!!) - lost the declaration game on total flat track.

Durham home: 17-3-46-4 - won

Warks home: 25-9-42-6 - won

Notts home: 21.2-5-69-4 - won

Strike out the Middx outlier and nothing to scare any horses there, I would say.

Yorks away: 24.3-4-64-6 - won

Middx away: 30-8-77-5 - match drawn

Lancs away: 40-11-105-2 - match drawn


183-48-472-30

Average: 15.73

E/R: 2.57

Strike rate: 36.6


So, SP, I think you can probably agree with me that we can put that notion to bed?

I think every other spinner in England would KILL for that strike-rate!!

But, of course, utter thick-head ECB apparatchik morons prefer Batty and Dawson.



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 09:57
It's 10:57 and I see neither covers nor umpires yet we are meant to be making an 11am start - what gives?

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
mikeindex (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 10:03
Quote:
AGod
I suspect that even a total of 200 may be enough for Middx to win by an innings vs Hants as Hants seem to have picked only four guys that can bat, two of whom are primarily bowlers (Berg and Abbott).

Isn't it a bit premature to dismiss someone picked as a batsman by a first-class county as "unable to bat" simply because they are inexperienced and unsuccessful to date at the top level?

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 10:07
I don't think making a thread 'sticky' causes the problem. It is presenting it as if it is an 'article' which people are then invited to contribute to.

Don't sportsnetwork rules require an article once a fortnight, or site closes? That's why Kev on MTWD always encourages someone to do a separate 'match report' Quite often they only attract one or two comments, but it solves the need to write an article, and you don't end up with one mega long page for the game as a whole.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 10:07
Some pleasing shape in terms of coming back into the batsman from TG in that opening over.

Mikeindex - they have no proven ability to bat and, if they could ever get on the park, the MIddx attack must be licking their lips!

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 10:20
Really enjoying Tim's work so far this morning - very good.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 10:24
I think we can already see signs of better fight from Lancs this time around. They look like they will make us earn this - which is the way that it should be.

Could be a great battle, all day long..

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
mikeindex (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 10:25
Agreed AG - but "unproven" doesn't automatically equate to "rubbish". Everybody was unproven once.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 10:27
Jack on the spot - teasing and probing immediately.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 10:32
Sachin might have nicked the second ball of the 22nd over, bowled by Jack.. Alex Davies? Not a hope in hell.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 10:35
Looking at the way Hameed dealt with the second ball of the following over, bowled by Dom, you can see why the man made all those runs last winter.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 10:41
Very pleased to see that Tom has moved the gully round to bat pad on the off-side for Leachy, when bowling to Davies - that is as it should be.

Given Craig's skill and reach then it's not really clear why the gully is needed - probably most balls that go that way, Craig would snaffle from slip anyway.

To keep up my run of commentary on the second balls of overs, the next over from Leachy the second ball was a poor one, a little short and far too wide - and Davies failed to put it away - hopefully a sign that the pressure is starting to get to him.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Grockle (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 10:50
Thanks for setting up the new thread. I mentioned it last night but I have no real idea when it starts to become a problem.

I've raised the issue of the article (where the site gets its revenue I believe) having to be there to keep the site open but I'll take the 'sticky' off and see how that changes things if at all.

I was working on a post size of about 100 but the thread went crazy after about 3:30 yesterday and was up in the 180's be the time I got to it in the evening.

I'll bring it up with SN again.... Nothing tends to happen though.

Have to agree though that it is good that this is happening during a match with a good Somerset performance rather than because of loads of moans which people may try and avoid anyway.

If it starts to become unmanageable for pad and mobiles users then please start a third thread and we'll see about when it happens.

That is assuming there is lots of good stuff to talk about as Lances pass 50 without loss this morning.



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 10:51
Davies fighting really hard - yet still looks very vulnerable.

I'd consider a bat-pad on the leg side for him, when facing Leachy, too - might get him stabbing late at an arm-ball or something like that.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 10:53
Next time that Hammed is on strike at the start of an over, we should slip Craig or Tim back on.... he just doesn't look like getting out vs spin, to me.

Dom not yet at his best, either.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Grockle (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 10:59
Possible stumping miss off Dom



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 11:02
Yes, as soon as I said that Hameed had never looked like getting out vs spin........... however, I think that HH may have hit the ball, making it a theoretical "drop," but one that the the 'keeper would not have a real prayer with.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Grockle (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 11:02
The boys aren't tying them down this morning. I am afraid.



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 11:05
Well, Jack is.

Dom some way from his best.

This is where we are probably regretting the team selection - VDM instead of Bartlett would look very useful right now. Or even the Meerkat for an extra pace option.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 11:08
Trego on but I'm afraid I don't see him as a great wicket-taking option.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Grockle (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 11:16
Could be a long day....... just over 100 ahead but they still have 10 wickets in hand. Conditions keep varying, sunny to grey, grey to sunny. Rain clouds and blue sky both skirting around the ground. nothing coming over the top of concern as of yet.

Ball isn't swinging and the spinners don't have a lot going for them either. No significant weather taking hold at the moment - bit of everything.



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Grockle (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 11:19
Off for rain at 12:20.
82 for 0
36.1 overs

Cook gets them off and waves the covers on.



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 11:20
Rain and, one assumes, an early lunch.

Possibly not a bad thing - make them start again sooner than would otherwise have been the case.

I thought TG looked a likely lad first up and that we should not have taken him off so quickly.

Jack bowled several good balls -and a couple of unplayable ones. Dom also bowled a couple of very good balls, but far too many four balls. We should remember that he's only playing about his ninth or tenth first-class match.

Hammed looked comfortable vs spin, though I think he survived a chance to Bess - was it a stumping chance or a catch chance? I think the latter (in which case it was almost impossible) as the ball seemed to arrive at SD at a rate of knots. If it was a stumping chance, then it was a really poor piece of keeping because he got nowhere near it, it seemed to me.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 11:21
When play resumes, will Farmer please go and and stand behind the Somerset Stand.



LoL

Sixty-nine Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 11:28
Oh, straight back on, by the looks... No early lunch.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Grockle (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 11:30
Nice to see and have a chat to Mr Anderson (not of Matrix fame) today. He looked well and was on form. Still a staunch supporter of the County Game but complaining about the may Lord McLaren and his successors have basically neutered the County representatives to get movement towards a desire to see a reduced first class CC

Players back on at 12:32 Jack from the Pavilion



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
mikeindex (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 11:31
Simultaneously earning money, watching Somerset live and Essex on TV and drinking beer - can life get better?
Well yes, Somerset could be getting a few more wickets.
Warwickshire's continuing disintegration and Essex's unstoppable progress interrupted by James Foster missing a stumping. Now that's a sight you don't see very often.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 11:32
The Leachy dismissal of Davies, which looked imminent all morning has finally happened!

Hurrah! well done, Leachy!

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Grockle (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 11:32
Davies drives, gets a thick leading edge and is pouched by Mr Leach on 49 82/1. Third ball.

We've lost two overs for the rain break by the way.



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 11:36
Absolutely the right move by Tom to re-introduce Cove vs Hameed.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
mikeindex (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 11:41
Very nice sharp c&b.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 11:43
I'd give my left arm to get Hameeed before lunch.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 11:44
With all due apologies to Shiv, I think these two are their two best players..

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Grockle (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 11:45
Off again at 12:45 for rain. More concerted move to get the covers on this time though the umpires have stayed on. They are taking an early lunch 113 behind at 89 for 1



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 11:45
That must be lunch this time. A less welcome interruption, I think, this time around.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Grockle (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 12:19
Clear sunshine and a blue sky for the afternoon with just under half an hour to go until the end of lunch.

Presently we have about 66 overs in two more sessions today to get this match under our control.



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 12:27
If we can get 2/3 of HH, LL and Shiv then I think the rest could be disposed of without too much trouble.. we shall see..

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 12:51
I'm beginning to think, though, that Grockle may be right about a long day in the dirt.

Not much happening since lunch. Track may be slowing, I think. This completely vindicates the decision to enforce the follow-on (as taking wickets would just be more difficult tomorrow, assuming the trend continues.)

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 12:57
Yorks are five down so there's an outside chance of them dropping a batting point at the Oval.

Inspecting now at Uxbridge.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 13:01
Another good over from Tim - getting some reverse into the RHBs now, I think.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Grockle (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 13:05
Hammed 50 at 126 for 1 151 balls and 6 fours. It's all gone very quiet - a Taunton 3rd day pitch? Lancs may bowl last on this with Parkinson getting an awful lot of turn from the Pavilion in the first innings.

How the game twists and turns



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 13:19
Parkinson liable to find that the ball will turn even more slowly tomorrow.

At the moment an increasingly tired looking strip has draw written all over it.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Grockle (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 13:21
At 131 the replay suggests that it did not carry - though it is a tough one to call. Jack did not go up confidently



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Grockle (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 13:39
Hammed finally plays the crud and we have two. Jack caught Abell 144/2. It seems to have stopped on him and that 'may' be the change we need.



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 13:39
Yes!!!! HH has given it away for a second time in the match - thank God!!

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 13:41
Umpires inspected the area where the ball pitched after the dismissal..

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 13:48
Yorks 7 down so looks likely they'll drop a batting point.

Still no play at Uxbridge, which is absurd.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 13:54
Thank you, Dom, looked bang in line and good decision.

Now for the key remaining stand of the innings - LL and Shiv

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Grockle (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 13:54
Bess gets Croft. 151 for 3



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Streeter (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 13:55
Still on the track of the commentary, it can't be a geographic /rights issue as i can get warwick, surrey and worcester. If others are receiving our one any techies have any idea as to why I;m not ? Most odd. It was there yesterday afternoon .

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 13:59
AG asked earlier why I was watching Warwick and not our live feed.
Simple answer- I was using the laptop to work on in front on the TV with my phone on cricinfo.... We just have to keep going today. It is often the case that one wicket down starts a few more down with new batsmen, It is also quite often that a side following one makes a decent 2nd innings score, which is why the enforcement has fallen out of favour.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 14:01
Get these 2 and life will look brighter

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 14:03
Will start at 3.30 at Uxbridge.

Spineless Warks relegated.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 14:29
Magnificent ball from Dom to do Shiv!!!

Game very much back on!!!!

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 14:29
Well done Dom - a couple more quick ones please



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Scrumper (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 14:41
Chucking it down in Weston, Taunton very lucky to escape.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 14:42
Tea. Vilas looks a walking wicket vs spin to me, so I hope we either don't take the new ball or, should we do so, give it to the spinners. Dom should be a handful for McLaren.

Should LL lose Vilas, I wonder if he may start to hit out to try to give Lancs a sniff of a defendable lead?

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 14:44
You won't believe this - Uxbridge caught another shower. If it amounted to much at all then that might be no play there yet again today..

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 14:47
Met Office suggesting heavy shower soon, which would tally with Scrumper's info.

Forecast for tomorrow afternoon not clever so IF we're going to win this then it may need to be won by tomorrow lunchtime, very possibly.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Grockle (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 14:52
The seamer's wicket is when the middle pole goes cartwheeling back.

The spinner's equivalent must be when the batsman comes confidently forward and you just hear that little 'snick' as the bail goes because the ball has come back in or moved through the gate.

Excellent wicket from Dom Bess



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Grockle (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 14:59
Tim from the Rover with the new ball and a bit of rain on its way in. 23 overs supposedly remaining in the 2 hour session after Tea.



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Grockle (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 15:06
Interesting conversations with Nick Cook, the other umpire and the Somerset slip cordon about the fact he seems to want to go off in beautiful sunshine because he saw a band of rain.

Didn't get the response he wanted, which was to go off it seems.



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 15:06
Yorks dropped a batting point, likely to have to follow-on.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 15:08
Cook is a toad.

I wondered where the hell he thought he was going.

Anyway I want the spinners back on vs Vilas ASAP, even if we do have to wait out a rain break first.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Grockle (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 15:14
Vilas goes 189 for 5 Caught behind off Cove.



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 15:15
Cancel that spinner order vs Vilas, but I'd still want Dom vs McLaren!!

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 15:37
92.2 unplayable from Cove to McLaren. Lara might have nicked it.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Grockle (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 15:37
Lots of chat going on between Nick Cook and the Somerset boys..... bit tense out there.



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 15:41
Finally on in West London.

Yorkshire following on in Kennington.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Grockle (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 15:46
Scores are level with 1 hour and 15 mins to go tonight.



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 15:49
Come on, break this pair and we're through!!

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 15:53
Livingstone definitely worth a shot for the Ashes plane. No idea why he was considered to be behind Tom Westley in the first place. Looks a strong player with few obvious weaknesses.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 15:57
Big Tom, Tres, keeper, Cove mid-pitch conference now..

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 16:03
The GREAT Jack Leach has probably just won us this match - and maybe saved our season's bacon..

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Grockle (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 16:05
Livingstone out caught behind (he wasn't as sure and Davies appealed to the square leg umpire for stumped) given out by Umpire Cook. 215/6 and Leachy has 3



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 16:33
Thanks, Jack.

On course for yet another spectacular haul!!

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 16:35
One more, then claim the extra 30 minutes..

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 16:41
Some shocking decisions by the umps today, mainly by Cook as per - but on this occasion I'll take them!



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 16:42
Come on, 2 to get, and then just a few runs....

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Grockle (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 16:43
The only difference is that they are FOR us. The Livingstone one was very strange.



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Streeter (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 16:56
Dylan Thomas HAS to be BJ on the video. He's just quoted Wilf Wooler !

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 16:56
Looking at the weather forecast we might only get an hours play tomorrow (as long as the outfield isn't too wet - get down there with sponges everyone).
Desperately need to get these last two....

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 17:02
Well, still work to do and no certainty the weather will give us the time to complete it.

Heavy rain forecast from around 7-9... should that be delayed a couple of hours then that could be the morning session gone. Afternoon showers, some heavy, also in the forecast.

Please, I beseech you all... do an anti-rain dance tonight!!

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 17:03
Yes, Streeter - I thought as much yesterday with the smart tv/teletext quip.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Grockle (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 17:04
And that's yer lot for today. Still some work to go tomorrow. Need these two out and not for much more. Driving seat for Somerset but we don't want any kind of engine stall tomorrow!!



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 17:06
Nor leaky roof...

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 17:11
Middx 154 for 7.

Look for Hants to agree some shady deal tomorrow... it will be a disgrace if Hants don't insist upon a deal losded in their favour as their price of agreement, given their woeful batting resources in this match.

For example, it would be disgraceful if Hants agree to chase 200+ in 50 overs or so with this line-up.

With a line-up this poor they should insist on something as favourable as 180 in 60 if Middx want them to play ball and set up a game.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 17:19
Another terrific day.

Oh for a dry day tomorrow.

Could be a dramatic Friday, viewed from near, far, or behind the sofa......

Grizzzly

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
mikeindex (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 17:35
In case anyone missed it, I have this feeling that AGod doesn't rate the current Hants batting line-up.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 17:36
Looking at the remaining fixtures they seem to favour Yorkshire - as they will play first a demoralised side with nothing to play for (Warks) and then a side in party mood with nothing to play for (Essex).

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 18:17
The fixtures may favour Yorkshire but they are rubbish. Tomorrow is their relegation party. It must be a great feeling for Somerset tonight, relishing the fall of Bailey and Jarvis with Parkinson to come. And no time to waste before the afternoon rain. Essex will be worthy Championship winners, a 4th innings collapse to their Lanky subordinates is not worth contemplating.

And win we must before the draw fest at boring, benign Surrey

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
nelliec (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 18:17
I don't think Hants will want to give Middlesex anything AG.They are not guaranteed to stay up yet,and a draw would probably do for them.
I'd be surprised if Somerset don't release Hise to play against Yorks next week as well



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 18:42
Yes, Hose will be available from now on. But, frankly, it would take a lot more than Hose to change their fortunes - Kallicharan, Kanhai, Pollock and Donald would be needed to turn that shambles around..

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Clarence Parker (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 18:51
An attritional days watching, but with credit due to both sides in the way that they approached the situation.

The pitch certainly did not offer much to our bowlers who stuck manfully to the cause. My only comment would be that in a match situation such as this, Pete Trego can no longer be considered a vital part of our attack. We were thus IMO one bowler short - someone to come on and bowl something different thereby giving our 4 bowlers a bit of a rest.

Hoping for good weather conditions tomorrow in order to secure a well - deserved victory.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 18:52
Not sure if its been mentioned today, but interesting to see Johann Myburgh, was on the field during one of the breaks today, and also took supplies out to one or two of our players during play.

Max Waller was acting twelfth man.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Grockle (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 19:06
Johann has been working with Max off field all the way through this game.



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 19:16
So the pimpernel lives then!?

Seriously it seems that we may win a second successive match since the Essex game, yet with the same situation as the last match, where neither of the two players introduced after the Essex game have done much of anything to justify their inclusion (sorry but, nice touch though it was, thanking the catering staff is insufficient justifcation for playing!).

So if Myburgh's arms and legs have not fallen off then I STILL think he should play the final two games - and bat at three if Tom is not going to..

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 19:43
Incidentally, before somebody says 'why wasn't JM in the seconds side?' my answer is that Max obviously wasn't either - are we supposed to think that Max has a mysterious 'injury,' too?

I wonder whether the earlier contract rumour viz Max is true and that MM has determined that those who won't be here next season will play no part in either first or second XI. I note that Mr Allenby is also not playing with the seconds...which would fit the same theory.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 19:45
Forecast has deteriorated sharply within the last few hours. If right, tomorrow could be a total washout.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 20:15
My thoughts on today.

Frustrating having to wait once again because of a wet out-field, just as frustrating was having to wait for thirty minutes with the sun out before starting. The problem area seems once again to be the net area in front of the Somerset Pavilion that didn't have the drainage system installed under it. It is not being used for nets now anyway.

The match.

What an entertaining days cricket, anybody who are not a Somerset supporter must be wondering why we are near the the bottom of the table after watching us play today.
Somerset's fielding today was perfect, the number of runs saved in the field today must be around twenty.
My opinion of Peter Trego fielding today has change from not being very good to the best I have seen from him field for a very long time.(keep up the good work Peter)

The bowling once again can't be faulted, they bowled with control even when at times we were wondering when we would take the next wicket.

I thought last night was that we may have to bat again, the last wickets shouldn't add many more runs (I hope) so hopefully a win by lunch.

One of the Lancashire batsman who was not happy to be given out (was it Livingston?) made his thoughts known when walking off the field, when he returned to the Lancashire dressing room it looked like they closed the dressing room doors. (I wonder why smiling smiley ).



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 20:40
Quote:
AGod
Looking at the remaining fixtures they seem to favour Yorkshire - as they will play first a demoralised side with nothing to play for (Warks) and then a side in party mood with nothing to play for (Essex).

We must win tomorrow with Yorkshire's last two games against teams with nothing to play for as you say. I know they are professionals and Warks will want to restore some pride, and Essex will want to go unbeaten all season, but psychologically they could all be relaxing on a beach somewhere.

Hopefully Middx will not get much v Lancs next up (another team without much to play for now?), and then it is down to us v Middx last game - but again we must find a way to force the win tomorrow - but will the weather allow this - else the gap may just be too much.
Oh for the 16 points we threw away v Yorks, and the 5 v Essex just a couple of weeks ago.



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 21:14
That Yorkshire home game is certainly the potential swing game.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
wsm fan (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 22:21
We will win tomorrow.
We hopefully need an hour, worst case 80/90mins.
Im sure Simon and co will be there from daybreak doing their upmost.
I fail to contemplate after 3 days where we have battered the 2nd placed team that justice wont prevail and we get our most deserved 22pts and rise to 6th maybe even 5th by 6pm tomorrow.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 22:23
Did you hear any rumours in the press box this week Grockle of a couple of White Ball only contracts being offered.?

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
wsm fan (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 22:43
Davey Waller & Myburgh our only unknowns now?
The rest either contracted until Sept 18 at least or released (Ryan Jim Michael)

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
14/09/2017 22:57
Even if Team Essex gave the championship wrapped up this week there is still something for individuals to play for at the end if the season; Westley will want weight if runs to convince the selectors he's in form and worth consideration for an Ashes spot whilst Lawrence and Porter must fancy their own trip to Australia with the Lions. Meanwhile Yorkshire will be shorn of Plunkett, Willey and Rashid till season's done.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Scrumper (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 00:09
Davey released, Myburgh retired, Waller retained is my prediction.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 04:32
Forecast has now totally cleared!!!!!

Hurrah!!!!! Finish the job, boys!!!

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
sandhills (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 05:03
Agod cant u sleep haha. Not much over night rain on M5 this morning. Hope ur correct along with WSM predictions.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 05:40
When I say totally cleared, there's now a huge window from about 11-5 to get things dried up from any early morning rain and before anything else is forecast. So if forecast right we should get a good four hours or so in.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 06:26
A while ago Bagpuss shared anxiety about batting last. This season that's understandable but if the weather is kind then we shouldn't have to get more than about 60 and I think even us might manage that. The bowlers deserve all kinds of praise. The rate of scoring is testimony to their parsimony and perseverance.The follow on was the right decision.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Grockle (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 07:29
Conspiracy still. The 'Maynard strstegem' is worth a smile. If you are not here next year you can't play first or second but you can 12th man. Comments about 'mystery' injuries as if anyone really cares while we are winning.

Ref Waller.....nothing. Ref Myburgh....... no retirement dìscussion. Next year white ball contract could be the ONLY one and the arrangement would be the same as this. Davey? No mention at all.



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 07:55
Another interesting observation was that there are five players up for player of the year, and who should be one of them but no other than Johann Myburgh.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 08:05
And don't forget the second XI match was a friendly, that could have made a difference on who was picked to play.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Wickham (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 08:22
If the BBC forecast is to be believed, the anti-rain dance which AG called for seems to have come off. No more than Somerset deserve, after dominating the match from the time of the Abell/Davies partnership.

All the evidence from the celebrations when wickets fell is that there is a terrific team spirit.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Farmer White (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 08:31
DAY 3 MUSINGS

Umpire Nick Cook was seen looking expectantly at the sky beyond the Trescothick Stand where the weather was coming from on this third day as a brief smattering of rain swept the ground. Groans. Then the deep rising roar of an approaching Spitfire filled the air and most eyes were on the sky. It curled away behind the flats having taken another peek at the cricket. You watch cricket at the County ground for sixty seasons and never see a Spitfire and then two come along in the same match. May it presage two five wicket hauls in the same match for Jack Leach.

The pilot would have seen an intense battle of wills and techniques being played out in slow motion on the green ovoid below. The pitch was slow, the scoring rate slower and the wickets even slower in a long gruelling morning of attrition more in the way of the First World war than the Second. Had it come later in the day it would have seen Lancashire’s hard resistance, led by Hameed and Livingstone being steadily entangled in a web of line, length, flight and slow turn spin ever more tightly drawn by Jack Leach and Dom Bess for the second time in the match.

Somerset’s gradual two-pronged spin envelopment of Lancashire’s concerted defensive operation was the story of the day. An overnight deluge delayed the start and cost the eight overs added for the delays of the previous day, the weather dropping a gentle hint that it was still in this match.

Overton and Groenewald started the day with some probing pace which served to show there was little in the pitch for them. Overton went past the edge, one from Groenewald must have sent shockwaves through the stumps, another from Overton whistled past the edge of a stiff-armed jab from Hameed who also just got a bat down on and a foot out of the way of a piercing yorker form Groenewald. Four slips watching proceedings in unrequited anticipation.

Scott of the Antarctic would have turned down a free seat in the top of the Somerset Pavilion or been blown off the top by the gale. The ground meanwhile was wallowing in the autumn sunshine as a shower skirted along the Quantocks. Jack Leach drifted one past Hameed’s off stump as if thwarted by a force field around the stumps. Lancashire’s intent was clear. 35 for 0 at 11.30. 6 runs in half an hour. Then Jack Leach, from the River End got one to spit through Davies who started prodding the pitch as if he was delivering it a reprimand for poor homework. A mangled late cut off Bess from Hameed was thwarted by the stumps force field and Leach got another through Davies. The message overall though was clear there was nothing of consequence in this pitch for the seamers and no more than gentle even turn for the spinners.

And so the morning settled down to Leach and Bess twirling away and Hameed and Davies prodding away. It was only broken by an occasional boundary as Bess dropped one short. As the end of the first hour approached Lancashire were 51 for 0, a quarter of the lead eaten away, and as the overs went by, looking in no trouble at all. Then, as at Bosworth, the third force in the game, the weather, took a hand. A brief squall sent the players off for ten minutes.

Davies came back and before he had settled on drove Leach powerfully just on the onside. Leach took a sharp return catch low to his diving right. 82 for 1. Davies (49) furious with himself. The weather could give Tantalus a lesson or two. It had just given Somerset a helping hand whilst all the time, the whole morning long, keeping those of us in the top of the Somerset Pavilion on tenterhooks as a succession of showers danced along the top of the Quantocks dimming the maroon fields as they went. And as if to make a point sent the players off again for an early lunch.

During the Lunch interval a throwback to an earlier age in County Cricket appeared. The remains of the previous day’s tombola set itself up next to the Caddick Pavilion near where you used to see Ken Palmer and Mervyn Kitchen deep in conversation as they watched their modern counterparts in the middle. Perhaps this is where the past comes to visit. It was not only the past that came to visit for several of the Lancashire team emerged to chance their arm in the tombola. Then a couple of them took a selfie with the tombola as a backdrop. Perhaps they had not seen its like before.

I have no idea how their luck ran but Somerset’s changed for with lunch the showers ended their shift and the rest of the day was passed mostly in sunshine. Hameed and Livingstone dug in and made the bowling look less and less challenging hard though they had to concentrate to do it for the bowlers quietly persevered. This would be one of Justin Langer’s arm wrestles, the pitch more of a spectator to it than a second in Somerset’s corner or so it looked from the couple of overs I watched from the Botham Stand.

I moved to the gap between the Botham and Trescothick Stands. It looked little better there until an edge off Leach barely looped at all and dropped short and wide of Trescothick at slip. Trescothick’s response was to field on his knees perhaps the better to reach the catch which does not carry. From the Garner Gates the stalemate continued. The gates seemed in anguish at what they saw. The wind was so powerful as it passed through them, the only thing that can for they are forever locked, it caused such a high speed vibration the gates wailed like banshees as if urging Somerset on.

On past the Brian Rose Gates to the old Stragglers area. Discussed the insistence of the Taunton pitch on flattening out on day 3 and passed on through Gimblett’s Hill. Nothing seemed to be working. I climbed the stairs back towards my perch and in the process of sitting down saw Hameed drive Leach straight to Abell at short cover. All that perambulating and I may as well have stayed put! We didn’t know it at the time but it was the beginning of a Lancashire slide. They went from 144 for 1 to 247 for 8 at the close. Croft started to undo all the benefits of the Davies, Hameed, Livingstone grind by trying to slog sweep Bes into the Somerset Stand only to feel ball to slam into his pad and see Billy Taylor’s finger go up. 151 for 3.

This brought Chanderpaul and Livingstone together. A brick wall of the type Maurice Tremlett used to talk about pushing over in a tough battle. Somerset would have to get through them if they were to make progress. The 80th over was bowled and the Somerset brains trust met. Abell, Trescothick, Overton, Leach and briefly Bess. The result one more over form Bess. In it he bowled Chanderpaul. Botham used to have a golden arm they said. Does Abell have a golden brain when it comes to captaincy? 171 for 4. Tea.

Abell did not persist with the spin after tea. He took the new ball and Overton shot out Vilas with the help of Davies. 189 for 5. I had not manged to regain my seat after Tea by then and saw that one from behind the covers store. It looked just as good. Back to the spin as Somerset started to have the feel of the Essex side that overpowered them At Chelmsford. Perhaps there was just a little more in the pitch for the spinners than earlier but things were starting to have the feeling of Lancashire’s will starting to wilt under the persistent pressure. Even McLaren did not seem to stand quite as tall in defiance as he had in the first innings. The same confidence was not quite there.

It was there for Somerset though. They seemed to be all over Lancashire. The fielding was electric. The sense of oneness as a team palpable. A good as I have seen Somerset in the field all season. And still Leach and Bess probed. Even Livingstone succumbed, 57 off 165 balls indicative of the Lancashire innings, although he gave the clearest of indications that he thought the catch which Davies took of Leach had not touched the bat. 215 for 6.

The evening sun gradually sank over the flats, the fervent hope of the Somerset support that it would take Lancashire’s final wickets with it. It took two of them. McLaren turned Leach helpfully straight into Trescothick’s hands at short leg. Parry pushed Bess to that other old Somerset stalwart, Hidreth, at silly mid-off. And I thought those were young men’s fielding positions. Perhaps they think they still are. They certainly reacted like young men to the catches.

And so we closed on 247 for 8. A lead of 45. As I type this the sun shines bright on the Blackdowns. May it do so on Somerset today.

Perhaps if the Spitfire returns it will have a glint on its wings. If it does I shall spare a thought for those, 77 years ago, who made it possible for me to watch Trescothic, Hildreth and all the others on this Battle of Britain Day.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 08:39
The complete absence of any mention at all of Davey is most odd. I wonder if there's any chance that his contract was already extended earlier this year when some of us were not paying any attention? Perhaps during the T20 window or something? That could explain why they're saying nada about him now.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 08:48
To be honest, FW, I think Steven Davies also gave a fairly clear indication that he, too, thought that Livingstone had not nicked the ball - by appealing to the square-leg umpire for a stumping.... and it must have been a stumping that he was appealing for, as the only reason one would appeal to the square-leg umpire for a catch would be in the event of a dispute about whether or not the ball had carried - in this case it obviously had done and no such dispute existed. I think it's pretty unlikely that Livingstone nicked it without SD's knowledge so this will probably go down as an umpiring howler.

Livingstone has certainly been hugely impressive against us this season. Leachy lured him down and got him cheaply in the first innings here but his other innings included this long rearguard here, a large score (out of a tiny team total), made quickly at Old Trafford and an unbeaten double-ton to overturn a significant first-innings deficit. These contrasting innings, in the face of what, by county standards, is certainly a probing and demanding bowling attack are the stuff of which a potential international player is surely made. Both of the "Ls," in this match should be on the plane to Australia but there is no guarantee that either will be and, sadly, I think I can all but guarantee that one of them won't be thanks to the idiocy that prevails at the ECB - an inept institution that would rather listen to the plaintive wailings of the ridiculous Alec Stewart.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 08:56
As for the follow-on?

It was, without question, the correct decision - as it invariably is.

I believe we, ourselves, have won precisely one match in our history after following on - thanks to the GREAT Rob Turner, at Derby. Yes, there are more successful counties than us, and I'm sure others have won more than once - but I wouldn't be shocked if the number of such triumphs is in single figures for EVERY county.

The ridiculous, Australian-led phobia of imposing the follow-on is absurd and blown out of all proportion - all because of one encounter with Messrs Dravid and Laxman. Folks should have the intelligence to realise that:

a) Dravid and Laxman were uncommon talents.

and

b) Indian conditions uncommonly obtain outside of the Indian sub-continent.

Yet, these days, I'd guess that the follow-on is eschewed around 50% of the time (a higher % when an Aussie is captain) - this despite the fact that - I would argue - most pitches these days (it's not only Taunton) tend to improve with time, rather than deteriorate.

Jack Leach nailed it, here, when he explained the decision in terms of the very real fear that this track would just get slower and slower as they so often do.

I also think that there is a risk of a negative psychological effect on a team's batsmen when a captain routinely declines to enforce the follow-on - "Even though we have the opposition batsmen on the mat here, we're so worried that if they manage to leave us a half-decent target, you lot will fall flat on your faces, that we're going to pass on the chance to finish them off here and now."

So - well done, Tom, for not succumbing to this illogical modern fad.



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Wickham (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 09:06
Today's live feed (from which I see that the covers are only at the wicket ends):
live feed

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
nelliec (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 09:11
Max signs a new contract-official sccc

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 09:12
What's the weather looking like in Taunton?
From here in West Sussex, the BBC Weather page says it looks good...

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 09:17
Folks – a measure, perhaps, of how far our bowling attack has come?

At some point, yesterday, Grockle posted to say “We’re not tying them down this morning, I’m afraid.’

I responded to say that Leachy was but that Dom wasn’t at his best and was bowling too many four balls – but I didn’t necessarily dispute the overall sentiment.

However, when one looks at the actual scorecard then, even at this point in time, Lancs were scoring at all of 2.3 runs per over!!!

That, surely, is a measure of how commendably disciplined we have become that, when an opponent was scoring at 2.3 per over it somehow seemed as though the shackles were off!!

Parsimony like that is the bedrock of a CC winning outfit.. the ability to turn up, week after week, and not give cheap runs away – to keep the “enemy,” under sustained fire.

The other half is the ability to dig in when conditions are tough – a quality all too seldom shown by any Somerset batting line-up over the years, let alone the present one. But we did manage to show it in our first innings here.

We’re not safe yet but, if we do stay up, then the mission of the winter must, must MUST be to try to inculcate that same discipline of attrition in our batting group and, if necessary, import some from outside who can provide genuine resolve and obduracy when required ( a la Dean Elgar, without whom the first half of this season would, surely, have seen the team entirely sunk).

Yes there are days when quick scoring is required or when a team needs to slice through an opponent with the ball in a jiffy. But the sides that win the CC are invariably those that have the capacity to “sit in,” when they have to (as our bowlers did yesterday and as Tom and SD did on the first day)... like a wild cat which needs to conserve its precious energy and so needs to know exactly when to go on the attack.



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
geordie moonraker (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 09:22
So what? 8 overs max to take 2 wickets. Then 3.5 an over for 15 overs. I'm about to go out giving thanks for mobile phones...a shout of triumph in Tesco's produce aisle may be forthcoming.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 09:24
So I guess somebody assumed that Mr Allenby was being shown the door as we were going to focus on red ball cricket. But, quite clearly, Waller has no red ball future... so, it seems, Mr Allenby that there were other considerations, in your case.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 09:27
It may well be even slower today, GM (the track), so it might take more than 8 overs, possibly quite a few more than that - perhaps even 20 or so. But, if the forecast is right and the track dead, then it's not likely to matter very much.

Of course, if the Lancs' weather forecast (the one they possess not the one for their county) shows no rain then they may just come out and throw the bat, in which case they may well last all of about ten balls. But if they set their mind to defence then even lower-order players (such as Parry who did so yesterday and clearly thought he had not nicked his one) can probably bat for some time on this.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 09:36
Thank you, Craig - not much dispute about that dismissal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Monkey Butler (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 09:36
Good old Cove.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 09:49
Well done, Parkinson.

Made a good impression with the ball.... and showing a well organised defence vs Cove, even dealing with the bumper from round the wicket.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
AGod (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 09:55
Thanks, Craig and well done, sir!!

I should like to see Eddie make a nice unbeaten score as we knock these off.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Wickham (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 09:56
Well bowled, Cove - that looked plumb.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 09:56
Great stuff.
Now lets just go about calmly knocking these off, with no scares along the way

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 09:56
Double post



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part Deux
Grockle (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 09:57
68.....lets go to part 3!!



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Somerset v Lancs Part 3
Grockle (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 09:58
For what is hopefully the 'epilogue' if this epic slog.



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
AGod (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 10:07
That's not a bad idea for the future - one thread per innings!

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 10:21
Poor bowling from Crane going to give Middx a batting point!

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
AGod (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 10:37
Crane is useless.

For me, I'd send Jack and Mo Ali Down Under, with Bess and Parkinson on the Lions trip.

And no, Batty doesn't need to be on either trip.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 10:45
For goodness sake - come on Somerset!

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
Grockle (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 10:46
Banger sweeps a rank full toss to Livingstone after putting one into the Somerset Stand just as the Chairman tweets that we should give this the old T20 treatment.

Then Hilda goes first ball pushing forward and caught in the gully.

46 for 3.... let's not make it easy boys.



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
brt1919 (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 10:48
And Abell calms the nerves with a well run 3 off his first ball. Phew

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
AGod (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 10:48
Jimmy Adams out already - awful news.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
Grockle (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 10:50
In case you've missed it. Max has signed a one year extension



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
Grockle (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 10:53
50 up as Abell sweeps with 5 men around the bat appealing every ball.

Well what else are they going to do?



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
AGod (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 10:53
Only one batting point for Middx, though. They have six points from this match so far (assuming they do not win it)

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
AGod (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 10:58
Still only about 28 needed for Hants to avoid the follow-on and only one down!!!!!!!

28 more and worst case scenario should be MIddx 9 points from the match vs our 22. I think we were 13 behind them, going into this one, so that would put the two sides dead level.

Let's hope Hameed and Livingstone are so determined to get on that flight Down Under that they are at their best vs Middx next week. Lancs look a pretty fair side to be honest so, if motivated, they ought to be able to give MIddx a good game. I wonder if Mick Hunt will serve up a shirt-front? We'll surely have to play on one at the Oval.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
Grockle (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 10:58
George smacks Parkinson into the Pavilion!! 3 to go



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
AGod (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 11:01
Good, all over - well done, boys!!!

Match Middx's result next week, then a repeat of this performance against them in the final match of the season, please!

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
Grockle (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 11:02
And Tom slog sweeps the winner square to the Somerset Stand and goes into Essex folklore!!

Parkinson took 3 for 37...... good job we didn't need 3 figures! Though MT's shot was daft and Hilda didn't look like he'd actually realised he was batting in a CC match to be honest.



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
brt1919 (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 11:03
Great for Bartlett to carry this one home - will be a good boost to be there winning the game.

Can't control what happens elsewhere, so what will be will be, the players did their bit this match.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 11:04
Great win, well done lads.
A high scoring rate at Uxbridge - are they trying to set something up?

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
AGod (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 11:07
So, as he's still very young and had plenty of bowling to do in the second dig here, I think I might consider giving Dom a breather for next week's trip to the Oval and re-introducing Roelof in his stead. I'd probably also look at bring Van Meekeren back into the team instead of Trego - if the track doesn't turn much early on we don't want Cove and TG bearing a fearsome first innings workload and I can't see Pete posing much threat on an Oval feather-bed (not that I'm suggesting PVM will run through them at all, but at least he has some extra height and pace).

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 11:08
Good day for twins at Taunton today.

Last two vital Lancs wickets for Craig O, and then the three Somerset wickets for leg-spinner Matthew Parkinson, whose twin, slow left-armer Callum took career-best 8-148 at Worcester yesterday.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
Grockle (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 11:13
A nice little bit of play by George near the end. Parkinson bowled to him and he hit him straight back over his head for six. This was not because he was trying to finish the game with panache but simply because it was a crud ball. He then played out the rest of the over with care and simply waited for his captain to hit the winner.

No messing about, bowl me rubbish and I'll put it in the bin for you!! Well played George Bartlett.



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
AGod (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 11:20
I cannot take the wickets that fell too seriously, though Eddie was genuinely done in the flight. Realistically, the game was all but over once they were dismissed - at no point did Lancs' body language suggest that they thought they really had a scintilla of a chance.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 11:21
Very professional all round, with just a little bit of pressure, against a half decent (Hameed, Livingstone & Parkinson) side...

Yesss to MM, Captain Tom - follow on good decision, Steven Davies, Jack first choice and ignoring any silly selections from here.

Makes it more special having no Elgar / Fakhar and a few absentees from injury. Good experience for Bartlett

Thanks to Lanky for electing to bowl and whoever provides the club with the weather forecast

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
Demon of Frome (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 11:22
Middx docked two points for slow over rate at the Oval so doesn't that put them only 11 points ahead before this round of matches?

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
AGod (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 11:23
Surely that had already been added to the table (or rather subtracted from their total)? Or not?

If not, even better news as would put us two ahead!

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
AGod (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 11:26
[www.bbc.co.uk]

Sadly, Demon, I think the answer was that the deduction had already been factored in:

[www.bbc.co.uk]

Middx are on pace for nine points from their game. Yorkshire either nine or ten (not sure), but I think they are going to get nine, too, which would see all three sides level on points with two games to go............but with Yorks having the key advantage of facing hapless Warks.........let's hope for a maiden ton from A J Hose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Correction, Yorkshire will get ten points so will be one ahead of us.



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 11:27
3 Hampshire - 11 3 2 6 22 27 0 127

4 Surrey - 11 1 1 9 37 26 0 124

5 Somerset - 12 3 5 4 21 34 0 123

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 11:29
I'll look at the table tonight, when today's games are done - no rush to get the calculations done just yet.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
AGod (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 11:31
It will be abundantly clear that the Brown Caps have zero to gain by risking a home defeat vs us next week. A high scoring draw vs us would suit them down to the ground... in that scenario they could only go down given an unlikely combination of three results:

1) Middx beat Lancs.

2) Somerset beat Middx

3) Surrey lose their final match. And they've only lost once all season (and won the same number)

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 11:36
I need three items of good news today - and have already had two of them.

a) Thoroughly accomplished win over Lancashire
b) Extension of Waller's contract
c) Waller's applointment as captain for limited overs cricket



LoL

Sixty-nine Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
AGod (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 11:38
Too early to tell, of course, but current indication for next week is for better weather in Leeds than London which would seem to further favour Yorkshire, if true.

If it's a normal Mick Hunt shirtfront then any time at all lost to the weather at Lord's might put paid to Middx's victory chances vs Lancs.

I put the odds of a result at the Oval like this (and that's without any stoppages!)

Draw 1/10

Somerset 9/1

Surrey 10/1

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
AGod (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 11:40
Personally, LoL, I think I'd consider giving the job to Roelof, assuming that he is staying. Unlike Max Waller, he is assured of his place in all white ball cricket - Max is no "slam dunk," to play all of the fifty over games.

Of course, Lewis Gregory might be in the frame.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 11:51
I hope Mick Newell enjoyed his visit to Taunton.


Presumably, he was there to look at Hameed and, perhaps, Leach. He should also have taken note of the performance of Livingstone and Parkinson (probably a better prospect than Crane) on one side and of Bess and Overton (one of county cricket's most reliable performers) on the other.



LoL

Sixty-nine Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 13:43
Just so long as he was there in his capacity as a selector, and not window shopping for Notts 😲

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
Old Boy! (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 14:07
I must admit that I thought we were doomed before this last series of matches. As long as
we survive now, it was obviously fiendishly clever of MM and co to make sure that Jack and Dominic did not do too much in the first half of the season, because if they had performed like they have in August and September we might have lost one or both to that dodgy England set-up. I'm still dreaming that Jos might return as purely a top four batter. Perhaps he could be offered the captaincy!

Old Boy!

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
Ronniesabre (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 14:23
When he would hardly be available ? Surely you want your captain to be around the place not in India and then on the ODI circuit

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 14:23
The latest bowling stats.

Both Craig & Jack on 42 wickets looks like 50 each within reach before the end of the season and then we have Dom on 32 wickets playing less matches, he could have been up there with them with the same number of matches. [stats.espncricinfo.com]

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 14:26
Terrific result to wake up to.

Well done SCCC on a hugey impressive & professional performance.

Let's keep the momentum going into next week & then likely the biggest game for quite a few seasons the week after.

Grizzzly

 
Somerset v Lancs Part 3
Following on (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 14:28
Fantastic result!
There is much talk in professional sport of momentum, if there is such a thing we must have bucket loads after the last two games.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 14:56
I see that Hampshire didn't do us any favours by capitulating miserably in their first innings!

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
AGod (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 14:58
They got more than I thought they would, given the line-up that they picked. If they have to pick the same line-up for the final two matches, and don't get saved by rain-ruined draws, then it may well be them, rather than us, Middx or Yorks, that join Warks for some exciting Div 2 cricket.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 15:14
Quote:
AGod
They got more than I thought they would, given the line-up that they picked. If they have to pick the same line-up for the final two matches, and don't get saved by rain-ruined draws, then it may well be them, rather than us, Middx or Yorks, that join Warks for some exciting Div 2 cricket.

Interesting - I hadn't considered they might still get sucked in.
Their next game is at home v Essex, so as long as Essex aren't already on holiday, Hampshire could easily lose that one.
Their last game is at Edgbaston, so that hinges on what sort of mood Warks are in, if players are up for it/playing for contracts etc.
Of course the weather this late in September could have a huge bearing - ridiculous scheduling really.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
AGod (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 15:17
If they have to pick that line-up for the final two games, and the rain doesn't save them, then they could easily tally only six points from their final two games...

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
mikeindex (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 15:35
Curiously, though, it was the established batsmen (Adams, Alsop and Ervine) who failed badly, while the new names performed without great distinction but rather more respectably.
Middx' rate of progress in the second innings suggests they are not preparing to set a cheeky target.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
15/09/2017 15:47
Hants will have George Bailey back from Pakistan for their last two. Will make their XI suddenly look a lot deeper.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 16:02
Is anyone prepared to stick their neck out and say the Surrey game will not end in a draw?

As positive as I can be today, there doesn't seem to be any other outcome whether we bat first or not. In fact we may as well play a Bonus Points XI with some from the seconds and rest a few players for the cider decider

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
Rod1883 (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 16:07
Quote:
Somerset LaLaLa
Is anyone prepared to stick their neck out and say the Surrey game will not end in a draw?
As positive as I can be today, there doesn't seem to be any other outcome whether we bat first or not. In fact we may as well play a Bonus Points XI with some from the seconds and rest a few players for the cider decider

If it's possible to pick a side to achieve a high/max scoring draw at Surrey, and even if that's all we get v Middx as well, then that could be enough if Hampshire are as poor again (twice) as they were today.



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 16:27
If we were to select a bonus points XI, and Hampshire ended the season 7th in the table, I wouldn't put it past Bransgrove to convince the ECB we had put the game into disrepute and we should be automatically relegated, thus reprieving Hants.

What is a bonus points XI anyway? One whose batting is good enough to reach 400 runs inside 110 overs, whilst still having a bowling attack fiendish enough to get 9 wickets in 110 overs. All in the first innings, whoever wins the toss. Sounds like we should've been playing this "bonus point XI" all season to me!

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
Angell Face (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 16:49
Thoroughly professional performance with the ball yesterday when Lancashire were clearly just intent on occupying the crease. Craig's 2 wickets this morning were no more than he deserved having bowled with great accuracy throughout the match. And when we batted again it seemed clear to those of us at the ground that they were going to get the runs as quickly as possible to avoid any chance of rain spoiling the party, so no one should be too fussed about us losing 3 wickets.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
Streeter (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 17:19
Just as a little side feed into the (no doubt) rising speculations, it appears to me ( please correct me if I'm wrong ) only Essex are safe from possible relegation . Any fears of Lancs not being motivated against Middlesex next week should be unfounded.Pesonally I wouldn't be surprised if Warks turned up against Yorks as relaxed newly relegated football teams sometimes do. Meanwhile ,back in the realer world , how delightful that the co-conspirators from last seasons distasteful denouement should be in danger of suffering the drop. (No resentment there !)

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
wsm fan (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 17:37
Fan blooming tastic!
No better way to start the weekend than with a 4 day win!
Proper team performance.
Craig has really stepped up in the absence of Jamie & Lewis, true leader of our attack now.
Jack and Dom quite superb, perfectly complement each other.
Im biased unashamedly, but if we assume 5 seamers in ashes squad will be jimmy broad woakes TRJ then Craig really needs discussing alongside Wood Ball Finn as number 5. Lions guaranteed so will be on call in Oz anyway.....
Moeen a certainty & most likely Crane or Adil go as reserve but neither fit to even tie Jacks shoelaces!
What the chances Craig Jack Dom get a call up to ODI squad by next weekend to keep them out of the Middlesex match!? Strauss & Gus planning the press release as i type.....



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 17:51
Steve Davies in with a shout as reserve keeper? Sorry, I'm getting carried away now...

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 19:40
I always love your enthusiasm, wsm fan, and identify with it wholeheartedly.

I've heard both Leach and Bess speak and they certainly DO compliment each other. They also complement each other when bowling in tandem.

Incidentally, I also heard van Meekeren speak on the radio yesterday and he sounded a really decent man fully committed to Somerset. I would be happy to see him included in the next two matches.



LoL

Sixty-nine Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 19:57
I would ask a Surrey supporter who to select for a Bonus Points XI - they have 70 points so far this season.

Actually the numbers are quite revealing, 60% of their points are from batting. For the rest of the 1st Division counties it is around 45%, apart from hmmm Somerset on 38%. Interestingly Surrey's batting points are equally split between home and away games so not only from their benign pitch.

The 1st Innings average at the Oval this season is over 400 for both home and away sides, excluding Warwickshire's visit. Surrey don't score so many runs away and this is probably because of more grassy, result-orientated pitches elsewhere.

Hence Somerset should be looking to score at least 350 in their 1st Innings and picking more batters (not sloggers) ensuring they get the 4/5 batting bonus points. After both sides have done this, they will see whether to make a game of it but probably won't have much time left.

Surrey are clearly not that bothered about results. I guess a 4 day match means they will make more money from the London hospitality. The ECB wants to prepare players for Test cricket, having batsmen playing for long innings. Coaches need a decent finish in the table which Surrey have shown they can get from accumulating their bonus points.

I want cricket that goes several days in a really exciting contest, but am not really sure of a better points system. Surrey are boring but for once we must play them at their own game.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
cricketjerry-mouse (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 22:49
One thing to bear in mind after Uxbridge today is that Middlesex will have a much more experienced look to their side for the vital matches against Lancs at Lord`s and Somerset at Taunton.

Toby Roland-Jones will have returned from Test duty; Dawid Malan will be available for he is only selected for the 20/20 match against the West Indies tomorrow; Tim Murtagh and Paul Stirling will be back from Ireland duty; and leading run scorer Nick Gubbins had a run-out with the Seconds this week, after injury, and will also be available.

Not a bad quintet!

Yorkshire will be without their usual raft of England ODI players, but will have West Indies century-maker Keith Brathwaite in their ranks, plus Adam Lyth returning from injury.

Surrey will be missing Jason Roy and Tom Curran, both in the England ODI squad.

Hampshire, who may just be dragged into the relegation fight, will be without Liam Dawson, away with the ODI squad and injured captain James Vince, but will have George Bailey back from the World XI visit to Pakistan. The Ageas Bowl men will also find Alistair Cook strengthening the champions` line-up when they face Essex on Tuesday, as will Yorkshire the following week.

So who knows?

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
Scrumper (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 23:06
I'm sure MM has signed a gun No. 3 batsman for the last two games, so we'll be fine.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
Farmer White (IP Logged)
15/09/2017 23:07
DAY 4

Craig Overton stood just a little taller at the end of the Lancashire innings. The second match in succession in which he has taken wickets on a pitch favouring spinners. I was an over late to the ground. It was a good time to arrive. The first thing I saw was Jarvis’s off stump cartwheeling out of the ground propelled by a thunderbolt from Overton. I had not long sat down back at the top of the Somerset Pavilion when he speared one in at Bailey’s toes. Bailey could neither get his bat down nor his feet out of the way in time so lbw it was. It was like the days before they taught tail enders to bat a bit and in particular how to keep the pace bowler out. Somerset have a bowler who can bowl fast enough and straight enough on his day to shoot out a tail.

And so it was that Somerset needed 68 to win and not a rain cloud in sight, the sun in command and the maroon on the Quantocks standing proud in expectation although the paths in Taunton as I walked to the ground were wet enough for me to wonder if there would be a prompt start and the forecast spoke darkly of showers.

More than a modest number came to see if Somerset really could pull off their first home win of the season. It was a tensely quiet crowd as the Somerset innings started. The head told you the only possible result was a Somerset win but a bruising season left the heart needing just a bit of reassurance. Irrational but that is what the heart is. It was not just me. I received a text telling me that Somerset’s lowest ever score at Taunton was 48 in 1954.

After a couple of quiet overs during which Byrom turned McLaren square for two Somerset’s intent became clear. McLaren bowled a couple short and wide. Byrom cut them hard, one behind and one in front of square, to the boundary. Then Trescothick drove Jarvis to the boards in front of his stand and cut him like a rocket to wake up the ghosts of the old Stragglers bar. 19 for 0. That settled the nerves a bit and brought a cheer from the current inhabitants of that area.

Lancashire were not going to roll over without an effort. They brought their spinners into the attack early. Byrom responded by trying to hit Parkinson into the Somerset Pavilion, missed, and was bowled. That shot never looks pretty when that happens but the ball seemed to turn prodigiously. 19 for 1.

The intent now was very clear. Somerset did not mean to get bogged down or risk a freak shower with some forecasts suggesting rain later in the day. Bartlett arrived and looked confident as he took a single. Trescothick then took revenge for Byrom’s dismissal as he swept Parkinson viciously between two deep square legs stationed barely ten yards apart on the Somerset Stand boundary. They almost collided as the ball flew over the line. Trescothick rotated the strike to Bartlett who survived a huge appeal as his defence was beaten by the turn. And so ended Parkinson’s first over.

Parry’s first was accompanied by extended discussions among the Lancashire brains trust. Trescothick took a single and Bartlett found himself surrounded by three of the closest fielders you are likely to see. He quietly turned Parry through them for a single to the old Stragglers and it was Trescothick’s turn to face a huge appeal. Lancashire did not intend to go down quietly.

Parkinson started again from the Somerset Pavilion End and Bartlett lofted him over mid-on’s head for four. I could see the sun glinting on the shine off the ball as it flew towards me. The stroke was then eclipsed by a coruscating back foot drive to the Somerset Stand. One way and another the boards in front of the Somerset Stand were taking a pummelling. Before we knew it Bartlett was pulling Parry fine to Gimblett’s Hill for another four. He may be only 19 but this was controlled targeted hitting not the brash bravado of youth.

Trescothick, clearly on a mission, tried an ugly reverse sweep against Parkinson and probably concluded the stroke was no more than a work in progress for he then tried the slog sweep and the ball almost instantly rattled among the seats in the bottom of the Somerset Stand. Then he mishit a pull into mid-wicket’s hands. 46 for 2 in the ninth over, only two having been scored in the first two. Trescothick 21. Some may have thought Somerset’s assault reckless but it denied Parkinson the opportunity to exert any real pressure with the sharp turn he was getting from his slowly looping deliveries. Somerset did not mean to have an embarrassing hour or so of prodding at the turning ball risking the fall of more wickets than would be comfortable. Nor, I imagine did they mean to hang around long enough for the showers to return.

James Hildreth immediately edged to Hameed at slip which brought home the risk presented by a leg spinner on song. Tom Abell to the wicket. A different Tom Abell to the one we saw in the first half of the season. He walked out with a quiet calm looking naturally in command, and in control. The hat trick ball was a full toss and he drove it to where they store the covers, took 3 and retained the strike from where he settled nerves playing out a maiden from Parry. Bartlett, now more circumspect took a single boundary from Parkinson’s next over and a pair of singles were exchanged in Parry’s next.

13 were needed to which Parkinson contributed by bowling a no ball which Bartlett gently turned to fine leg for 2 and drove home the point by immediately lofting him into the lower ranks of the Somerset Pavilion for 6. Abell finished the match by sweeping Parry to the much-peppered Somerset Stand boundary and, by the end of the day, out of the relegation zone. Bartlett had 27 confident, purposeful well struck runs to his name. It should do his confidence a power of good. Somerset’s young batsmen are beginning to find their feet.

It had been an hour to savour at the end of a match to savour. No relegation favourites these. Somerset had completely outplayed in every department, possibly Parkinson apart, the second team in the Championship. Lancashire had tried their all to apply some pressure on the last morning but by dint of their no nonsense positive approach Somerset had swept it away, sometimes literally. All that was missing from the day was a victory roll appearance from the Spitfire but I imagine it was on more important duty given the day.

There are many convoluted calculations to come and doubtless a conspiracy theory or two along the way. But Somerset have two crushing victories behind them. The surest route to salvation is to concentrate on what is within their control. Namely to gather as many points as they can in their two remaining matches with a particular focus on outplaying Surrey, for if Somerset bowl as they did in the Lancashire second innings Surrey will not bat without pressure, and beating Middlesex. Let the rest do as they may. Let Somerset do as they know they can.



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
16/09/2017 07:15
Quote:
Farmer White
No relegation favourites these.

The Farmer has spoken...

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
16/09/2017 07:23
We are three from the bottom, I would like to see us improve on that in the next match.

It is not impossible looking at the points table if we can win next week.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
wsm fan (IP Logged)
16/09/2017 07:34
It is a 5 way shootout for 1 space.
Hamps & Surrey have a headstart but if neither win this week which there is every chance will be the case then all 5 will go into the last round in danger most likely.

Whilst i'd much prefer to be safe already the 8 team division & 2 down certainly seems to take out the dead september games issue.....

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
Tom Seymour (IP Logged)
16/09/2017 09:19
It was a fine win yesterday, of that there is no doubt.

But I still think we have left it too late to show some form. We won't get much from the Surrey match and too much may be required of us v Middlesex at Taunton.

They say that hope springs eternal but a combination of a Middlesex side fighting as hard as we should be and the weather probably being dodgy, leads me to think that we won't avoid the drop.

That's what my crystal ball foretells. We stay up or we go down, someone has to be right and someone has to be wrong.

(Sm43)



A glass half - empty or a glass half - full?
Regardless, both glasses need filling up.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
Grockle (IP Logged)
16/09/2017 09:23
But is the emoticon crying because Somerset stay up or you might be wrong Tom..... i leave it to the jury of peers.

One thing or the other will happen before the end of the month.



(Sm72)

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
16/09/2017 09:33
Note to Trevor Bayliss, these 2 have been tried and tested:

[www.somersetcountygazette.co.uk]

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
wsm fan (IP Logged)
16/09/2017 11:27
Tom your positivity as normal shows no bounds!
We have won 2 matches convincingly back to back.
We have momentum.
Jack Craig & Dom are on fire.
We now have confidence and even a few batters in form.
I'm not over confident as our current results have only bought us back into the mix.
But i have huge belief we will get a draw & win from next 2 matches.
Hamps &Yorks i feel are 2 who will be most nervy as nobody realistically talking of them.
Yorks have been in awful form for months.
No Willey Plunkett Rashid for the run in.
They are expected to smash Warwicks next week but they arent used to winning. A bit of fight & pride from Warwicks and last round could very easily see 4 or even 5 sides in contention for that 1 spot.
We arw now on the up where as others nervy & anxious, what a huge 12 days we have coming up......

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
AGod (IP Logged)
16/09/2017 12:31
The Surrey game will be a waste of time, SCCC la la la.

What's the point of a match where the result is known in advance!? That's not what sport is supposed to be about!

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
AGod (IP Logged)
16/09/2017 12:52
Quite right, WSM - terrific performance and result. Most counties would not have sat in as we did during the f/o - they'd have panicked and brought on occasional bowlers, had their regular bowlers try stupid, funky things etc

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
16/09/2017 14:19
Fortunately in this division, all teams play eachother twice and at least we're not now in a position of having to beat Surrey.

Somerset's batting will be absorbing to see how they muster a decent score which is paramount. And when Surrey bat, I will pretend they are the Aussies and enjoy our excellent bowlers against enduring mediocrity.

Looking back at Surrey's home results yesterday evening, I realised that the Essex victory was at Guildford. That's some challenge for Somerset to be the first Championship team to win at the Oval this season, even if we had an overseas player.

More than happy to be proved wrong but is it worth the risk of missing out on the 5 points for the draw?

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
AGod (IP Logged)
16/09/2017 15:01
No.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
Roger ivanhoe (IP Logged)
16/09/2017 17:16
Quote:
Agod
The Surrey game will be a waste of time, SCCC la la la.
What's the point of a match where the result is known in advance!? That's not what sport is supposed to be about!


But are you not the one that forecasts results in advance.!!!

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
AGod (IP Logged)
16/09/2017 18:01
Yes but a forecast is just that, Roger.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
wsm fan (IP Logged)
16/09/2017 18:56
With 4 full days we are capable of causing trouble.
Craig Jack & Dom are in top form.
Who says that with a fair wind & bit of skill & effort we cant make something happen.
Pressure is a funny thing.
Playing for a draw too from day 1 ball 1 isnt a good idea either.
Despite AG having decreed it a draw 6 days in advance i'll still follow the game just incase i think.....



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Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
AGod (IP Logged)
16/09/2017 19:37
The best we'll be able to do will be like the game three years ago - when both sides seemed to be in a potential match-winning position at tea, but the pitch thwarted our ambitions and Surrey didn't even try to win.... and the only reason that there was a shot at a result that time was a hugely overcast day under the floddmights on which Meaker swung it around corners. Otherwise our second innings would have put the game completely out of Surrey's reach and they would have not attempted to win from the start of their innings, rather than just quitting at tea.

It's almost always flat and Surrey have zero incentive to do anything other than prepare a mill-pond, I'm afraid. So the only hope would be incessant low cloud throughout - that's the only way that something could happen..

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
wsm fan (IP Logged)
16/09/2017 19:55
We may as well not bother going then!

I do get the point. We expect it to be flat.
But pressure does funny things. Get a score, take a few early wickets and who knows.
I agree from 3 days out a draw probably favourite but 384 overs is a lot of time for something unexpected to happen.....

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
sandhills (IP Logged)
16/09/2017 20:19
AGOD please write yourself a note not to reply to any ECB or Surrey job advert to market the 4 day game.
I do hope our players go out and try and look for a win. You never know!

Also well done to all the team this week especially Mr Davies and the Capt. The bowlers were awesome and have been all season. Congrats to the coaching team . I think that's 3 wins 1 draw and 1 loss in the last 5.

I also want to wish the team Good luck this coming week, apparently we have already drawn at the Oval so with that luck it won't take much to turn it into 16pts.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
AGod (IP Logged)
17/09/2017 08:29
I think the other thing, WSM is this:

On the rare occasion when the pitch doesn't provide for an unequal struggle between bat and ball, that's generally because it rags square! For obvious reasons Surrey are likely to do their utmost to avoid such an eventuality vs Leachy and Dom!

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
wsm fan (IP Logged)
17/09/2017 09:03
They can try all they like but we will have 11 players turning up who will be trying to win.
Batters make mistakes.
Pressure has an effect.
It may well end up a 500 a side draw.
But we will give it a big go im sure.
Jack especially doesnt just need the pitch to get wickets. He is clever and patient and with 400 on the board he has time too.
Weather appears well set so lets see how we go maybe.
Even on a road are we confident our batters can bat for 4/5 sessions!?
The last 8 days of our season will produce plenty of drama i have no doubt.....

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
17/09/2017 09:30
wsm fan. thumbs down

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
AGod (IP Logged)
17/09/2017 11:18
I take the point that we cannot, necessarily, be confident that our guys will bat for four/five sessions. I think it's more probable that they'll only bat three or so but that they will probably score pretty quickly so would still arrive at a fair total.

I don't necessarily think it will be 600 per side and then shake hands, more like 400 and 350 vs 400 and not enough time to get the runs or wickets.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
Bagpuss (IP Logged)
18/09/2017 09:48
I await the match thread "Kennington is Killing Cricket" with bated breath.

 
Re: Somerset v Lancs Part 3
AGod (IP Logged)
18/09/2017 10:40
Such a post would be positively posthumous.

I suppose, to be fair, Surrey's results away from home also suggest that they have simply been very much stronger in batting than in bowling. But, still..

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