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Royal London - a competition too far or THE 3rd Format?


By Grockle et al
June 4 2018

As we reach the end of the group stage of the 50 over competition with the semis coming hot foot on the last game and the final squeezed into the actual season rather than being an event at the end of it one has to ask "wither the 50 over?"

Somerset have not exactly lit the 50 over competition alight so far this year.  After showing pretty good form in the first two games against Surrey and Glamorgan, we were very far behind the pace against Kent (what is new?), Sussex  and Essex before scraping one point against the Bristolians earlier this week to keep hopes alive (we were nowhere near Gloucestershire to be fair and were saved by the rain) of a knock out place if we beat Hampshire at their place on wednesday.

Many are discussing whether we have to bother about this one because it is the competition that seems to be going by the wayside.  With hardly any up front advertising, squashed into one window in the season and with the semis seemingly decided by the broadcasting schedule of SKY or whoever rather than the sense of a cricket season.  If we get through the stages then the Final is at Notts er sometime in June or July - not sure actually.  So much for the once honoured one day final - the FA Cup equivalent fixture fr cricket with a chance to play at Lord's - have they got a concert on or something?

England are quite good at 50 over cricket but no one seems to like it.  I have a soft spot for it because it is a game that can start badly for a side but one where it is possible to get back the initiative if you play the game well.  Bowlers can come back, a batting side had a little more time to restrucutre if someting goes wrong.  However the ECB seems to have no time for it and I seem to recollect that when the changes in 2020 were first put forward, 50 over was not even a format!!

Noises coming from the centre suggests the one day limited over competition is on borrowed time and will probably not exist in a meaningful way after 2020.  If that is the case it will certainly decrease the amount of crickt played.  It may provide space for CC games to be moved nearer to the summer that they used to be played in.  Will it improve the image of T20?  Well it would remove one of it's competitors and create only one form of white ball cricket.  It would also make the gap between the 3 hour and four day forms of the game much much wider.  it could even produce a window in the schedule for a SECOND T20 tournament!!

The longer white ball format does not seem popular elsewhere in the world of cricket where getting people to a five day Test is an almost insurmountable problem already.  It does however provide a decent amount of revenue for counties, especially those without Test venues and where the audience is more local in its makeup.  If some counties are going to lose their T20 revenues because they are not an urban favourite and are uncertain about their ability to attract crowds to Championship matches then the 50 over games offer a chance to generate cash.  A home quarter or semi final can be a life saver and a run in a tounament of any kind can help the faithful 'keep the faith'.

Within the next few days, this yeaar's crop of hooepfuls will be looking at the tables and trying to work out if their county are through or that is it for this year.  Even if a county gets to the next stage it is all a bit 'flash and gone',  Confirmation Wednesday, quarter the middle of next week, semi that weekend and the final at the end of the month.  Wham Bam Thank you ECB.  And what do the others do who do not qualify?  Well they seem to stand around twiddling their fingers while the rest of the competition sorts itself out.

It is all mighty strange.

 

 

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Royal London - a competition too far or THE 3rd Format?
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04/06/2018 14:40
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2018:06:08:22:51:18 by Grockle.

 
Shepton Paul 2
Re: Royal London - a competition too far or THE 3rd Format?
Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
05/06/2018 14:31
I've long said the 50-over tournament is my favourite format to watch, in that:

- you get 100 overs of cricket for your gate money (important if, like me, you have to travel a long way to see any live cricket);
- that's long enough for some ebb and flow, for teams' fortunes to change through the day;
- it's pretty close to proper cricket, rather than just a question of whether my big-money 'stars' can hit more 'sixers' or 'maximums' than yours, and there's a proper role for bowlers.

ECB, please keep, and boost, the 50-over cup.

 
cricketharris
Re: Royal London - a competition too far or THE 3rd Format?
cricketharris (IP Logged)
05/06/2018 16:12
The final is at Lord’s on 30th June, isn’t it?

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Royal London - a competition too far or THE 3rd Format?
Grockle (IP Logged)
05/06/2018 19:32
I thought it was at Trent Bridge.... that was the original plan but they may have moved it under pressure. If they have that is very good news.



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Grizzzly
Re: Royal London - a competition too far or THE 3rd Format?
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
05/06/2018 19:36
This is the final year at Lord's, then to TB.

Would be nice to see us win the competition, but we'll have to up our game !

As for the longer term plans, can't help feeling that Budgie hit the nail on the head on the main site the other day.

What was wrong with a season long, one day competition played on Sundays ?

Grizzzly

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Royal London - a competition too far or THE 3rd Format?
Grockle (IP Logged)
05/06/2018 19:43
Ahh. OK. Then this is probably the year to get there then because it certainly will be a step down to work hard and not even get your day at the home of cricket.



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Somerset LaLaLa
Re: Royal London - a competition too far or THE 3rd Format?
Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
05/06/2018 22:04
For what it's worth, I used to rate the 40 over JPL as a bit of a knock around where anything could happen (albeit a league playing everyone), the 55 over B&H more serious with a great group stage at the start of the season and the 60 over Gillette/NatWest Cup as the real deal giving innings of sufficient length for the best team to shine

 
Hants01
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Hants01 (IP Logged)
05/06/2018 22:18
The only thing wrong with this competition is the absurd scheduling of it. In each of the two Bank Holiday weekends in May the counties ought to play twice, once home and once away. What do we have? No cricket on at least one of the Bank Holiday Mondays. The excellent Edward Bevan tweeted that the crowds were good at the weekend at Swansea, Beckenham and Eastbourne. Excellent and it's an opportunity to take cricket to outgrounds.

Wasim Khan looking into the structuring of the game is a fan of bring in the Minor Counties. I would rather cut back T20 and have an FA Cup style knock-out: we used to have three one day competitions.

Next year will be the World Cup, based on 50 overs, I assume. So shouldn't we be basing our game on international needs?

I wouldn't mind mixing up the two groups in an open draw as we used to do. But the one change I would make would be to have the competition known as the Weekend Cup- with, as I say, four of the games played over those two Bank Holiday May weekends.

Since I have no confidence in the ECB, I expect this competition to be massacred or abolished.

 
Phrench Phil
Re: Royal London - a competition too far or THE 3rd Format?
Phrench Phil (IP Logged)
05/06/2018 22:49
Well said Shepton Paul and Somerset LaLaLa.
One of the best, riveting and most exciting matches I have ever watched was the Brian Rose, young Botham and Dashing Denning victory over Surrey (Geoff Arnold and Robin Jackman) back in the 1970s Gillette Cup.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Royal London - a competition too far or THE 3rd Format?
Grockle (IP Logged)
06/06/2018 00:57
As the World Cup itself is not fit for purpose I doubt anything positive is going to come out of it but more money for the main nations and some self satisfied slaps on the back at the end if it for a job well done keeping it all in the cricketing family.



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Grizzzly
Re: Royal London - a competition too far or THE 3rd Format?
Grizzzly (IP Logged)
08/06/2018 09:34
Based on this fixture list, it seems the ECB have decided Kent & Essex are to be knocked out next week !

[www.ecb.co.uk]

Grizzzly



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2018:06:08:09:35:46 by Grizzzly.

 
Shepton Paul 2
Re: Royal London - a competition too far or THE 3rd Format?
Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
08/06/2018 09:39
Northern bias 😉

 
hantssabre
Re: Royal London - a competition too far or THE 3rd Format?
hantssabre (IP Logged)
08/06/2018 10:49
Very interesting Grizzly! Only the ECB could do that. Hampshire have ended up with the duff day as it clashes with England’s opening match in the football World Cup,

 
Loyal of Lhasa
Re: Royal London - a competition too far or THE 3rd Format?
Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
08/06/2018 12:17
I am probably be a bit feeble but I have not succeeded in finding the current averages on the official site. I'd be particularly interested to see the figures for Hildreth and Trego, both of whom have done very well in this year's RLODC.

Information of this kind iught to be readily accessible on the SCCC site - and if it isn't why isn't it?



LoL

Seventy Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Mike BOS
Re: Royal London - a competition too far or THE 3rd Format?
Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
08/06/2018 13:20
James Hildreth is at five, PT further down the list. [stats.espncricinfo.com]

 
cricketharris
Re: Royal London - a competition too far or THE 3rd Format?
cricketharris (IP Logged)
08/06/2018 13:45
More to the point , Grizzley, why have the ECB omitted to name Yorkshire and Notts. in the final. Yorkshire to win, of course. Competition over then for another year. Well done the Yorkies.

 
chunkyinargyll
Re: Royal London - a competition too far or THE 3rd Format?
chunkyinargyll (IP Logged)
08/06/2018 14:04
Loyal-

Somerset Royal London averages-

[www.bbc.co.uk]

and if you scroll down you will get the championship averages too.

 
Loyal of Lhasa
Re: Royal London - a competition too far or THE 3rd Format?
Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
08/06/2018 16:16
Many thanks, [b][/b]Chunky.

Very impressive figures for Hildreth in both formats.

One wonders why these stats do not, as far as I can tell, appear on the SCCC site. I find them slightly more interesting than the appointment of a new member of the catering staff.



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Seventy Seasons a Somerset Supporter

 
Bobstan
Re: Royal London - a competition too far or THE 3rd Format?
Bobstan (IP Logged)
08/06/2018 16:38
How dare you, Fickle of Lhasa. Nothing can be more important than the catering. Far more significant than a few numbers.

 
Loyal of Lhasa
Re: Royal London - a competition too far or THE 3rd Format?
Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
08/06/2018 16:49
Clearly this site caters for all sorts of people, however extremist their views. This, it seems, I have failed tor recognise...

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