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Re: 2 homes wins for top spot starting with Hamps
AGod 06 May, 2019 10:00
Bagpuss - there was a season where I saw Jack bowl in a few 50 over games (can’t swear they weren’t 40). But I think they may have been as long ago as 2014. I saw Jack bowl very well at Lord’s and I think that was a game in which Peter and Colin Ingram racked up tons in an easy win, batting second. That would date the game to 2014, as Mr Maynard disposed of Mr Ingram when the Welshman joined in 2015. I think George D May have been away with Ireland, or perhaps already out of favour and Abdur R had yet to arrive (arrived towards the end of that season).

Re: 2 homes wins for top spot starting with Hamps
AGod 06 May, 2019 10:11
Here is said game. It was only Peter that made a ton. Whilst I remember thinking that Jack bowled well his figures were, admittedly, nothing to write home about, albeit identical to those of Ollie Rayner.

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Re: 2 homes wins for top spot starting with Hamps
AGod 06 May, 2019 10:15
Here, in the same year, we see Leachy alone, on the bridge, in the face of an onslaught from Kent.... 3-53 from 10 in the context of a total of 387 from 50? Good enough for me!

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Re: 2 homes wins for top spot starting with Hamps
AGod 06 May, 2019 10:32
Same year, same comp, sound figures for Leachy vs Trott and Warks

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Re: 2 homes wins for top spot starting with Hamps
AGod 06 May, 2019 10:39
Same year, same comp. Exemplary figures from the great man, as the other SCCC bowlers got launched Vs Sussex:

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Re: 2 homes wins for top spot starting with Hamps
AGod 06 May, 2019 10:41
Solid figures, in the context of the Surrey total (and once again better than most of our other bowlers)

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Re: 2 homes wins for top spot starting with Hamps
Somerset LaLaLa 06 May, 2019 10:47
Hopefully Jack will play against Surrey, but that will be next week.

In the meantime, and recovering some optimism, where is the game on Friday?

As I understand it South 3 is away to North 2 ??? Notts, Worcs and Durham all playing now, I'm sure the guys won't fancy a long trip and we would surely need to rest some. The next game for the victors on Sunday - crazy

Re: 2 homes wins for top spot starting with Hamps
Railboy 06 May, 2019 10:54
Just to throw another name into the frame, what more has Ben Green got to do to get considered? He showed enough promise last year, particularly as a batter and his bowling for the 2’s this year has been exemplary, significantly outbowling both Jack and Jove (statistically at least)

Re: 2 homes wins for top spot starting with Hamps
AGod 06 May, 2019 11:04
10 overs, 2 for 16 vs Essex when other bowlers, on both sides, were plagued by wides should have got the selector’s attention. Unfortunately, he’s been short of runs and, in common with one of our other posters, I think that batting prowess may, sadly, be governing our bowling selections.

Re: 2 homes wins for top spot starting with Hamps
wsm fan 06 May, 2019 12:19
Green 5 0 29 0 so far today.

Leachy 8 0 38 1

Sussex 172-3 from 35 currently.

Re: 2 homes wins for top spot starting with Hamps
AGod 06 May, 2019 13:32
Where did you get the scores from, please, WSM?

Re: 2 homes wins for top spot starting with Hamps
wsm fan 06 May, 2019 13:46
Sussex 280ao off 50 overs.

Brooks 4-60
Gilchrist 1-56
Leack 1-43
Green 0-41 (off 7)
Sale 2-56 (off 9)

Re: 2 homes wins for top spot starting with Hamps
AGod 06 May, 2019 13:55
What a lop-sided series Somerset Vs Surrey has been, with Surrey winning only 18 of the 58 games played to a conclusion.

Re: 2 homes wins for top spot starting with Hamps
mikeindex 06 May, 2019 14:16
What a lot of posts in the last 18 hours or so - I feel quite out of date commenting on stuff from two pages back, but still:

Yesterday was a horribly disappointing performance, undoubtedly, such as all teams but the greatest have occasionally - and yes, the one before it was almost as bad. That said, six wins in a row in two different competitions can hardly be regarded as one big fluke unless you are really determined to look on the dark side; incidentally, I can't find the post where, according to Tom, a previous poster described our players as "disinterested" - or even uninterested, which is what he presumably meant (they are not synonyms).

But practically all the batsmen did get a good start and then get out to bad shots - not well-chosen-but-poorly-executed, simply bad. I don't think the bowlers bear much of the blame in the circumstances.

I'm not at all sure what changes would be best made, though I am quite sure one or two are needed. I would like to see Dom in the side; I also see the arguments for bringing in Jack L (Jason Kerr's comments, assuming the Gazette reported them accurately - in my experience of the Gazette they did well to spell his name right, they don't after all know which of 'practice' and 'practise' is the verb - strike me as either circular or simply nonsensical).

All the batsmen have had good days and bad ones so it seems to harsh to drop any of them - but team selection shouldn't be about being "fair" to individuals but about picking the best side. I think I would, reluctantly, give Tom B a rest - or maybe move him down the order, but if the former I would not open with Steve D either, which leaves the question, who opens? I definitely want two spinners, and would be tempted to play both our England spinners and leave out, again with great reluctance, Roley - but is Roley something of a talisman against Surrey? And does the second spinner replace a batsman or a seamer?

On the whole, I'm quite glad it's not up to me. But my team, if I absolutely had to be the one making the final decision: Azhar, Trego, Bartlett, Hildreth, *Abell, +Davies, Gregory, Overton, Bess, Overton, Leach, Brooks.

Re: 2 homes wins for top spot starting with Hamps
AGod 06 May, 2019 14:25
It would make zero sense to suggest the CC wins were flukes.

In this 50 over stuff, one could fairly say that we were fortunate to encounter an injury/unavailability ravaged Kent side. And that the Glamorgan game could have gone either way. It’s probably fair to say that we are a fairly average 50 over side and, as such, we could just as easily have had a W, L, W, L type pattern rather than all wins at the start and all losses since. If we don’t qualify, though, it will feel as though we’ve snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

Re: 2 homes wins for top spot starting with Hamps
Grockle 06 May, 2019 15:24
What would Dom be in the side as?

A wicket taking white ball spinner? He has yet to show that as a skill in the last few months.

A useful backend bat who can add quick runs while keeping their run rate down? Not sure about his credibility in that aspect either on recent evidence.

If we want a spinner to have a larger influence it has to be Jack. We have to measure the benefit of more wickets against a slightly less confident batting line-up.

As far as the batting is concerned, who is saying 'pick me' in the seconds and who is saying 'I'm not in form' in the firsts? Swop em around by all means but do it because it is hopefully better and not to just change something for the sake of it.



(Sm72)



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Re: 2 homes wins for top spot starting with Hamps
Scrumper 06 May, 2019 18:43
Same squad announced minus Brooks.

Surrey have Foakes back, squad is...

Rory Burns, Gareth Batty (Sm110), Jordan Clark, Dean Elgar, Ben Foakes, Will Jacks, Conor McKerr, Stuart Meaker, Morne Morkel, Ryan Patel, Jamie Smith, Mark Stoneman, Freddie van den Bergh.

Roy, Tom Curran and Plunkett are with England.

Weather forecast shows a chance of rain around 8pm.

Re: 2 homes wins for top spot starting with Hamps
AGod 06 May, 2019 19:03
It will be so pleasant to see Gareth again.

Re: 2 homes wins for top spot starting with Hamps
Somerset LaLaLa 06 May, 2019 19:10
My quandary is, if we ever get to Lords, that side is simply not good enough to beat any of the top teams So do we make changes then and drop those that got us there? Of course not, we therefore need to be bolder now. The fact we have the same squad is a statement from the club for me that we won't get to Lords

Re: 2 homes wins for top spot starting with Hamps
Grizzers 06 May, 2019 20:05
Mikeindex - I have to confess (5 May 14.27) to describing our top six as looking disinterested. Perhaps harsh, but there was simply no energy, no focus and desperately little common sense. Hants. batted the way we should have.

It’s another day tomorrow. Simply hope we rediscover the zest that we exhibited in spades against Kent and Essex in particular.

Come on lads. Show everyone what you are capable of.

Grizzzly

Re: 2 homes wins for top spot starting with Hamps
Cleavo 06 May, 2019 21:06
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Somerset LaLaLa
My quandary is, if we ever get to Lords, that side is simply not good enough to beat any of the top teams So do we make changes then and drop those that got us there? Of course not, we therefore need to be bolder now. The fact we have the same squad is a statement from the club for me that we won't get to Lords

Completely agree with you LaLaLa. Hampshire and Notts are the two outstanding teams with Worcestershire not far behind. The most consistent teams in the competition. All seem to have all bases covered.

Let’s just get the job done tomorrow as anything can happen in knockout stages, but we certainly need to raise our game in every department.

We’ll only have ourselves to blame if we fail to qualify having won first 4 matches and being stubborn with our team selection.

Re: 2 homes wins for top spot starting with Hamps
AGod 06 May, 2019 21:32
MikeIndex - As you know, dictionaries shift with usage. Although I personally never use 'disinterested,' to mean not being interested in something, as distinct from having a stake in it, if you look in the majority of modern dictionaries, you will find that, these days, disinterested is held to mean either lacking interest, or not having a personal stake in an outcome. Most come with a note about disputed usage but, nevertheless, there it is - for example:

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As to our batting display, my reading of it was that they thought the track was such a belter (and I think they were right) that they thought they'd need a huge total and so judgement of which ball to take on and with which shot, pretty much went out of the window.

Re: 2 homes wins for top spot starting with Hamps
sandhills 06 May, 2019 21:37
Cleavo would u agree the batting is the issue?

Re: 2 homes wins for top spot starting with Hamps
sandhills 06 May, 2019 21:47
lalala, and how would you be bold, again which batter are you changing and for whom?
If you say Jack or jack then just check out our scores in the last 7 matches at 25 overs.

Re: 2 homes wins for top spot starting with Hamps
wsm fan 06 May, 2019 22:00
Lalala how ridiculous to suggest the club have decided we wont get to Lords.

The over hyping of defeats is just baffling.

On our day we can beat anyone.

We played very well for 4 matches.
We have then played pretty badly for 3 matches.

If we make the knockout stages of course we have a chance.

I'll be there tomorrow right behind the boys.
It's very easy to come on here behind a keyboard and laud our victories but then a few days later tear a defeat apart.



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Re: 2 homes wins for top spot starting with Hamps
Somerset LaLaLa 06 May, 2019 23:40
The rigidity of our team selection during the competition means it’s now very difficult to make any wholesale changes that are needed if we are to score 320+ against greater opposition in the knockout stages.

Specifically, I would now consider dropping Banton for Byrom and including Leach so ‘chance’ has less of a say.

The group surrounding me on Sunday called it rubbish. No over hyping there, however what I would consider baffling is the reason for many of our poor dismissals in the competition? No more reverse sweeps please, Azhar Ali.

I agree this is getting like Sir Alan’s boardroom, but the batting averages don’t lie. At least we should improve them against Surrey

Re: 2 homes wins for top spot starting with Hamps
sandhills 07 May, 2019 01:16
Lalala If jack L plays which batter do u drop, or are u losing a seamer so we go with 3 seam and 2 spin? U didnt say in your post?

Be careful if you go a batter, given how fragile 1 to 5 have been, as that will push cove to 7 and Lewis to 6, with number 6 often batting before 25 overs are up.



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Re: 2 homes wins for top spot starting with Hamps
Cleavo 07 May, 2019 07:11
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sandhills
Cleavo would u agree the batting is the issue?

Sandhills, in answer to your question I do and the nature of the dismissals from Sunday were disappointing. Let’s hope we have learnt our lessons ahead of today. Win or bust today, it’s that simple!

Our top 3 have been consistently inconsistent. All have 1 big score in 7 matches, although Azhar’s average stands up pretty well.

Would you say that is good enough?

Craig Overton remains top of the batting averages in this competition. What does that tell you?

Re: 2 homes wins for top spot starting with Hamps
Somerset LaLaLa 07 May, 2019 07:16
A bowler Sandhills. Given the frequency of the games, that it's back to the championship next week, and still early in the season I would have rotated the seamers more (including Brooks). I believe Gregory and Cove are must play at the moment, however all have given it 100% and we should not risk burn out.

You admit the fragility of the batting and I'm considering how we go on to win this cup

Re: 2 homes wins for top spot starting with Hamps
cricketjerry-mouse 07 May, 2019 09:48
Somerset kept up their unbeaten run in the Second XI Trophy at Sussex yesterday, reaching 271-7 with three balls left.

Wickets for Jack Brooks and runs for Marcus Trescothick, Steve Davies, Tim Rouse and Tom Lammonby.

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