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Re: The only way's through Essex innit?!!
Grizzers 27 September, 2019 17:58
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Re: The only way's through Essex innit?!!
Tom Seymour 27 September, 2019 23:14
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Unfortunately Mr Harrison, at the ground yesterday, was overheard to say some very disparaging things about the pitch and Somerset. Also the pitch inspector is apparently likely to pass the pitch as 'poor' and so may cause issues going into next year. If we had won it is almost certain we would have been docked points and so would be having contentious conversations with everyone!

I suspect that the pitch would have been rated as "poor", and I do not accept that because we had just passed into another year after our reprimand last year, we could or should expect another reprieve. As it happened the top 2 teams in Div. 1 were fighting it out on their own for the Championship.

Had I been an Essex member / supporter and Essex had lost this game primarily because the pitch was unsuitable for a 4 day game, I would have been far from pleased. Scrmpywasp states that "if we had won it is almost certain we would have been docked points", but is the result of the match relevant here?

The 2 umpires and the pitch liaison officer would have given their findings to the E C B, and if their reports merit a points deduction, the result of the game IMO is not relevant.

We have sailed too close to the wind in recent seasons over the quality of some of our pitches, and if not this time we are going to get severely rapped for it.

I don't really give a monkeys over other issues involving angst against the E C B, but if they see a points deduction as being fair in this particular case, then so be it as far as I am concerned. They have a written definition as to what constitutes a "good" cricket pitch which allows for some assistance to seamers at the start of a 4 day game, followed by a longer period in which it assists the batters and then towards the end of the match allows some turn for the spinners / slow bowlers.

I am sure that most county ground groundsmen would admit that this is easier said than done - a fact which is surely accepted by the E C B. We have (but not for much longer) a very conscientious Head Groundsman and team who not only work extremely hard but also had a mountain to climb after the departure of Simon Lee's predecessor. Simon is under instructions from the Director of Cricket and coaching staff over what type of pitch to prepare for any particular game.

I hope that we escape with just a rap over the knuckles, because the memory of this season will be sullied by a punishment any stronger.

The playing season is over, and I am fortunate to be off to warmer climes, I hope, but within a more unsettled political climate. Yes, that is possible despite the current shenanigans over Brexit in the UK.

Here's to 2020 and to at least be able to see some cricket played on our delightful County Ground.



A glass half - empty or a glass half - full?
Regardless, both glasses need filling up.

Re: The only way's through Essex innit?!!
geordie moonraker 27 September, 2019 23:30
Regarding other's views of Somerset I would rather take Atherton's view in the Times which is nothing less than complimentary and describes Somerset as a model county club.

Re: The only way's through Essex innit?!!
Somerset LaLaLa 28 September, 2019 08:24
What about the Essex pitch vs Hampshire or when they played at Kent? In my mind Essex are worthy champions, the game needs world class spinners and batsman that can play spin. The cricket is also more entertaining

Re: The only way's through Essex innit?!!
Des Platt 28 September, 2019 10:38
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Regarding other's views of Somerset I would rather take Atherton's view in the Times which is nothing less than complimentary and describes Somerset as a model county club.

Absolutely right Moonraker. Despite my long held affection for Somerset Cricket, I’ve only visited three times ( each time for the whole four day game) but I’ve never felt as at home at any other county ground. I did like Trent Bridge in my several years membership there ( loved the ground which bridges the gap between Test and County grounds) even though I don’t much care for the Notts importing culture . In forty years of being a Lancs supporter (25 years as a member) , I never really felt at home at Old Trafford although I do on its out grounds. Just wish the distance to Taunton was less, as let’s face it, travelling anywhere in this country is a nightmare now. It took me eight hours to get home yesterday.

May not make it next year ; more likely to go and support Somerset at Chelmsford if there is a fixture. I also have an appalling record with weather on cricket holidays ( blame me for this week) . Time wise, I can only really manage a couple of four days per year. Would also love to watch Somerset at Cheltenham next year if that happens; was washed out when I went to watch Lancs there in May.

I do think with this side, it is only a matter of time, unless the ECB find ways to cheat us. For many years, Somerset’s dead pitches meant there was no chance of a championship win which was also the same for Lancashire with Old Trafford. I wish the ECB would turn their attention to pictures where a result would not be possible in 10 days.



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Re: The only way's through Essex innit?!!
nelliec 28 September, 2019 13:35
Maybe the uncontested toss should be taken a stage further where the away team has control over whether they bat or ball.This would stop Essex and Somerset produce spin friendly wickets all the time,instead producing strips that do a bit of everything or provide a bit of mystery to the away team

Re: The only way's through Essex innit?!!
Grockle 28 September, 2019 13:54
Well we'll see whether this goes any further before talking about 'almost certainty' and what idiots from the ECB or 'pitch inspectors' have or have not reported or commented on. Given the weather and the lack of comment during the game, holding judgement before evidence seems the sensible thing to do rather than looking for exaggerated over reaction about a present non event.



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Re: The only way's through Essex innit?!!
mikeindex 28 September, 2019 14:09
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nelliec
Maybe the uncontested toss should be taken a stage further where the away team has control over whether they bat or ball.This would stop Essex and Somerset produce spin friendly wickets all the time,instead producing strips that do a bit of everything or provide a bit of mystery to the away team
I suspect that giving the away team uncontested choice would lead to a plague of motorways as home teams would be reluctant to produce pitches that helped either seam or spin.

Re: The only way's through Essex innit?!!
Roger ivanhoe 28 September, 2019 19:17
With all this talk of Somerset being guilty of preparing wickets to suit, I did wonder why we were chosen to so called test out the "Stitched " wicket.

Re: The only way's through Essex innit?!!
Grockle 28 September, 2019 20:51
It does make you wonder doesn't it?

Along with why our groundsman is moving to another ground as his pitches are in such doubt?

There's also the matter of the fact that we haven't ever been 'docked' points for poor pitch preparation that I can recall or even accused of any wrong doing by any official checking on such matters.

All seems very strange I must agree Roger.



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Re: The only way's through Essex innit?!!
nelliec 28 September, 2019 21:04
Maybe we should revert to a seamer friendly wicket as they never ever get questioned.With our seam attack,as well as the swing influence our lights seem to have on the conditions it could possibly make life easier without Jack for periods.You could still throw in a turner when it suits.

Re: The only way's through Essex innit?!!
nelliec 28 September, 2019 21:29
Simple solution to winnining the championship next year is to just strengthen the batting now we have a bit of money in the player budget.
One signing from another county David Malan
One Kollpak player Quinton De Kock
One overseas player Steve Smith.
Mix them up with Banton,Abell,Bartlett and Hildreth and I cant see any problems whatever pitch we play on.😁😁😁

Re: The only way's through Essex innit?!!
Grockle 28 September, 2019 21:33
Personally related to the subject of another thread, I'd rather see the club wound up than Smith in its colours whatever skill he may have as a batsman.



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Re: The only way's through Essex innit?!!
Bagpuss 28 September, 2019 23:34
I can't imagine why WdK would want to give up his international career to turn Kolpak but I suppose stranger things have happened. As far as Smith's concerned I'm not as principled as Grockle and if he's going to commit to a county season (big if) then I reckon our bowlers would prefer to be bowling at him in the nets than in the middle in a match. I'm not convinced Somerset has the cash or the big county kudos to secure his signature though (unless Wee Justin puts in a word for us).

Marnus Labuschagne has proved he can do it on a cold day in Cardiff as well as the Ashes in August. After Glamorgan plucked him from the reduced to clear shelf as a last minute replacement for Marsh, S he can expect a long list of potential suitors for 2020. The romantic in me hopes he'll remain faithful to Glamorgan. If not then tempt him with as much cider as he can drink and crowds around a thousand percent bigger than he got at the 'Diff.

Left field Aussie pick? Matthew Wade. Got in the Ashes squad as a specialist batsman due to wright of runs in last season's Sheffield Shield. Not a perfect fit as not a top 3 batsman. But *if* there is doubt about Steven Davies staying (personally I don't think there is, but perhaps that's my inner voice of hope) then Wade would solve a problem. We would need an account at Wickes though not for sandpaper but for gaffer tape for his mouth!

Re: The only way's through Essex innit?!!
geordie moonraker 28 September, 2019 23:44
I'm with Grockle regarding Smith (sorry Bagpuss. )I gave up Durham membership when they appointed Bancroft captain and wouldn't want Smith any where near Taunton.

Re: The only way's through Essex innit?!!
Scrumper 28 September, 2019 23:55
I couldn't face Smith playing for us, but I'm sure the county that has him will pip us to the 2020 championship.

Glass empty.

Re: The only way's through Essex innit?!!
Grockle 29 September, 2019 09:19
Probably right Scrumper but still.....



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Re: The only way's through Essex innit?!!
nelliec 29 September, 2019 09:49
The rumours towards the end of the season were for Marcus North,particularly his links to Taunton Cricket Club and Tom Abell

Re: The only way's through Essex innit?!!
Roger ivanhoe 29 September, 2019 10:16
Thought he was DOC at Durham nelliec, and also 41 in July.

Re: The only way's through Essex innit?!!
Railboy 29 September, 2019 10:38
Returning to the “doctored” pitch thread, what option did we have? Given the ridiculous scheduling of the season finale in late autumn and the attendant weather forecast we had to produce a strip capable of conjuring a result in around 5 sessions. Despite playing against the best spinner in the world and probably still the best player of spin in the world we still produced a spin friendly wicket. Seems to me that we conceded an advantage rather than sought to gain one. If Harrison and his goons are looking for someone culpable they should look much closer to home.

Re: The only way's through Essex innit?!!
nelliec 29 September, 2019 11:22
Apologises Roger.I meant Marcus Harris

Re: The only way's through Essex innit?!!
Roger ivanhoe 29 September, 2019 11:51
Tom Harrison arrived by train on the last day and told a fellow passenger that he hope the game would finish early as he had a dinner to attend to in the evening, and that if the game did go on the ECB would have to taxi someone else down from London to present the cup.

Shambolic is a word i would use.

Re: The only way's through Essex innit?!!
Somerset LaLaLa 29 September, 2019 15:09
On £719,000 a year (according to ECB accounts 2018/19), I'm surprised he didn't come by taxi anyway

Re: The only way's through Essex innit?!!
Grizzers 05 October, 2019 23:33
Anyone know what the outcome was of the official assessment of the pitch and whether or not we are to be penalised by the omnipotent ones at the ECB ?

Grizzzly

Re: The only way's through Essex innit?!!
Grockle 05 October, 2019 23:59
No noise except the speculation I'll venture



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