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FAKE 2020 CC1 v Notts @Trent Bridge
Discussion started by Grockles.com , 11 April, 2020 11:55
FAKE 2020 CC1 v Notts @Trent Bridge
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Fake 2020 On the Road to Notts
Grockle 09 April, 2020 10:29
No time to sit on a laurels with a cricket season in process. April the 11th we face Nottinghamshire (2019 version not with Pete) at Trent Bridge after their defeat to Yorkshire and our win against Kent. Farmer can tell me how it went last year I'm presently interested in how to deal with them on my laptop on Saturday morning.

I'll pop in a couple of quick polls for those in the least bit interested (a couple of the side were on Twitter - though I couldn't get the skipper to tell me whether to enforce or not!!). Rooster was worried about rain on Day 4. On we go.



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Re: Fake 2020 On the Road to Notts
Somerset LaLaLa 09 April, 2020 11:57
I'm voting for the following side:

Abell
Carberry
Ali
Hildreth
Bartlett
Davies
Gregory
Bess
Overton C
Overton J
Leach

According to Howstat Ali has batted in test cricket more at no 3, although his average is slightly worse than opening. Two spinners is more about having the same winning side, as Davey would be my preference at the start of the season

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Re: Fake 2020 On the Road to Notts
Farmer White 09 April, 2020 12:32
Jack Leach took six wickets on the third morning to demolish their second innings last year. I sat square, but the collapse looked more to do with Leach's guile than the pitch. Jack Brooks took the other four. And, in retrospect, Nottinghamshire were playing a very long way below their potential last year, so I doubt last year has any relevance to this year.

Farmer.

Re: Fake 2020 On the Road to Notts
Grockle 10 April, 2020 12:44
Well it's Friday and I have to put the proposals to the selection committee for tomorrow's CC1 side away to Nottinghamshire

I can't tell you their side until I choose ours, a little bit of fun, but it will be based on the 2019 squad and internationals

Last year they offered up (according to my new Wisden)
Slater, Duckett, Nash, Clarke, Mullaney, Patel, Moores, Wood, Broad, Fletcher and Ball

You have suggested the following based on feedback I have received

Azhar Ali joins at number 3 with the same opening partnership as against Kent at the start of this week.
Tom Banton makes way and Steve Davies retains the gloves
We continue to play 2 spinners, probably also relying on Dom Bess to provide some extra batting backbone for the tail

No place for Jack Brookes or Josh Davey
No place for Eddie Byrom or Alexei Kervezee

And if we want to see the glory of Tom Banton we may have to run a white ball campaign - I was hoping we might get a real one in 2020 but we may consider that later I suppose.

Anyone got any issues with this as a line up? If you wish to propose alternatives please do but I don't have a lot of time to put those to the general selection committee because I believe I have to provide an official team list before 10am tomorrow morning.

The weather? Well surprisingly in the parallel universe, we don't get a look at the four day forecast until tomorrow.

Another question to be decided. Do we request a toss or choose the 'no toss' option (which still seems to apply here)



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Re: Fake 2020 On the Road to Notts
Farmer White 10 April, 2020 13:53
In Test cricket away sides win 39% of all positive results. Away sides that insert the opposition win 37% of positive results. I suggest you toss a coin to decide Grockle, although I tend to take the WG Grace line.

As an afterthought I would add to that. I find a good way to make a marginal decision is, for example, to say heads we bat, tails we bowl, toss a coin and go with which way you hope it will come down. Tried it in this case and found myself hoping it wouldn't come down.

Farmer



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Re: Fake 2020 On the Road to Notts
Grockle 10 April, 2020 14:08
Well looking at that. Assuming we take a toss and win. Bat or bowl. Both the victories I have seen up there we batted first.



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Re: Fake 2020 On the Road to Notts
Grockle 11 April, 2020 08:19
Trent Bridge side is presently going to be;

Abell
Carberry
Ali
Hildreth
Bartlett
Davies
Gregory
Bess
Overton C
Overton J
Leach

I've had no comment on the toss so I'll go for one and we'll bat first if we can.

Comments before 10 if you disagree.



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Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 v Notts @Trent Bridge
Grockle 11 April, 2020 12:03
We've won the toss and decided to bat. The weather is overcast. May not be the right decision but … hey



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Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 v Notts @Trent Bridge
Grockle 11 April, 2020 13:55
68 for 2 at lunch... still not sure about the decision but there we are.



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Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 v Notts @Trent Bridge
Farmer White 11 April, 2020 15:11
If we had put them in and they were 68 for 2 at lunch I think I might be more worried than I am with us being 68 for 2. But then, I have been worrying about the Somerset score since before I was laid low by the 1957 flu pandemic.

Farmer

Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 v Notts @Trent Bridge
Grockle 11 April, 2020 17:01
Broad and Pattinson have had a good day. Azhar has had a hard one but he is still there. Others have started but not gone on although Mike Carberry was very unlucky.

156 for 5... still not a good score but we are still there



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Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 v Notts @Trent Bridge
mikeindex 11 April, 2020 18:32
Quote:
Farmer White
But then, I have been worrying about the Somerset score since before I was laid low by the 1957 flu pandemic.

Was that when they imposed a police state because somebody had a sniffle?

Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 v Notts @Trent Bridge
Grockle 11 April, 2020 19:57
A bit of a rally after Tea with a 108 partnership between Lewis G and AA. He finally goes for 86 but Dom helps Lewis to the end of the day at 249 for 6. Gregory on 64 and 1 run for another bonus point.



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Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 v Notts @Trent Bridge
Loyal of Lhasa 12 April, 2020 11:03
I know Grockle is putting a lot of effort into arranging and reporting these fake matches and that they bring pleasure to many. They are not, however, my thing and I prefer to be at Taunton this morning for the first competitive match of the season against Warwickshire, according to my fixture list, hoping we shall not be deducted any points before lunch just for being simply too good for the opposition.



LoL

Seventy-two Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 v Notts @Trent Bridge
Grockle 12 April, 2020 11:49
Shame you can't be there LoL - I don't think you are on your own in that wish.

I didn't expect this to be to all tastes and it's more to do with watching the effect of strategy than actually imagining this is close to 'reality'. I have to admit I'm quite intrigued by how the engine suggests Carberry would perform in a side so long including Marcus

There are a number of fantasy versions popping up - one dice version is advertising prizes for predictions on the 'Championship' matches but then allows sides to have such things as Wade and Azam playing at the same time for Somerset. Not my cup of tea as it is simply turning the CC1 into some kind of white ball hybrid linked to a game of chance.

How we get through the next few weeks will be an individual thing. I did suggest to a regular critic that the easiest way to avoid this is to stop reading at the first post. I'll keep using the term 'FAKE' for those who struggle to identify what is real and what isn't.

One guy on Twitter did get a little perturbed by the Carberry appearance and thought he'd missed something.

I'm back to 'virtual' work tomorrow so whether I'll manage to continue the season will have to be seen. While I enjoy it I'll do it. Sorry if it isn't to some tastes. Happy some others are getting something from it.

As someone suggested, it would be ironic if we won the CC1 in this parallel universe. But I'll let the machine work that out. I was surprised that over 1000 views took in the first game - curiosity no doubt but we'll see.

On we go. The first phase of Day 2 will be reported in about 90 minutes



(Sm72)



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Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 v Notts @Trent Bridge
Loyal of Lhasa 12 April, 2020 12:31
I say again, well done to you Grockle for this enterprising initiative - and there is absolutely no need to apologise that it may not be to everybody's taste. I hope your virtual work will allow you to continue reporting the ebbs and flows.

Some of the sadder members of our Grockles family may have noticed that I do not update my signature until the first competitive ball of each season has been bowled. This I did shortly after 11.00 this morning, not wishing to wait indefinitely for proper play to start.

The good news is that Warwickshire are 57/6; the bad news is that the pitch inspectors are already on their way.



LoL

Seventy-two Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 v Notts @Trent Bridge
Grockle 12 April, 2020 13:17
Interestingly LoL

Mr Jack Leach has had a productive Day 2 morning at Trent Bridge in the alternative universe version. Maybe they have turned around and are heading across country to Nottingham as we post?



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Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 v Notts @Trent Bridge
Grockle 12 April, 2020 17:04
Moores and Coughlin take a chunk out of the Somerset lead with a stand of 93 as Notts fight back in the Spring sunshine. 56 ahead with Notts on 221 for 6. Not sure which combination to use though Jack has taken 4 for 42 presently.



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Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 v Notts @Trent Bridge
Somerset LaLaLa 12 April, 2020 17:39
Great stuff Grockle, heading for a draw?

Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 v Notts @Trent Bridge
Grockle 12 April, 2020 18:12
Well it does look like it will be all square at the halfway stage. we haven't really collapsed yet in this season so you can never be all that sure.

Let's see how the last session of the day goes and look at it then.



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Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 v Notts @Trent Bridge
Grockle 12 April, 2020 19:02
Getting Moores was the most important aspect of the final session. It took some time but after a 48 run partnership with Pattinson we finally remove them both just after 250. then Lewis comes back to get the last couple and Notts are done at 268.

Tom and Mike C then stick to the task and we go in at the end of Day 2 61 ahead at 51 for 0. A good final half hour.

To and fro kind of day.



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Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 v Notts @Trent Bridge
Farmer White 12 April, 2020 19:16
This may be fantasy cricket but it is very Somerset. To and fro, up and down, edge of the seat, and never a minute for the addicted Somerset mind to rest. Makes me feel quite at home, even if I am at home on what should have been the first day of the season.

Farmer

Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 v Notts @Trent Bridge
Grockle 13 April, 2020 11:51
Well Fake Day 3 will start here in about 2 hours.... ish



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Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 v Notts @Trent Bridge
Shepton Paul 2 13 April, 2020 11:54
I'm enjoying this a lot, Grockle, all the more maybe for not being real or actually mattering that much. Been offline for a couple days, and was eagerly anticipating the score update when I logged on this morning. Thank you again for doing this.

Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 v Notts @Trent Bridge
Somerset LaLaLa 13 April, 2020 12:24
Cricket brings a number of interesting permutations, for example whether to bat first, who to bowl and enforcing the follow-on? Somerset have a good actual record in the Championship from batting first recently, but should we experiment with this in future? However a tough decision for me, if it comes in the next day or so, is when to declare...

Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 v Notts @Trent Bridge
Grockle 13 April, 2020 12:27
It is weird doing it because I do it over by over rather than just let the machine run the game. I might, If I get time, work out whether I can podcast that because it is, not quite real, but you do get to the point where you do or you don't want to press the 'Over' button. It would be a bit like the live stream highlights reel. Maybe a bit too far but time is not exactly pressing at the moment

One interesting thing is that ONLY Matt Renshaw of all the batsmen who have got close to a century in the sessions up to now has actually got over the line. Every other batsmen who has made it into the 90's has come up a shot short.

The only thing I do is change over or around the wicket, bowlers and aggression levels. I don't set fields (I have trouble working out which is left and right) - I couldn't ask for these decisions, each game would take a week. The engine does the rest.

Glad it's filling some kind of a gap. It's not much but it's something for some people



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Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 v Notts @Trent Bridge
Grockle 13 April, 2020 12:32
Yes. IF we bat well today, how big a lead IS enough. I think IF we get this score towards 300 that may very well be a poll question.

The question will also be Time or Number? Do we bat for a period of time which might change batting orders and aggression levels or do we bat for a score and how long do we wait for it?

The permutations are all there - it really is an interesting software package in context and because of that it offers some of the debates we would probably be having anyway so it's all good.....



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Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 v Notts @Trent Bridge
Grockle 13 April, 2020 12:56
So as a bit of preparation. Get your thinking hats on people.

Given their batting line-up and the fact that we have two days to create a total and then bowl them out before they get it....

What is a defendable total to look for?

How long would we need to get them in and out again?

If it becomes an issue it will be one to ask about 5 o'clock this afternoon and I'll be asking the question with quite a quick turn around. You will have some idea because you will know what happened up to lunch and if declaration becomes an issue I will report the session up to an after Tea to the point when it would be something to think about.

This could all be moot and we could be 5 down by the lunch break but.... cricket captains have to think ahead.



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Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 v Notts @Trent Bridge
Farmer White 13 April, 2020 13:18
I am not even coming out from behind the sofa until Tea! If it's all over by then could someone please leave a note.

Thank you

Farmer

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