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FAKE 2020 Essex @Chelmsford CC1 - Deja Vu?
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 25/05/2020 14:26 by Grockle.

FAKE 2020 CC1 Essex Away
Grockle 18 May, 2020 16:50
This seems to be the side we have been moving towards and it was a defining part of our 2019 season. I'll get the detail together and start the prep for it. But do we have anyinitisl thoughts?


Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Essex Away
Farmer White 18 May, 2020 17:06
OK. I will start us off. With one exception, I would continue with the same team to sustain the momentum, but I would be looking to rest Gregory after this match. The one exception being Jamie Overton. I would like his back fire in against Essex. A tough call as to who to leave out. But tough calls have to be made. I would leave out Jack Brooks. He leaked runs at Chelmsford last year, conceding at nearly twice the rate of anyone else. Neither did he take a wicket.


Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Essex Away
Somerset LaLaLa 18 May, 2020 17:34
Tom Abell at no 5. He has struggled in this competition as opener, but I suspect he will get a big score lower down.

If Carberry is back that would make the swap straightforward (at the expense of Kervezee). Otherwise we could go all Somerset and bring Byrom back as an opener

Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Essex Away
Grockle 18 May, 2020 17:34
Well the first thing is that Yorkshire have overtaken us at the top of the table on the basis of having played 7 games to our 6. They have however lost a game where we go into Chelmsford unbeaten. They have an 8 point margin on us more bowling points (21 to 18) but less batting (13 to 19).

MIKE CARBERRY is fit again and we have no injuries pending presently. Full squad people.


Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Essex Away
Grockle 18 May, 2020 17:37
Well young Mr Bartlett seems to have made 3 his for definite.

OK then.
1. ALI


Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Essex Away
Grockle 18 May, 2020 17:41
If you want to rest Gregory then I think you have to play Bess as a number 7 bat. If you don't want to play Brooks because of last year that would still allow Jamie and Josh Davey to play unless you move Kervezee to 7?


Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Essex Away
Farmer White 18 May, 2020 17:57
I would keep Gregory for this match because we need our strongest side for Essex and, apart from his bowling and slip fielding, his batting gives us the best balance. Then rest him for the next match because we will need him fresh for Yorkshire away, which I think comes up in a couple of matches. I am assumimg, but don't know, that the software takes account of injury records when I suggest a rest for Gregory at some point.


Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Essex Away
Somerset LaLaLa 18 May, 2020 21:14
I can't go many posts without hesitation, deviation or repetition, so...

What are the pitch conditions ?

Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Essex Away
Grockle 19 May, 2020 19:26
As below


Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Essex Away
Grockle 19 May, 2020 19:40
OK we'll look to get this one off the ground tomorrow morning then around midday so any main suggestions before I start get the side into some kind of semblance of order?


Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Essex Away
Somerset LaLaLa 19 May, 2020 20:52
If this come to a vote:

Carberry and Ali to open, with Abell lower down.

Gregory, Cove, Brooks, Jove and Leach to bowl.

Bat first if we can and see how history repeats itself

Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Essex Away
Grockle 19 May, 2020 21:31
Sounds like a plan. Any dissenters?


Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Essex Away
Farmer White 19 May, 2020 22:18
I would have Bess for Brooks. I don't think a single match went beyond three days at Chelmsford last year, one might have just crawled into day four, and Harmer took a shedload of wickets at Chelmsford. 3.5 pace bowlers should be enough. And I like Bess's vim in the field; and with Abell at cover and Bess at midwicket there will not be many quick singles. Pressure will build. Otherwise, that is probably as strong a team as we could put out. Definitely toss, definitely bat if we win it, but then, except on an April geentop under glowering cloud I always would. But here, I would also take into account that in 2019 Harmer took the bulk of his wickets at Chelmsford in the second innings.


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Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Essex Away
Shepton Paul 2 20 May, 2020 09:46
Agree with Farmer , Bess for Brooks.

Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Essex Away
Somerset LaLaLa 20 May, 2020 10:20
Looks like Head Selector Grockle has the casting vote and gets to send the unlucky bowler to carry the drinks

Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Essex Away
Grockle 20 May, 2020 16:34

Seems to be the side to go into this one


Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Essex Away
Grockle 20 May, 2020 17:03
We go with that team then

We won the toss and will bat first


Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Essex Away
Grockle 20 May, 2020 22:15
Azhar 84
Azhar and Tom 56
Tom 46*
Lewis 39*
Tom and Lewis 55

Quite a few 'got in then got outs' against Siddle and all the Cooks!!

237 for 5 end of Day 1


Re: FAKE 2020 Essex @Chelmsford CC1 - Deja Vu?
Grockle 22 May, 2020 00:06
Bloody Cook! But he'll have to do well to parallel Tom Abell's 129* as Somerset clock up over 400 and are 272 ahead with 2 gone at the halfway stage


Re: FAKE 2020 Essex @Chelmsford CC1 - Deja Vu?
Somerset LaLaLa 22 May, 2020 11:03
Cook was the difference in this match last year.

One thing the computer doesn't seem to do is produce many low scoring games

Re: FAKE 2020 Essex @Chelmsford CC1 - Deja Vu?
Farmer White 22 May, 2020 12:10
Posting reports after midnight Grockle? It is the start of a slippery slope which ends at sunrise ...

And more seriously, your efforts on this are appreciated.


Re: FAKE 2020 Essex @Chelmsford CC1 - Deja Vu?
Grockle 22 May, 2020 12:42
I'm in a double world Farmer.

I quarantine in UK time but I work in Bermudian time so as I had a '4pm' staff meeting which went on until '5'. I didn't really get to sorting this out until '7-ish' and by that time it was midnight-ish.

Until the end of June such is my life

Yes, you could argue the PC likes big scores, or it uses the data to produce what SHOULD happen.

Last season there was more than one occasion when we were saying - why oh why are batsmen of such potential doing so poorly.

Noticeably, Steve Davies is living up to his CC1 potential in this scenario.

I hate to say it but there is also not the situation of Marcus going early and putting the front end under pressure. Carberry and Ali are not going early usually (I mean within 5 or 6 overs) and Byrom and Bartlett have done their jobs in that top 3.

You should be happy in this game as your predicted move of the skipper worked - thank heavens.

Maybe we are just doing what ought to be done and the PC is more optimistic about those changes.

I think the higher predictabilities that I am noticing are;
a) Don't get into the 90's just before an interval
b) Expect wicket keeping errors to give you at least 8 leg byes an innings
c) Caught and Bowled is far more likely than usual
d) Don't hope for rain to save you

As Mikeindex pointed out, this could be the season we all fantasise about, where things go the way we always hope - but it is ONLY game 7 and we haven't got anywhere near winning it yet.
It has been a long time since i have experienced a game where batsmen have been producing runs in batches - hence scores over 400 rather than on e decent score, some individual little bits and scores about 250.

The bowlers are bowling to form..... the bigger scores make wins more likely as they have first innings scores to bowl AT

All these things could, of course change.

The only thing I would like to say it that I am doing nothing to influence play.

The only aspects I have control over are;
a) the toss and decisions at it (win and bat presently seems to work)
b) bowling changes
c) the level of aggression of batsmen as they get settled
d) declaration decisions if they are required - though I do tend to ask for guidance if I can on that one.

So the PC is running this season based on data I assume.


Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 22/05/2020 13:10 by Grockle.

Re: FAKE 2020 Essex @Chelmsford CC1 - Deja Vu?
Grockle 22 May, 2020 23:37
You posted too early Farmer

20 wickets go down on Day 3.

Ryan tenDoeschate gets 100

Essex fall 77 short of the Somerset total an hour after Lunch

Somerset are all out for 85 45 minutes before the end of play and get 2 Essex wickets for 28 by the day's end.

Essex need 135 after our first major collapse of this season with a very good position in front of us

Not so by the end of Day 3


Re: FAKE 2020 Essex @Chelmsford CC1 - Deja Vu?
Somerset LaLaLa 23 May, 2020 08:07
"35 minutes of fast agressive speed is required for any Somerset hope."

With only Gregory, Cove and Jove as quicks, it will be interesting to see if we can get them all out now. The bounce rating was average, which will suit these bowlers in particular since hopefully the pitch has deteriorated for day 4. Looking back at the weather forecast, there is plenty of sunshine so Jove will tire easily. Leach will always take tickets, all being well Bess will make good. But did Essex select a side having no spinners, where is Harmer?

Some clever bowling rotation required here to bring us home

Re: FAKE 2020 Essex @Chelmsford CC1 - Deja Vu?
Grockle 23 May, 2020 10:37
Well they have 2 but tenDoeschate worries me. Can only hope he used up his lives in the first innings. Browne needs to go early.

This is what the fantasy season hasn't had so far. Poor batting performances hobbling good bowling ones.


Re: FAKE 2020 Essex @Chelmsford CC1 - Deja Vu?
Grockle 23 May, 2020 16:42
A 'Fighting' Loss.

Essex win by 3 wickets with Jack and Lewis taking 4 between them.

Not enough runs to play with - this game was lost on Day 3. Another 50 and it might have been a different case.

How important a loss that might be we shall have to wait and see, it could be the pivotal result as in 2019 perhaps?


Re: FAKE 2020 Essex @Chelmsford CC1 - Deja Vu?
Somerset LaLaLa 23 May, 2020 19:39
Well played Essex. Deja-vu.

A full squad was available, we played our strongest team (at least for batting) and won the toss. We can't even beat Essex by computer.

Maybe next time there is something expected in the pitch, we go for an extra batsman and just have 4 specialist bowlers? Even though we should have got them at the end, scoring 85 all out is not good enough to win

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