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FAKE 2020 CC1 Notts The Return
Discussion started by Grockles.com , 07 June, 2020 13:22
FAKE 2020 CC1 Notts The Return
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FAKE 2020 Notts CC1 @ Taunton
Grockle 04 June, 2020 16:02
And on we go to the Notts return game.

The present position in Fantasy Championship is wonderfully this

http://v4admin.sportnetwork.net/upload/59/59_0_1591282724.jpg


JAMIE OVERTON is fit again

Unfortunately....

JACK LEACH is out for FOUR weeks!!

Time for others to step up and the pressure on Dom Bess is going to be significant.



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Re: FAKE 2020 Notts CC1 @ Taunton
Grockle 04 June, 2020 16:09
For "selectors"

Here are the conditions for the game

http://v4admin.sportnetwork.net/upload/59/59_0_1591283268.jpg



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Re: FAKE 2020 Notts CC1 @ Taunton
Grockle 04 June, 2020 16:14
The twin spin question is no longer an issue. Dom MUST play

1 Ali
2 Byrom? Carberry?
3 Bartlett
4 Hildreth
5 Abell
6 Davies
7. Gregory? Banton?
8. Bess
9. COve
10 JOve? Brooks
11 Brooks? Davey?



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Re: FAKE 2020 Notts CC1 @ Taunton
nelliec 04 June, 2020 16:32
Table looks all too familiar just like the same time last year..Can’t really mess around with the top 6..Might rest Cove for Joce and bring Gregory back for Brookes

Re: FAKE 2020 Notts CC1 @ Taunton
Somerset LaLaLa 04 June, 2020 18:41
Notts are doing a lot better than I expected and not to be taken lightly.

Leach out for 4 weeks is a massive blow, he's probably taken about 6 wickets a game. Presumably it means for the next 4 matches and we can't just have a quick 50 over competition to reconvene this in July. Only joking.

Given all this, I suggest Byrom has earned a place so no Banton. Computer may say Hildreth is not available sooner or later. The top 6 would be the same as the last match.

Our strongest bowlers are Gregory and Brooks, as you say Bess is in.

Is Van der Merwe available? If not the other two would be Cove and Jove

Re: FAKE 2020 Notts CC1 @ Taunton
Grockle 04 June, 2020 19:46
I assume VdM is in the squad so he is available.



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Re: FAKE 2020 Notts CC1 @ Taunton
Somerset LaLaLa 04 June, 2020 20:57
In that case I would rest Cove. We did actually play VdM and Bess together (without Leach) a few times last summer.

Ali, Byrom, Bartlett, Hildreth, Abell, Davies, Gregory, Bess, VdM, Jove, Brooks - what do you think?

Re: FAKE 2020 Notts CC1 @ Taunton
nelliec 04 June, 2020 22:55
Didn’t read about Leach injury.
In that case Gregory ,Van Der Merwe,Bess ,Jove and Cove.
Unless you use Azhar as the second spinner and play Brooks

Re: FAKE 2020 Notts CC1 @ Taunton
nelliec 04 June, 2020 22:57
Can’t remember Jove batting at 11 befote

Re: FAKE 2020 Notts CC1 @ Taunton
Grockle 05 June, 2020 10:17
Interesting how the 2 spin option has become the go to option in Fantasyland when we would probably expect it to be much more of a debate in a real life 2020 season if it were happening.

Would we have expected Don to play 7 out of 8 CC1 games this summer had the season gone ahead?



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Re: FAKE 2020 Notts CC1 @ Taunton
Grockle 05 June, 2020 10:24
OK. Well tomorrow I'm planning to go with this side unless there is major disagreement

1. Ali
2. Byrom
3. Bartlett
4. Hildreth
5. Abell
6. Davies
7. Gregory
8. RvdM
9. Bess
10. Brooks
11. Overton J

Let me know your comments please.



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Re: FAKE 2020 Notts CC1 @ Taunton
Somerset LaLaLa 05 June, 2020 11:12
I'm suggesting 2 spinners here because:

There is no Leach, who must have taken almost 50 wickets. Expecting Bess and VdM to take his share for this match, so effectively a bowler down. Could start off a big argument here, but let's see.

The bounce rating for this game is perfect, which means to me favours the batsmen against the fast/medium bowlers. We haven't seen a perfect rating very often. Spin might be the way to go in the final innings

Re: FAKE 2020 Notts CC1 @ Taunton
Farmer White 05 June, 2020 13:38
I think two spinners is right, I usually do, especially with one turning it each way as we have had virtually all summer not allowing the batsmen to settle, and it is possible because of Abell's effectiveness as a fourth seamer.

The batting looks right too, right and left handed at the top and another left-hander lower down.

I would bat Jamie Overton above Brooks if this were the side, although I would probably play Davey ahead of Brooks because he is more consistent and I am not sure with three main seamers we would want both Jamie and Brooks in the side as both can leak runs on occasion.

Cricket settling on 11 players a side was a stroke of genius, inadvertent or otherwise. Always a batsman or a bowler short, although Somerset's string of bowling all rounders mitigates against that, and always a fielder short, hence the demise of third man I imagine in these days of more attacking fields. In the balance of the side context Gregory is priceless, the Overtons being equally brilliant at slip or on the boundary are a real boon in balancing the field.

Farmer

Re: FAKE 2020 Notts CC1 @ Taunton
Shepton Paul 2 05 June, 2020 17:04
My real-world default would always be two spinners; then look for very good reasons not to play one of them...eg first three days of a match rained off, extraordinarily green pitch, etc..

I'm happy with your XI Grockle.

Re: FAKE 2020 Notts CC1 @ Taunton
Grockle 05 June, 2020 20:16
I have to say in real life I would opt for Davey over Brooks on the consistency footing but Jack has done well here.

Is it an issue Brooks v Davey?



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Re: FAKE 2020 Notts CC1 @ Taunton
Grockle 06 June, 2020 12:40
OK we'll go with that side. Again we'll bat if there is a toss



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Re: FAKE 2020 Notts CC1 @ Taunton
Grockle 06 June, 2020 13:24
We lost the toss and will bowl first

The Notts side is
Slater, Mullaney, Patel, Clarke, Moores, Coughlin, Wood, Pattinson, Broad, Fletcher, Ball



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Re: FAKE 2020 Notts CC1 @ Taunton
Grockle 06 June, 2020 23:46
Sorry. Did not get it started today but the gteat thing sbout fanyasy is that it can start tomorrow instead. It would have been 7th of July last year I do believe.



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Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Notts The Return
Grockle 07 June, 2020 13:27
Notts go in for lunch 130 for 6 after a very poor front end performance and some good Somerset bowling especially from Lewis Gregory back after his rest.



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Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Notts The Return
Grockle 07 June, 2020 16:57
Moores with 50 and Pattinson and Broad with a 91 run partnership revitalise Notts in the afternoon session and they go into Tea still alive at 261 for 9. A little bit better than their situation at Lunch one has to say and Somerset have let them off the leash a little.



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Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Notts The Return
Shepton Paul 2 07 June, 2020 17:26
Am I right in thinking Broad scored (virtual) runs against us in the game a few weeks ago? Is this the same Stuart Broad who hasn't known one end of a cricket bat from the other in recent years? I demand an investigation.

Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Notts The Return
Grockle 07 June, 2020 19:03
He used to recognise a bat.

Though he did have trouble with the concept of when he had and hadn't hit the ball at times.

Batting has certainly not been his forte any time recently in the real world. This is true.



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Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Notts The Return
Grockle 07 June, 2020 19:40
So Day 1 ends with a better position than Notts would have expected. 291 all out with Somerset at 74 for 1 by the end of the day. We've been here before this season.....



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Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Notts The Return
mikeindex 08 June, 2020 11:35
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Though he did have trouble with the concept of when he had and hadn't hit the ball at times.

Seems to me that what caused him trouble was the extraordinary discrepancy between public perceptions of edging a ball to a wicket-keeper who catches it, and edging a ball to a wicket-keeper who drops it for slip to catch on the rebound.

Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Notts The Return
Grockle 08 June, 2020 15:42
If only that was the case. But that is the difference between what happens and urban myths

The video evidence suggests something else I'm afraid. The keeper leaves it, makes no contact with the ball as it deviated to slip.

But there you go, one man's cheating is another man's optical illusion.

Quite a while ago now and he survived in the same way Smith has I suppose. People tend to forget that he got absolute stick for it, again in the same way Smith did.

Anyway....

A decent Somerset fantasy morning with the loss of Azhar for 63 and a healthy 164 for 2 at lunch on Day 2. 127 behind with 8 wickets to come. A job for Stuart to do this afternoon.



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Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Notts The Return
mikeindex 08 June, 2020 17:17
I've watched the video several times as well and there is a very clear deflection off the keeper's gloves.
Not, self-evidently, that there is the slightest difference in ethical terms between edging to the keeper and leaving the decision to the umpire, and edging to slip and doing so (someone could have tried explaining this to the Australian yobbos who booed Broad when they were accustomed to cheering on Hayden, Ponting, Symonds and all the rest of their heroes for doing exactly the same. For all I know, possibly someone did).
Yes it was a long time ago but some people clearly consider it worth bringing up again, so it seems the point needs reiterating: whatever your views on the ethics of walking/not-walking, why single out Broad for doing what 95% of batsmen in the modern game have been doing for years (including Marcus)?

Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Notts The Return
Grockle 08 June, 2020 20:16
Wagging tail gives us an extra 41 at the end of the innings and we go 84 ahead with 29 minutes at the Notts openers

No wickets unfortunately and they will start Day 3 55 behind at 29 for 0

Not a bad day. The innings moved between strong and weak but the deep tail helped and Tom Abell at 5 was vital for the second half of the game.

I've obviously seen a different film on Youtube. The keeper's gloves don't open, he simply looks to the slip. But the question really is - Did he hit it?

Yep 95% of batsmen stand, some cheat, some are unsure. It's why we have technology. Crime studies suggest that the certainty of getting caught stops illegal acts.

Sometimes it is needed and sometimes it is used because the batsmen are dishonest/unsure.

Sometimes it catches them and if the Third Umpires had the ability to change obvious errors from the on the pitch official then the technology might cause less attempts to gain unfair advantages.

Looking to justify a decision because 95% of the people might do the same is not a justification.

It just calls for more legislation to aid the umpire and the game weed out those who will not follow the rules if they can get away with it.

A cheat is a cheat and if the rules don't catch them it does not change the definition of what cheating is. Cricket does not redefine it, it's rules just don't catch it all.... yet. I don't think it matters whether his name is Marcus or not

We'll probably disagree on what ought to have happened in that situation had the umpires on the whole had more power.

They didn't and there we go.

Notts need to bat long and deep tomorrow in FantasyLand



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Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Notts The Return
mikeindex 09 June, 2020 08:49
I'm not justifying it, as you will see if you read my post a little more carefully.
What I am doing in pointing out the invidiousness and illogicality of constantly singling Broad out for something which is such common practice.

Re: FAKE 2020 CC1 Notts The Return
Grockle 09 June, 2020 09:40
Well reading posts seems to also be more than a singular issue. Further reading will also note that I didn't 'single out' Broad over others. I just noted a point about his career.

You made it an issue of a singular nature. I class the non walkers together and would like to see technology decrease the issue because as you note it affects far too many.

His was just a particularly obvious example that came up in conversation because he came up in conversation.

Like it or not, it is something he is known for because it is something he did and that's the reason it occasionally comes up as does Andy's painting and decorating career or Pete's penchant for tattoos.



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