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Re: CC v Sussex, 4-7 May 2018
chunkyinargyll 07 May, 2018 12:21
We can't even get the nightwatchman out.

Management keep saying 'We're not complacent', but sending Compo on 'gardening leave', coupled with one or two other decisions, does feel like 'giving players a chance to see what they can do', rather than picking the best side.

I'd call that being 'complacent' personally- thinking we can win, whilst leaving out Compton, Franklin (he would potentially give us more runs than Barber), and 'resting' Helm (if he absoluetly needed a rest then fair enough, but I get the feeling we think we can get promoted back to Division one whilst 'experimenting'.

Re: CC v Sussex, 4-7 May 2018
chunkyinargyll 07 May, 2018 12:23
Well, I hoped posting 'We can't even get the nightwatchman out' would produce a wicket, and it did, so I'm claiming the credit for that wicket!

Re: CC v Sussex, 4-7 May 2018
Jonathan Winsky 07 May, 2018 12:35
Tom Barber seems to be a work in progress. Perhaps it would be be better him to continue this work in the 2nd XI rather than in the spotlight of the 1st XI.

Jonathan Winsky
After our lack of big partnerships, we will surely have to prevent Sussex from building big partnerships if we are to win. Also, we will probably have to get off to a good start tomorrow, otherwise the game could get away from us

That failed to happen, as Middlesex could have done with not waiting until around 12:20pm before taking their first wicket of the day, which ended Stiaan van Zyl and Danny Briggs’ third wicket partnership of 89. Still, that left another 117 runs required for Sussex, so if wickets can fall as regularly they did during much of our second innings, then there is hope for us.

Briggs’ two innings as nightwatchman in this match have have certainly been certainly been very helpful for Sussex.

Re: CC v Sussex, 4-7 May 2018
chunkyinargyll 07 May, 2018 12:57
We're back in with a chance.

The above still applies though!

Re: CC v Sussex, 4-7 May 2018
tallliman 07 May, 2018 12:59
129/6 at lunch! We never doubted you Hilton!

Re: CC v Sussex, 4-7 May 2018
hdo 07 May, 2018 13:02
Let's not forget how many runs their last few batsmen scored on Saturday!!

Re: CC v Sussex, 4-7 May 2018
Jonathan Winsky 07 May, 2018 13:02
Perhaps it wasn’t the end of the world that Middlesex failed to take a wicket today until around 12:20pm. The day may not have got off to a good start, but we ensured that the partnerships for the fourth, fifth and sixth wickets were small.

It was a good decision to bring on Hilton Cartwright and to bring back James Harris for an over before lunch.

Re: CC v Sussex, 4-7 May 2018
mglinert 07 May, 2018 13:05
Well done the bowlers and the skipper. Win lose or draw this has been a spirited effort. All the best for the next session!!

Re: CC v Sussex, 4-7 May 2018
Rocks&Boulders 07 May, 2018 13:36
Four more wickets lads.
Ollie to get a couple.

Re: CC v Sussex, 4-7 May 2018
hdo 07 May, 2018 15:36
We couldn't afford to come out after lunch and not get stuck in straight away, but that's exactly what happened. Barber was feeding them easy runs with plenty of short and wide bowling. Robson nearly took what would've been a fantastic diving slip catch, but it wasn't to be.

Re: CC v Sussex, 4-7 May 2018
Jonathan Winsky 07 May, 2018 15:37
By suffering two defeats and recording just two batting points, it has been an unsatisfactory first four matches to Middlesex’s County Championship campaign, especially as it started well by beat Northamptonshire, and especially as we have more resources than much of division two. It is hardly doom and gloom considering we showed a lot of fight in the two defeats, but the defeats still come as a disappointment.

I suppose that what went wrong in this match was our batting collapses, and the fact we seemingly only had two specialist fast bowlers capable of taking wickets, which is never enough unless you are playing in somewhere like the sub-continent.

Re: CC v Sussex, 4-7 May 2018
LegendJMB 07 May, 2018 15:51
I believe complacency rules and has done for years. Too many players just not delivering regularly. Whilst it’s early and agree not time for doom and gloom we risk being some way off the pace in CC2 if we don’t win the next game. We only play 14 games and 4 of them gone with two defeats.

Re: CC v Sussex, 4-7 May 2018
Ivor's Tache 07 May, 2018 16:04
Not exactly the start to the season we wanted. Need to pick ourselves up for Friday. Hopefully, Ryan won't come back and haunt us.

Re: CC v Sussex, 4-7 May 2018
adelaide 07 May, 2018 16:10
I believe complacency rules and has done for years.

Does that include 2016?

I would have said that the last seven or eight years had seen complacency squeezed out, particularly once Chris Rogers came and that process culminated in a Championship win.

Complacency and quite a lot else looks to have kicked in after winning the Championship but let's not rewrite history!

Anyone who was worrying about seeing competitive cricket from our opponents this season after the Northants match can stop worrying now, I think.


Re: CC v Sussex, 4-7 May 2018
freddie tittlemouse 07 May, 2018 16:28
Certainly a wake up call if we needed one. We need to drop Robson Rayner and Barber. I would keep Cartwright for his bowling and put him at 7.
I don't imagine anybody expected Barber to get anywhere near the first team this year but for injuries.
If we fail to get promoted this season it could be pretty seismic.

Re: CC v Sussex, 4-7 May 2018
chunkyinargyll 07 May, 2018 16:43
I know I said I wanted some competitive cricket, Adelaide, but I didn't mean so competitive that we lost two of the first four matches.

The averages do not make pretty reading-


hilton Catrwright's average is even worse if you include his duck against Durham students (it was a first class match.

Dropping Robson would be a big call, but an average of 10.57 isn't clever.

Tom Barber doesn't feature in the bowling averages (I suppose you actually have to take a wicket before you have an average).

Re: CC v Sussex, 4-7 May 2018
wembleylion 07 May, 2018 17:48
We are nowhere near being good enough for promotion. The much touted "close season review" perhaps should have started with a clear out at management and coaching level, Few of our players have improved and several have gone backwards. Is Tom Barber anywhere near County Championship standard? I feel We have let better players than him go, but perhaps someone knows something I don't.

Re: CC v Sussex, 4-7 May 2018
chunkyinargyll 07 May, 2018 17:56
I think we have been seduced by the fact the speed gun has clocked him at 96 mph.

But it's no good if you can't hit the stumps.

Re: CC v Sussex, 4-7 May 2018
LegendJMB 07 May, 2018 18:13
I do think there has been a complacent air at the Club for a while. I agree this has improved and CR was a big factor in making us competitive. I think part of the evidence of complacency is that he’s never really been replaced. I haven’t been someone calling for changes in coaches and players. I think we have a good squad which makes the underperformance last year and so far this season hard to understand. However, I would suggest that if you look at the performances in all 3 competitions over a long time they haven’t, in general, been very good. 2016 was an amazing and unforgettable year where we played great cricket but that does stand as a ‘one off’ at this point if looked at in the longer term. I would suggest that being successful doesn’t mean that there is no complacency. I think my football Club, Arsenal, have been similar for a while but have won 3 F A Cups. Hopefully, things can be turned around but it’s hard to be too optimistic.

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