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Middlesex v Surrey, 8th August
Discussion started by Jonathan Winsky , 06 August, 2019 19:02
Middlesex v Surrey, 8th August
Jonathan Winsky 06 August, 2019 19:02
As the date of this match will be 08/08, it would be great if Middlesex could achieve their first double over Surrey since ‘08 to put us into an excellent position to reach the knockout stages for just the second time since then. Surrey have only won once in six matches, although they would surely double their win tally in this match if we underestimate a team that includes Aaron Finch, Imran Tahir, Sam Curran (who has been allowed to play in this match), Tom Curran and a few other players excellently-suited to this format.

We have named the same bowling line-up for all six matches so far, but we might feel tempted to make changes, as Steven Finn’s figures in our last two matches have been 8-0-102-4 and he has a competition economy of 10.04, and Toby Roland-Jones’ figures in our last two matches have been 5.2-0-79-1 and he has a competition economy of 9.67. I imagine that the next three fast bowlers in line will be James Harris, Tom Barber (who took 7 wickets in his first 2 appearances in our Twenty20 campaign when selected in 2018, before ending the campaign with a less impressive tally of 9 wickets in 7 matches) and Ethan Bamber in that order. Or we could play an extra batsman and make up the overs with part-time bowling, but I am uncertain of the wisdom of such an idea, although at least it would help our batting were we to lose our fifth wicket inside the first 15 overs. This will be our first of three matches inside four days, so if our run of having not made any changes to our bowling line-up doesn’t come to an end in this match, it could come to an end at some point in the next few days.

This will be AB de Villiers’ final group stage match for us. I saw a graphic while watching today’s West Indies v India Twenty20 international which said that only two other players had hit more sixes in domestic or Twenty20 cricket combined in 2019 than de Villers, a feat helped by his 9 maximums v Somerset at Richmond on Sunday. The way he has drawn followers to the club brings me in mind of an interview Sanjay Patel, managing director of The Hundred, gave to The Cricketer, in which he responded to doubts about how English supporters will form allegiances to teams by saying “The No.1 thing that people follow is individual players. If we have brilliant players fans will follow them. I have seen that in the IPL. Every single fan gets excited when MS Dhoni walks out. People follow players first and then develop allegiances with the teams they play in”. My response to these comments would be to ask whether people tend to retain their allegiances once the player who attracted them to the team leaves, as I can’t see the de Villiers fan club taking much of an interest in Middlesex during the second half of the group stages of our Twenty20 campaign or during our remaining County Championship matches, not that their absence would necessarily be a bad thing!

This match will be live on Sky, so my mum will know exactly when the match has finished.

Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 11/08/2019 17:50 by London Leprechaun.

Re: Middlesex v Surrey, 8th August
chunkyinargyll 06 August, 2019 19:27
Re your penultimate paragraph, JW- It seems true asian fans get behind a player, and couldn't care less who he plays for (the hero worship of AB on our Facebook page), but english fans are not going to say, 'Wow Jos Buttler/Ben stokes is playing, so that is the team I support. And they won't physically get off their backsides and follow them all over the country if they aren't playing for their counties.

The mistake all along is thinking what might work elsewhere will work in the UK.

I'd like to see James Harris play ahead of Steven Finn on Thursday. He could hardly get carted for more runs, and is an upgrade as a batsman.

Re: Middlesex v Surrey, 8th August
freddie tittlemouse 06 August, 2019 19:33
Or let Stirling/Malan bowl. They can hardly be more expensive than Finn/TRJ.

Re: Middlesex v Surrey, 8th August
Seaxe_man1 07 August, 2019 11:24
JW. Wednesday and only a few tickets left for Radlett where AB ain't playing. Uxbridge moving slowly but before the Abu's get on their case, giving that venue a date on Saturday in the footie season plus club cricket day don't help any. However if we stay in the frame by that game, with AB liable to be available for the QF, then walk ups could be of benefit.

Re: Middlesex v Surrey, 8th August
Jonathan Winsky 07 August, 2019 17:44
It seems unlikely that Middlesex’s XI for this match will be much different from that which played v Somerset at Richmond on Sunday, as we have named a 14-man squad for this match consisting of Dawid Malan (captain), Tom Barber, AB de Villiers, Stephen Eskinazi, Steven Finn, Tom Helm, Dan Lincoln, Eoin Morgan, Toby Roland-Jones, George Scott, John Simpson (wicket-keeper), Nathan Sowter, Paul Stirling and Mujeeb ur Rahman.

If we intend to make any changes to our bowling line-up, then the only possible replacement we have is Barber, who has been included ahead of James Harris, who I expected would have had a chance of playing. If we intend to make any changes to our batting line-up, then it would come as a surprise, although recalling Scott would give us an extra bowling option if it is felt that an over or two from him would go better than continuing with one of our main bowlers.

The article announcing our squad suggests that it has already been agreed that de Villiers would return for the knockout stages were we to get there.

Surrey have named a 14-man squad for this match consisting of Jade Dernbach (captain), Gareth Batty, Scott Borthwick, Jordan Clark, Rikki Clarke, Sam Curran, Tom Curran, Aaron Finch, Ben Foakes (wicket-keeper), Will Jacks, Ryan Patel, Ollie Pope, Mark Stoneman and Imran Tahir. They will be without Rory Burns, Jason Roy (both England duty), Liam Plunkett (thumb) ad Morne Morkel (rested).

Finn has spoken to ECB Reporters Network ahead of this match.

Re: Middlesex v Surrey, 8th August
BeefyRoberts 07 August, 2019 20:35
Will have to depend on the sky coverage tomorrow as working nightshift.
A strong squad,maybe Harris left out in readiness for the upcoming County game vs Sussex?
Good luck to all tomorrow,and let's send the Mexicans back south of the border sulking with their Senoritas following closely behind.

Re: Middlesex v Surrey, 8th August
chunkyinargyll 07 August, 2019 20:41
There was a funny crowd scene at the test the other day, with a blow up Donald Trump in a nappy being pursued by half a dozen mexicans with clubs.

Re: Middlesex v Surrey, 8th August
Seaxe_man1 07 August, 2019 20:50
Yes chunky. I noticed the army of Mexicans replete with sombreros and ponchos. It's catching on.

Re: Middlesex v Surrey, 8th August
pantherlike 08 August, 2019 20:09
And Finn gets a 5-fer!

Great to see that he appears to have sorted out his action.

From a personal perspective: being on holiday in Switzerland this week, tonight has been one of the first games I’ve listened to completion for a number of years. Hard to do in Oz when there’s work the next day!

Go Middle!

Re: Middlesex v Surrey, 8th August
adelaide 08 August, 2019 20:21
Nice to see Surrey performing as a tribute act. A tribute to Middlesex 2018, that is.


Re: Middlesex v Surrey, 8th August
Bring back the Crusaders 08 August, 2019 21:17
Anyone want to predict how many points to make the quarter finals

Re: Middlesex v Surrey, 8th August
chunkyinargyll 08 August, 2019 21:24
Bring back the Crusaders
Anyone want to predict how many points to make the quarter finals

16, but to be on safe side, 18, so 4 wins out of remaining 7 matches should do it. Maybe 3 more wins would be enough, but might come down to run rate.

Re: Middlesex v Surrey, 8th August
Jonathan Winsky 08 August, 2019 22:39
In some ways, this was a similar match to when Middlesex played Somerset at Richmond on Sunday, as we once again posted a bit more than 200 with AB de Villiers making a great contribution, then found ourselves feeling grateful that we had that many runs to defend, before going on to do the main thing, which was to win. But that is where the similarities end, as our best batsmen tonight (other than de Villiers) were different to our best batsmen on Sunday, and our bowlers had two contrasting matches.

When Surrey reached 95-1 after 8.4 overs with a run rate of 10.96 and rate required of 10.23, I was getting worried, and felt that we would need a couple of cheap overs or - even better - a wicket or two, otherwise Surrey would win. Thankfully, Nathan Sowter then took the big wicket of Aaron Finch.

When Surrey were 113-2 after 11 overs, Steven Finn was introduced for the first time, and Toby Roland-Jones bowled the following over having previously bowled one over. At that point, I was worried that they would be expensive for the third match running and thus leave us out of other options to turn the match our way. Thankfully, I was proven spectacularly wrong! It was remarkable how the wickets fell and the runs were stemmed during this period. I expected we would make changes to our bowling line-up at some point this week, but maybe we won’t.

Well done to Steven Finn on taking 5-16, especially after the difficulties he has had. Some people might have doubted he would get a bowl, as five bowlers had been introduced before he came on for the 12th over, and it is far from unknown for Middlesex to include a specialist bowler in their line-up and then not bowl them. However, unless we bowled another two overs from Paul Stirling and/or Dawid Malan, it was inevitable that Finn would have to bowl at some point.

Lower Mound recorded Sky’s coverage of this match, and decided to play it as soon as we arrived home. This enabled me to hear an interview de Villiers did with Sky prior to this match, and he hinted that he will return later during the group stage, while he also explained that the reason why he can’t play the whole group stage is because he has a couple of commitments back in South Africa. I am brought in mind of when Adam Gilchrist signed in 2010, as that was initially for just matches at Lord’s and I think one match at Richmond, before everyone realised it would be humanly possible for him to play more than just those matches, meaning he ended up signing for a few more matches.

Returning to the subject of differences between Sunday and tonight, another was that on Sunday it was a bit of a disappointment that John Simpson faced the final seven balls of the innings at de Villiers’ expense, but tonight a lot of people were longing for Simmo to face during the final over, in which he only faced one ball, although I can’t be too disappointed with the over considering it yielded 10 runs thanks to TRJ hitting the first ball for six.

I think that a lot of people had problems getting to Lord's tonight due to someone trespassing at Willesden Green and due to the Northern line and Watford DC line having problems too. Lower Mound had problems getting there, but arrived eventually, but I don't think I had it bad, as my Metropolitan line train was between Great Portland Street and Baker Street when it stopped in a tunnel for about five minutes before terminating at Baker Street, from where I walked to Lord's.

Richard Hobson has produced a report of tonight for Cricinfo.

Finn has spoken to our YouTube page about tonight:

Re: Middlesex v Surrey, 8th August
chunkyinargyll 09 August, 2019 06:55
To pick up on a couple of Jonathan's points-

AB did indeed say he might be back for last couple of group matches, but on commentary they stick to the 'available if Middlesex get to the knockout stages line.

I'm sure AB will be right. Probably his deal was of we had no chance of making the quarter-finals he wouldn't come back (and save us a few bob) or he would come back if we cpuld still qualfy.

Another possibility was he is paid by the match. Because of his finger injury, so far he has only played five, instead of the intended seven matches, so maybe AB's way of not letting us down is to make up for the two games he missed by playing the last two group matches.

Bowling Stirling before Finn had his first bowl was genius by Malan, It kept Finn away from Finch, and also meant if he had a bad day Malan could say, 'One of the bowlers couldn't bowl his full allocation, because Stirling had already had a bowl'

Not only was Steve Finn at his best, but strategically he was used better last night, not coming on until the danger man had departed.

Re: Middlesex v Surrey, 8th August
Seaxe_man1 09 August, 2019 07:48
Good to see the two popular villains Finny and Morgs had a good night. Morgan and AB set our record fourth wicket partnership and Finny with his best figures. Mexicans collapse from 95 for one led to a Mexican fire drill. Sowter got some tap but got the vital wicket of Finch. After that, Mx took over. Huge crowd mebbe 29000 or thereabouts.

Re: Middlesex v Surrey, 8th August
Seaxe_man1 09 August, 2019 07:54
Correction. Official crowd 27773 a domestic T20 record though it looked and felt like more.

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