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Re: Lancashire 16-19th September 2019
chunkyinargyll 19 September, 2019 14:21
Freddie-

Unless you know differently, I don't think Tim Murtagh has decided between us and Ireland yet, which I think is part of the reason we are giving Cummins three games as an audition in case he leaves.

Re: Lancashire 16-19th September 2019
Scotnham 19 September, 2019 14:27
Hear, hear. Andersson looked good with both bat and ball when he came into the side towards the end of last season. Hopefully he now stays injury free and is given a proper chance next season to establish himself in the side.

Re: Lancashire 16-19th September 2019
freddie tittlemouse 19 September, 2019 15:31
If we add Lace and Anderson to the mix plus Angus Fraser's phantom overseas star there should be competition for batting places next season and people cease to be undroppable



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Re: Lancashire 16-19th September 2019
chunkyinargyll 19 September, 2019 16:29
It looks like we've had two points deducted (presumably for slow over rate)

(Sm60)

Maybe one of the things they could work on this winter is a shorter run up for TRJ.

Re: Lancashire 16-19th September 2019
Ebor Gooner 19 September, 2019 17:04
Chunky, I think it was a points deduction for impersonating professional top order batsmen. 😉

Re: Lancashire 16-19th September 2019
Deckchair 19 September, 2019 17:35
"We've played on some good wickets but the new ball has done enough and we probably haven't played it as well as we could have done."
So says Captain Duck Malan after abject loss to Lancashire
It is good to know that they have finally identified the problem at last. It has eluded me all season.

Re: Lancashire 16-19th September 2019
Seaxe_man1 19 September, 2019 17:56
To thrive we need a solid opening partnership who can bat 25/30 overs and see off the new ball thereby not exposing the following batsmen to the new ball which happens all the time. When we have, things will get better. Martin Andersson star of the second innings with support from James Harris. Barbados type weather today



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Re: Lancashire 16-19th September 2019
Ebor Gooner 19 September, 2019 18:05
Just listened to Malan post match interview. He sounds far more upbeat than after the previous defeat, and talks about batsmen having a bad season, and being in a position to win games, only to lose the vital moments. I might just be feeling the disappointment of (another) poor season, but from what I've seen we look a million miles away from challenging for promotion.

I do think we have talented players, but for whatever reason, they have failed to perform for a number of years, and under a variety of leaders. It's going to take major surgery, not just minor adjustments, to put this right. Top order runs, in particular are vital. Particularly in our first innings. Maybe Tom Lace can help next season? It's probably going to require personnel change rather than relying on several batsmen to turn around a few years of underachievement. Wonder what line up we will see in the final match?

Re: Lancashire 16-19th September 2019
Jonathan Winsky 19 September, 2019 18:11
I am stunned at how Middlesex messed up this run chase, as our top order exceeded my expectations and gave us a great foundation by getting the score to the dizzy heights of 55 before our fifth wicket fell, which was more than double the score we had reached at the corresponding stage in the first innings. And then Martin Andersson and James Harris put on 81 for the sixth wicket. So, I can’t really blame our top seven for this defeat. I suppose that something we need to work on in the winter is seeing whether we can score runs throughout the side, as we need to work out how to get ourselves up to good totals when - as happened today - our last few in our batting order don’t contribute.

I imagine that Andersson will be very satisfied with his innings in his first 1st XI appearance of the season, as the 2019 season started with the hope that he would feature extensively in our 1st XI, but his injury meant that the season has ended up being almost a write-off for him. Form and fitness permitting, hopefully 2020 will see him being a mainstay of our side and contribute with the ball as well as the bat.

After we suffered points deductions for a slow over rate in each season between 2014 and 2017 but did not incur any deductions in 2018, I am very disappointed that we have now reverted to type. Maybe our players are beyond caring as a result of team performances.

We are going to finish somewhere between 15th and 17th in the County Championship, which is a big fall from where we were three years ago.

Dawid Malan’s comments can be heard here.

Re: Lancashire 16-19th September 2019
chunkyinargyll 19 September, 2019 18:16
Glamorgan and Hampshire each had a point deducted in this round, so maybe umpires were told to be tougher.

Kevin Hand didn't seem to think it would be an issue, as he didn't mention the possibility of a deduction at any stage today.

Re: Lancashire 16-19th September 2019
dingy bags 19 September, 2019 18:53
A few random thoughts from me. I saw the first three days and this was my first visit to Old Trafford.

The ground is a bit of a hotch potch and won't be disturbing my top ten favourite venues. The members, with a few exceptions, were not as friendly as at many other grounds. The pitch produced four good days of cricket. Some might see it as a new ball wicket but there was certainly a big difference between what happened when we batted both times and what happened when Lanky did. There seemed a real prospect of a two day finish when we left the ground on the first evening (never good when people have booked hotels and transport for three of four days}.

Both sides played a specialist leg spinner, which does not happen very often in the modern championship. Makes for more interesting watching _ the ball Parkinson bowled Harry with first innings was a classic leggy dismissal.

Simmo's innings will live long in the memory, not forgetting the help he had. from the tail. Sowter plays some shots like a specialist batsman, especially through the covers. This was the reason why the game went deep into Day 4. (I am sorry to have missed Martin Andersson's knock today.)

Max contiunes to be shunted up and down the order and in and out of the side.

Ethan Bamber bowled better and better as the game went on, running in hard and straight. He could have had more wickets.

Cummins, potentially at least, adds something different to our attack and could be an asset if, as is rumoured, we are thinking of signing him for next season. Others of our seamers are either getting on a bit (well, in one case, at least) or have dodgy injury records.

You ain't gonna win many games of cricket on a decent track when your top four are effectively 33-8 in the match, even if your last four get you over 100 runs.

Re: Lancashire 16-19th September 2019
hdo 19 September, 2019 22:24
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..... when your top four are effectively 33-8 in the match.... .

Robson scored 22 of those 33, and he wasn't out in the first innings either. He's the one I feel sorry for.

Re: Lancashire 16-19th September 2019
Ebor Gooner 20 September, 2019 00:07
Next season we could start Lace, Robson, Holden, Malan, Andersson, Simpson, Harris, Roland-Jones, Bamber/Helm, Sowter, Murtagh. That leaves Gubbins, Scott and Eskinazi as back up batsmen with Flinn and Cummins to rotate the seamers. Robbie White reserve keeper (and hopefully pushing Simmo hard for his spot). Can't possibly do worse than we've done this season. At least I'd feel we were making progress for the future.

My fear is that we will give the "old guard" one more chance and I don't believe we will sign an overseas batsman. I suspect we will actually field Robson, Gubbins, Eskinazi, Malan, Holden/Lace/Andersson/Scott, Simpson, Harris, Roland-Jenkins, Sowter, Finn, Murtagh. And I really, really, really hope I'm wrong - but I foresee another season of underachievement and disappointment.

Re: Lancashire 16-19th September 2019
Seaxe_man1 20 September, 2019 06:27
Lanky bowled well as have others. However 34 for 6 and 3 for 3 tells you we have a major problem negotiating the new ball. As I said earlier. A recurring problem which until we solve that means top order runs will remain scarce.

Re: Lancashire 16-19th September 2019
freddie tittlemouse 20 September, 2019 08:15
Looking on the bright side we are highly unlikely to be disrupted by England calls next season.

Re: Lancashire 16-19th September 2019
MiddleToWest 20 September, 2019 08:43
From Cricinfo. "Bailey ... completed the ninth five-wicket haul of his career, five of which have been secured against Middlesex."

And was it Jones who only ever scores runs against us?

Lancashire will be disappointed that we're not joining them in division one.

Re: Lancashire 16-19th September 2019
hdo 20 September, 2019 08:58
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MiddleToWest
From Cricinfo. "Bailey ... completed the ninth five-wicket haul of his career, five of which have been secured against Middlesex."
And was it Jones who only ever scores runs against us?

Indeed. I never seem to hear or read about Bailey unless he's playing against us. And I seem to recall Jones was the relatively unknown and unheralded batsman who effortlessly scored his first ton against us last season when wickets were falling at the other end.

Re: Lancashire 16-19th September 2019
chunkyinargyll 20 September, 2019 09:23
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freddie tittlemouse
Looking on the bright side we are highly unlikely to be disrupted by England calls next season.

Looking on the bright side at least we won't have to listen to Bob Hunt commentating for Gloucestershire in the championship next year.

Re: Lancashire 16-19th September 2019
MB 20 September, 2019 11:25
We seem to have major issues addressing recurring problems

Over Rate
Negotiating the new ball

to name 2



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Re: Lancashire 16-19th September 2019
Jonathan Winsky 20 September, 2019 17:37
As I often say, I have a habit of scrolling to the bottom of the Cricinfo scorecard at the end of County Championship matches to see whether Middlesex have or have not incurred any point deductions. One of the disappointing things about us incurring a deduction in this match is that Nathan Sowter did a decent amount of bowling, which meant that I had less fear than I would have had if we bowled little or no overs of spin, and it also meant that I didn’t bother looking at the bottom of the scorecard before visiting this thread yesterday. Therefore, I was surprised to find that we had suffered a deduction.

James Harris has spoken to ECB Reporters Network about how his season has gone.

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