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It's all about culture
Discussion started by Middlesex till we die , 30 September, 2019 22:13
It's all about culture
Middlesex till we die 30 September, 2019 22:13
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 14/10/2019 21:39 by London Leprechaun.

Re: It's all about culture
hdo 30 September, 2019 22:49
Well, I might be more easily placated than some other members, but I'm fairly happy with most of that. However, actions speak louder than words, so let's see what happens next season.

I know it pretty much says so above, but I'll ask anyway - was it directly confirmed that Murtagh is staying?

Re: It's all about culture
adelaide 30 September, 2019 23:36
"It's the pitches fault" - that was one of the skipper's refrains, wasn't it?

Interesting that negative dressing room comments are now presented as coming from batsmen who are out rather than from those waiting to go in. I would have thought that comments about how the wicket is playing would be useful to the rest but there is a difference between a despairing comment and one that it is constructive - such as - he's swinging it late so think about batting out of your crease.

While cutting run ups sounds good, wasn't that one of the reasons why Finn lost form? It won't sort all bowlers. Less faffing about with the field during overs, never mind in between them - and get back to your mark quicker.

I'm not too keen about the comments on some signings being unable to cope with living in London. You are unlikely to know that in advance so it comes across as an excuse not to sign anyone. I note that it hasn't stopped Surrey signing players regularly, though arguably some of them have not reproduced their form from elsewhere.

As for wanting to be a big fish in a small pond, we're looking like a pretty small puddle at the moment.

All in all, it leaves me unconvinced that the hierarchy has properly come to terms with the huge increase in mobility in the game.

TRJ and Helm on the England radar? Sounds like Kevin Hand drafted that bit.


Adelaide

Re: It's all about culture
chunkyinargyll 01 October, 2019 06:33
Playing for a London club does create problems.

Play for teams like Somerset Derbyshire, Kent (in fact anywhere else) and I expect the first thing a new player does is buy a flat or house within 5 miles of the ground. They can then get to work in 10 minutes, and a nice easy meeting point if the club arrange a coach to travel to an away game (to save stress and driver tiredness if it is an important T20 match the day after a home game)

Our players seem to be strung out all over the place. Some living in the country (Bucks) whilst Chiswick and Barnet might both be in 'Middlesex' but try driving from one to the other in the rush hour.

So- if you hire a coach (I know we don't normally) where do yo start from? Make everyone spend an hour or more getting to Lord's first, or say Uxbridge (easy access to M25 and M40).

The problem is you need to be a millionaire to buy a property in St John's Wood which must make player recruitment and retention harder than other counties.

Re: It's all about culture
BeefyRoberts 01 October, 2019 06:43
Agree with Adelaide about some being unable to cope with living in London,how do other Counties manage being based in large cities?
It does look like,from the report,that Murts will still be gracing us with his presence next year.
More games at Lords....does that put any outgrounds at risk,as stated 50 over games could be at Lords as well?
Signing someone will deny a player his place?...called competition for places,healthy if used properly by the backroom staff!
And,finally,it looks like the Lawman is going to sort out the over rate,in sure the lesser spotted batting points will be sorted as well.

Thanks for an in depth report,sadly missed forum.
We wait to see who will enter our club now!

Re: It's all about culture
Seaxe_man1 01 October, 2019 06:43
Quote of the night. Captain Cook was an Irishman. Another bloke sounded off on Northants and Gloucester who he reckoned shouldn't be promoted ahead of Mx. It was because they they played better cricket mate. Sounded like a 6.06 caller who was exasperated that Man U didn't win every week



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Re: It's all about culture
Seaxe_man1 01 October, 2019 06:49
Agree with you Adelaide re Joe Denly. Like many from that era. Not used properly. Poor judgement by someone who wouldn't know a player if he fell over him.. Joe said he was happy to stay but no contract way offered from my memory.

Re: It's all about culture
Seaxe_man1 01 October, 2019 06:55
Plus likely 6 cc games and a further T20 at Lord's. Enquired later as to whether that means more money. Told yes. Would hope so as it is another seven figure night for MCC.

Re: It's all about culture
chunkyinargyll 01 October, 2019 07:56
Re the negative comments.

What is a player supposed to do when he is out cheaply?

Go back to the dressing room, swear a lot, and throw his bat through the window?

Say nothing, and sit in the corner and sulk?

Say 'That was entirely my fault I'm a useless xxxx'

or 'The ball is swinging all over the place?'

Maybe it would help if he added 'but finding a way to get through these difficult passages of play is essential if I am to retain my place in the side and become a better player. I'm eager to learn. How do I stop this xxxx Robinson getting me out?'

Re: It's all about culture
Seaxe_man1 01 October, 2019 08:52
Sowter to be number one spinner.

Re: It's all about culture
Seaxe_man1 01 October, 2019 11:27
A couple of other things. Mike O'Farrell said after lobbying, counties to receive 300 grand extra to invest in county cricket. Said ECB denied 8 county franchise setup and wanted all 18 to thrive. MTS likely location of 7th cc match. Not great on member facilities but reachable on Met Line.

Re: It's all about culture
freddie tittlemouse 01 October, 2019 13:32
The Times review of the season today stated that Middlesex should show contrition for their sorry performance. Sounds as if contrition was pretty thinly spread.
As for cricketers unable to settle in London this is as pathetic as it gets. Millions of people have to commute and don't have the luxury of living in St John's Wood. Somebody tell Jo Denly that Kent isn't exactly the Hebrides. This reminds me of Emburey's excuses for not signing players that nobody could afford to live in London.

Re: It's all about culture
chunkyinargyll 01 October, 2019 13:37
It is a factor though, FT.

In some parts of the Uk you can buy a 3 bed house for 150k

You couldn't even get a garden shed for that in Greater London, and we know we are in the 'middle range' when it comes to what we can afford on players salaries.

S_M I know you are a Sowter fan, and he is good in white ball cricket. So far he has seen off both Patel and Rayner, so hopefully his red ball form will justify that faith.

Re: It's all about culture
Seaxe_man1 01 October, 2019 13:52
I think Sowter is a good cricketer who gives 100%. Both those you mentioned were not seen off by him. The first was not a favourite of the then coaching staff. The second was a favourite with the previous regime. My point with regard to Nathan is, merely that he is given more of a chance than his immediate predecessor got. If you saw his first up knock at OT. Some decent square cutting and driving were on show.

Re: It's all about culture
snicko 01 October, 2019 14:06
Sowter played as our frontline spinner in Championship matches and returned 14 wickets at an average of 46 !

Very valid points made re housing costs. Despite the salary caps for Middlesex and Surrey being in excess of the other 16 Counties, you won’t get much within Zone 4 for £600,000 (which would pay for a large detached house with garden in most other counties).

Wouldn’t have thought that many of the Middlesex squad are earning in excess of £100,000. You do the maths.

Players do have to make lifestyle choices.

Re: It's all about culture
freddie tittlemouse 01 October, 2019 14:20
Essex is not exactly the sticks and they seem to be coping quite well.

Re: It's all about culture
snicko 01 October, 2019 14:29
Quote:
freddie tittlemouse
Essex is not exactly the sticks and they seem to be coping quite well.

I suggest you search Zoopla and look at properties circa £600,000 in and around Chelmsford. No comparison.

Re: It's all about culture
Lifer 01 October, 2019 14:32
Quote:
freddie tittlemouse
The Times review of the season today stated that Middlesex should show contrition for their sorry performance. Sounds as if contrition was pretty thinly spread.
As for cricketers unable to settle in London this is as pathetic as it gets. Millions of people have to commute and don't have the luxury of living in St John's Wood. Somebody tell Jo Denly that Kent isn't exactly the Hebrides. This reminds me of Emburey's excuses for not signing players that nobody could afford to live in London.

The point made was that London can be a cold unfriendly place if you live a long way from the other players and do not meet socially. Those who play for say Somerset tend to live within 20 mins of the ground.
It may only be a small point but it does help team bonding and spirit.

Similarly about not coming back to the dressing room and not saying no one can play that. Its ok to say the umpire is blind but not other kinds of negativity especially when you have young players in the side.
Again a small point but one Law wants changed.

Re: It's all about culture
freddie tittlemouse 01 October, 2019 15:24
Quote:
snicko
Quote:
freddie tittlemouse
Essex is not exactly the sticks and they seem to be coping quite well.

I suggest you search Zoopla and look at properties circa £600,000 in and around Chelmsford. No comparison.

They do not need to live in Central London! Has this all become a factor in the last 3 years and caused us to slide from 1st to 16th? Come off it.

Re: It's all about culture
adelaide 01 October, 2019 15:28
Quote:
freddie tittlemouse
The Times review of the season today stated that Middlesex should show contrition for their sorry performance. Sounds as if contrition was pretty thinly spread.
As for cricketers unable to settle in London this is as pathetic as it gets. Millions of people have to commute and don't have the luxury of living in St John's Wood. Somebody tell Jo Denly that Kent isn't exactly the Hebrides. This reminds me of Emburey's excuses for not signing players that nobody could afford to live in London.

Freddie

It isn't something you can just throw a switch on and then everything is OK. Some people are really unhappy in London despite expecting to like it. Others find that they love it despite expecting to loathe it. They didn't know that before they moved there, nor did their employers. In the worst cases it can lead to depression or other forms of mental stress (I've seen it). Telling anyone, cricketer or otherwise, to just "pull themselves together" is not the answer. If that person is able to move elsewhere to pursue their living and be happier, that is what they should do.

Of course that should not be used as an excuse not to think about signing players from elsewhere, which was part of the vibe I got form the forum report but youm do have to be preared for some to go pear-shaped.


Adelaide

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