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Discussion started by chunkyinargyll , 08 October, 2019 06:31
Exclusively wrong
chunkyinargyll 08 October, 2019 06:31
Surprised The Telegraph haven't taken this report down.

From last week- Nick Hoult- England appoint Gary Kirsten as head coach.


Elsewhere it is suggested Kirsten gave an abysmally poor presentation and that cost him the top job.

Congratulations to Chris Silverwood on his appointment as England head coach.


Re: Exclusively wrong
Seaxe_man1 08 October, 2019 09:22
Accuracy ain't a media virtue chunky. Being first with a headline is. Plus never let the facts get in the way of a good story. Hoult btw a big fan of the 100.

Re: Exclusively wrong
Fozzie 09 October, 2019 09:39
This month's issue of The Cricketer includes the Power League, "50 people who make English cricket tick". Nick Hoult is in there at #48 as "the breaker of cricket news par excellence". Clearly, as SM suggests, getting the scoop matters rather more than getting the facts right.

Good luck to Chris Silverwood, though I hope undue weight was not given to the quality or otherwise of Kirsten's presentation as opposed to his track record.

Re: Exclusively wrong
chunkyinargyll 09 October, 2019 12:04
Someone at the ECB must have leaked the information to journalists. Maybe it was a 'semi-authorised' leak to create a bit of interest, so 'England expected to appoint Gary Kirsten' stories appeared all over the place, followed a few days later by 'England expected to appoint Chris Silverwood tomorrow' stories.

ECB leaking like that makes themselves look just as stupid as the journalists who jumped the gun, because annoyed journalists wanted to know why they had been given duff info, leaving the leaker no choice but to justify the duff info by saying , 'It was going to be Kirsten, but he blew it with a poor interview and poor presentation'

That must annoy both Kirsten and Silverwood, who was clearly second choice until the interview.

Re: Exclusively wrong
dingy bags 09 October, 2019 18:34
Apparently, not impressive at interview. Given the remit is to re-energise the test side, perhaps he was asked if he was a fan of the Hundread and expressed the view it would harm that process. Hope he did.

Re: Exclusively wrong
Seaxe_man1 18 March, 2020 17:35
Fozzie. Nick Hoult now the main man on Telegraph as Scyld Berry has been put out to grass. Hoult as the norm in the sports section has an agenda with Joe Denly. Going on for months that he should be replaced. Another portion today. Looks like a guy with favourites and villain's. Mind you Berry was past it. Obsessed with The Ashes, the rest of cricket passed him by. He has just noticed after 90 years that NZ have improved. A number of their players would make the England squad imho.

Re: Exclusively wrong
Primrose Hillbilly 19 March, 2020 10:38
These reporters with their hobby horse selections (or antipathies) are very tedious.

Stephen Jones in the Sunday Times with Simon Shaw, then Luther Burrell, and whoever his latest one is, has wasted more column inches than should have been allowed for the reputation of the whole editorial team. How much did it influence selection?

What these eejits fail to appreciate is that while they are reporting exclusively on weekend professional sports, and offering their very subjective opinions, the whole network of a dedicated player production system is quietly getting on with things.

A recent talk given by Ed Smith at Tonbridge highlighted that his job is much more totemic than might appear. By the time he is presented with the choice between "A" and "B" as selections, the hard work - the statistical analysis, the analysis of technique and personality etc... has already been done, and there is a lot less uncertainty about these things. His is almost a gut feel choice between two very probable proven certs. The days of a poor Mark Lathwell being thrown in at the deep end to face a rampant Australian side, to never, ever, be seen again, may well be long gone. In similar fashion, what chances Dawid being recalled, now the young guns have started proving themselves at Test level?

Mind you, Zak Crawley ........very out of left field, but, 'hem, hem, where did he go to school, Ed? ............................Just saying . Mind you, his Test ton is in the book, so the gut hunch paid off there.

Re: Exclusively wrong
Seaxe_man1 19 March, 2020 16:10
Sums up my view PH. If they were a little more flexible view wise it would help. As it is, they are a little too certain. The punchline being when recommendation blows it, they talk in the third party. Not me guv. Mark Lathwell saga I recall. Followed the usual clamour.

Re: Exclusively wrong
Primrose Hillbilly 19 March, 2020 17:53
Closer to home, the one I feel really deserved a better chance, and at least be given a couple of home Tests to see what he could do in slightly less foreign conditions, instead of making his Test debut in India in the mid - seventies and then getting binned forever was Graeme Barlow.

Mind you, the secret of winning trophies then was to have a team of players not quite good enough to be regularly selected for England. We had a few of them, then !!!

Re: Exclusively wrong
adelaide 19 March, 2020 18:22
Primrose Hillbilly
Mind you, the secret of winning trophies then was to have a team of players not quite good enough to be regularly selected for England. We had a few of them, then !!!

Even more so now, PH, given that you scarcely see your internationals. Essex a case in point; also Surrey 2018 vs 2019 perhaps.


Re: Exclusively wrong
Seaxe_man1 29 March, 2020 11:58
I agree PH re Graham Barlow. He, not alone, was thrown to the wolves with great rapidity. A favourite, should I say that Mx player of mine. His 158 v Lanky in Nat West in 1984 I think, was superb. Came down the wicket to Jack Simmons and took him to the cleaners.

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