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Ashley Giles in the Times
Discussion started by Westrock , 18 December, 2019 11:26
Ashley Giles in the Times
Westrock 18 December, 2019 11:26
Back to one division and games to be played in the summer months more points for batting long what’s this Tom foolery he must be in the wrong job [www.thetimes.co.uk]

Re: Ashley Giles in the Times
adelaide 18 December, 2019 11:58
While I can see that two divisions encourages short term thinking, one division discourages competitiveness, as half the counties would have little to play for in the last few matches.


Adelaide

Re: Ashley Giles in the Times
BeefyRoberts 18 December, 2019 15:54
I dont think Giles has thought this mad idea through!
2 divisions bring more competition to the games,plenty in the season gone had points tonight for and to win trophies or promotion.
Some of our games have had so much riding on them...the relegation match at Lancashire couple of years ago to name just one.If Giles (probably brainwashed by ecb) gets his way,all these games wont be played at seen again.
An easy way to make games more attractive.....move the fixtures to a decent time of year,and dont play them at the end of Spring and start of Autumn.
No need to change the points scoring.
Finally,a message to the ecb.....Leave things as they are,and for goodness sake STOP altering our wonderful game,that is all we ask.

Re: Ashley Giles in the Times
Jonathan Winsky 18 December, 2019 17:57
The switch from one division to two divisions in 2000 had several drawbacks, as roughly half of the counties start the season unable to win the County Championship title, it makes it harder for teams to plan long-term, and some supporters can go a long time without seeing their team face a certain opponent. However, I believe that the consensus is that these negatives have been outweighed by the positives, as having two divisions has made the Championship considerably more interesting than in the days when several counties had little to play for once they realised that they were not in title contention, and it was hailed as one of the reasons why England went from the shambles of the 1990’s to Ashes winners in 2005.

To revert to one division would certainly make the Championship a less interesting competition to follow, while we would have to see what effect it would have on England’s performances.

There are probably a few things ECB could do if they wish for the Championship to come close to resembling Test cricket. However, I am not sure if that could be achieved by pitting teams against opponents who have little to play for.

Re: Ashley Giles in the Times
Seaxe_man1 18 December, 2019 22:02
Adelaide and Beefy spot on. The Giles plan non competitive from start of July, most going through the motions with likely fall in revenue. Imagine the 91 footie clubs in one division.

Re: Ashley Giles in the Times
Primrose Hillbilly 23 December, 2019 17:29
Just a thought, but when England had a Test team that was #1, or close to that for a time, during what part of the season were the CC matches played?

Right now, despite having the largest number of professional cricketers, (1) England are struggling to find two established openers, (2) have a captain whose batting form is being affected by him not being a very good captain, due to him not having much experience of that before he took the reins, (3) the only "new" find is Joe Denly, who learned his craft before the season was messed around, and who's been looked at in various formats for how long?
(4) the experiment of picking as many all rounders as possible, in the hope that one of them comes off on each or both suits has yet to pay off, ditto Buttler, (5) the only county that appears to foster spinners is Somerset, and they can't now risk doing that too enthusiastically now, (6) there are no obvious successors to JimmYanderson and Broad (7) the Kolpak issue has still not been addressed, and home grown players are kept out by Saffers.

How many of these issues might be better addressed if there was a robust CC, played in conditions equivalent to those of Test cricket that was dedicated to producing a better England Test team ?

Re: Ashley Giles in the Times
Seaxe_man1 08 January, 2020 12:39
Add to that. Giles I think has come out in favour of four day Tests. This I suspect primarily is to free up a further 7 days.

Resting players which the thick media thinks is the reason, are way off as usual.

The extras days will be likely be used for further expansion of the Blundred.

One would also have to wonder, the spinners role without a fifth day's wear and tear on the bowling track.

The Grocer had four day Tests on his shelves directly he took over in 2015, so one can expect the ECB to support that.

It has taken awhile for the Grocer to move his January Sale to his top shelf but he's getting there.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/01/2020 13:20 by Seaxe_man1.

Re: Ashley Giles in the Times
BeefyRoberts 08 January, 2020 13:14
Regarding 4 day tests....
It's only the two ecb clowns,few players who are still playing for England (not wanting to upset paymasters),some media fools who want 4 day tests.
Everyone else just isn't interested in the latest madcap idea from ICC (Idiots Controlling Cricket) and ECB (Exterminating Cricket Board).

Re: Ashley Giles in the Times
Seaxe_man1 09 January, 2020 09:23
A further point. One division 17 games. 3 more than allowed now. Or would we play 14 and not play 3 at all. Don't rule that out. Or revert to 3 days and play all . 51 days currently 56. Outgrounds could benefit from 17 games I suspect. They being the main beneficiaries provided played in July.


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