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Re: Happy Middlesex day
Bobstan 18 May, 2020 16:52
I think it is probably unwise to judge a PM on one issue.

Would I rather have the current incumbent in preference to any of the three 1960s PMs, Macmillan, Dougles-Home or Wilson? Don't be foolish.

Re: Happy Middlesex day
Seaxe_man1 18 May, 2020 20:00
Those three not alone, kicked started our troubles in the second half of the 20th century bigtime.

Re: Happy Middlesex day
adelaide 18 May, 2020 21:03
You've lost me. How did they do that, SM?


Adelaide

Re: Happy Middlesex day
Seaxe_man1 18 May, 2020 21:40
Would take too long. I will say the third bloke in creating British Leyland pretty much destroyed the British car industry at a stroke plus the jobs and skills associated.

Re: Happy Middlesex day
adelaide 18 May, 2020 22:42
You have to look further back. BL was a merger between Leyland (profitable) and the British Motor Corporation (supposedly on the point of collapse at the time). BMC was Austin, Morris, Riley, Wolseley and so on. The idea was that Leyland's expertise would reinvigorate BMC. Why was BMC in a mess? Probably through being stuck in the old "British way is best" past. Economists say that was widespread across the economy and the reason why the UK was lagging behind Continental rivals. The unions of the time did not help but maybe the intensely confrontational nature (from both sides) of industrial relations was another part of "the British way is best".

Wilson (and our old friend Tony Benn) was trying to sort out a mess which had been many years in the making. You could say that successive governments had failed to make reforms but the private sector companies have to take much of the blame for their own demise.

The UK's consistently sclerotic economy was of course one of the reasons why governments wanted to join the EEC as it then was.

On a lighter note, there is the old BL executive joke. "Bad news, we lose £100 on each car we make. Good news, we sold 10,000 more this year."

OK, how much further off topic can we go?


Adelaide

Re: Happy Middlesex day
Seaxe_man1 18 May, 2020 23:39
The first two were asociated with the wind of change. You need to check its blowing in the right direction though. Plus with their mate Horace embarked on their London takeover by abolishing Middlesex. The wind blew in the. wrong direction again. Wilson being Labour had their usual prescription, nationalisation. That was guaranteed to finish it off and did.. Sir Michael Edwards the last chairman. He also started the buying off the shelf, when cancelling TSR2, still with us today. From complete aircraft we are left with the wings. The EU.gulag. The euromark which has bankrupted Portugal, Spain, Italy and Greece but left Merkel sitting.pretty as was intended. Lob in the fishing industry and train construction and it was a really good idea.

Re: Happy Middlesex day
adelaide 19 May, 2020 01:36
The whole point about the the wind of change was that it was an external force - the inevitable process of decolonisation (which I presume you do not regret having happened). Arguably the UK as a whole (not just governments) failed to respond to other winds of change that were to leave Germany and Japan in the economic ascendancy. After all, we were British so we must be best.

Cutler did not become leader of the GLC until 1977. He was deputy leader earlier but his big thing (apart from being a "character") was selling off council houses and transferring the rest of the GLC stock to the boroughs, not transport. Cutler was the last leader of Middlesex CC so if he was instrumental in all this he was a turkey voting for Christmas!

The Royal Commission recommending the establishment of the GLC reported in 1960. Originally it was going to cover an even bigger area but Wikipedia reports that

"Some areas on the boundaries of the area recommended by the Herbert Commission, fearing increased local taxation, fought successfully not to come under the new Greater London Council, notably the urban districts of Chigwell in Essex; and Sunbury-on-Thames, Staines and Potters Bar in Middlesex. Other areas recommended for inclusion that were never part of Greater London included Epsom and Ewell, Caterham and Warlingham, Esher, and Weybridge."

Many county council responsibilities (e g education) were transferred to the new boroughs, so in that sense power was being devolved downwards. The GLC was meant to be a strategic authority; that was why Cutler wanted to get shot of all the ex-LCC housing to the boroughs, if he couldn't sell 'em.


Adelaide

Re: Happùy Middlesex day
Surbiton crusader2 20 May, 2020 19:18
Sorry to hijack this thread but what's all this political claptrap got to do with "happy Middlesex day???

SC2

Re: Happy Middlesex day
Seaxe_man1 20 May, 2020 20:56
I think it had something to do with the hijack of Middlesex in days of yore.

Re: Happy Middlesex day
adelaide 21 May, 2020 10:21
SC

It goes back to MCCC reproducing a handout on their website, effectively calling in aid the old canard that postal addresses were relevant. Which they aren't. People can believe what they like about whether Middlesex still exists and in which of its many forms but should not be basing their case on how it was convenient for a body to organise deliveries and collections.

The rest of it just spread out from there. Still, we have to do something during lockdown.


Adelaide

Re: Happy Middlesex day
freddie tittlemouse 21 May, 2020 12:56
According to google translation a canard is a duck. And that is very relevant to Middlesex batsmen.

Re: Happy Middlesex day
Seaxe_man1 21 May, 2020 13:37
Cricket and politics have long been bedfellows. In recent times the D'oliveira Affair. Rebel Tour etc. I assume SC2 doesn't consider that to be claptrap. The Greater London Council and the abolishment of the Middlesex Council to a fair minded person is politics pure and simple. This was recognised by the then membership of 1965 when a motion was raised to change our name to Greater London CC. This was kicked into touch thankfully.

Re: Happy Middlesex day
adelaide 21 May, 2020 15:57
That would have been interesting, SM, as it would have meant that the area the club was representing would have included The Oval!


Adelaide

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