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Re: Current Ex Middlesex X1
VincentVanDerVictory 16 August, 2020 13:05
Incorrect AGAIN Chunky both Higgins ( with bat and ball )and Podmore had more than clearly demonstrated when playing for the Middlesex first eleven with their figures that they were talented, effective players in first eleven championship.and one day matches.

Quality alrounders are a rare valuable species , so Middlesex should have been moving heaven and earth playing Higgins regularly
and it was clear that Higgins was and is more effective as an allrounder than James Harris then.and even more so now

Chris Wright is another who was foolishly let go by Middlesex.



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Re: Current Ex Middlesex X1
Seaxe_man1 16 August, 2020 13:10
His agent Adelaide would know.

Re: Current Ex Middlesex X1
Seaxe_man1 16 August, 2020 13:17
I believe Adelaide that Glaws became aware after the T20 knock that he was out of contract and looking at options. They themselves have lost a couple of players to Uncle Giles team recently. So up step George Scott and Tom Lace to fill the gaps in First Division. You maybe right that he was referring to the general more motivating atmosphere generated by their coaching staff.

Re: Current Ex Middlesex X1
chunkyinargyll 16 August, 2020 14:02
Chris Wright had a deeply unimpressive bowling average of 82 when we let him go.

It improved to 35 (still not good enough) for Essex, before finally dipping just below 30 or Warwickshire (okay, but no more than that)

[www.cricketarchive.com]

Taking his entire career in to account (all teams combined) he took his wickets at 32.96

[www.espncricinfo.com]

Far worse than Harris (around 29) and TRJ and Murtagh (around 25)

Re: Current Ex Middlesex X1
Seaxe_man1 16 August, 2020 14:52
CJC Wright left Mx in 2007 along with Chris Whelan. Whelan went to Worcs then disappeared. Wright went to Essex and at 8 hammered us all-round Chelmers for 73 not out and an unlikely victory which I saw. He then had a long spell at Warwick. Now at his fourth county Leicester, so not a bad career.

Re: Current Ex Middlesex X1
Seaxe_man1 16 August, 2020 14:52
CJC Wright left Mx in 2007 along with Chris Whelan. Whelan went to Worcs then disappeared. Wright went to Essex and at 8 hammered us all-round Chelmers for 73 not out and an unlikely victory which I saw. He then had a long spell at Warwick. Now at his fourth county Leicester, so not a bad career.

Re: Current Ex Middlesex X1
chunkyinargyll 16 August, 2020 15:14
S_M

The impression I have of Chris Wright is that he had 2 or 3 purple patches with Warwickshire, which at least means he has a bowling average of 32.96. Without then it would have been worse.

Forgot to add- Finn average 29 Helm 29.86

It feels like some people are really stretching a point to try to suggest every departure was a mistake.

You can't take maybe 3 good seasons in a 15 year career by Wright and use that as evidence we were 'wrong'.

One thing I would say- the club bends over backwards to be 'nice'

Nice in how we treat the players (we'll let you leave if you aren't in the starting XI for the first match)
Nice because we sponsor lots of good causes
Nice because we promote all forms of diversity
Nice because we promote cricket for all ages and ability throughout the county.

We're really, really nice.

The club makes a point of this (now I can see the forums on line) and of course it's nice to be nice.

But I do wonder if the committee are spending a bit too much time being nice, and not enough time working out how the first eleven wins games of cricket.

Somehow they seem to be taking this 'embrace everyone and everything' nice nice nice people attitude too far and consider that provided they've all be nice since they last met (sponsored a charity) then it's job done.

There you are- That'll probably provoke a few responses!

Re: Current Ex Middlesex X1
Seaxe_man1 16 August, 2020 16:24
Now you have raised an interesting point chunky. The Board (committee). Restructuring in 2009 and recently restructuring again reducing elected members from six to three. The rest are appointed. Now looking top heavy with unelected , bit like the House of Lords. All of this was supposed to power Mx forward. Little sign of that. The finance needs a major restructure, main source ECB and members subs. The fixtures seem always to be last minute decisions. So while being 'nice' I thought the Board's main responsibility is ensuring that the club is run professionally. Here and there that may have some brownie points but not across the board (pun).

Re: Current Ex Middlesex X1
snicko 16 August, 2020 17:28
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Re: Current Ex Middlesex X1
Jonathan Winsky 16 August, 2020 18:14
I think that Middlesex’s board see the performances of our men’s 1st XI as just one of many of their responsibilities, which means that even if the men’s 1st XI have a disappointing season, the board will argue that there is cause to say that it had been a good year in other regards. However, the performances of the men’s 1st XI is the issue that is of the greatest interest to many supporters. I am not sure how many other counties’ boards have a similar mindset.

One of the reasons why I wasn’t too disappointed about Harry Podmore’s departure after the 2017 season was because I was doubtful whether he would get much cricket had he continued at Middlesex, as our fast bowling department at the time included Tim Murtagh, James Fuller, former England players Steven Finn and Toby Roland-Jones, and two players who have come close to playing for England in James Harris and Tom Helm. Had all of those players bowled as well during the last three seasons as I was hopeful they would have, then Podmore would have been a bit-part player at Middlesex. I suppose my theory was that Podmore would be unlikely to ever be any better than a good county-level player, whereas Murtagh would do what he always does and Finn, TRJ, Harris and Helm would bowl like international-level players. In other words, my theory was that surely it would be better for Middlesex to have international-level players than county-level players, and surely it would therefore be better for Podmore to seek opportunities elsewhere. However, things have worked out differently in the last few years for some of those bowlers' careers.

Re: Current Ex Middlesex X1
chunkyinargyll 16 August, 2020 18:46
Fair assessment JW.

Sometimes letting someone go doesn't mean you don't think they have the ability to make it somewhere else.

Two things we couldn't have known when we let Poddy go-

1. TRJ would be out injured for the season 2 weeks later

2. Fuller would opt to leave at the end of the season.

It seemed fair enough at the time.

Some people should go on 'Mastermind'.

Specialist subject- Being wise after the event.

Re: Current Ex Middlesex X1
Fozzie 16 August, 2020 19:04
I think that's a fair assessment, Jonathan (though I don't think TRJ was considered a "former" England player at the time - he would have been in the touring party to Australia that winter had it not been for injury). With the benefit of hindsight we might feel that Tom Helm has not progressed as expected, and that we might have been better off keeping Podmore in his place - but I don't recall anyone suggesting that at the time.

Anyway, hopefully there are still some Surrey supporters beating themselves up over losing Murtagh all those years ago.

Re: Current Ex Middlesex X1
VincentVanDerVictory 16 August, 2020 19:50
I am new to this forum but considerably documented my disappointment and dismay at the time on other Middlesex CCC social media at Podmore.and especially Higgins leaving Middlesex CCC..

As I said at the time it was obvious it was going to be a huge
mistake letting Higgins a young talented allrounder go as Franklin was 37 and had just one final season in him and Harris was simply not quite good enough in batting to really be considered an allrounder as his stats continie to prove.

Re: Current Ex Middlesex X1
Seaxe_man1 16 August, 2020 20:19
Just goes to show JW. You can never be sure how things will turn out Since 2017 TRJ and Finn have picked up injuries and it's a stretch to say they are as good as they were. Murtagh still performs but at the wrong end of thirty. Downton made a shrewd signing and also took back Joe Denly whose career has revived despite Vaughan's observations. Kent are in ruder health than Mx right now.



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Re: Current Ex Middlesex X1
BarmierKev 16 August, 2020 20:41

Re: Current Ex Middlesex X1
dnb 17 August, 2020 07:45
Players such as Higgins, Podmore and most recently Lace all left Middlesex citing a lack of game time in the first team. In each case (Lace on loan) they have performed immediately elsewhere. Higgins has been virtually an ever present in all formats since he moved to Gloucestershire, he is now one of the leading all rounders in county cricket and helped his team to secure promotion in 2019. Podmore played a leading role in helping Kent secure promotion in 2018 and last season in Division 1 he took 52 wickets (=5th in the division). As I have said before last year Lace performed better than all current Middlesex batsmen whilst on loan at Derbyshire and even then he could not get a game when he started this season with Middlesex.

So you can call this being wise after the event but you can also call it Middlesex being poor at assessing and playing the young talent that they have available thereby “forcing“ players to go elsewhere to further their careers which, in these three cases, they have done. Middlesex need to improve significantly in this area...

Re: Current Ex Middlesex X1
Seaxe_man1 17 August, 2020 08:57
Fair summary dnb. Back in the days of yore, recruitment was in the hands of Mike Brearley. He recruited Edmonds, Emburey, van der Bijl and Downton. The then committee played no part. This they agreed to get him to return as Captain in similar dark days to now. Had an eye for a player. Not something you can detect in the 2009 regime.

Re: Current Ex Middlesex X1
Seaxe_man1 17 August, 2020 08:59
Plus I forgot. Alan Arthur Jones.

Re: Current Ex Middlesex X1
VincentVanDerVictory 17 August, 2020 10:17
PERFECT ANALYSIS dnb
( take note Chunky with your completely unfair criticisms of Lace etc )

The worrying aspect of this is Middlesex continuing to make these same mistakes year in year out.

It is bad practice bordering on sabotage of the clubs fortunes to continue to ' force' out certain young talented players Higgins Podmore, Lace by not assessing them properly and not playing them whilst continuing to back instead their ever underperforming favourites in particular Robson, Eskinazi.and others

As dnb said the likes of Higgins, Podmore and Lace.( at Derbyshire ) have immediately performed elsewhere and continue to outperform most of the Middlesex squad.

I would add that in the opportunities that Higgins and Podmore had.at Middlesex they more than demonstrated their ability, effectiveness and potential which is why so many Middlesex supporters at the time, I included, were incensed by the club not playing them.more leading to.them leaving the club



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Re: Current Ex Middlesex X1
Fozzie 17 August, 2020 10:44
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Seaxe_man1
Fair summary dnb. Back in the days of yore, recruitment was in the hands of Mike Brearley. He recruited Edmonds, Emburey, van der Bijl and Downton. The then committee played no part. This they agreed to get him to return as Captain in similar dark days to now. Had an eye for a player. Not something you can detect in the 2009 regime.

Not the case in respect of van der Bijl, SM, according to Mike Selvey in the August edition of The Cricketer. He says that Vincent was contacted and recruited by the committee without consulting Brearley. Of course, such lack of consultation might well continue to be an issue...

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