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Re: Email from our CEO...
BeefyRoberts 16 September, 2020 13:06
Do I need to repeat myself once again?
Even with the share out, it will not cover a refund by any county to each member.
Counties will still need membership payments to help survive.
Whatever the figure recieved by each county is, this isnt being introduced to refund memberships, it's a figure each county receives each year from the ECB.
The cost of refunds will still be a separate figure.
A figure each county cannot afford.

It's not rocket science.



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Re: Email from our CEO...
Seaxe_man1 17 September, 2020 09:33
To clarify. The ECB share guarantees nothing of course. That is the object of the 22nd September forum in our case. Counties with smaller memberships than Mx are in a more favourable position on this issue.

Re: Email from our CEO...
Seaxe_man1 17 September, 2020 09:42
Chunky. To clarify your earlier post. MCC members are not Mx members. However there is an option via Mx of joint membership. This is pretty much a donation since that isn't necessary to watch Mx at Lord's. When I became a full member of Mx back in 1973 there were about 1900 joint members the fee being two quid. So 3800 donation to Mx. That number when last shown in Accounts many moons ago was less than half that and the fee had increased. A request has been made to the hierarchy to reinstate that information. For one thing, it is a potential marketing tool. As I said before. Our tactics on finance in need of a overhaul.

Re: Email from our CEO...
Deckchair 18 September, 2020 18:08
Even before Covid the Counties cricket set up and finances were in a parlous and worrying decline. The Counties rely on ECB handouts, turnstile receipts and anything they can get from events, hospitality, marketing and media, and with an increasing decline in grassroots club cricket, fewer youngsters and adults playing the game and the media attraction for overseas and international cricket ODIs and T20s taking attention and interest away from the County game it seems unlikely that things will improve. Covid has just put the extra boot in, and will likely keep kicking for a season or two yet. Somewhere along the line, and relatively close, the ECB blazers will decide that their money is better spent in new initiatives, like the 100, or in a much reduced and focused County set up. Does having 18 Counties actually hinder cricket's survival and progress, rather than encourage it. The quality of cricket and its players will certainly benefit from having fewer first class teams. Ask Australia.

Re: Email from our CEO...
Seaxe_man1 18 September, 2020 19:27
Australia 6 teams and a population of around 23 million. England 18 teams and 50 odd million. On a prorata basis we are not a million miles apart from them.. Plus they have distance as a problem that we don't have. Another comparison. NZ. Population at a stretch 5 million and 6 teams and longer distances than England. Which confirms the saying ' figures can be made to prove whatever is wanted'. I agree with your otherpoint on finance. Counties and Middlesex in particular have lived a hand to mouth existence for years. The pandemic has underlined that. Time for a review.

Re: Email from our CEO...
Deckchair 20 September, 2020 18:45
Australia was in reference to the quality of cricket played and its players, not as a geo demographic equivalence. 18 counties employ 450 players and most will be journeymen and ballast with only a few at international potential levels. They all have to be paid however, even if the crowds are not turning out to watch them. And the stars of the side are never there (Any member seen Eoin swing the county bat lately?). The County scene is very overpopulated and is a poor quality product in the main, and it is very expensive to run. Something has got to give. It might be argued that Australia is in the same boat, but with only 6 first class teams employing around 200 cricketers at least the quality of the Australian cricket product and its players are higher. Any game between any of the 6 teams will have its stars and risers and baggy cap nudgers. Leicestershire against Northants does not lure with quite the same kind of fruit.

Re: Email from our CEO...
chunkyinargyll 20 September, 2020 19:22
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Deckchair
Leicestershire against Northants does not lure with quite the same kind of fruit.

Both have made it to the T20 quarter-finals.

Even if you went down to 8 teams, there would be two that have a poor season.

If you went down to 6 teams, the chances are at any given point in history one will be rebuilding, with untried, unknown players in the line up.

All you are doing by reducing teams is reducing opportunities.

With only six teams, would Walallawita and Holman have played any first team cricket yet?

Some have said this was our weakest side ever. What they really mean is 'inexperienced' which isn't the same thing at all. Everyone, including all time greats were 'inexperienced' when they started out.

Re: Email from our CEO...
Seaxe_man1 21 September, 2020 11:58
NZ have same number of teams and are competitive. Three or four would walk in the Australia side and the same number in their squad. Could be you are overrating Australia. After Smith, who is their star batsman? Strong in pace and good fielders. Who replaces Nathan Lyon? England always an easy target. This six team lark is backed by vested interests like Sky and its employees. Devon currently and before provide first class players. Scrap Somerset and Glaws, next stop Warwickshire. Would they bother. Doubt it on time and cost to their parents ferrying them back and forth. The departing Australian coach of Sussex Jason Gillespie had a more positive view of county cricket. In his view as good as or better than Sheffield Shield. Since he has sampled both. I guess he may have point. Similar thoughts were made by Justin Langer.



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