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Re: Essex v Middlesex, 6-9 September
adelaide 09 September, 2020 11:17
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VincentVanDerVictory
No one is bemoaning the loss of George Scott

They will be if he does well.

Hindsight is wonderful and I do think it has a part to play in the latter day lionisation of Podmore. I suspect that in order to keep Podmore we would have ended up sidelining Murtagh, who as you point out remains our best bowler by a long way. If we had played both then that would have stymied Helm's development etc. etc...

Higgins's excellent bowling average this season, his less than stellar batting average and the failure of any Glos batsman to average over 30 are probably all related to the helpfulness of the pitches. He is the one that most of us are sorry to lose. It did seem that an unnecessary situation was allowed to develop, possibly with fault on both sides. I certainly was disappointed at the time but I didn't expect him to develop to the extent that he regularly opens the bowling!


Adelaide

Re: Essex v Middlesex, 6-9 September
Seaxe_man1 09 September, 2020 11:48
A fair post Adelaide. Imho the retention of James Franklin for a further year for sentimental reasons effectively reduced Higgins to the sidelines and set the turnstile clicking for Podders. With the wisdom of hindsight always the best, events suggest that the then coach was into snap decisions. Not good in that job imho as a more measured approach generally proves better. He was known not to have rated either player. Like footie teams who persist with flogging their best players. Past events have caught up with Middlesex. Costs are put forward. The Academy is a cost and therefore time and money was wasted. The Academy does a good job. Problems appear to be above that level.

Re: Essex v Middlesex, 6-9 September
chunkyinargyll 09 September, 2020 13:57
Higgins bowling average of 23 would have put him 4th in our bowling averages (in fact 5th if you include the anomaly of Sam Robson) so that would be okay, but not a better average than Murtagh, Andersson and Cummins.

Andersson the chief beneficiary as he can be considered a proper all rounder, replacing Higgins in the side (after we wasted most of last season persevering with Scott) and out batting and out bowling Higgins this term. Higgins still here- no chance for Andersson. One goes- a chance for the next person.

Re: Essex v Middlesex, 6-9 September
Seaxe_man1 09 September, 2020 14:38
Not comparing like with like different group. Howsa about comparing averages in our group. Your managerial defence of obvious management mistakes does you proud chunky. Should be on the Board.

Re: Essex v Middlesex, 6-9 September
VincentVanDerVictory 09 September, 2020 14:53
Chunky

It is laughable bordering on incredulous for you to suggest that there would be' no chance for Andersson if Higgins was still here' .

Higgins has become a front line opening bowler and having 2 so called allrounders bowlers who can bat in a team strengthens it.

A bowling unit of Murtagh,Higgins ,Cummins and Andersson plus a spinner would have far more superior wicket taking options.

Given.that Murtagh can't go on forever, TRJ is forever injured for entire seasons and Harris is far more off form and expensive than on form you don't let go of reliably good wicket taking bowlers/ players as Middlesex foolishly continue to do with their warped illogical reasoning.

There is absolutely no reason why Andersson and Higgins could not coexist in the same team and it would be absolute nonsense to suggest otherwise.

Gloucestershire for example select both Higgins and Scott both so called allrounders regularly together in their side. These players bat at 6,7 or 8 and Gloucestershire have outperformed and enjoyed far more successful results than Middlesex in recent seasons with their progressive team selections!!



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 09/09/2020 15:12 by VincentVanDerVictory.

Re: Essex v Middlesex, 6-9 September
Seaxe_man1 09 September, 2020 16:24
Essex Somerset BWT Final. Strongest teams prevailed despite all the media hype especially as expected from Atherton. The long supporter of six teams, ten games and au revoir to the dirty dozen.

Re: Essex v Middlesex, 6-9 September
adelaide 09 September, 2020 18:40
Just listening to the climax of the Glammy match.

According to the commentator, Michael Hogan has never been out lbw in his career! What a lovely way of conveying Hogan's modus operandi with the bat. You wouldn't have got that from Bob Hunt.

Thankfully he was not out lbw, or indeed out at all. If he had got out, I would have liked it to be a catch by the retiring Ian Bell.

The other point that came over was - here we were, absolutely nothing riding on it and two teams trying their hardest to win (or draw) the match.


Adelaide

Re: Essex v Middlesex, 6-9 September
Jonathan Winsky 09 September, 2020 19:03
Stuart Law has spoken to Middlesex’s YouTube page about our Bob Willis Trophy campaign. Similar to what Stevie Eskinazi said, Law hints that there could be changes made to our squad during the close-season.


Re: Essex v Middlesex, 6-9 September
freddie tittlemouse 09 September, 2020 21:28
There is no logic in suggesting that having Higgins would have blighted Andersson's opportunities any more than having Harris would have blighted Andersson's opportunities. Andersson is quite capable of supplanting Harris, who has not bowled well for some time.

Re: Essex v Middlesex, 6-9 September
chunkyinargyll 09 September, 2020 21:52
The thing I don't get is that people were telling me Higgins, Scott and Lace all absconded to Gloucestershire because the coaching was better.

But if they have been playing on roads the batting averages should be better, or if it's seam friendly pitches then the bowling averages should be better, but neither batting or bowling averages are impressive. Some bowlers did okay, but only two averaged under 30 a wicket, with third place on exactly 30, and fourth place averaging 41.

Re: Essex v Middlesex, 6-9 September
VincentVanDerVictory 10 September, 2020 09:53
Chunky.
Your.reasoning as to why they ' absconded ' is off and dances around the obvious and probably only reason they actually left.

Higgins,Lace.and Scott left Middlesex because understandably they were frustrated at not being picked for the Middlesex red ball first team something that Gloucestershire evidently could offer them as each of them are first team regulars at Gloucestershire.

Freddie hear hear.absolutely spot on

Re: Essex v Middlesex, 6-9 September
Seaxe_man1 10 September, 2020 10:17
You are suggesting chunky all is well on board the goodship Middlesexshire. She looks a bit more like the Marie Celeste at the moment.

Re: Essex v Middlesex, 6-9 September
freddie tittlemouse 10 September, 2020 14:05
It must be magic mushroom harvest season in Argyll.

Re: Essex v Middlesex, 6-9 September
chunkyinargyll 10 September, 2020 14:10
Debate properly or don't bother.

Re: Essex v Middlesex, 6-9 September
Seaxe_man1 10 September, 2020 14:28
Those that left pre Stuart Law, did so, because the then coaches didn't rate them. Their progress since suggests poor judgement. Can you not accept that chunky. As it is, it has left Middlesex poorer for it. The backlash to those events led to the agent for Lace entering the release clause which was agreed by the Middlesex contract negotiators. He, the agent, then insisted on that clause being triggered. Embarrassing all round.

Re: Essex v Middlesex, 6-9 September
chunkyinargyll 10 September, 2020 14:38
I'm not sure if Lace's agents name is public knowledge, but whoever he is, it seems he has a reputation for moving his players around like chess pieces, as every move makes him more money.

David Fulton made that point regularly during our game against Kent and seemed to be implying Lace's agent was well known for it.

An agent might not always have his clients best interests at heart. Just needs the money.

Re: Essex v Middlesex, 6-9 September
snicko 10 September, 2020 15:42
Phil Weston - TLA Cricket. (Ex. Derbyshire/ Gloucs / Worcestershire opening bat).

Interesting to note that Messrs Sowter and Eskinazi are also part of his stable, as well as Mr Higgins . Looking at the complete list of players represented by this agency shows that about half of them have moved counties in the last couple of years.

Re: Essex v Middlesex, 6-9 September
adelaide 10 September, 2020 16:04
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freddie tittlemouse
There is no logic in suggesting that having Higgins would have blighted Andersson's opportunities any more than having Harris would have blighted Andersson's opportunities. Andersson is quite capable of supplanting Harris, who has not bowled well for some time.

Wouldn't the same argument apply, that there is no logic in suggesting that having Franklin blighted Higgins?


Adelaide

Re: Essex v Middlesex, 6-9 September
chunkyinargyll 10 September, 2020 16:18
Quote:
snicko
Phil Weston - TLA Cricket. (Ex. Derbyshire/ Gloucs / Worcestershire opening bat).
Interesting to note that Messrs Sowter and Eskinazi are also part of his stable, as well as Mr Higgins . Looking at the complete list of players represented by this agency shows that about half of them have moved counties in the last couple of years.

Phil Weston-

Agent to the stars-





and Hilton Cartwright.

(Sm159)

Re: Essex v Middlesex, 6-9 September
Seaxe_man1 10 September, 2020 19:20
According to Mike Selvey. That agent is very aggressive.

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