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Ball tampering
Discussion started by Fozzie , 06 September, 2020 15:47
Ball tampering
Fozzie 06 September, 2020 15:47
Last month Mitch Claydon of Sussex took 3 wickets in their defeat against us at Radlett. He's now been suspended pending an investigation by the ECB into an allegation that he used hand sanitiser on the ball.

Just as well we didn't lose...

Re: Ball tampering
chunkyinargyll 06 September, 2020 16:01
That's interesting.

A couple of times I saw him put his hand down the front of his trousers, so if he had a damp rag of sanitiser secured on the inside of his trousers then that is what he was up to.

Edit to add a bit more-

I wish I'd posted something on the match thread at the time, but it was so obvious I decided I must be wrong.

But if I spotted it I'm sure others will too.

I suppose the Middlesex support staff could hardly run on the field and demand he drop his trousers in front of the umpire in full public gaze, so I guess there is a correct way to make the complaint.

He put his hand down the front of his trousers in the same way a batsman adjusting his box would do.

But, umm, nothing down there to adjust if you're bowling.

Odd that it's taken several weeks for the allagation and suspension to be made public.



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Re: Ball tampering
Fozzie 06 September, 2020 17:03
Quote:
chunkyinargyll

He put his hand down the front of his trousers in the same way a batsman adjusting his box would do.

But, umm, nothing down there to adjust if you're bowling.

Ball tampering in every sense!

Re: Ball tampering
Primrose Hillbilly 19 September, 2020 11:53
No one ever 'fessed up to the incident that ultimately saw Surrey docked points for ball tampering, in a season which saw them relegated.

However, when I announced the point docking news to a colleague, he immediately said, "That'll be Mo' Akram", who was actually playing that match.

In previous seasons he had been the Fives and Heronians overseas pro in the Essex League, and never liked to take the new ball, always preferring one with a bit of "work" on it already. My mate was in the best position in the house to see the results of his alleged handiwork, as he was the keeper.

Re: Ball tampering
Jonathan Winsky 01 October, 2020 18:36
ECB have clearly seen this as a serious offence, as Mitchell Claydon has been issued with a nine-match suspension. However, as he has already served a six-match suspension imposed by Sussex, it meant that he is only required to miss three further matches.

Re: Ball tampering
chunkyinargyll 14 October, 2020 17:56
[www.thecricketer.com]

Sussex deducted 24 points.

However, as it is for the season just gone rather than next year, rather meaningless.

Re: Ball tampering
adelaide 14 October, 2020 19:00
Some inconsistency here with the way Somerset's penalty was carried over?

What would have happened if Sussex had qualified for the final?


Adelaide

Re: Ball tampering
chunkyinargyll 15 October, 2020 08:30
Full judgement here-

[resources.ecb.co.uk]

To confirm- 24 point penalty, bringing Sussex down to a final total of 12 points for the competition.

No points penalty carried over to next season.

Re: Ball tampering
VincentVanDerVictory 15 October, 2020 11:26
Meaningless pointless pathetic" punishment" ; points deduction should be carried over to next season

Re: Ball tampering
BeefyRoberts 15 October, 2020 12:54
After a game that Sussex lost, and season has obviously finished, they get the points deducted. Why? What's the point?
Somerset points deduction was for the next season, but, those were deferred even more until now, 2021 season? Sussex should follow same route, not as if having 24 points deducted now will do anything.
More of left and right hand not knowing what is doing what at the ecb.

Re: Ball tampering
chunkyinargyll 15 October, 2020 13:37
Now we know what we are looking for (between 47th and 48th over on 23rd August) I tried to find it on youtube.

At first I thought I might be in business, because it is possible to find the first two hours of the day on you tube, as well as days 2 and 3 in full, but whether by accident or design it looks like the relevant passage of play is missing.

Often you would have to retune if youtube went down, so some days are split in to two or more sections and unfortunately this seems to be one of them.

Sussex supporters seem to be unanimous they want Claydon gone.

Considering he is 38 and basically an Aussie Dave Podmore journeyman, I'm surprised he hasn't already been given his marching orders.

Re: Ball tampering
chunkyinargyll 15 October, 2020 17:43
Just realised-

23rd August was day 2, so have found the right youtube link- but I can't see anything odd at 48 overs (just after 50 minutes in).

Mind you- John Simpson was out to Claydon for 48 just 5 minutes after the sanitiser break!

Is our system sophisticated enough to record all cameras (not just the one selected at the time?)

Anyway- this is the right link. If I spot something later on I'll let you know!

[www.youtube.com]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 15/10/2020 17:47 by chunkyinargyll.

Re: Ball tampering
chunkyinargyll 15 October, 2020 20:00
Well that's odd, because I've been through it all now and I can't find what I thought I remembered seeing in post 2, so could I be getting mixed up with a game the week before or after.

I don't think so, but it's time consuming trying to go through hours of coverage trying to spot something.

One thing I will say about the sanitiser break- although the superimposed scorecard means we can't really see what was going on, we can see enough to know nearly all the Sussex team were together during the break, so if it really was as straightforward as Claydon putting the sanitiser straight from the bottle on to the ball then it's hard to see how his teammates didn't notice.

I mean, the object of hand sanitiser is to put it on your hands. Are you then meant to dry your hands thoroughly on a towel, because if you put a massive dollop of sanitiser on your hands and then you just happen to be bowling the next over, are you actually doing anything wrong if your hands are still sticky with the gel and therefore some gets transferred to the ball?

Clearly something was wrong, because Claydon was shown video footage that meant he had no choice but to change his plea to 'Guilty'.


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